UMM... I don't know how you got marked up, though you're point is valid, you made the complete wrong assumption of what the guy did.
I've been getting some mail over this, and most of it is positive stuff that has me feeling better right now. Thanks.:-)
One thing I'd like to clear up is that I am not now, nor have I ever been self-medicating with Cipro or any other antibiotics. I've always taken them under the advice of and with a prescription from a qualified medical doctor.
Again, I'm feeling better and hope it continues. Thanks for the well wishes!
Enough stalling, give everybody including most of SUN's engineers what they want already, Open Source Java. Full spec, no restrictions, GPL. That is the only way for them to survive, is to spread java like a wildfire and charge for support and consulting for the java solution.
Microsoft effectively put the browser market out of play when they released theirs for free, why should anyone pay for a product when an acceptable alternative is free, to download porn 100 times faster?
I think it pretty obvious that Sun Microsystems is heading straight for fiscal ruins if something doesn't change in the business strategy itself. So my question is, is Java 5 a fond farwell for a company that's no longer able to compete?
It seems time based releases aren't always a bad thing, the Gnome project has not really missed a projected date by a long range. But is the con to all this that time based releases make only incremental improvements possible and major overhauls impossible? Now that I say it out loud it actually sounds like a good thing that major changes are impossible, or we would end up with a 3-4 year rewrite like mozilla was.
how hard would it be to port between GTK# and Winforms?
This is where documentation would help tremendously. Particularly in the form of "porting from windows.net to Mono" guide. I hear there's a book coming out on developing with Mono which might help some of us.
The mono team has released an incredible amount of code in a relatively short timespan.
Not the mention that they've cloned the entire system and have a product ready to ship in such a span of time. This is the leading indicator of why the Mono team is right about this technology. The GCJ team has had a head start on Java and they still don't have an entirely useful product. This says to me that one or more of a possible list of things are true.
1) the.NET standard is far more openly available and legally open than the Java system. Or that the Mono team is more reckless in ignoring the legality of the code.
2) the language itself, C# is a better platform for developing applications rapidly, seeing as how a majority of Mono is written in C#.
3) the.NET framework is more elegantly designed. Thus in hacker jargon "The right thing".
Because you're talkign about government intervention, and any time the government intervenes, it's a completel and abject failure. Look at the agriculture industry. We have the US gov't trying to "save farms". We have some of the most productive agricultural practices in the world, and the gov't is paying farmers to let fields go fallow, they're paying them NOT to produce, and they're artificially jacking up the proces of grain and milk.
Umm... I really hope you've heard of something called "the great depression" or maybe "the dust bowl". If not I would really suggest you pick up a history book right now.
Do they answer how to buy IBM computers without being forced to also buy a preinstalled Windows? Do they answer why they still "recommend Windows XP Professional" for their laptops? Do they answer where to get Linux support for their hardware - including wlan, power management etc.?
Because it will cost them more money providing support than it would make them supporting it?
They thought that Computer Engineers/Programmers/etc were going making tons of money no matter what. That time is long gone.
I would prefer to think that those times were never here. That's why they call it a bubble. There was never really a base for the kind of money IT was making other than the buzzword effect and irrational ethusaism for the field. In reality just because a technology may be useful it doesn't mean that it's necessarily profitable.
does it matter how much some particular distro is gaining market share? Is the software gonna be there that allows people to use it for office work, gaming, or whatever else people do with desktops is what we should be concerned about. Is linux becoming more useful to the average joe? Is it even becoming more useful to the average programmer? You got the leaders of all the distributions together and the best questions you got to ask them is who's growing faster? give me a break.
so you're better than the rest of us cause you accepted christ? You're never a liar, adulterer, drunkard now...? I don't think Christ ever called anyone a 'dong toucher', is that from the bible too?
People like to believe in individual ability rather than group social ability. It's a hero mentality, Larry Wall, ESR, RMS, and Linus are not famous simply because the press aims to make them famous, they're simply more visible leaders. Reading news sites like news.com can show this, on literally every article ever written about linux they say 'linux was written by linus torvalds' or something to that effect. The Apache project may not have any visible leaders which might be why no one really knows of their names.
Shift in market share does not necessarily indicate massive switching of systems taking place. Rather, it's likely that the growth of new webservers are running Apache.
Well Microsoft threw a fit and is one of the biggest lobbiests. They pressured dozens of senators with the phrase "Lost jobs" and "Communist" and they wrote legislation to ban code being release to the GPL and Linux at the NSA. Now are tax dollars are used to buy copies of Windows to help Microsoft.
I love how everyone who lives outside the political circle, can specualate about the internal scandals happening. I guess if the government deals inside closed doors then they should be the blame for everyone's problems.
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UMM... I don't know how you got marked up, though you're point is valid, you made the complete wrong assumption of what the guy did.
:-)
I've been getting some mail over this, and most of it is positive stuff that has me feeling better right now. Thanks.
One thing I'd like to clear up is that I am not now, nor have I ever been self-medicating with Cipro or any other antibiotics. I've always taken them under the advice of and with a prescription from a qualified medical doctor.
