I very much look forward to a more refined mac os X that's completely 64 bit, and fully optimized for the G5's.
I didn't mean to imply that the opteron is king at anything; it certainly isn't. I'm quite partial to the PowerPC platform, really. if I could get 2U rackmount servers of a generic variety w/ dual G5 cores onboard, i'd be all over it.
really, I'm just happy that I'm not stuck between PA-RISC, SPARC, and intel at this point in time, and that I actually have some alternate choices.
I would love to see a good vendor compiler released as free beer/speech; that would really make my day.
I'm not disagreeing with you or anything, but the opterons blow the snot out of my G5 in all the applications I run on them. the upshot here being that I can do the development for these apps on my mac, and they just *run* on my bsd servers. that's a huge plus for me, and is certainly worth the $5k the G5 box cost me.
I would like to see more benchmarks in the range of specint, fp, etc; as well as the kind of endless benchmark ranges that you see in anandtech style benchmarkfests.
but realistically, I don't really care how fast it does optimized 3d rendering of landscapes; i'm using it for server number crunching. I like the opteron more, and the cost is more or less on par with the G5. That, and I like having lots of hardware choices, and the Xserve just doesn't move me. I like ultra320 without shelling for an external box.
as someone who has used linux and freebsd for a good, painfully long while now, I have to say that I've been very pleased with Mac OS X as my "unix desktop". I don't have to keep a windows box around to do any of my actual work tasks (you know, those things that PHBs want you to do, and what you get paid for) that used to involve windows apps.
I also have the pleasure of an integrated unix desktop system which makes managing my unix servers much, much more pleasant.
once Jordan Hubbard made the jump to apple, that really caused me to look into them- after my first powerbook, I ordered the dual G5 a week later. it was just that spiffy.
I understand people getting mad and being biased because apples ARE very expensive, compared to a similar windows box. and they really aren't easy to compare, because things just don't work the same. I love my athlon64 system for playing games, but that's about it- the windows refresh, thumbnailing, etc is still as crappy on that system as on a P3/500. conversely, I really like the way all that works on a mac, it just feels more cohesive in general.
I never did drink the kool-aid, and the mac is definitely not the fastest box around (dual opterons smoke it dead) but it's very functional in a unixy way, especially if you're trying to get work DONE and not spend your time twiddling with system settings. that, and it's pretty, and it's high time we geeks learned to like pretty things:)
Hear Hear! hats off to all our strange and glorious brothers (and sisters) who made WRPI the greatness that it is.
I still remember with a tear in my eye listening to Jim spin 2 hours of beautiful hardcore on "Suspect Device". I think it was Thursday afternoons in the mid-90's.
I went to RPI just because of him! (and the scholarship! but mostly him!)
I ordered one of these for testing, as it looked very intriguing. unfortunately, we have yet to get it to really work well, via wired or wireless connections- it will randomly choke on packets, and has bizarre latency issues that we are at a loss to explain.
we upgraded the firmware (it has it's own nifty firmware update thing on it's web interface) and called netgear, to no avail. It's probably running linux inside, as it wants to reformat your disks to ext2 format (I think, don't quote me though). I was bummed, as I really wanted to hook up and mount my existing fat32 usb drives. all in all I was not particularly impressed.
it would be cool if all the features worked, but as-is it's kind of a half-broken first generation product.
I could only hope you are a troll, but seriously...
As someone who has come to christ relatively recently, I have to say that I've struggled with the split between the new and old testament. Many people really try to stick to the old testament rules, but I would say that the new testament overrides it all. jesus really changed the way that things were done- if it was all the same, why would people get so upset as to have him killed?
I think the message that jesus brought to the world was a much more loving and compassionate one; I don't think he's going to lose it if I don't capitalize his name here.
Starting wars and killing people, while abusing the poor and the sick would probably piss him off- that's one of the reasons why I question the faith of our president.
anyway, whether you were being serious or just yanking my chain, have a nice day:)
I was looking to provide two separate terminals for a very, very expensive financial data application that typically has two screens anyway- if you work in the industry you know the one I'm talking about.
