Right on, man. Good post. I wish I had some points to mod you up. Programming is a full-time job, you either do it or you don't. You can't go into management or any other profession and do some programming on the side. Well, you can, if you expect the program to be used only by yourself. Even experienced programmers lose the quality after a long period of no coding.
My guess is, you are not very familiar with web development. I agree with the parent post - JBuilder generated GUI code is awful, but please don't say bad things about guys at Macromedia. Dreamweaver is the cleanest HTML editor I've ever used, it will never, ever add any tags which are not necessary, does not clutter the file and is a pure joy to read. It is smart enough that you can transfer HTML content around at it makes sure nothing is fucked up. Even if you give it some bad HTML, it can recover and clean it up quite well.
So, you are right about JBuilder, 100%, but Dreamweaver is a great tool.
P.S. I should not be writing all this, but preparing for the exam in three days.:( Good luck guys.
I predict that the SWT libraries will not only get quite expansive... but include things other than GUI widgets/toolkits
SWT library already does include GUI widgets/toolkit.
You are right though, saying that it is immature. We've been doing some serious development on SWT trying to convert full featured application from AWT to SWT. So far it's been going great.
However, here's a warning for all of you Java developers: there's quite a few things you still can't do. All Table work is a terrible hassle, there's no easy way of changing colors in single table cells and table functionality is very, very limited. We were able to improve some of that, but that actually ment implementing our own widgets for table. Anyways, it is pretty bad. Hopefully in 2.2 version (next year) they will solve some of the problems.
If anyone from Eclipse development community is reading, please, focus more not on the new features (cheat lists, wizards and stuff), but try to actually make SWT a reacher platform, there's a lot of work that needs to be done.
At the end, I wanted to summarize my opinion of SWT, which is not really what this topic is about. But here it goes: it is a great platform and a great concept (using native libraries and not drawing everything like Swing does). And you are correct - this will/could be Java's savior on the client. But anyone who would want to write a serious application in SWT should think twice before that, wheigh down all pros/cons and also try writing a prototype to make sure that it you can implement anything that you want.
One of the biggest innovations of SWT is a library called JFace, which hides a lot of basic/low level GUI functionality under an interface that is sort of a Model-View-Controller framework. This idea is brilliant, and this framework is just a pleasure to work with.;)
Anyways, enough with the rambling.. Happy Christmass, everybody!
Sorry guys, but this is seriously old news.. You can't call this a Christmass gift or anything. Our company's been using it for a year already (with a free license) and I personally have developed couple of plugins for it. Nevertheless, this is the best tool I've used, and really, thanks IBM for doing such a great and generous job. My point is - this is not really news, and have nothing to do with Christmass. Cheers.
I think my message will be lost in this discussion, but I cry out to bring attention to SWT.
Java client is not dead, yes, AWT and Swing suck, and decent application can not be written in this monstrosity of a GUI platform. What disappoints me is that Slashdot community in general does not know about SWT, which is IBM's GUI that is using native interfaces. It is very responsive and goes head to head with MVC plus all standard Java goodies.
Please post below your personal experience with SWT so we could notice something worth noticing. I strongly believe SWT will save Java on the client side!!!
This is the tool I swear by, and would actually pay some money if required.
IBM released this 40 million dollar project for free, and I believe it got to market just by a word of mouth mostly, and being free. This IDE does the job right, now other Java IDE comes even close. It is fast, great interface, and people behind it really listened to all the IDE complaints and tried fixing most of them.
I tend to agree. I did not like this trailer, the only good parts were Wolverine crying and running around and also Magneto and professor talking in that room. Everything else seemed to hectic, and they did not show any characters or special effects.. So what if there are guys with guns going around school and some guy makes a car explode.
I believe the trailer failed to deliver the excitement of X-Men II.
I am not saying that should cram all the special effects into it, take a look at The Hulk trailer (Apple website), there's not much there, but it really makes you want to go and see the movie!!!
May I suggest to include SWT into next release, this GUI implementation is far more superior than Swing, much cleaner and faster. For more information please go to: www.eclipse.org
The reason is quite simple - as in any computer product, most of the time all money is spent on technology and advertising, leaving no money for proper visual design. Some big companies, such as Apple and Sony actually spent time and money making sure the product looks good.