Again, I'm feeling better and hope it continues. Thanks for the well wishes!
Pat
Enough stalling, give everybody including most of SUN's engineers what they want already, Open Source Java. Full spec, no restrictions, GPL. That is the only way for them to survive, is to spread java like a wildfire and charge for support and consulting for the java solution.
Microsoft effectively put the browser market out of play when they released theirs for free, why should anyone pay for a product when an acceptable alternative is free, to download porn 100 times faster?
It's nice to know nobody can make a buck in the computing industry without microsoft's ear perking up and moving over to take a slice of the pie.
Since when was that microsoft's model? I guess the blue screens were for my own good for all those years.
I think it pretty obvious that Sun Microsystems is heading straight for fiscal ruins if something doesn't change in the business strategy itself. So my question is, is Java 5 a fond farwell for a company that's no longer able to compete?
It seems time based releases aren't always a bad thing, the Gnome project has not really missed a projected date by a long range. But is the con to all this that time based releases make only incremental improvements possible and major overhauls impossible? Now that I say it out loud it actually sounds like a good thing that major changes are impossible, or we would end up with a 3-4 year rewrite like mozilla was.
What are the pros and cons?
it's obvious isn't? John Ashcroft!
Great. Should be done by the time MS moves to avalon.
Umm... You go Girl! Way to hit the hard working hackers giving away their work... where it hurts.
But the real question is who's better at pleasuring the ladies.
how hard would it be to port between GTK# and Winforms?
.net to Mono" guide. I hear there's a book coming out on developing with Mono which might help some of us.
This is where documentation would help tremendously. Particularly in the form of "porting from windows
Yeah...we totally need 200 MP3 player applications.
You mean we don't have it already?!?
The mono team has released an incredible amount of code in a relatively short timespan.
.NET standard is far more openly available and legally open than the Java system. Or that the Mono team is more reckless in ignoring the legality of the code.
.NET framework is more elegantly designed. Thus in hacker jargon "The right thing".
Not the mention that they've cloned the entire system and have a product ready to ship in such a span of time. This is the leading indicator of why the Mono team is right about this technology. The GCJ team has had a head start on Java and they still don't have an entirely useful product. This says to me that one or more of a possible list of things are true.
1) the
2) the language itself, C# is a better platform for developing applications rapidly, seeing as how a majority of Mono is written in C#.
3) the
here's my credit card, where do I sign up?
Because you're talkign about government intervention, and any time the government intervenes, it's a completel and abject failure. Look at the agriculture industry. We have the US gov't trying to "save farms". We have some of the most productive agricultural practices in the world, and the gov't is paying farmers to let fields go fallow, they're paying them NOT to produce, and they're artificially jacking up the proces of grain and milk.
Umm... I really hope you've heard of something called "the great depression" or maybe "the dust bowl". If not I would really suggest you pick up a history book right now.
Do they answer how to buy IBM computers without being forced to also buy a preinstalled Windows? Do they answer why they still "recommend Windows XP Professional" for their laptops? Do they answer where to get Linux support for their hardware - including wlan, power management etc.?
Because it will cost them more money providing support than it would make them supporting it?
They thought that Computer Engineers/Programmers/etc were going making tons of money no matter what. That time is long gone.
I would prefer to think that those times were never here. That's why they call it a bubble. There was never really a base for the kind of money IT was making other than the buzzword effect and irrational ethusaism for the field. In reality just because a technology may be useful it doesn't mean that it's necessarily profitable.
does it matter how much some particular distro is gaining market share? Is the software gonna be there that allows people to use it for office work, gaming, or whatever else people do with desktops is what we should be concerned about. Is linux becoming more useful to the average joe? Is it even becoming more useful to the average programmer? You got the leaders of all the distributions together and the best questions you got to ask them is who's growing faster? give me a break.
so you're better than the rest of us cause you accepted christ? You're never a liar, adulterer, drunkard now...? I don't think Christ ever called anyone a 'dong toucher', is that from the bible too?
People like to believe in individual ability rather than group social ability. It's a hero mentality, Larry Wall, ESR, RMS, and Linus are not famous simply because the press aims to make them famous, they're simply more visible leaders. Reading news sites like news.com can show this, on literally every article ever written about linux they say 'linux was written by linus torvalds' or something to that effect. The Apache project may not have any visible leaders which might be why no one really knows of their names.
Shift in market share does not necessarily indicate massive switching of systems taking place. Rather, it's likely that the growth of new webservers are running Apache.
Well Microsoft threw a fit and is one of the biggest lobbiests. They pressured dozens of senators with the phrase "Lost jobs" and "Communist" and they wrote legislation to ban code being release to the GPL and Linux at the NSA. Now are tax dollars are used to buy copies of Windows to help Microsoft.
I love how everyone who lives outside the political circle, can specualate about the internal scandals happening. I guess if the government deals inside closed doors then they should be the blame for everyone's problems.
I can't whistle! why, oh why was I born?!?
They don't, they assimulated other matrix parodies and shoved it down the people's collective throats.
It's not entirely known if Neo died. I think his consciousness remained in the matrix but his body was destoryed.