With these statistics, it's just damn clear that the average Android user isn't using their phones for anything but "dumb phone with nice screen+keyboard" activities.
But your approach would bankrupt the company. Prior to Elop taking over, it was pretty damn clear Symbian, MeeGo/Maemo/Harmatten was doomed.
I think you're right that Microsoft played some dirty tricks with Elop(the conflicts of interest are glaring), but I think you're wrong that WinPhone 7 is junk.
The problem with Nokia is that they dont' have any clear vision. The N9 is clearly an example. If I was Elop anything that wasn't Windows Phone or feature phone would've had the axe immediately. Hell, I would axe shitty feature phones. I know the impact on emerging regions would be horrific, but, take the current designs, open them up to local firms and have them build it. It's clear that feature phones with slim margins isn't going to keep the company afloat.
If we can't make the argument for general purpose computing then we get what we deserve.
Most users never wanted freedom, they wanted to get work done or enjoy themselves. Unfortunately you don't need freedom for that. This is why the loss of basic and HyperCard doesn't matter.
The tech industry as we see it now proves you've got to put out good product first THEN make it cheap. Not make cheap hardware now THEN make it good product.
Dianne Hackborn(and well, anyone who's working on Android's UI) is friggin' pathetic.
The first Android device shipped well after the first AND second iPhones and they decided to ship a version of Android that very much feels like a cheap iOS ripoff. Given that there was the touch prototype(after Apple demonstrated touch on the phone) and the BlackBerry like prototype... it feels like there was a massive change in priorities. A mad rush? No.
MeeGo, Symbian^3 and WebOS all feel like they took cues from iOS, but it never felt like a cheap ripoff. The UIs feel good, yet in the Android ecosystem, the UI doesn't. Period. How did Nokia and Palm figure out something Google doesn't get? I think MG/Symbian/WebOS had their problems, but, UX? Feeling like a rushed clone of iOS? Not one of them.
Android feels like it's trying to play catch up with Android after all these years. The only thing Apple's done is steal the pull down notification bar.
This would be relevant, but the only cable you REALLY need from Apple if you want to exist in an Apple hardware only ecosystem that's proprietary(aside from power connectors), is the iPod sync cable, and it's so standard everyone's making them.
Everyone else NOT making thunderbolt cables doesn't count. It's a darn near free standard to implement for cable makers. Sure it's expensive, given how much active electronics are in it... But proprietary? Nah.
Nor are they really even making "big bucks" selling those adapters. They're just not losing money on every unit sold.
I hate Apple's approach to patent wars, but you gotta admit, between how Microsoft is handling building their own patent troll and the way Apple did it...
Apple built the thinnest, lightest, most elegant patent troll. Microsoft, OTOH, hamhandedly threw a LOT of money at Darl McBride. Even in their shady shitty business practices Apple shows a sense of style!
Yeah, it went through a lot of bad times, but China didn't experience something akin to the Meiji era. and in most recent history, China's been ruled by a truly horrible autocratic society.
I could be wrong in both my interpretation of history and in my foresight into the future, however, I'm willing to go fifty fifty on a cheap bet on it.
to throw it all off I'm going to use Jewish wrapping paper to wrap pressed ham in a can, or Christian wrapping paper to wrap books about evolution or by Christopher Hitchens.
Well, the difference between then and now is pure xenophobia versus some xenophobia mixed in with some real observations.
History is not inevitable. It may have even been true that the Japanese did ape American and European designs, but what will differentiate the Japanese design renaissance and a Chinese one is that Japan wasn't under the control of an autocratic government like China is, nor is their history full of autocrats and strict living.
Some? sure, and it's enough for us in the west to see it as restrictive.
A lot? not enough to stifle innovation and progress. Nissan's able to make a AWD car that is faster around the Nurburgring than Porsche's flagship model that costs twice as much. Sony, Mitsubishi, Hitachi, Yamaha, et al are doing similar work. In Korea? LG, Samsung and so forth are also in the same boat.
Will a Chinese firm do the same? Only time will tell; but I'm willing to bet no. And only 10 bucks because it's possible I could be very wrong.
That'd be a neat proposition. But when you're #1 in your field and you use this to unfairly bash in people trying to compete... Then we have a problem.
I mean, Yelp content scraping? Undercutting costs on Android so they can bolster their own ad and search business(iOS is doing fine but what of WebOS, MeeGo and WinPhone 7?).
