I would bet that they would gladly give up their flash player because they don't really sell it. If you think about it the world is doing Adobe a favor by providing a file format and viewers for the content created by it's tool sets, that it actually sells. They sell their creative tools, the flash player was always needed to provide a way to view these creations. Now that HTML5 can accomplish much of this they see a way out of the constant development on their player.
Steve Jobs probably thought he was punching them in the balls, but in reality he just handed them more cash. The adobe creative suite is on almost every designer machine in the western world. "Flash", meaning SWFs might be going away, but the creative tool sets are here to stay for a long while. Then throw in their new "Flash Builder", aka Flex, and you have a powerful set of tools. That's what they sell.
True that. It's a balance. We can't bankrupt ourselves to keep everyone living well. That's where the tough part of the job comes in. I pity those SOBs in Washington DC. No matter what they do someone somewhere hates them for it.
Unless you have some proof of winning at skilled levels I advise you "ship it". Writing a bot to work scrubs using.05/.10 using pokertracker's using VP/PR/AF and auto hotkey is not winning against a skilled player. When one of the world's most powerful machines can't beat a field of high _limit_ players then where is the one that beats high stakes no limit players? It doesn't exist sir.
First thing - computers can't beat humans at strategy games where there are huge variables in risk versus reward, such as No Limit Texas Hold em. They can use strategies of course but a pro player can tear them to pieces. See the notes on Man versus machine where Polaris went up against poker geniuses like Bryce Paradis and then read his post analysis if possible. And that was a game of limit. No limit adds a layer of complexity that makes the mind boggle. And that's a simple game. Imagine applying strategy to a game where variables such as human emotions adds weight to a decision.
Two - Could the machine ever gather the same information in the time given a coach? A coach intakes an immense amount of information using all his senses and his staff of assistants. When a computer can intake the same amount of information on a field of play we will have created artificial life. Not something trivial.
Game strategy is ultimately based on information gathering inside information sparse environments. How can a computer compete in that realm?
But it is in their best interest. The people are government. If you have a lot of people without roofs you have a lot of angry people not doing their part to move the country forward. Eventually they come and burn down your roof to make the point sink home.
As long as there is a need for a public speaker on your behalf there will be a need for lawyers. As long as people accuse others of wrong doing there will be a need for these public speakers. So they will most likely never go away unless we can alter humanity.
I'm not in any camp. I'm a free thinker. Questioning is part of that. There was a time when some of the greatest minds in the world thought blood letting was the best way to treat a lot of disease. They were not ignorant or malicious. They truly thought they were doing the best thing. So please excuse the world if we question some things that science assumes as truth. It's not being irrational. You're the one being irrational by saying we shouldn't question it. We're not saying it's wrong. We're saying please provide more evidence and let's approach this very serious issue with extreme caution given the stakes.
* Don't assume I go one way or another, this is a devil's advocate piece. It's about understanding humanity and our approach to change.
Cool thanks for the facts scientist. You are a scientist right? Now if you can just send us all your data so we can prove your conclusion beyond our doubts we should be able to let this debate rest for good.
Yeah mainly legs are useful at grasping branches and outcroppings, etc. Climbing is really where arms and legs shine over wheels. I think a combination of the two will come to fruition, legs with wheels that can be braked for use as feet.
No problem with the technology really, just the hype around it. I've been programming for quite a while and I've seen fads come and go. Fortunately we pick and choose what works and throw away what doesn't. But mainly I'm just making fun of hackernews and the related ycombinator group that hype anything new and exciting. A few years ago it was Ruby. Then Python came back around. Then Clojure. etc etc. It's never ending. It's funny to watch.
Yeah agreed. I saw the same thing play out from the sidelines of SAIC with their FBI case file system debacle. You have to meet the users needs and too many of these large projects just go thundering down the path like a crazy elephant. Then they get to the end and ask if everything is good. Good? You just trampled what we do here!
In fairness to them I've been in meetings with government officials and seen displays of terrible ignorance and petty bickering over politics and power. Not once when I was building these systems was I asked if the users were consulted. Only the executives.
My main point was he won't be remembered for his work. He'll be a footnote sitting in a cell for the rest of his life because he challenged the most powerful government in the world and lost, right or wrong.
My opinion? Hell I love to see governments look like fools by exposing the truth, because they are fools. Our leadership, worldwide, has failed us all. if what he's accused of is true then he took a gigantic personal risk to get this information out. He has huge balls and I admire that. How many men can stand against the tide? Barely any these days. It's too easy to buy in and sell out.
Node.js + Hadoop + Social networking = instant silicon valley money pit win these days. They don't even care what you make, just make sure you use node.js.
Now this I can tend to agree with but there are real time Java systems. I went looking for more information on the runtime and OS used for this EFD system but couldn't find any. Real time is not optional in this situation, IMHO. And when I see symptoms like "not fast enough", I tend to agree with you. They might have used a technology ill suited to the real time nature of ATC and that was the big mistake.
I just think it's too easy to go to that well, the Java is slow well. Those days are past in most cases. But real time? Sheesh that's a gamble I'm not willing to take myself.
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I would bet that they would gladly give up their flash player because they don't really sell it. If you think about it the world is doing Adobe a favor by providing a file format and viewers for the content created by it's tool sets, that it actually sells. They sell their creative tools, the flash player was always needed to provide a way to view these creations. Now that HTML5 can accomplish much of this they see a way out of the constant development on their player.
