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Stenchwarrior writes "I was in the car with my wife and 15-year-old daughter this morning talking about the future of Facebook and how it's likely that they will not be around forever (or at least not at the same capacity as now) and my daughter asked 'Well, what's going to happen to all of my pictures?' It never occurred to her to that Facebook might not be around someday and all of those thousands of photos that she's uploaded might someday be gone. So this is what I ask the good people at Slashdot: What's a good way to preserve all of those memories? Many devices nowadays have direct access to the Internet and even to Facebook and once the images are uploaded they are eventually deleted to make room for more. How do we make sure we can access or backup those files in case Zuckerberg decides to sell out to Google or Microsoft and they do away with everyone's profiles?"
The simple answer to your question would be this.
You can get an entire compilation of every picture, post and conversation your account has had. Emails you a zip file in about 20 minutes
Facebook already has a export feature. Just export and store
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Facebook offers an option to download all of your interactions (photos, posts, messages)
Theyre already gone. All you can do now is download the shitty low res copies facebook keeps
TIAEAE!
I don't understand this article is called 'Facebook Archiving'... Backup is backup whatever you look at it, in this case, you're backing up photographs...They're not *Facebook photographs*, they're just photographs, perhaps ordinary JPGS.
If you want to backup your 'status updates', install Status Net or some twitter clone, then make updates locally with your tool, then get those to sync with twitter and then Facebook...
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There are already a few third-party (for a fee) options out there, or if you have firefox, perhaps this add on for it may do the job for you.
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Facebook is the process of breaking ground on billion dollar data center in Forest City NC. I'm pretty sure you'll have a while before her memories disappear
All the data on Facebook is a gold mine for advertisers and marketers. It will never go avay, even if the data is not on the public internet.
Back them up on MySpace
No panic, all her better pictures are archived on 4chan.
Trolling is a art,
this video shows you all about it, you don't need to be logged in or even have an account to see it.
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150292657680484
If Facebook should go out of business, all of your photos and personal data will be sold to the highest bidder. I'm sure that ACME advertising would love to archive it for you.
It's time for your daughter to realize that her (and our) personal information are what constitutes Facebook's most valuable assets.
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If you have something hosted online, you should always have an offline backup. Look at the gmail account deletion a couple of days ago. Always trust yourself above the web and get a Terabyte hard drive and keep all the pics you want on there as well as on Facebook. You can get one for around $100 bucks and store all the pictures you want to keep.
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Do the same thing you did with 2. Life, Geocities and AOL.
The problem extends itself to online Email, youtube, etc.
Um. Maybe you could do an actual backup ahead of time, just like anything else you want to make sure continues to exist.
There's nothing to worry about. Facebook is too big to fail!
Um, store the original files locally? Any good photos I have are going to be stored on my computer and backed up. Anything I post to Facebook is a low-res copy. Who cares about the wall. If you just have to keep it all in the cloud, use a service designed to store your pics and maybe even pay them something.
that you're asking that question at all is just fail
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall, re Voltaire
I'd think the human brain should be sufficient storage for memories...
Does nobody else think it's just a bit creepy that anybody born from now on is going to have their entire lives documented online?
But if you insist on keeping all your thousands of photos or just want a backup, then pony up the dough to buy your own device instead of relying on Facebook as a storage system.
Isn't that what this site is for?
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
Facebook is meant to share pictures with others, not to be a central location for you to store your photos. They drop the resolution as well as strip them of all the metadata attached, like GPS location information, time taken, etc... And all that info is something you may want later down the road to organize your photos by location or date/time, etc...
Don't make Facebook something it's not.
15-year-old daughter
Don't worry about it. As long as she's between 3 and 16 years old I have all her facebook pictures archived already.
Sounds like she spends too much time archiving life and displaying it on the net instead of living it. Likely this trend will worsen as she ages. Tell her to gtfo, kick her off the pc and smartphone.
I should probably provide an (indirect) answer as I did not answer your question, If you're looking for backup software (which you are), these will probably be a goldmine for ideas:
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Even on Slashdot people ask questions so simple, they can be answered in a 5 second Google search. I don't understand the world anymore.
