Yes it is, unless I'm much mistaken all GPL software is copyrighted, just under the GPL. Otherwise if there is no copyright, anyone could take GPL software, and make it non-free. The copyright is what is needed to make the GPL enforceable. So while I can't be sure they will, it is conceivable that red hat will use this to GPL those techniques, giving free software a boost not available to non-free software.
Just wait until someone at the local university decides it's really hilarious to use the uni connection to send to 50Gb, especially on a pay-per-mb system. The several hundred dollar internet bill will really send you nuts.
Exactly! I would be 100% fine with this idea if only the soft limit wasn't so absurd. 28kbps basically means you can't do a thing for the rest of the month, not so much as play a game, or browse at a really bearable speed. IMHO make it 64kbps. Very slow by today's broadband standards, but still just a touch better than a modem, and enough to give you the ability to do most things you are likely to want to, just not leech 500gb of pron.
3gb "soft cap" - fine 28kbps - what is this? 1996?
Need I point out the incredible irony in your sig? Right after your post about how bandwidth is so expensive and should be paid per-mb we have "Don't sweat it -- it's only 1's and 0's". Completely O/T, but amusing.
There is no "the other telco". The other telco is Telstra, which is notorious for an absolute lack of quality or value. It was offering a 3gb service for about $90/month even back when optus was doing its semi-unlimited service at $75. Quite simply, there isn't too much competition in our marketplace, all the infrastructure is in the hands of a few, so there is no other telco to go to.
Well, actually, to quote the page on which Optus are announcing this (http://www.optus.net.au/Vign/ViewMgmt/display/0,2 627,1031_26119-3_25746--View_303,00.html)
"In practice the speed will be limited to a data speed ranging between 20kbps and 28.8kbps"
So it's even slower than that much of the time. Does anyone else find something hideously wrong with a cable service half the speed of a modem, and advertised as such?
Yeah, though people on the netstats system will lose out too. When the usage becomes capped like this, you can obviously expect the average usage to fall dramatically, affecting the netstats figures quite a bit too.
Not to mention we'll finally be able to ditch X on the desktop for the framebuffer without losing OpenGL support, and let X do what it was meant to do: thin clients and network terminals.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that require a massive rewriting of all the window managers etc, simply because you don't like a highly featured standard?
IANAL (but IAAL student), and as far as I can see, there is no need for substantive damages like that anyway. Unless I'm much mistaken, it's quite a well settled point that in the tresspass torts, they are actionable per se, no damages at all need be demonstrated to be successful (though that can mean the end payout isn't huge). So while my opinion is hardly an expert one, I'm pretty sure intel have a good footing as far as the lack of a need of damages is concerned.
If they wanted to do that, then LGPL wasn't the best idea. One of the other proposed licences was a time-delayed GPL, which IMHO would have been much better. Basically, a developer could use all the wine code, as long as they released their additions within a certain amount of time. That way developers like transgaming could still make money from it, but had to give back their code in the end. What was wrong with that?
You guys clearly haven't played Aliens vs Predator. Holy Cr@p is that game scary! Play the marine, and the first alien you meet will scare the hell out of you. You suddenly see a blip getting closer and closer on your motion detector, then suddenly this thing is running at you! I backpedalled like crazy and jumped right off a building. Then I washed my undies and went back for more. It is so incredibly scary, no game I have every played at all has come even close.
On what basis do you say that they can apply to anyone, for any reason, on the merest whim? I'm not talking about "it could be if they went off on a personal vendetta and abused it", but what actually legally seperates it from another such listening device? I haven't heard of any such provision until now, so I'm open to any further information.
Oh my god! A criminal can't find out he's under surveillance? It's an atrocity!
Seriously, the whole idea of this sort of thing is to find out what's happening without the guy knowing, is that so unreasonable, as long as it's with just cause? I mean, sure, someone COULD misuse it, but I doubt there's a thing in the world which can't be misused anyway, so it is hardly a conclusive rebuttal.
Carnivor cannot catch real terrorists. There is no way that is possible - the various encryption techniques can encrypt unbreakably and disguise the fact that any encryption is going on. Programs to do this are free (both meanings). Any real terrorist or anyone with any real degree of malice or danger would encrpt their communciations in such a way that breaking them takes more time than the FBI can afford to spend... say, 10,000,000 years.