Oh, and many technical managers are good at mechanics/development process and lack visual creativity that professional designer have; but in most cases that would refuse to agree to that and think they know better.
I would not bet on it. Sorry, but I believe that when it will actually come to buying, Slashdot or AMD loving community will not be enough to make a difference. Mod me down if you disagree.:(
Yeah.. Poor Futurama never got the chance.. it had a bad spot.. blah-blah-blah.. Futurama was/is not so good in the first place. I know I am going to get modded down for that, but here goes the rant:
Yes Futurama is funny, especially the first episodes, but after awhile it lost its edge - last week they showed 5 episodes back to back instead of Saturday Night Live and I've tryed watching them (most of them were new for me - I stopped watching them half a year ago). Anyways, I could not sit through them, they got absolutely boring, all jokes are weak and similar: Bender is saying 'ass' and drinks and smokes and steals, Fry is dumb pizza boy, and so on. They only ones that are funny are: Zoidberg, professor, and Leela is just hot.
Family Guy has a bad spot, but it is the funniest show there is at this moment - they are well into their fourth season and they have not lost their edge. You can feel how much thought and preparation goes into every episode.
This could've been important 2 years ago, but now nobody in management really cares about your special needs. Tough market and economy means that you either take it or leave it, my way or highway..
Time has passed when programmers/developers were given Aeron chairs and cappuchino machines. Now we are expected to work long hours and accept any conditions for what they are.
I am sure this is going to start a flame, but I really think so. Once you, my friend, will get into management, you will understand that your priorities will always be more important than of your developers, you will see that your decisions will make more sense to you and you'll push for that.
Slashdot Mirror
Hey.. This story should've been printed on April 1st.. Too early.
Suddenly we find out that 60% of bacterial computer manufacturing has been outsourced to India and China.
This is guy has gone backwards...not forwards, upwards not forwards, and always twirling twirling twirling towards freedom.
Right on, man. Good post. I wish I had some points to mod you up. Programming is a full-time job, you either do it or you don't. You can't go into management or any other profession and do some programming on the side. Well, you can, if you expect the program to be used only by yourself. Even experienced programmers lose the quality after a long period of no coding.
jbuilder is like dreamweaver for java
:(
My guess is, you are not very familiar with web development. I agree with the parent post - JBuilder generated GUI code is awful, but please don't say bad things about guys at Macromedia. Dreamweaver is the cleanest HTML editor I've ever used, it will never, ever add any tags which are not necessary, does not clutter the file and is a pure joy to read. It is smart enough that you can transfer HTML content around at it makes sure nothing is fucked up. Even if you give it some bad HTML, it can recover and clean it up quite well.
So, you are right about JBuilder, 100%, but Dreamweaver is a great tool.
P.S. I should not be writing all this, but preparing for the exam in three days.
Good luck guys.
I predict that the SWT libraries will not only get quite expansive... but include things other than GUI widgets/toolkits
;)
SWT library already does include GUI widgets/toolkit.
You are right though, saying that it is immature. We've been doing some serious development on SWT trying to convert full featured application from AWT to SWT. So far it's been going great.
However, here's a warning for all of you Java developers: there's quite a few things you still can't do. All Table work is a terrible hassle, there's no easy way of changing colors in single table cells and table functionality is very, very limited. We were able to improve some of that, but that actually ment implementing our own widgets for table. Anyways, it is pretty bad. Hopefully in 2.2 version (next year) they will solve some of the problems.
If anyone from Eclipse development community is reading, please, focus more not on the new features (cheat lists, wizards and stuff), but try to actually make SWT a reacher platform, there's a lot of work that needs to be done.
At the end, I wanted to summarize my opinion of SWT, which is not really what this topic is about. But here it goes: it is a great platform and a great concept (using native libraries and not drawing everything like Swing does). And you are correct - this will/could be Java's savior on the client. But anyone who would want to write a serious application in SWT should think twice before that, wheigh down all pros/cons and also try writing a prototype to make sure that it you can implement anything that you want.
One of the biggest innovations of SWT is a library called JFace, which hides a lot of basic/low level GUI functionality under an interface that is sort of a Model-View-Controller framework. This idea is brilliant, and this framework is just a pleasure to work with.
Anyways, enough with the rambling.. Happy Christmass, everybody!