The first thing is to stop keeping the only copy of pictures and videos on Facebook (or any other social network for that matter). Even when you upload things in hi-res Facebook downsizes them to save storage space. Just keep the original pictures on a computer and backup occasionally to a DVD or external HDD. You solve two problems at once there - safer and better quality.
Granted they are still at risk of fire damage / theft but the only way to make them safer than that is to pay for online storage. All of the free cloud type backup sites have terms and conditions stating that the service may be withdrawn without notice and your data is not guaranteed to be there when you come back for it (although it is very unlikely you will lose things that way, unless you violate the terms of service obviously).
What the author is saying is that there's plenty of devices that opt to "make your life easy" by importing photo's DIRECTLY to facebook, and removing the original(again, in an attempt to "make your life easy").
I think the real problem is unfamiliar users with new technology don't understand that this could(and probably will) happen. They don't understand the difference between: the picture on facebook, and a high-resolution image file on their desktop. The other obvious issue is that Facebook does let you backup(export) your photo's, but only the resized("optimized") version.
There's a lot of argument to be made for people who "actually need to keep those pictures" or the importance of the photo initially. But all the semantic aside, it's irresponsible of device manufactures to rely on Facebook for storage, especially considering what happens to your image once you do import it.
Related to this would be the difficulty for uninformed users to leverage any kind of software to assist them, or new Facebook features(buried deep inside settings configuration, no doubt) to try and deflect this issue. Of corse, there will be a push to "preserve" Facebook after all is said and done -- it still doesn't get a user any closer to their property.
This of corse, on top of the fact that the images uploaded to Facebook aren't even technically yours.
I always wondered if Facebook will charge a fee for you to view archived posts.
Moms post pictures without thinking and then one day realize that Facebook owns their completed diary.
I think Ancestory.com and Facebook will merge in the future.
Seems that someone forgot their meds today.
Backupify (disclosure: I work there) does automated facebook archiving as well as other services. There are many ways to lose data, so more redundancy is usually a win.
I think you are at the wrong website....You said you have a wife.
You might be talking about second life where I too have a wife but she cost me real money through paypal. So nevermind, I understand the story. But now that I think about it how do I backup my second life profile?
CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW TO BACKUP MY SECOND LIFE PROFILE?
http://www.backupify.com/ "Backupify is an all-in-one archiving, search and restore service for the most popular online services including Google Apps, Facebook, Twitter, Picasa and more." There's probably other service like that.
Same way with most of your sites... something like:
wget -r -l 2 -p -k --load-profile [path to your mozilla profile for cookies and passwords] http://facebook.com/
Play with the -l and --accept and --reject to filter out stuff you don't want... unfortunately facebook's undescripted URL format will make this difficult. But wget works quite well to backup your other blog sites, like livejournal, blogspot, and slashdot.
As for myself, I only ever post to facebook via twitter (which also crossposts to buzz and livejournal). There's actually no real content that I post to Facebook directly, I just use it as yet another form of 2-way rss.
I'm worried about a couple hundred animated gifs and flash widgets that I had piled on a myspace profile.
Ask her if she posted tits. If she did the retards on 4chan already archived her stuff.
Why would you want to remember every post and every tweet and every picture? Its a DAMN good things that there is data loss at least for the mundane. I don't want people seeing everything I first posted when I from my first websites and my first forays into the web. LET IT DIE ALREADY YOU FRIGGIN INTERNET VAMPIRES!
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I use Picasa instead of FB for photos.
1) I trust the longevity more. Feel free to disagree.
2) I can upload full resolution images.
3) My friends can download full albums of full resolution images if I've set privacy settings accordingly.
When people post images on FB, I'm always bummed that I can't backup the high quality image myself, and these days people seem to email around photo backups of events far less, and simply tag people on Facebook.
As far as backing up: I have everything important at full res in Picasa, in the cloud, I have them on my computer HD, my iPhone syncs full resolution copies daily, and I keep a regular external HD backup. That all seems pretty safe to me, especially compared to simply expecting FB to keep the sole copy forever.