Steve Jobs probably thought he was punching them in the balls, but in reality he just handed them more cash. The adobe creative suite is on almost every designer machine in the western world. "Flash", meaning SWFs might be going away, but the creative tool sets are here to stay for a long while. Then throw in their new "Flash Builder", aka Flex, and you have a powerful set of tools. That's what they sell.
Ah yes the high priests will read the message of God for us.
True that. It's a balance. We can't bankrupt ourselves to keep everyone living well. That's where the tough part of the job comes in. I pity those SOBs in Washington DC. No matter what they do someone somewhere hates them for it.
Unless you have some proof of winning at skilled levels I advise you "ship it". Writing a bot to work scrubs using .05/.10 using pokertracker's using VP/PR/AF and auto hotkey is not winning against a skilled player. When one of the world's most powerful machines can't beat a field of high _limit_ players then where is the one that beats high stakes no limit players? It doesn't exist sir.
And apparently they don't have Google in other countries.
Why you couldn't be bothered to look up the terms is beyond me.
But where does one gather that data to crunch? Historical analysis wouldn't be enough to predict the proper strategy in a NFL football game.
First thing - computers can't beat humans at strategy games where there are huge variables in risk versus reward, such as No Limit Texas Hold em. They can use strategies of course but a pro player can tear them to pieces. See the notes on Man versus machine where Polaris went up against poker geniuses like Bryce Paradis and then read his post analysis if possible. And that was a game of limit. No limit adds a layer of complexity that makes the mind boggle. And that's a simple game. Imagine applying strategy to a game where variables such as human emotions adds weight to a decision.
Two - Could the machine ever gather the same information in the time given a coach? A coach intakes an immense amount of information using all his senses and his staff of assistants. When a computer can intake the same amount of information on a field of play we will have created artificial life. Not something trivial.
Game strategy is ultimately based on information gathering inside information sparse environments. How can a computer compete in that realm?
Wow, way to dress up an insult asshole. Too bad I could give a shit what you think you fucking peasant.
Tell that to the people in Egypt.
But it is in their best interest. The people are government. If you have a lot of people without roofs you have a lot of angry people not doing their part to move the country forward. Eventually they come and burn down your roof to make the point sink home.
As long as there is a need for a public speaker on your behalf there will be a need for lawyers. As long as people accuse others of wrong doing there will be a need for these public speakers. So they will most likely never go away unless we can alter humanity.
I'm not in any camp. I'm a free thinker. Questioning is part of that. There was a time when some of the greatest minds in the world thought blood letting was the best way to treat a lot of disease. They were not ignorant or malicious. They truly thought they were doing the best thing. So please excuse the world if we question some things that science assumes as truth. It's not being irrational. You're the one being irrational by saying we shouldn't question it. We're not saying it's wrong. We're saying please provide more evidence and let's approach this very serious issue with extreme caution given the stakes.
* Don't assume I go one way or another, this is a devil's advocate piece. It's about understanding humanity and our approach to change.
Cool thanks for the facts scientist. You are a scientist right? Now if you can just send us all your data so we can prove your conclusion beyond our doubts we should be able to let this debate rest for good.
Yeah mainly legs are useful at grasping branches and outcroppings, etc. Climbing is really where arms and legs shine over wheels. I think a combination of the two will come to fruition, legs with wheels that can be braked for use as feet.
The wheel called and said "Uhm, so fucking what? I was outrunning humans before there was language"
I love how this is creepy, yet put wheels on it and it's normal. Legs? Creepy. Wheels? No big deal.
Agreed. Burn it. Burn it with fire.
FREAKS!
No problem with the technology really, just the hype around it. I've been programming for quite a while and I've seen fads come and go. Fortunately we pick and choose what works and throw away what doesn't. But mainly I'm just making fun of hackernews and the related ycombinator group that hype anything new and exciting. A few years ago it was Ruby. Then Python came back around. Then Clojure. etc etc. It's never ending. It's funny to watch.
Moar win or GTFO
LOL, retort of the week my friend. That made my day.
You shouldn't mind if I grab your nuts then. Present them for inspection citizen. TOO SMALL CUT THEM OFF!
Yeah agreed. I saw the same thing play out from the sidelines of SAIC with their FBI case file system debacle. You have to meet the users needs and too many of these large projects just go thundering down the path like a crazy elephant. Then they get to the end and ask if everything is good. Good? You just trampled what we do here!
In fairness to them I've been in meetings with government officials and seen displays of terrible ignorance and petty bickering over politics and power. Not once when I was building these systems was I asked if the users were consulted. Only the executives.
My main point was he won't be remembered for his work. He'll be a footnote sitting in a cell for the rest of his life because he challenged the most powerful government in the world and lost, right or wrong.
My opinion? Hell I love to see governments look like fools by exposing the truth, because they are fools. Our leadership, worldwide, has failed us all. if what he's accused of is true then he took a gigantic personal risk to get this information out. He has huge balls and I admire that. How many men can stand against the tide? Barely any these days. It's too easy to buy in and sell out.
If it is, it's a good one.
Node.js + Hadoop + Social networking = instant silicon valley money pit win these days. They don't even care what you make, just make sure you use node.js.
You're right on the money and it's called a Flight progress strip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_progress_strip
Now this I can tend to agree with but there are real time Java systems. I went looking for more information on the runtime and OS used for this EFD system but couldn't find any. Real time is not optional in this situation, IMHO. And when I see symptoms like "not fast enough", I tend to agree with you. They might have used a technology ill suited to the real time nature of ATC and that was the big mistake.
I just think it's too easy to go to that well, the Java is slow well. Those days are past in most cases. But real time? Sheesh that's a gamble I'm not willing to take myself.