While I'd agree most would be intelligent enough to do so, one should also never underestimate the stupidity of criminals, or people in general. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if many did send things in the open.
Well, as an Australian I think you'd hate it over here. We allow knife searches based on suspicion, and various limitations on our freedoms which Americans would never dream of. It's not that we are oppressed, it's just the way we like to live, even if you disagree.
Though have you considered that you may be acting a bit paranoid? I mean, really, you seem to be (along with most of Carnivore's opponents) assuming the very worst, without any firm evidence to do so. How about giving things a chance before passing judgement?
In other words, no matter what they do you're assuming the most paranoid interpretation? Whether they have carnivore as it is, or take steps to ensure it works only as intended, you consider both to be sure signs of a conspiracy. Somewhat of a catch-22?
Slashdot moderation at work! All you need to do is make a totally content-free paranoid libertarian post, and it's an instant +5.
Do you have the slightest thing to say on topic, or are you just taking any chance to rant? Seriously, I think you need to take off the tin-foil hat for once. Do we oppose phone taps on the grounds that if they really really wanted to, the FBI could tap everyone's phone? No! "Carnivore" is just phone tap for email with a catchy name, nothing more, which for no particular reason has turned into a lightning rod for every paranoid conspiracy out there.
(and just watch me get moderated "-2, Dissenting Opinion" for saying it too)
Then can he sue HG Wells' descendants on the grounds that he ripped him off for his time travel book? Better yet, can I go back in time with a copy of windows, copyright it before it is written, then put M$ out of business for copyright infringement?
It's http://lhl.linuxgames.com and I can personally testify HL works great, I play it online through linux all the time. Of course it's about 30% slower by my estimate, but for most people with decent hardware that should be fine.
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Yes it is, unless I'm much mistaken all GPL software is copyrighted, just under the GPL. Otherwise if there is no copyright, anyone could take GPL software, and make it non-free. The copyright is what is needed to make the GPL enforceable. So while I can't be sure they will, it is conceivable that red hat will use this to GPL those techniques, giving free software a boost not available to non-free software.
It wasn't the US as a country, it was Al Gore who invented the internet wasn't it? :)
Just wait until someone at the local university decides it's really hilarious to use the uni connection to send to 50Gb, especially on a pay-per-mb system. The several hundred dollar internet bill will really send you nuts.
Exactly! I would be 100% fine with this idea if only the soft limit wasn't so absurd. 28kbps basically means you can't do a thing for the rest of the month, not so much as play a game, or browse at a really bearable speed. IMHO make it 64kbps. Very slow by today's broadband standards, but still just a touch better than a modem, and enough to give you the ability to do most things you are likely to want to, just not leech 500gb of pron.
3gb "soft cap" - fine
28kbps - what is this? 1996?
Need I point out the incredible irony in your sig? Right after your post about how bandwidth is so expensive and should be paid per-mb we have "Don't sweat it -- it's only 1's and 0's". Completely O/T, but amusing.
There is no "the other telco". The other telco is Telstra, which is notorious for an absolute lack of quality or value. It was offering a 3gb service for about $90/month even back when optus was doing its semi-unlimited service at $75. Quite simply, there isn't too much competition in our marketplace, all the infrastructure is in the hands of a few, so there is no other telco to go to.
It is gigabytes, not gigabits. If it was gigabits the headline would have been "Optus Executives in Hostage Siege".
Well, actually, to quote the page on which Optus are announcing this (http://www.optus.net.au/Vign/ViewMgmt/display/0,2 627,1031_26119-3_25746--View_303,00.html)
"In practice the speed will be limited to a data speed ranging between 20kbps and 28.8kbps"
So it's even slower than that much of the time. Does anyone else find something hideously wrong with a cable service half the speed of a modem, and advertised as such?
Yeah, though people on the netstats system will lose out too. When the usage becomes capped like this, you can obviously expect the average usage to fall dramatically, affecting the netstats figures quite a bit too.
Not to mention we'll finally be able to ditch X on the desktop for the framebuffer without losing OpenGL support, and let X do what it was meant to do: thin clients and network terminals.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that require a massive rewriting of all the window managers etc, simply because you don't like a highly featured standard?