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A) xampp server does it all
B) blog software with an installer for the brain dead impaired.
C) specialized spider search engine that like sphider.eu you can get permission and have a link to your pics on the net and your blog
DID i just invent the privacy solution...you bet YOUR blog its now up to you , your pics they are staying with you.
First, when you uploaded it you must have had the original, why didn't you save it?
Second, contact Facebook as an advertiser and/or marketeer and they will hand you anything you want (for a price).
Third, ask your favourite 3- or 4 letter agency for info on terrist X...
And lastly, when you wake up from the stupor that made you place all that personal info on Facebook you will find it's impossible to remove what got out on the net :(
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Buy a new one every 3 years for $100 and put all your crap on it.
br. Even better, buy two and keep one in a storage bin or at a relatives in case of a fire or something.
How do we make sure we can access or backup those files in case Zuckerberg decides to sell out to Google or Microsoft and they do away with everyone's profiles?
Just use Google Buzz instead, Google already owns that.
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The short answer is that you treat Facebook, Flickr, and other sites just like you did back in the Good Old Days--as a means of sharing, not as a means of storage. It's fine to upload and share the photos immediately, but you leave them on your device until you dock the device and download them all (in native resolution) to your computer. Then you can remove delete them from the device.
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If google or microsoft buys facebook, it's because they want the users. They'll either keep the system, or migrate the user data to their own systems. It's fucking stupid to think they wouldn't. This is another great example of slashdot approving a worthless story with no merit.
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In my day, we had our own websites, and we were happy.
We had our own writing, our own art and our own photographs (and source code etc.) and we kept a backup on our own PCs. And we owned the copyright on the stuff that we had created ourselves. We put links to other peoples' web sites that we liked.
These young people today don't know know how easy they have it. And I'll tell you another thing, it's so easy for them, they've never had to think for themselves. And they've never had to take any responsibility.
When it all goes horribly wrong, they'll have nothing left and they won't know what to do, and when someone say, "Well, just restore from your backup." They'll say, "What's a backup?"
And you'll say, "The spare copies of everything that you kept for safe-keeping."
And there will be a look of bewilderment on their faces and they'll say, "I didn't know you could do that..."
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How do we make sure we can access or backup those files in case Zuckerberg decides to sell out to Google or Microsoft
Wow. Are there really still people who think this is the worst that can happen with Facebook?
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Just send a FOIA request to NSA or DHS, I'm sure they will keep a backup of all photos, tags, friend relations and pretty much everything else.
10x Blu-Ray burners are down to 89 bucks. 12x for 99. Discs are under $3 each. Burn the pics to bd-r discs; that's what I do.
Just get listed as a suspect in a child porn ring, let the FBI do your dirty work for you.
The Foundation:
http://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/
The Debian Project Page:
http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox
This is a more long-term solution, but think of it as the elegant solution to the problem.
coding is life
Backupify.com is a great way to back up your Facebook account in the cloud (along with Twitter, Picasa, Google Calendar, Google Docs, etc.). You can use the promo code savegmail to get 20 GB of storage free for a whole year.
If you're a reader of slashdot, I'm sure you're aware how far a couple of hard drives (internal and external) and off-site storage will go. Tell her to start copying them to a hard drive, upload them to Facebook, but don't delete them. Start this now and then tell her to go back and download her profile as someone in the thread already mentioned. Simple, really, unless I'm missing something in the question.
In the same vein your daughter's question, what about all the meta data attached to the posted picture itself? For example, everyone that is tagged in the photo, the caption of the photo, and the comments that went along with it. Yes, I would rather want the photo than the extraneous information, but I'm sure someday I'm going to have trouble some people are in those images..
Curious if anyone knows a process for archiving, off site, a Yahoo Group? With the reports of 'Sunsetting' at Yahoo, would like to take a group out of the system. Thanks.
I wish.
I'm more worried nothing will be deleted -- ever.
He said Facebook is a symptom of the overpopulation problem and is killing babies.
Or... something.
This is what I hope a peer to peer social network could solve.
