and then tell me what the heck this thing does? it basically networks with other machines like itself, and then it does... nothing! no hint as to how it will help children. its got more marketing fluff than a white house press conference.
let's be honest, MIT is throwing these things out there with hopes that someone will figure out the killer app for them. they remind me of the HP-95x: a whiz-bang DOS machine that ran on 2AA batteries, and it bombed. if this thing is designed to surf the web and do email, then why not go with a cheaper cell phone technology like southeast asia? what is it supposed to do?
Excluding the fab, it takes an enormous amount of design and layout effort to go from RTL to masks. SparcT1 is not a purely synthesized design. Even if it were, the tuning required to make synth work is a nontrivial effort requiring a significant tool foundry.
I suppose that once we have open source versions of: schematic capture, synthesis, floorplanning, layout, timing, validation, and mask generation, then we can focus on an open source process and an open source fab. Not bloody likely!!!
I think the biggest benefit here is that now both hackers and Universities now have a REAL architecture to study in their classrooms. I'll definitely be on the prowl for resumes of students who studied real microprocessor Verilog in college, and not simple ISCAS circuits or architectures from the 1980's.
Seriously, it will now be a race to the bottom: who can get the lowest power.
Only 0.0001% of the market (ie. the spokesniffer/. propeller-beanie crowd) cares about the 10 pages of performance data. Compared to 1 page of power data (and PLATFORM power at that), it shows the general ignorance of the pundits when talking about the future. That's why Steve Jobs was all over power a few months ago.
I'm gonna wear 3-piece tweed suits with a bowler and a handlebar moustache to work every day!
Just like physicists in the early 1900's. Seriously, ever seen how neatly employees at Bell Labs, Bayer, IBM and other famous places dressed back then?
(This coming from a person who's summer wardrobe consists of 18 black Haynes t-shirts from WalMart.)
"Of the chip makers, Intel Corp. microprocessors were used in a total of 333 systems, with 81 using the company's EM64T technology. IBM chips are in second place, with its Power microprocessors at the heart of 73 systems.
"Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s Opteron chips were used in 55 systems, up from 25 six months ago"
Wow, seems Intel is still 6x AMD market share.
Go AMD! Milk that NexGen core for all its worth, too bad you didn't invent it, you just bought it. It would be nice if you would start innovating one of these days.
Dude, then why can I plug about 50 different video cards into apple that aren't made by apple? There are plenty of 3rd part OEM hardware for apple. It is a myth that apple makes all the apple hardware in the world.
I think that's a dangerous culture to cultivate in an IT universe.
Oh Jeez, get over yourself.
You've completely ignored the subtleties of a choice made by an intelligent mind when presented with different ways to do things. I find it fascinating he went right to the GUI and started developing code that way. Instead, you're peeved he didn't start figuring out what include files to use to do a printf() to a console.
Maybe the path he blazes will be the next paradigm. History is full of people making huge leaps in technology by finding easier ways to do things that interested them, but were against the norm.
Viewed from this perspective, I think you should step off and let him learn what he wants how he wants, and not in a way that pleases you.
Except AMD would be completely obliterated in the perf/watt benchmark in the vast majority of the market. Just look at Intel's new cores they released.
AMD knows better. They don't brag where they can't.
I could see if this article was from a print magazine that needed to fill space, so they trot out an ancient story and re-run it. But (a) it is an online publication, and (b) there isn't a single recent example? What a waste of bits. Did their automatic modperl content filler accidentally compute the wrong date or something?
That article you posted was pathetically weak. If it wasn't for your resume, I'd have assumed you were ~15 years old.
You're going to need more experience before you can back up that claim. There's an excellent post in this discussion that exactly counters your statement, with far more intelligent proof.
Why didn't this guy just get a cappucino? They are exactly what he's looking for but come with Intel processors, and the chassis is smaller than his. Ok, there's a fan inside, but it seems like he gave up a lot. Hmmm...
Look, 10 years ago in '95, Jobs was behind the campaign that promised the new PPC machines were 100x faster than Intel. Remember? He compared SpecINT running a 486 to the latest PPC (or was it a 486 compiled binary, I forget.) Point is: Jobs knows the marketing game, and for him to work with a company he tried to beat in the numbers game means he can TRULY see through the bullshit that other makers... *dell* **cough cough** cannot.
I know y'all hate Intel, but maybe, just maybe, they got something right and Jobs can smell it.
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seriously: go to this website
http://laptop.media.mit.edu/faq.html
and then tell me what the heck this thing does? it basically networks with other machines like itself, and then it does... nothing! no hint as to how it will help children. its got more marketing fluff than a white house press conference.
let's be honest, MIT is throwing these things out there with hopes that someone will figure out the killer app for them. they remind me of the HP-95x: a whiz-bang DOS machine that ran on 2AA batteries, and it bombed. if this thing is designed to surf the web and do email, then why not go with a cheaper cell phone technology like southeast asia? what is it supposed to do?
Excluding the fab, it takes an enormous amount of design and layout effort to go from RTL to masks. SparcT1 is not a purely synthesized design. Even if it were, the tuning required to make synth work is a nontrivial effort requiring a significant tool foundry.
I suppose that once we have open source versions of: schematic capture, synthesis, floorplanning, layout, timing, validation, and mask generation, then we can focus on an open source process and an open source fab. Not bloody likely!!!