I read about the "MagicTwin" boxes on a hardware site, and thought it might be worth a shot to see if I could get it to work with the "per terminal" licensing features.
it was a PAIN IN THE ASS to get the whole system working properly, and it basically is just a hacked up version of RDP so it provides a terminal on a second keyboard, mouse, and monitor (the machines have a built in dual head card, or require certain add in cards).
all in all, it was usable, but nothing to write home about. it didn't work for duping the app either, as it was pretty much the same as a terminal session through RDP and I think people have tried that route before:)
seriously though, it's kind of cheesy and proprietary... you'd be better off buying generic hardware (a decent shuttle box, for example) and having two separate machines. the admin overhead of that little POS is really not worth the effort, IMHO.
(for reference, mine is an AMD based box, with a NForce2 IGP- I think it's the magictwin 765 or something like that.)
As a christian, I can honestly say that I think bush mouths all the phrases he thinks conservative christians would like to hear. I think if you look more deeply into his actions, you see someone who has no idea about any of the basic tenets of christianity, and is just playing a game to garner votes.
This holds true for pretty much all politicians, really, but I find bush's efforts in this regard to be quite appalling. I certainly don't want to vote for Kerry (who has always been a loser) but I'm voting against bush, more than anything.
That being said, I know way too many people voting for bush just because he says he's an "evangelical christian". I usually suggest that the actions of jesus sound like scary liberal hippie communism, which draws blank stares.
the domain was registered in 1996, well before the book was written and released. The book was originally to be titled "girl.com" but that turned out to be a porn site, so they changed it to "katie.com" instead.
All in all, it was a stupid move on the publisher's part, and they are just pulling the normal corporate move of not acknowledging any responsibility and hoping their legal threats can win it for them.
Personally, if I owned a domain like that, I'd use it as an opportunity to be a really big pain in the ass, but that's just me. I think the domain owner has all rights to be as much of a pest as she wants, and quite obviously she has all legal rights to the domain.
if you really wanted to get pedantic, you could argue that since the sex.com case (somewhat) established domains as "property", that the book title infringes upon her property. there has to be an ambulance chaser out there somewhere willing to pick that standard up and run with it...
As a recent Mac convert, (or longtime BSD user, who just happened to switch hardware- take your pick) I've noticed that the mac's multiple window thing is really, really annoying.
Windows annoys me too, with the fact that most apps only really seem to work in Maximized mode- full screen, blah blah blah. I'm having a hard time getting used to all the little windows everywhere, and the fact that trying to sort through all the damn windows is so terribly frustrating. and, when I alt-tab to an app that's minimized, it doesn't maximize itself - I have to go click on it from the Dock. that drives me nuts. so I end up leaving all the windows on the screen, covering each other.
I don't know how big of a monitor you other mac people use, but I have a pretty decent 19" flatscreen @ 1280x1024 resolution- and it doesn't seem NEARLY big enough to actually use more than one window at a time (other than terminal, of course, which unfortunately is slightly too big to tile 9 windows on the screen).
I suppose I need to learn more about the mac's arcane control keys, but more than anything I'd prefer a more normal unix-ish command key setup. oh well. I'm sure someone will tell me how easy it is to do that, but it's not all that obvious to me.
I refuse to believe the mac has some sort of super-uber-wonderful theory of desktop usage, though, and I wish people would stop acting like it. they waste too much damn space with useless brushed-metal stuff (ugly! make it go away!)
on a separate note, pixel oriented "graphic designers" suck. go CSS.
as someone who is 6'4 and 240, I can say that you're not exactly right. I can't comment on the original poster's actual body frame, but if you are 6+ feet tall and have a large musculature, you should weight at least 190 or considerably more.
maybe you're thinking of those string bean tall guys?
I know that I looked at some of those bikes, and while it would be nice to have a cheap electric-assist bike I really don't see many manufacturers that aim towards western body sizes (that aren't ludicrously expensive bikes, that is).
Anyway, just my 2 cents- and here's another tip: don't pick on tall guys with muscles in bars:)
I'm glad I wasn't alone on that one. I couldn't stop thinking about how absolutely asinine that was, and it made me wonder what kind of dungeons-and-dragons-loving, everquest-playing, "star-trek-next-generation-isn't-the-real-thing" mother's basement world the poster lived in.
it took me a minute to get he was ranting about a tv show, which I guess makes me feel safely comfortable about my sci-fi geek level.
he was referring to a common phrase used on FARK, in which a link gets destroyed due to all the traffic going to it. this is commonly referred to as "being farked", akin to something "being slashdotted".
what really creeps me out is that not only do you have some weird science fiction meaning for that word, but it's a pet peeve of yours...
most of your suggestions are spot on, but ALL MEN must know something about wine? that's rather off base. there are huge numbers of people who don't drink, so you're making some large assumption that people should know and care what sort of alcoholic beverage goes with what sort of meat, etc.
for that matter, we men don't demand that women be able to differentiate between a hefe weizen and a lager, so maybe you should relax on that one:P
the only member of my family who knows anything about wine is my gay little brother, which isn't a huge motivator to learn more about grape based beverages!