You'd be able to choose a host for your, uh, seed so there's some risk gone. But you could also sync your stuff to an encrypted vault with a few friends, and return the favor to them. That's pretty reliable. And then you could export the archive into a format that lots of people could unpack and use, because there's the original open source manager, and perhaps a bunch of alternatives/competitors using the same protocol like you see with bitTorrent clients.
It's not just about the network of your peers and privacy. It's also owning your lifestream in a format that's still useful five years from now. From there, building out management of a home library is pretty natural, even if it's never shared across the network. I lost almost all of my early journalistic work when my Hotmail account got wiped due to inactivity. That's hard to replace. A consolidated service to both store and share information could be really powerful and universally liked. Facebook is a reasonably effective start at this... but with some inextricable baggage around privacy, ownership and portability.
Diaspora, despite the rocky start, seems to be the most active project working on this. I hope it thrives.
If you can't understand that posting pictures online and then deleting the originals is not common sense, then turn off your computers please.
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speaking of NYCL - presuming that bit in your username stands for NewYorkCountryLawyer; if not, thanks for the segue - where'd he disapppear off to? There used to be regular comments from Mr. Beckerman here on Slashdot.. but it appears ( http://slashdot.org/~NewYorkCountryLawyer ) he hasn't posted here since November last 2010, despite there being several stories on /. on the very subjects he talks about on his site as well.
Did somebody piss the good man off?
Did a court case end up referencing Slashdot posts that made him leery of commenting again?
Got too busy? Too bored? Saw a preview of the new layout and ran away screaming?
Just ask him to make you a copy.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/flickrdown/
I used this a few years ago. worked great. for those who are on flickr, this would be one way to get your photos 'back'.
I see that flickr has banned this software now, though ;( what a shame.
when I had a 'pro' flickr account, I could see all my photos. when I let that expire and go to a free account again, I'm limited to seeing only the last 200 photos even though they were all still there if you knew the url.
so, as my account was about to expire, I ran flickrdown and grabbed the thousands of photos I had uploaded since I started. I did have backups of the originals but they are scattered all over my drives, sadly. getting them all in once place at one time was a nice luxury.
pity flickr banned this. yet another reason I refuse to buy a pro subscr. from flickr ever again. I'll use their free service but they are not worth supporting and if/when they go away, I'll simply go to the next photo host that is in vogue.
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The first thing wrong is that Facebook doesn't have any liability to YOU to keep the information you uploaded online and/or archived. And YOU, expecting Facebook to keep a backup is just moronic. If you upload a photo directly from your cell phone to Facebook, YOU as a Facebook user can't have any reasonable expectation that the photo will stay there, be backed up, or basically anything. It can stay there, it can be taken down, it can disappear without any notice, and if it's published to the public you can't have any expectation that the photo will not be used/copied/shared/drooled on by others that you don't want to have access. The only one responsible for the well being of that photo is YOU, and if you don't save it elsewhere on your own, then you really shouldn't own a cell phone that can take pictures anyhow.
To tell you the truth, it kind of pisses me off that you would rank Zuckerberg more "consumer oriented" than Google. Google gives away 90% of its products for free to end users and Zuckerberg has tried everything he can to rape his consumer without causing unnecessary litigation.
Aren't you uploading the pictures from your PC? Why aren't you keeping copies on your PC? You should be backing them up from there...
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What will happen? The same thing that happened to my AOL, CompuServe and Prodigy profiles. They ascended to a higher plane of consciousness.
Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
Offers free web-based backup for a wide range of social sites: http://www.backupify.com/tour/details/facebook
If you're a Windows user - get Picasa.
If you're a Mac user - iPhoto works great.
If you're a Linux/BSD user - teach her about tar.
#DeleteChrome
Tell her the US Government has a copy of everything and they never go away. With proper identification, she can possibly request the pics under FOIA. ;-)
Where in the hell did the pictures come from to begin with? Why not start with the obvious location (source) and back THAT up.
Sounds to me like opensource MyCube vault is a good solution that allows you to backup all your data from facebook and other social networks continuously to your local computer.
http://mycube.com/vault.html
I use the pro version of SocialSafe, which costs $7. On this page is a table comparing the free and pro versions. I do keep the originals of my photo's on my pc, but I use this tool to preserve what I and others posted on my wall.