I think the biggest benefit here is that now both hackers and Universities now have a REAL architecture to study in their classrooms. I'll definitely be on the prowl for resumes of students who studied real microprocessor Verilog in college, and not simple ISCAS circuits or architectures from the 1980's.
I'm sort of with you on #2 without the profanity, but #1 just shows you didn't do so well in first year Western Philosophy.
Did anyone else catch the fact that this poster just compared the WikiPedia to the Bible and Plato's writings?
ROTFL.
Performance is dead.
/. propeller-beanie crowd) cares about the 10 pages of performance data. Compared to 1 page of power data (and PLATFORM power at that), it shows the general ignorance of the pundits when talking about the future. That's why Steve Jobs was all over power a few months ago.
Power is king.
Long live power.
Seriously, it will now be a race to the bottom: who can get the lowest power.
Only 0.0001% of the market (ie. the spokesniffer
I'm gonna wear 3-piece tweed suits with a bowler and a handlebar moustache to work every day!
Just like physicists in the early 1900's. Seriously, ever seen how neatly employees at Bell Labs, Bayer, IBM and other famous places dressed back then?
(This coming from a person who's summer wardrobe consists of 18 black Haynes t-shirts from WalMart.)
Or you could read some facts at this article
Quoth TFA:
"Of the chip makers, Intel Corp. microprocessors were used in a total of 333 systems, with 81 using the company's EM64T technology. IBM chips are in second place, with its Power microprocessors at the heart of 73 systems.
"Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s Opteron chips were used in 55 systems, up from 25 six months ago"
Wow, seems Intel is still 6x AMD market share.
Go AMD! Milk that NexGen core for all its worth, too bad you didn't invent it, you just bought it. It would be nice if you would start innovating one of these days.
Don't forget interstate freeways!
Dude, then why can I plug about 50 different video cards into apple that aren't made by apple? There are plenty of 3rd part OEM hardware for apple. It is a myth that apple makes all the apple hardware in the world.
As far as I know, nobody has actually refuted "Darwin's Black Box" by Michael Behe.
Maybe you should actually do something called RESEARCH, using a crazy new thing called the INTERNET (or does ID proclaim GOOGLE doesn't exist?):
Here, try THIS ARTICLE.
I think that's a dangerous culture to cultivate in an IT universe.
Oh Jeez, get over yourself.
You've completely ignored the subtleties of a choice made by an intelligent mind when presented with different ways to do things. I find it fascinating he went right to the GUI and started developing code that way. Instead, you're peeved he didn't start figuring out what include files to use to do a printf() to a console.
Maybe the path he blazes will be the next paradigm. History is full of people making huge leaps in technology by finding easier ways to do things that interested them, but were against the norm.
Viewed from this perspective, I think you should step off and let him learn what he wants how he wants, and not in a way that pleases you.
Somebody please show Petzold how to write an abstract.
Any metric involving "how much work you do" and includes development time is worthy of a slap to the head with yardstick.
Talking energy, yes P4 energy usage sucks ass.
Now try doing any of benchmark with a Centrino. Now try one of the new dual core centrinos.
Still want to talk about energy?
Didn't think so.
LOL! Oh the irony.
I wonder if you can make cool origami out of it?
Think about that for a second. Pretty cool.
Dude, this is an ANTI-INTEL website. They'd never post stuff that makes their darlin' AMD look like a pile of puke.
Except AMD would be completely obliterated in the perf/watt benchmark in the vast majority of the market. Just look at Intel's new cores they released.
AMD knows better. They don't brag where they can't.
I could see if this article was from a print magazine that needed to fill space, so they trot out an ancient story and re-run it. But (a) it is an online publication, and (b) there isn't a single recent example? What a waste of bits. Did their automatic modperl content filler accidentally compute the wrong date or something?
I sure hope it doesn't operate like any of the "Symbians" I've seen on usenet...
Ring Ring
Yeeeeouch!
Ring Ring
Yeeeeouch!
That article you posted was pathetically weak. If it wasn't for your resume, I'd have assumed you were ~15 years old.
You're going to need more experience before you can back up that claim. There's an excellent post in this discussion that exactly counters your statement, with far more intelligent proof.
Why didn't this guy just get a cappucino? They are exactly what he's looking for but come with Intel processors, and the chassis is smaller than his. Ok, there's a fan inside, but it seems like he gave up a lot. Hmmm...
what's the best card reader to buy?
sounds nice: USB interface to Excel upload... cool.
To make some of you whiners happy, the BYTEmark fiasco happened in 1998, under Jobs' command, so he can be blamed:
c _Benchmarks.html ...and not in 1995.
http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/features/3631/iMa
err, umm, dude... that's why i said "I'm not sure"... umm, err... umm... gee... your reply is so relevant to the point.
Look, 10 years ago in '95, Jobs was behind the campaign that promised the new PPC machines were 100x faster than Intel. Remember? He compared SpecINT running a 486 to the latest PPC (or was it a 486 compiled binary, I forget.) Point is: Jobs knows the marketing game, and for him to work with a company he tried to beat in the numbers game means he can TRULY see through the bullshit that other makers ... *dell* **cough cough** cannot.
I know y'all hate Intel, but maybe, just maybe, they got something right and Jobs can smell it.