Dennis Kucinich www.kucinich.us voted against the PATRIOT ACT in congress, and forcefully supports the elimination of it as well as it's related nonsense. He also supports repealing NAFTA and removing the US from the WTO, etc.
Yeah, that's why he isn't going to win, but he makes a lot of great points. I wish he got more coverage!
He's the only candidate, Democratic or Republican, who I have ever felt excited about- once I heard him talking about his platform on NPR I was in shock to hear a candidate who actually made some sense.
just an FYI!
Ugh. I'm so glad someone pointed out the fact that those of us in the real computing world can't blindly apply every service pack and hotfix willy nilly, lest we break some stupid custom app or turn every one of 10,000+ PCs into bluescreened paperweights.
Also, applying 20 hotfixes per month on servers that run 24/7 for a worldwide userbase is just not gonna happen. You realize this early on, when you try to be good and inadvertently kill something dead. Not like there's a lack of trust, or anything...
I'm glad someone else pointed that out so I didn't have to...
I dunno about you, but...
cd/usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick ; sudo make install
isn't all that hard to do, now is it ?:)
This still costs $$$$$ to connect outlook clients!
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If you read the FAQ, they mention that the ZideStore server is open-source, but the Zidelook plugin for Outlook is *NOT*. that's what maps the MAPI calls to WebDAV calls, and is the part you would really want to have for free.
So this is really just another half-assed payware product. ugh. I hate exchange, I want it's abomination gone, but I'm not going to replace it unless it's with something free, open and stable.
If I'm going to buy closed source products from someone, it's going to be from somewhere that at least HAS a QA department...
that is quite an excellent book. I work for a brokerage house, and it's interesting to me how techies on slashdot see companies and their actions, and how the people with money see them. it's usually a 180 degree difference.
Regardless of what altruistic ideals we'd like to see the Monopoly take up, you really have to understand that they are a business. and I don't just mean a mom-and-pop store here, where grandpa can shut down for the week because he's going fishing with his grandson.
Microsoft is one of the larger publicly owned corporate entities in the US, and the world as well. As a publicly traded company, ownership in the company is shared among millions of shareholders, all (well, most) of whom hold equity shares in the firm. So, if you decide to make some business decision that is going to cut profits by some major percentage, a large portion of those people who own the firm along with you are going to get ticked off. Wouldn't you get mad if your business partner said "I'm going to throw our money down the toilet?"
It doesn't make business sense to develop products that coexist peacefully, or to use open specs, or whatever- while in the long run it's probably better off for all things to coexist, publicly traded companies cannot do things that involve long term planning. It's all about short term profits, as long term planning leads to short term revenue loss and thusly perceived financial stupidity. this tends to get CEOs, CFOs, etc booted on their ass, which they don't usually like.
Now, if Microsoft was PRIVATELY held, like a giant Japanese zaibatsu, they could do as much long term R&D and strategic planning as they wanted. or they could give software away for free, since they would only have to answer to themselves.
But they don't. They answer to millions of shareholders, many of whom are very large financial institutions who lean on them to produce more $$$ when they are down.
Don't ever expect them to produce anything that is going to play well with others; it's just not going to happen. It's important to understand why, because that gives you the key to fighting them- open source on all platforms is really driving them mad, because it gives consumers smart business reasons to not use MS, and thusly creates business reasons for MS to play along with open source.
Vote with your wallet- that's all they understand.
I keep reading your posts on this topic and realize you're clueless about our industry. shut up already.
If you think that traders have the ability to do something like that without getting nailed to the wall almost instantly, then that gives a good example of your understanding of the situation.
Please refrain from spouting off endlessly about things you don't know. thanks.
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I very much look forward to a more refined mac os X that's completely 64 bit, and fully optimized for the G5's.