One at a time.
And while you're doing that, think about how stupid you were for giving up control of your data in the first place.
Many of use got used to the idea of offsite backups for our local hard drives.
When applications are in "the cloud", you need the opposite: a way to "backdown" in case the provider goes offline or changes the ToS in ways you don't like.
Some kind of sophisticated browser cache might be the best way to do this. I know I've seen some things like that. You'd probably still have to have the cache do slightly different things for different sites; but I think a browser-cache approach is probably a good starting point.
Obviously, there are some types of links that generate virtually infiinite content, so you have to watch out for that; OTOH, the stuff we really care about (pictures, comments about pictures, text) tends to be, in essence, static content. It shouldn't be that difficult to scrape it and archive it locally (famous last words).
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Facebook is quickly becoming a Microsoft of the 90's. It essentially has a monopoly in the Social Network market and it's one of the most respected technology companies as of late. Not to mention it's in a lot more places than any other website, and the vast majority of products. However, they need to come out with another "big thing" for this to last, I actually speculated about this yesterday
http://jantire.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/facebooks-next-big-thing/
I use the service provided by Great Lakes SAN (http://glsan.com). It's a cool service that provides an on-site NAS and sends backups to the cloud to keep for DR purposes.
If Facebook is your primary photo storage mechanism, you have other problems to worry about. Facebook should be a place you put low(er) resolution copies of your photos, or barring that, a place you put your photos after they are put in your long term storage facility. Be that your desktop, a backup system, a remote server, etc... Facebook is, by any definition, NOT the place you want to keep a sole copy of your precious photos.
Once a picture is uploaded to the internet its likely that it will always be there, not matter what.
Yes I can make a hard copy of pictures and text I put on slashdot, and other websites, but the copies get lost, the websites purge the old stuff or disappear completely. My computers loose the stuff on them about once per year. Redundant times 4 or 5 is costly and/or time consuming. Even deciding what we want to keep long term is time consuming. there does not appear to be any good solution. Neil
There should be a word now for this rite of passage - the first time you realize how fragile the web service you depend on is, or even that you depend on it. It is a loss of innocence that you may not be able to prevent. For me it was when I upgraded machines and discovered that the five or six songs I had "bought" from RealPlayer's store (to listen to on my Palm Pilot) were only "mine" if I was willing to go through customer support hell each time I replaced my system or hard drive. .
a business plan?
Second. Don't be silly. IF you want to save status updates....
Our source pictures WERE jpegs weighing 2.5MB for 7MP camera. Uploading to "back'em up" results in resizing and resolution loss: facebook (their retrievable backups at least) is storing them as supposedly no more than 200k*. Most pics retrieved in the 28MB zip were 80k or so... barely acceptable for blowing up and editing, and if it's the first time some of you think about this, then think especially about those ~600 million FBers who don't expect their precious memories to have degraded quality.
There is another issue which FB warns about: if you click around in the resulting site-backup-like file structure you'll find that all the data you were hiding from certain groups is there in the clear, including your full birthdate, association information and so on. This is NOT something you would want someone to steal via social engineering, all nicely pre-packaged to be sold to higher-level scammers.
* The recently changed photo upload dialog compresses photos prior to departure to finish quicker, so FB can no longer "steal" a full size version and shortchange you... FB used to upload your megapixel shots fully in the past, but isn't giving us access to them.
What happens when the Internet dies and then no one has access to their precious photos or data. Too many people have their heads in the clouds. I want hard copies of all my pictures and info lathed in titanium for prosperity...
Data rots.
Depending on the amount of content you want to back-up you could do like me. Rent a dedicated server.
Overkill you think? I'm a photographer and photoshop enthusiast and so is my daughter. Everyone in our family plays at least one musical instrument we have a family band so we back-up those recordings as well. There are currently about 21.000 images on that server last time I checked a few gig of musical related audio and video content.
But the main reason for opting for a dedicated server is privacy I don't trust Facebook or any similar service with my data.
