but I think that far and away custom commercial RAD built apps have the worst interfaces I've ever seen in my life - and this is most of the software people are using at work. COTS closed source software generally has a pretty polished UI, but everything i've ever seen built with RAD tools sucks so bad they couldn't ever sell it on the shelves. I'm not talking about nit picks like interface clutter or where the "File" menu is, but about shit like "make sure you put a trailing "@" sign on all time sheet queries run not on the current month" type crap or queries that fla because there was a "rogue whitespace" in the input (yeah you all know what I'm talking about). I'm talking about horrible kludges in the back end that seeped into the UI because people are just plain fucking lazy. How come no one ever complains about this stuff? From where I sit, this sort of shit makes the UI problems of OSS look like a non-issue.
Most Free Software actually has a very well designed and thought out UI, it's just designed with people who are willing to read in mind.
This does not default to granting the state power to conduct surveillance of citizens (well at least it shouldn't). The powers of the state should always be explicity defined, no?
works great for everything else though... it'll probably play doom3 ok on lesser graphic detail, and it'll be the first time i booted into windows in 3 years.
The phenomenon you are describing - "women not liking nice guys" - is pure, self indulgent bullshit.
Women don't like "nice guys" because "nice guys" are almost ALWAYS fucking CREEPS. Women don't want to go out, much less fuck, some guy who may be turning them into something they are NOT. in short, the sexuality of "nice guys" is overly objectified - women aren't even real to them - and they can tell.
"Nice guys" indulge themselves and whine about their lack of success being due to women liking "assholes", but the reality is that they are avoiding you for the same reasons a dog sniffs a rotting carcass and turns away, looking for something else to eat...
The "adolf_hitler" nick really isn't gonna get you any girls either.
Between Debian's slowness of "it will be done when its done" and the neckbreaking speed of Fedora I keep hoping to find some sort of middle ground. I like software to be as progressive as anyone but upgrading is a major pain. If they solve that problem, then the world will beat a path to their door.
Debian already did that, it's called the unstable branch. Having used Red Hat from 5.0 to 9.0, and having used Debian exclusively at home for the last five years, I can safely say that Debian's unstable branch is more reliable than any of Red Hat's releases.
Debian is a good way out of this, the release cycle is rather slow, most of the more important software is backported to it (like KDE, gnome, mozilla, etc.), and the selection of software is enormous, meaning you won't have to be compiling anything. The software is also far easier to install.
If you want to use and rpm based distro at home you are pretty much going to be upgrading with every point release unless you're perfectly happy with what you have.
Tried to find parts for that car lately? It can be very difficult to find parts for older cars, depending on how popular they were.
Of course, you might be able to, but yes, the point of product churning and quick product cycles is to obsolete a product, which includes maintenance of it - with the express purpose of forcing you to buy another one. Not to mention it is extremely wasteful.
What is surprising is that people aren't pissed off that their cars don't last 50 years. There's no reason for them not to.
You're a moron. The point is to obsolete whatever it is that you bought six months ago and nothing else. You will have no choice but to buy the newer product if this works properly.
Who modded this tripe "insightful"? Was everyone around here born yesterday?
He states "layered services" will become what's important, but to linux users, that was what was important all along. No one really cared that much about the kernel (aside from hardware support), it was the unix shell and cli utilities that we wanted. It was the horrible "let me do everything for you" crap built into everything that is windows; it was the nice packaging systems (debian, gentoo) that windows can't even remotely match to this day.
It was always about the layered services, and always will be, to the majority of users - the users are what's changing...
ssh'ing into, say, a home machine because IM is blocked at work or maybe you don't want anyone at work snooping on your conversations? Seems pretty obvious to me.
centericq - nice Im client, does just about every protocol
cdcd - console cd player aview - ascii image viewer mp3blaster - media player mutt - MUA slrn - newsreader w3m - web browser (does CSS and tables) screen snd emacs... to name just a few...
Well I have no problem with you not reading Shakespeare, either...
Here is the actual (original) reference, geek:
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Very true, and many of us are in this boat - the current trend is to hire $10/hr "help desk" types and call someone more experienced only when absolutely necessary. Sysadmins are becoming rare outside of "enterprise" environments, which is a real shame - not just because enterprise environments suck to work in - but also because these smaller places always have so many poorly planned & designed systems that barely work because they aren't willling to hire someone with the proper experience. Going in to clean up after these idiots is a real pain.
Today, we call them engineers, doctors, teachers, chemists, and programmers; they are the people that help all of the other people manipulate and comprehend the world.
replace "the world" with "the interface to our world"...