I didn't mean to imply that the opteron is king at anything; it certainly isn't. I'm quite partial to the PowerPC platform, really. if I could get 2U rackmount servers of a generic variety w/ dual G5 cores onboard, i'd be all over it.
really, I'm just happy that I'm not stuck between PA-RISC, SPARC, and intel at this point in time, and that I actually have some alternate choices.
I would love to see a good vendor compiler released as free beer/speech; that would really make my day.
I'm not disagreeing with you or anything, but the opterons blow the snot out of my G5 in all the applications I run on them. the upshot here being that I can do the development for these apps on my mac, and they just *run* on my bsd servers. that's a huge plus for me, and is certainly worth the $5k the G5 box cost me.
I would like to see more benchmarks in the range of specint, fp, etc; as well as the kind of endless benchmark ranges that you see in anandtech style benchmarkfests.
but realistically, I don't really care how fast it does optimized 3d rendering of landscapes; i'm using it for server number crunching. I like the opteron more, and the cost is more or less on par with the G5. That, and I like having lots of hardware choices, and the Xserve just doesn't move me. I like ultra320 without shelling for an external box.
it's still my favorite desktop system, though.
as someone who has used linux and freebsd for a good, painfully long while now, I have to say that I've been very pleased with Mac OS X as my "unix desktop". I don't have to keep a windows box around to do any of my actual work tasks (you know, those things that PHBs want you to do, and what you get paid for) that used to involve windows apps.
:)
I also have the pleasure of an integrated unix desktop system which makes managing my unix servers much, much more pleasant.
once Jordan Hubbard made the jump to apple, that really caused me to look into them- after my first powerbook, I ordered the dual G5 a week later. it was just that spiffy.
I understand people getting mad and being biased because apples ARE very expensive, compared to a similar windows box. and they really aren't easy to compare, because things just don't work the same. I love my athlon64 system for playing games, but that's about it- the windows refresh, thumbnailing, etc is still as crappy on that system as on a P3/500. conversely, I really like the way all that works on a mac, it just feels more cohesive in general.
I never did drink the kool-aid, and the mac is definitely not the fastest box around (dual opterons smoke it dead) but it's very functional in a unixy way, especially if you're trying to get work DONE and not spend your time twiddling with system settings. that, and it's pretty, and it's high time we geeks learned to like pretty things
Hear Hear! hats off to all our strange and glorious brothers (and sisters) who made WRPI the greatness that it is.
I still remember with a tear in my eye listening to Jim spin 2 hours of beautiful hardcore on "Suspect Device". I think it was Thursday afternoons in the mid-90's.
I went to RPI just because of him! (and the scholarship! but mostly him!)
I ordered one of these for testing, as it looked very intriguing. unfortunately, we have yet to get it to really work well, via wired or wireless connections- it will randomly choke on packets, and has bizarre latency issues that we are at a loss to explain.
we upgraded the firmware (it has it's own nifty firmware update thing on it's web interface) and called netgear, to no avail. It's probably running linux inside, as it wants to reformat your disks to ext2 format (I think, don't quote me though). I was bummed, as I really wanted to hook up and mount my existing fat32 usb drives. all in all I was not particularly impressed.
it would be cool if all the features worked, but as-is it's kind of a half-broken first generation product.
no kidding. thanks for the warning, I have those exact same parts, and I was going to upgrade this weekend :)
maybe I'll think twice, what with people reporting that it slows down the PC 6% to 23%...
I could only hope you are a troll, but seriously...
:)
As someone who has come to christ relatively recently, I have to say that I've struggled with the split between the new and old testament. Many people really try to stick to the old testament rules, but I would say that the new testament overrides it all. jesus really changed the way that things were done- if it was all the same, why would people get so upset as to have him killed?
I think the message that jesus brought to the world was a much more loving and compassionate one; I don't think he's going to lose it if I don't capitalize his name here.
Starting wars and killing people, while abusing the poor and the sick would probably piss him off- that's one of the reasons why I question the faith of our president.
anyway, whether you were being serious or just yanking my chain, have a nice day
I was looking to provide two separate terminals for a very, very expensive financial data application that typically has two screens anyway- if you work in the industry you know the one I'm talking about.