Sure, it's the unproductive politicians that are the problem. Not monopolists abusing their power. Or as Ayn Rand calls, "A wet dream."
err, not true. You can hit the home button on iOS1.0 and use apps that way. What you couldn't do is run anything other than SMS, Phone or play music in the background.
iOS has been capable of multitasking since 1.0, there just wasn't any sort of hook to do it via 3rd party apps until iOS 3.
err, are you arguing for something like XNA and the App Market/iTunes App Store? or are you arguing that they should just open up consoles adhoc?
One is a great idea, but, with Ken Kutaragi not around anymore and Microsoft sabotaging their own efforts... I doubt we'll see this anytime soon.
The other is moronic. Sure, fiddling around is great for folks like us, but, it's going to be abused, and it's going to ruin game play experience.
I don't know how long it can last, and I'll be honest, it kind of scares me, but opening things up isn't the solution. Not adhoc. Bringing in indie developers not tied to massive development houses fixes some of the problems but the underlying problems that drove us to where we are, but the ultimate problem is that gamers want this.
Gamers like games like COD and Halo. It's them you need to bemoan as being the problem. They are the problem.
Maybe instead of alienating them you should learn the finer points of rhetoric and try to convince them rather than tilting and windmills and shouting at the rain.
Depending on the context, yes. If I'm at a anime/comic con, who knows what people will be playing. If I'm on the bus or train? I've definitely got what I want to play in mind before I leave my apartment.
The idea that I can't play a game because I don't own a console sucks. Although the 360 makes it suck more because I really hate the console.
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With these statistics, it's just damn clear that the average Android user isn't using their phones for anything but "dumb phone with nice screen+keyboard" activities.
But your approach would bankrupt the company. Prior to Elop taking over, it was pretty damn clear Symbian, MeeGo/Maemo/Harmatten was doomed.
I think you're right that Microsoft played some dirty tricks with Elop(the conflicts of interest are glaring), but I think you're wrong that WinPhone 7 is junk.
The problem with Nokia is that they dont' have any clear vision. The N9 is clearly an example. If I was Elop anything that wasn't Windows Phone or feature phone would've had the axe immediately. Hell, I would axe shitty feature phones. I know the impact on emerging regions would be horrific, but, take the current designs, open them up to local firms and have them build it. It's clear that feature phones with slim margins isn't going to keep the company afloat.
Employee of the month happens every month but when you or your friends nab it it's nice.
I don't think Sony gives two left shits about Anons.
It's probably when Kotaku and the rest of the gaming news media caught on to who's supporting SOPA did they shit their pants.
Earlier in the Corey Doctorow thread I suggested closed platforms are our fault. That perhaps we hadn't made the case well enough.
I think though. We made a victory here.
I used to hack at an old sparc station that sat in the corner unused at University.
The difference between that machine and my phone is that I don't have to call 911 on the sparc.
If we can't make the argument for general purpose computing then we get what we deserve.
Most users never wanted freedom, they wanted to get work done or enjoy themselves. Unfortunately you don't need freedom for that. This is why the loss of basic and HyperCard doesn't matter.
Most car thieves are professional, prompt, intelligent...
Yeah I wouldn't compare him to a car thief either. A car jacker? Maybe.
they can make money other than on the hardware;
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
no.
The tech industry as we see it now proves you've got to put out good product first THEN make it cheap. Not make cheap hardware now THEN make it good product.
Really? iTunes doesn't compare to the shit like VCast or whatever your American carrier of choice's shovelware was.
Never had a problem with iTunes on Windows or Mac. *shrug* You can install all the third party DRM free MP3s and videos you want on an iPhone.
Dianne Hackborn(and well, anyone who's working on Android's UI) is friggin' pathetic.
The first Android device shipped well after the first AND second iPhones and they decided to ship a version of Android that very much feels like a cheap iOS ripoff. Given that there was the touch prototype(after Apple demonstrated touch on the phone) and the BlackBerry like prototype... it feels like there was a massive change in priorities. A mad rush? No.
MeeGo, Symbian^3 and WebOS all feel like they took cues from iOS, but it never felt like a cheap ripoff. The UIs feel good, yet in the Android ecosystem, the UI doesn't. Period. How did Nokia and Palm figure out something Google doesn't get? I think MG/Symbian/WebOS had their problems, but, UX? Feeling like a rushed clone of iOS? Not one of them.
Android feels like it's trying to play catch up with Android after all these years. The only thing Apple's done is steal the pull down notification bar.
This would be relevant, but the only cable you REALLY need from Apple if you want to exist in an Apple hardware only ecosystem that's proprietary(aside from power connectors), is the iPod sync cable, and it's so standard everyone's making them.