IANAL (but IAAL student), and as far as I can see, there is no need for substantive damages like that anyway. Unless I'm much mistaken, it's quite a well settled point that in the tresspass torts, they are actionable per se, no damages at all need be demonstrated to be successful (though that can mean the end payout isn't huge). So while my opinion is hardly an expert one, I'm pretty sure intel have a good footing as far as the lack of a need of damages is concerned.
If they wanted to do that, then LGPL wasn't the best idea. One of the other proposed licences was a time-delayed GPL, which IMHO would have been much better. Basically, a developer could use all the wine code, as long as they released their additions within a certain amount of time. That way developers like transgaming could still make money from it, but had to give back their code in the end. What was wrong with that?
You guys clearly haven't played Aliens vs Predator. Holy Cr@p is that game scary! Play the marine, and the first alien you meet will scare the hell out of you. You suddenly see a blip getting closer and closer on your motion detector, then suddenly this thing is running at you! I backpedalled like crazy and jumped right off a building. Then I washed my undies and went back for more. It is so incredibly scary, no game I have every played at all has come even close.
followed by our month-long epic "World's Greatest Blue Screens of Death"...
(hey, relevant enough for windows gaming)
On what basis do you say that they can apply to anyone, for any reason, on the merest whim? I'm not talking about "it could be if they went off on a personal vendetta and abused it", but what actually legally seperates it from another such listening device? I haven't heard of any such provision until now, so I'm open to any further information.
Oh my god! A criminal can't find out he's under surveillance? It's an atrocity!
Seriously, the whole idea of this sort of thing is to find out what's happening without the guy knowing, is that so unreasonable, as long as it's with just cause? I mean, sure, someone COULD misuse it, but I doubt there's a thing in the world which can't be misused anyway, so it is hardly a conclusive rebuttal.
Carnivor cannot catch real terrorists. There is no way that is possible - the various encryption techniques can encrypt unbreakably and disguise the fact that any encryption is going on. Programs to do this are free (both meanings). Any real terrorist or anyone with any real degree of malice or danger would encrpt their communciations in such a way that breaking them takes more time than the FBI can afford to spend... say, 10,000,000 years.
While I'd agree most would be intelligent enough to do so, one should also never underestimate the stupidity of criminals, or people in general. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if many did send things in the open.
Well, as an Australian I think you'd hate it over here. We allow knife searches based on suspicion, and various limitations on our freedoms which Americans would never dream of. It's not that we are oppressed, it's just the way we like to live, even if you disagree.
Though have you considered that you may be acting a bit paranoid? I mean, really, you seem to be (along with most of Carnivore's opponents) assuming the very worst, without any firm evidence to do so. How about giving things a chance before passing judgement?
In other words, no matter what they do you're assuming the most paranoid interpretation? Whether they have carnivore as it is, or take steps to ensure it works only as intended, you consider both to be sure signs of a conspiracy. Somewhat of a catch-22?
Slashdot moderation at work! All you need to do is make a totally content-free paranoid libertarian post, and it's an instant +5.
Do you have the slightest thing to say on topic, or are you just taking any chance to rant? Seriously, I think you need to take off the tin-foil hat for once. Do we oppose phone taps on the grounds that if they really really wanted to, the FBI could tap everyone's phone? No! "Carnivore" is just phone tap for email with a catchy name, nothing more, which for no particular reason has turned into a lightning rod for every paranoid conspiracy out there.
(and just watch me get moderated "-2, Dissenting Opinion" for saying it too)
Well, I guess it could just be a question of opinion, yours just looked a bit more technical, as opposed to the fairly simple math in the 10x-x proof.
Actually, the simplest proof is:
0 0...
x=0.999...
10x=9.999...
-------------
9x=9.0
x=1
QED
The same principle can be used to convert any repeating decimal into a fraction without much difficulty.
I think that the Mandrake shareholders may have something to say about their investment turning into a non-profit company...
Then can he sue HG Wells' descendants on the grounds that he ripped him off for his time travel book? Better yet, can I go back in time with a copy of windows, copyright it before it is written, then put M$ out of business for copyright infringement?
It's http://lhl.linuxgames.com and I can personally testify HL works great, I play it online through linux all the time. Of course it's about 30% slower by my estimate, but for most people with decent hardware that should be fine.