:)
I read about the "MagicTwin" boxes on a hardware site, and thought it might be worth a shot to see if I could get it to work with the "per terminal" licensing features.
it was a PAIN IN THE ASS to get the whole system working properly, and it basically is just a hacked up version of RDP so it provides a terminal on a second keyboard, mouse, and monitor (the machines have a built in dual head card, or require certain add in cards).
all in all, it was usable, but nothing to write home about. it didn't work for duping the app either, as it was pretty much the same as a terminal session through RDP and I think people have tried that route before
seriously though, it's kind of cheesy and proprietary... you'd be better off buying generic hardware (a decent shuttle box, for example) and having two separate machines. the admin overhead of that little POS is really not worth the effort, IMHO.
(for reference, mine is an AMD based box, with a NForce2 IGP- I think it's the magictwin 765 or something like that.)
As a christian, I can honestly say that I think bush mouths all the phrases he thinks conservative christians would like to hear. I think if you look more deeply into his actions, you see someone who has no idea about any of the basic tenets of christianity, and is just playing a game to garner votes.
This holds true for pretty much all politicians, really, but I find bush's efforts in this regard to be quite appalling. I certainly don't want to vote for Kerry (who has always been a loser) but I'm voting against bush, more than anything.
That being said, I know way too many people voting for bush just because he says he's an "evangelical christian". I usually suggest that the actions of jesus sound like scary liberal hippie communism, which draws blank stares.
when 1GB hard drives first came out, most of the machines using them only had 8mb of ram! I remember those days. ugh.
well, I had dropped some hard earned cash and bumped up to 32, but that was some serious $$$ at the time.
I still think about that when I buy 1GB sticks of ram these days!
the domain was registered in 1996, well before the book was written and released. The book was originally to be titled "girl.com" but that turned out to be a porn site, so they changed it to "katie.com" instead.
All in all, it was a stupid move on the publisher's part, and they are just pulling the normal corporate move of not acknowledging any responsibility and hoping their legal threats can win it for them.
Personally, if I owned a domain like that, I'd use it as an opportunity to be a really big pain in the ass, but that's just me. I think the domain owner has all rights to be as much of a pest as she wants, and quite obviously she has all legal rights to the domain.
if you really wanted to get pedantic, you could argue that since the sex.com case (somewhat) established domains as "property", that the book title infringes upon her property. there has to be an ambulance chaser out there somewhere willing to pick that standard up and run with it...
Umm, ooooookay...
As a recent Mac convert, (or longtime BSD user, who just happened to switch hardware- take your pick) I've noticed that the mac's multiple window thing is really, really annoying.
Windows annoys me too, with the fact that most apps only really seem to work in Maximized mode- full screen, blah blah blah. I'm having a hard time getting used to all the little windows everywhere, and the fact that trying to sort through all the damn windows is so terribly frustrating. and, when I alt-tab to an app that's minimized, it doesn't maximize itself - I have to go click on it from the Dock. that drives me nuts. so I end up leaving all the windows on the screen, covering each other.
I don't know how big of a monitor you other mac people use, but I have a pretty decent 19" flatscreen @ 1280x1024 resolution- and it doesn't seem NEARLY big enough to actually use more than one window at a time (other than terminal, of course, which unfortunately is slightly too big to tile 9 windows on the screen).
I suppose I need to learn more about the mac's arcane control keys, but more than anything I'd prefer a more normal unix-ish command key setup. oh well. I'm sure someone will tell me how easy it is to do that, but it's not all that obvious to me.
I refuse to believe the mac has some sort of super-uber-wonderful theory of desktop usage, though, and I wish people would stop acting like it. they waste too much damn space with useless brushed-metal stuff (ugly! make it go away!)
on a separate note, pixel oriented "graphic designers" suck. go CSS.
as someone who is 6'4 and 240, I can say that you're not exactly right. I can't comment on the original poster's actual body frame, but if you are 6+ feet tall and have a large musculature, you should weight at least 190 or considerably more.
maybe you're thinking of those string bean tall guys?
I know that I looked at some of those bikes, and while it would be nice to have a cheap electric-assist bike I really don't see many manufacturers that aim towards western body sizes (that aren't ludicrously expensive bikes, that is).