Sorry guys, but this is seriously old news.. You can't call this a Christmass gift or anything. Our company's been using it for a year already (with a free license) and I personally have developed couple of plugins for it.
Nevertheless, this is the best tool I've used, and really, thanks IBM for doing such a great and generous job. My point is - this is not really news, and have nothing to do with Christmass.
Cheers.
Sorry, but these "gifts" do suck. Most stuff on ThinkGeek is ten times better (especially those cars).
Thanks for not posting a link to that page.
Awesome
I think my message will be lost in this discussion, but I cry out to bring attention to SWT.
Java client is not dead, yes, AWT and Swing suck, and decent application can not be written in this monstrosity of a GUI platform. What disappoints me is that Slashdot community in general does not know about SWT, which is IBM's GUI that is using native interfaces. It is very responsive and goes head to head with MVC plus all standard Java goodies.
Please post below your personal experience with SWT so we could notice something worth noticing. I strongly believe SWT will save Java on the client side!!!
This is the tool I swear by, and would actually pay some money if required.
IBM released this 40 million dollar project for free, and I believe it got to market just by a word of mouth mostly, and being free. This IDE does the job right, now other Java IDE comes even close. It is fast, great interface, and people behind it really listened to all the IDE complaints and tried fixing most of them.
I tend to agree. I did not like this trailer, the only good parts were Wolverine crying and running around and also Magneto and professor talking in that room. Everything else seemed to hectic, and they did not show any characters or special effects.. So what if there are guys with guns going around school and some guy makes a car explode.
I believe the trailer failed to deliver the excitement of X-Men II.
I am not saying that should cram all the special effects into it, take a look at The Hulk trailer (Apple website), there's not much there, but it really makes you want to go and see the movie!!!
May I suggest to include SWT into next release, this GUI implementation is far more superior than Swing, much cleaner and faster. For more information please go to: www.eclipse.org
who else already has something much better in a nice small, concealable package
:)
Don't know about you, but this sure does sound funny to me.
The reason is quite simple - as in any computer product, most of the time all money is spent on technology and advertising, leaving no money for proper visual design. Some big companies, such as Apple and Sony actually spent time and money making sure the product looks good.
Oh, and many technical managers are good at mechanics/development process and lack visual creativity that professional designer have; but in most cases that would refuse to agree to that and think they know better.
How about suing Adobe Photoshop used to make this image (or some other imaging tool)?
Who should be the members of such a crew if it were to be launched
How about a rock band or a pop band like N'Sync? Or even better, we already know the bad ass crew from Armageddon!
Who moded this as Interesting???? This is pure flaimbait. C'mon. Microsoft - supporting evil.. Grow up. PS2 - quantity, Nintendo - quality???
I would not bet on it. Sorry, but I believe that when it will actually come to buying, Slashdot or AMD loving community will not be enough to make a difference. :(
Mod me down if you disagree.
It is actually a pretty good idea. I am in favor.
Yeah.. Poor Futurama never got the chance.. it had a bad spot.. blah-blah-blah.. Futurama was/is not so good in the first place. I know I am going to get modded down for that, but here goes the rant:
.2
Yes Futurama is funny, especially the first episodes, but after awhile it lost its edge - last week they showed 5 episodes back to back instead of Saturday Night Live and I've tryed watching them (most of them were new for me - I stopped watching them half a year ago). Anyways, I could not sit through them, they got absolutely boring, all jokes are weak and similar: Bender is saying 'ass' and drinks and smokes and steals, Fry is dumb pizza boy, and so on. They only ones that are funny are: Zoidberg, professor, and Leela is just hot.
Family Guy has a bad spot, but it is the funniest show there is at this moment - they are well into their fourth season and they have not lost their edge. You can feel how much thought and preparation goes into every episode.
Anyways, just my
This could've been important 2 years ago, but now nobody in management really cares about your special needs. Tough market and economy means that you either take it or leave it, my way or highway..
Time has passed when programmers/developers were given Aeron chairs and cappuchino machines. Now we are expected to work long hours and accept any conditions for what they are.
I am sure this is going to start a flame, but I really think so. Once you, my friend, will get into management, you will understand that your priorities will always be more important than of your developers, you will see that your decisions will make more sense to you and you'll push for that.
You could do the same thing in first Larry.
Usually bicycles don't cost as much as cars.