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screw a house cleaning robot; I want a robot version of THIS
give up completely and retreat utterly into total nerdery. :-)
but I think that far and away custom commercial RAD built apps have the worst interfaces I've ever seen in my life - and this is most of the software people are using at work. COTS closed source software generally has a pretty polished UI, but everything i've ever seen built with RAD tools sucks so bad they couldn't ever sell it on the shelves. I'm not talking about nit picks like interface clutter or where the "File" menu is, but about shit like "make sure you put a trailing "@" sign on all time sheet queries run not on the current month" type crap or queries that fla because there was a "rogue whitespace" in the input (yeah you all know what I'm talking about). I'm talking about horrible kludges in the back end that seeped into the UI because people are just plain fucking lazy. How come no one ever complains about this stuff? From where I sit, this sort of shit makes the UI problems of OSS look like a non-issue.
Most Free Software actually has a very well designed and thought out UI, it's just designed with people who are willing to read in mind.
This does not default to granting the state power to conduct surveillance of citizens (well at least it shouldn't). The powers of the state should always be explicity defined, no?
Athlon 1200
... it'll probably play doom3 ok on lesser graphic detail, and it'll be the first time i booted into windows in 3 years.
512MB RAM
ATI 9800 / 128MB
works great for everything else though
The phenomenon you are describing - "women not liking nice guys" - is pure, self indulgent bullshit.
...
Women don't like "nice guys" because "nice guys" are almost ALWAYS fucking CREEPS. Women don't want to go out, much less fuck, some guy who may be turning them into something they are NOT. in short, the sexuality of "nice guys" is overly objectified - women aren't even real to them - and they can tell.
"Nice guys" indulge themselves and whine about their lack of success being due to women liking "assholes", but the reality is that they are avoiding you for the same reasons a dog sniffs a rotting carcass and turns away, looking for something else to eat
The "adolf_hitler" nick really isn't gonna get you any girls either.
Debian already did that, it's called the unstable branch. Having used Red Hat from 5.0 to 9.0, and having used Debian exclusively at home for the last five years, I can safely say that Debian's unstable branch is more reliable than any of Red Hat's releases.
Debian is a good way out of this, the release cycle is rather slow, most of the more important software is backported to it (like KDE, gnome, mozilla, etc.), and the selection of software is enormous, meaning you won't have to be compiling anything. The software is also far easier to install.
If you want to use and rpm based distro at home you are pretty much going to be upgrading with every point release unless you're perfectly happy with what you have.
Bussiness people are unimaginative, boring, and turn every decent idea into shit. Film at 11.
Tried to find parts for that car lately? It can be very difficult to find parts for older cars, depending on how popular they were.
Of course, you might be able to, but yes, the point of product churning and quick product cycles is to obsolete a product, which includes maintenance of it - with the express purpose of forcing you to buy another one. Not to mention it is extremely wasteful.
What is surprising is that people aren't pissed off that their cars don't last 50 years. There's no reason for them not to.
Who modded this tripe "insightful"? Was everyone around here born yesterday?
It was always about the layered services, and always will be, to the majority of users - the users are what's changing ...
the onion (the paper version has more content)
the baffler (tho it's more like a journal)
cook's (the best cooking magazine there is, and no ads)
Well, what DNS software does this? That is flagrantly and seriously BROKEN. I don't know of any DNS caching software that broken off hand ...
ssh'ing into, say, a home machine because IM is blocked at work or maybe you don't want anyone at work snooping on your conversations? Seems pretty obvious to me.
centericq - nice Im client, does just about every protocol
... to name just a few ...
cdcd - console cd player
aview - ascii image viewer
mp3blaster - media player
mutt - MUA
slrn - newsreader
w3m - web browser (does CSS and tables)
screen
snd
emacs
In CAPITALIST WEST, the SOFTWARE bombs YOU!
Here is the actual (original) reference, geek:
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
dumb ass ...
Uh, that (the "undiscovered country") is a reference to death, you know ...
konqueror 3.2 doesn't render their front page created website properly ...
Why do they bother with a crappy OS that needs one?
Who modded this interesting?
After loading up one web page I think anyone would get pretty annoyed with this.
User: User
Boy, that's useful information there ...
Very true, and many of us are in this boat - the current trend is to hire $10/hr "help desk" types and call someone more experienced only when absolutely necessary. Sysadmins are becoming rare outside of "enterprise" environments, which is a real shame - not just because enterprise environments suck to work in - but also because these smaller places always have so many poorly planned & designed systems that barely work because they aren't willling to hire someone with the proper experience. Going in to clean up after these idiots is a real pain.
replace "the world" with "the interface to our world" ...