Anyway, just my 2 cents- and here's another tip: don't pick on tall guys with muscles in bars
I'm glad I wasn't alone on that one. I couldn't stop thinking about how absolutely asinine that was, and it made me wonder what kind of dungeons-and-dragons-loving, everquest-playing, "star-trek-next-generation-isn't-the-real-thing" mother's basement world the poster lived in.
it took me a minute to get he was ranting about a tv show, which I guess makes me feel safely comfortable about my sci-fi geek level.
what really creeps me out is that not only do you have some weird science fiction meaning for that word, but it's a pet peeve of yours...
most of your suggestions are spot on, but ALL MEN must know something about wine? that's rather off base. there are huge numbers of people who don't drink, so you're making some large assumption that people should know and care what sort of alcoholic beverage goes with what sort of meat, etc.
:P
for that matter, we men don't demand that women be able to differentiate between a hefe weizen and a lager, so maybe you should relax on that one
the only member of my family who knows anything about wine is my gay little brother, which isn't a huge motivator to learn more about grape based beverages!
Dennis Kucinich www.kucinich.us voted against the PATRIOT ACT in congress, and forcefully supports the elimination of it as well as it's related nonsense. He also supports repealing NAFTA and removing the US from the WTO, etc. Yeah, that's why he isn't going to win, but he makes a lot of great points. I wish he got more coverage! He's the only candidate, Democratic or Republican, who I have ever felt excited about- once I heard him talking about his platform on NPR I was in shock to hear a candidate who actually made some sense. just an FYI!
Ugh. I'm so glad someone pointed out the fact that those of us in the real computing world can't blindly apply every service pack and hotfix willy nilly, lest we break some stupid custom app or turn every one of 10,000+ PCs into bluescreened paperweights.
Also, applying 20 hotfixes per month on servers that run 24/7 for a worldwide userbase is just not gonna happen. You realize this early on, when you try to be good and inadvertently kill something dead. Not like there's a lack of trust, or anything...
I'd take your mom asking about kids over my mom supporting gay rights for everyone and ignoring her straight children.
if we swap, you won't ever have to worry about a mom who wants grandchildren. let's talk.
I'm glad someone else pointed that out so I didn't have to...
/usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick ; sudo make install
:)
I dunno about you, but...
cd
isn't all that hard to do, now is it ?
If you read the FAQ, they mention that the ZideStore server is open-source, but the Zidelook plugin for Outlook is *NOT*. that's what maps the MAPI calls to WebDAV calls, and is the part you would really want to have for free.
So this is really just another half-assed payware product. ugh. I hate exchange, I want it's abomination gone, but I'm not going to replace it unless it's with something free, open and stable.
If I'm going to buy closed source products from someone, it's going to be from somewhere that at least HAS a QA department...
that is quite an excellent book. I work for a brokerage house, and it's interesting to me how techies on slashdot see companies and their actions, and how the people with money see them. it's usually a 180 degree difference.
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Microsoft is one of the larger publicly owned corporate entities in the US, and the world as well. As a publicly traded company, ownership in the company is shared among millions of shareholders, all (well, most) of whom hold equity shares in the firm. So, if you decide to make some business decision that is going to cut profits by some major percentage, a large portion of those people who own the firm along with you are going to get ticked off. Wouldn't you get mad if your business partner said "I'm going to throw our money down the toilet?"
It doesn't make business sense to develop products that coexist peacefully, or to use open specs, or whatever- while in the long run it's probably better off for all things to coexist, publicly traded companies cannot do things that involve long term planning. It's all about short term profits, as long term planning leads to short term revenue loss and thusly perceived financial stupidity. this tends to get CEOs, CFOs, etc booted on their ass, which they don't usually like.
Now, if Microsoft was PRIVATELY held, like a giant Japanese zaibatsu, they could do as much long term R&D and strategic planning as they wanted. or they could give software away for free, since they would only have to answer to themselves.
But they don't. They answer to millions of shareholders, many of whom are very large financial institutions who lean on them to produce more $$$ when they are down.
Don't ever expect them to produce anything that is going to play well with others; it's just not going to happen. It's important to understand why, because that gives you the key to fighting them- open source on all platforms is really driving them mad, because it gives consumers smart business reasons to not use MS, and thusly creates business reasons for MS to play along with open source.
Vote with your wallet- that's all they understand.
I keep reading your posts on this topic and realize you're clueless about our industry. shut up already.
If you think that traders have the ability to do something like that without getting nailed to the wall almost instantly, then that gives a good example of your understanding of the situation.
Please refrain from spouting off endlessly about things you don't know. thanks.