Photograbber downloads all pictures of a contact *hint hint* http://code.google.com/p/photograbber/
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When Facebook goes dark it's likely your pictures are eaten by a grue.
If you were looking to take a back up of your Facebook content, you could do a lot worse than SocialSafe (http://socialsafe.net). Once downloaded, it pulls everything from your Facebook page such as wall posts, status updates, uploaded photos, tagged photos, friend list etc and presents it to you as a viewable off-line diary. The PRO version (which you have to buy) also backs up your Twitter account, so your tweets, followers/following, mentions and in/outbox.
Of course Facebook has it's own backup, but here are the main differences: The Facebook download tool simply provides a basic back-up of a user’s Facebook data, with limited functionality. Each back up is independent, not incremental, and not instantly available. Although provided, it’s a hassle to use regularly. SocialSafe on the other hand, makes incremental back-ups, tracking what’s changed each time. SocialSafe provides a complete and unique viewing experience in the form of a Digital Diary, able to blend data from Facebook and Twitter, and very soon, other social network feeds and real time events.
For more info, and to download the FREE trial version, go to http://socialsafe.net
IMHO, using iPhoto on a Mac with a timemachine backup. And yes one set in the cloud as FB.
True you can use a other system and other software than iphoto. But I find that to be the simplest way to make sure your memories are safe.
Keep pictures in their native high resolution on hard drives/DVD/Blurays.
With all the tiny shred of modesty left inside me, I don't think this deserves to be a Slashdot question, most hi-techies I know either don't have a facebook account or if they do they are a bit ashamed of having one.
I think someone has already figure this out http://mygosscon.oscc.org.my/2010/component/docman/doc_download/72-open-data-private-access
I think it's a more general problem for the Digital Age.
It's not just FaceBook, but a lot of other sites as well. Sourceforge, Flickr, YouTube might be closer to a lot of Slashdotters.
But even if you download and keep a local copy that you back-up. In the longer run the problem becomes reading the old file formats.
A lot of the older stuff I have is in CorelDraw, WordPerfect or older versions on MS Office format. Or even more obscure things.
This question is much bigger than FaceBook. it's about how we keep the things that we don't have on paper any more and keep being able to access them.
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You shouldn't be THAT stupid to store your personal data in the cloud... before uploading directly to FB, save to disk, make back ups, that's the solution.
yeah, that's the way to roll. if you're inconsistent where you place photos they'll end up in multiple collections.
also using multiple services proofs your online connections, so if i'm connected to someone on irc and facebook and occasional email and live meeting, it's quite probable that we can stay connected, even in case of war.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Look, casual people aren't capable of handling their own server and why should they be.
And guess what ? You're note required to be a network guru to have your own blog nowadays. You can go anywhere between your own sever in your basement, through a wordpress installation on a web host that you pay, all the way up to blog provider where you only have to sign-in. The problem isn't the technical know how, but the links.
Also, it would mean that it all gets non-organized and you have to follow several different sites, nor can you plan events or use any other social features that Facebook offers. [...] Facebook handles it in a non-intrusive way.
But in a very proprietary and non-interface-able way. E-mail works well (well, almost. Due to spam, it's hard to host a mail server in your basement on a DSL IP), because there's a standard. Chat starts to work this way thanks to XMPP. Blogs feature RSS and ping backs. Etc.
Yes people need all this organised well. Yes that's why it can't be done with blogs/albums/etc. alone because the social link and relevance isn't supported on those platforms. ...but....
People are fundamentally locked to FaceBook, because there's no otherway this could be done currently. No way for something outside FB to interact with it. Users from Hi5, StudiVZ, Bebo, etc. can't interoperate with Facebook.
For people to be in charge of their own data, they need to have solution that can interoperate, no matter where deployed.
Diaspora is an attempt to fix this.
Geeks could run theire local copy in their basement server.
Casual users could use large scale providers and pay no attention to the minute administrative detail.
And no single entity would hold the control of all this.
But that takes time until it matures into a complete solution. Until it can smoothly and progressively replace the statu quo.