Everyone else NOT making thunderbolt cables doesn't count. It's a darn near free standard to implement for cable makers. Sure it's expensive, given how much active electronics are in it... But proprietary? Nah.
Nor are they really even making "big bucks" selling those adapters. They're just not losing money on every unit sold.
I hate Apple's approach to patent wars, but you gotta admit, between how Microsoft is handling building their own patent troll and the way Apple did it...
Apple built the thinnest, lightest, most elegant patent troll. Microsoft, OTOH, hamhandedly threw a LOT of money at Darl McBride. Even in their shady shitty business practices Apple shows a sense of style!
Truly comparatively?
Yeah, it went through a lot of bad times, but China didn't experience something akin to the Meiji era. and in most recent history, China's been ruled by a truly horrible autocratic society.
I could be wrong in both my interpretation of history and in my foresight into the future, however, I'm willing to go fifty fifty on a cheap bet on it.
to throw it all off I'm going to use Jewish wrapping paper to wrap pressed ham in a can, or Christian wrapping paper to wrap books about evolution or by Christopher Hitchens.
Well, the difference between then and now is pure xenophobia versus some xenophobia mixed in with some real observations.
History is not inevitable. It may have even been true that the Japanese did ape American and European designs, but what will differentiate the Japanese design renaissance and a Chinese one is that Japan wasn't under the control of an autocratic government like China is, nor is their history full of autocrats and strict living.
Some? sure, and it's enough for us in the west to see it as restrictive.
A lot? not enough to stifle innovation and progress. Nissan's able to make a AWD car that is faster around the Nurburgring than Porsche's flagship model that costs twice as much. Sony, Mitsubishi, Hitachi, Yamaha, et al are doing similar work. In Korea? LG, Samsung and so forth are also in the same boat.
Will a Chinese firm do the same? Only time will tell; but I'm willing to bet no. And only 10 bucks because it's possible I could be very wrong.
Look at it's browser to see what it actually does.
It's not a matter of formfactor or size with the playbook.
The software was garbage.
Chicken Little was the worst book to film adaptation EVER.
I demanded my money back.
The 9860 was years after iPhone, and a year well after the G1 and years after the Android touch prototype.
The QNX tablet stunk. It got a lot of positive press until users found out what a dog it is.
That'd be a neat proposition. But when you're #1 in your field and you use this to unfairly bash in people trying to compete... Then we have a problem.
I mean, Yelp content scraping? Undercutting costs on Android so they can bolster their own ad and search business(iOS is doing fine but what of WebOS, MeeGo and WinPhone 7?).
Sure, it's the unproductive politicians that are the problem. Not monopolists abusing their power. Or as Ayn Rand calls, "A wet dream."
err, not true. You can hit the home button on iOS1.0 and use apps that way. What you couldn't do is run anything other than SMS, Phone or play music in the background.
iOS has been capable of multitasking since 1.0, there just wasn't any sort of hook to do it via 3rd party apps until iOS 3.
err, the iPhone came out in 2007, the N900 came out in 2009 and the patent was filed in 2008.
No, the N900 is NOT prior art. It's a posteri art.
I think there's something more to this story, but hey, this is Slashdot, who needs nuance?
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
wait! you can't just leave out the prequels.
Well, okay this is slashdot, so maybe you can. But they're ripe for so many punny things.
- The Phantom Gank
- Attack of the Multiboxers
- Revenge of the Griefer.
err, are you arguing for something like XNA and the App Market/iTunes App Store? or are you arguing that they should just open up consoles adhoc?
One is a great idea, but, with Ken Kutaragi not around anymore and Microsoft sabotaging their own efforts... I doubt we'll see this anytime soon.
The other is moronic. Sure, fiddling around is great for folks like us, but, it's going to be abused, and it's going to ruin game play experience.
I don't know how long it can last, and I'll be honest, it kind of scares me, but opening things up isn't the solution. Not adhoc. Bringing in indie developers not tied to massive development houses fixes some of the problems but the underlying problems that drove us to where we are, but the ultimate problem is that gamers want this.
Gamers like games like COD and Halo. It's them you need to bemoan as being the problem. They are the problem.
Maybe instead of alienating them you should learn the finer points of rhetoric and try to convince them rather than tilting and windmills and shouting at the rain.
Depending on the context, yes. If I'm at a anime/comic con, who knows what people will be playing. If I'm on the bus or train? I've definitely got what I want to play in mind before I leave my apartment.
The idea that I can't play a game because I don't own a console sucks. Although the 360 makes it suck more because I really hate the console.