On the other hand, thanks to the regular blunders of FaceBook, we're sure that FaceBook will keep providing their own reasons to quit them. If a distributed solution matures enough and is in good shape to sit into its position, it might slowly start replacing facebook during their next blunder.
Just use it correctly and see how great Facebook is.
And you should realise that, the day Zuckerberg blows a mental fuse, all could go away on a whim. FB is centralised and that's where the problems comes from.
Anti-FB don't criticise FB's usefulness. They criticise how it's both centralised and completely closed.
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there's this new technology called "photographic printing" what it does is it takes your pictures, and puts them on paper!
they can last over 100 years that way!
it's awesome!
i use these guys:
www.tricolorlab.com
Why would you ever consider that a repository for your photos? It's a place to share them, but that sure as hell is not where you want to store them for keep sake. When you upload photos to FB they are down rez'd. The image quality of them is lost. That reason alone is why you should NEVER consider it a long term store for your records. Read the fine print, it's explained.
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To all those posting snarky comments...remember that the "user" here is a 15-yr old. Give her a break.
And FWIW: I second the mention of Backupify (www.backupify.com). It will do this (a) automatically, and (b) as a service, keeping the data "in the cloud" so she won't need PC storage (so 20th century!).
Most devices made these days have something called a "hard disk drive," which can store data. Amazingly, the "data" is actually inside your own computer when stored on these "hard disk drives," and will survive even if the Internet turns off. You can even use "removable storage" options to keep your photos on a DVD, but this is only for advanced users since DVDs are really for movies.
I think is is odd that this poster things Facebook will be going away some time soon. Forever is a long time and I am sure it will change over time, but Facebook is a great service that a lot of people love, including myself. Facebook seems to be getting more and more popular. I really doubt the core Facebook service will be discontinued. If anything there will be competing services, but FB definitely has an advantage because so many people use it and a lot of people only have time for one FB type site. Sometimes FB is overly hyped. I do think it is a little overkill the way every commercial website also has a FB page. However, I enjoy FB every day. I love the way I can easily keep up with my relatives and my friends from different parts of my life. My Facebook news feed is a much more satisfying read than the national news sites. Also I think most of the criticism of Zuckerburg is sour grapes. He is a 26 year old who invented and successfully brought to market a very successful product that a lot of people really use and enjoy. Not too many people can claim that. FB also generated many jobs and changed the way people communicate and connect. Pretty impressive stuff for kid under 30, and so what if it wasnt' 100% his invention or business savy that made FB successful. Business is a team effort. No one succeeds 100% solo. If FB is imperfect, oh well. Don't use it or work with it. FB is not the end all be all, but it is an great service that many people like and expect will continue to use. As for the photo issue, most people who upload photos to FB will have the photos on their local computer. 15 year olds are usually clueless about a lot of things, so it hardly shocking that this girl would not know that. I think is more shocking that her parents are so certain that FB will not last. Exactly what facts support that?
Giving the one and only copy to another party is risks losing it. Basic life lesson.
Hasn't she read the Terms of Use? By posting the pictures on Facebook they're no longer hers.
That's why I use SocialSafe! It backs up everything off my facebook account (photos, wall posts, messages, tagged photos, statuses, friends, etc.) It runs on Mac and Windows and also backs up Twitter accounts :D
You should look at the Diaspora project. It's a bit immature now, but shows promise. Also, you could make sure to use something like Carbonite and local backups cycled periodically through a safety-deposit box.
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iPhoto doesn't work great, it locks all your photos in a proprietary data structure that is difficult to extract the original images from. Fine until (a) iPhoto support is discontinued (b) Apple goes tits up or (c) a latent bug corrupts proprietary data structure leaving you with a bunch of files you can't recover your data from. I speak as someone who has already been forced to make iPhoto rebuild its indexes manually on more than one occasion.
I really like the cloud computing concept and I thing as we move into the future we will be even more cloud based in our day to day computing, however data that is important you should back up locally. I have been using this cloud base free OS lately and I love it, check it out.
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Keeping local copies of everything on disks. CD-RW's are throw away cheap now so there is really no legitimate reason to lose any data that you want to keep.
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