I said sometimes and also referenced everyday tasks. Are you transcoding video on a daily basis?
If you're a person who's transcoding video, then sure, one core i7 with less cores but higher frequency will do the job better than another core i7 with more cores and lower frequency.
But if you're looking for a machine to do office suite docs, browse the web, email, etc. then comparing machines based on does this machine have a Core M vs Core M becomes irrelevant. You have to think about things like build quality and overall design.
For a lot of things a computer gets used for these days by common users, looking at spec sheets isn't enough. It's been that way for a long time and now we've reached an interesting place where this point is coming down to how the boards and chips are layed out.
Because when everything pages out or in everything will feel smoother than using a sata SSD. If you're going to spend PCIE lanes on having the sata controller, might as well skip the controller and just use a PCI E SSD.
I don't think they do actually. When techies are screaming about how Apple products are overpriced, then start suggesting things that should have higher specs but the usability on them is shit because they built the device based on a checklist and not actually thinking about how anyone's going to use it...
That's why I compared it to modern cards which generally range from about 130 to 200 HP, with most ranging near 150 HP.
Simply put, we've got "sufficient" memory bandwidth and latency times that for most use cases, it doesn't matter.
My point was that we need to start evaluating machines based on the whole gestalt of the build and not just, "oh this has X, Y, and Z parts therefore it will perform in some certain way."
It's something some of us Apple fans have long figured out is that individual specs sometimes are completely meaningless.
Having a Core i7 will not actually feel more responsive in everyday tasks compared to a Core M if the i7 is paired with a spinning rust disk and the Core M has a PCI E SSD.
Similarly, just looking at the chip in the machine might not tell us everything if we don't know anything about how it's handling cooling or what specific design choices were made.
We're on the verge of reaching the 150HP car of computing. Don't really need much more for most tasks unless you're doing heavy lifting or looking to have fun, and even a lot of good clean fun can be had at 150HP.
You could always choose another insurer, you could choose to pay out of pocket
Even if we went with the libertarian ideal of deregulation and lowered the bar to entry, no. That doesn't solve the problem of restricted access to care. What happens is that people who can't pay *still* get less care because no one will cover them.
Paying out of pocket is right out because of how fucking expensive it is in the US to get health care.
If you knew your computing sciences history, you'd know that Grace Hopper isn't a cherry picked example. Systems programming was considered women's work for decades.
Lots of women were ignored for their contributions to STEM.
Lots of women are, not surprisingly, leaving STEM because of attitudes like yours.
Because that discussion is unrelated to whether or not it's OK to SWAT someone.
It is true, that policing in this country is heavily militarized and with rampant abuses, but that doesn't change the fact that intentionally SWATing someone is fucking atrocious too.
Yeah, Grace Hopper totally got into computing for the dolla dolla billz.
Oh wait, no she didn't. Your argument relies entirely on ignoring the fact that from birth until college, women are explicitly and forcefully discouraged from going into STEM fields. They're sexually harassed when they do make it over the hurdles and then called liars, cheats, and interlopers when they make it and ignore the bullshit.
This is an amazing comment because in your argument about how women are just in it for the money you actually prove the argument that women are treated like shit.
I don't know if you're just trolling, pulling Poe's Law, or a shithead.
It's not too little, too late if you consider that the alternative is to rely on either Apple for WebKit, Mozilla for Gecko, or Google for Blink, etc.
If this new browser's point is to have a browser that you can use when you turn the machine on and have everywhere no matter what machine you're using, then it's not too little, too late.
Too little, too late would be Mac, Linux and Android ports of IE10.
This isn't Ballmer or Gates' Microsoft. It's Satya Nadella's and I think he gets it more than they did.
This surprised me. Then I thought about it, searched my entries in Movable Type, and realized Iâ(TM)ve only linked to Gigaom once in the last six months, and four times in the last 12 months. I used to link to reporting at Gigaom a couple of times every month. Theyâ(TM)ve been going downhill for a while.
it used to be that your phone was mounted to your wall and never taken outside of the house unless you had a really really long cord.
Things change man. It'll be up to the market to decide who wants one. you clearly don't. I want one because there are things I don't want to fish into my pocket for, like changing what I'm listening to in my podcast player or checking maps.
not all white men are the heads of companies, running Fortune 500 companies, congressional officials, police chiefs, etc.
But very few non-white, non-men are.
That's why. It's not racism because when a black person calls you names to hurt your feelings, they also don't have the weight of systemic racial biases behind it. They call you names and that's it.
Except on neither the Rolex, Tag Heuer, or Timex can I check my email or use maps to figure out where I am. There's a slab of electronics behind the glass that you don't find in either of them. I'm willing to bet the next few generations of Apple watch will have the same mounting points for the bands so all you have to do is just buy another 250/350 dollar robotic core and resync to your phone when it's time to upgrade.
I'm also not expecting to see a yearly upgrade cycle with this thing either, given that it's battery constrained. Unless a process shrink or some new design technique greatly improves CPU performance while offering the same or better battery life
Everyone wants to scream at Apple for being a fashion brand, but the truth is is that if they were, they'd be Vertu. All gold and sapphire buttons with no real substance running some bland OS with crappy software on top.
Apple's a *fashionable* brand, and the key difference here is that a lot of people want them because they're nice products that are nice to use and look and feel nice. It's approaching consumerism from the other side where you're wanted not because you're exclusive or anything insane or insidious like that, but because you do what you do very well.
I bought a PS4 because the next generation of games I want to play are going to start coming out on them. Even if it's multiplatform, I'd rather have the PS4 versions because they do actually look nicer, because eventually there won't be PS3 versions.
So put me down for "higher resolution" but also put a big asterisk there because I know my PS3 is about to become obsolete soon.
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I said sometimes and also referenced everyday tasks. Are you transcoding video on a daily basis?
If you're a person who's transcoding video, then sure, one core i7 with less cores but higher frequency will do the job better than another core i7 with more cores and lower frequency.
But if you're looking for a machine to do office suite docs, browse the web, email, etc. then comparing machines based on does this machine have a Core M vs Core M becomes irrelevant. You have to think about things like build quality and overall design.
For a lot of things a computer gets used for these days by common users, looking at spec sheets isn't enough. It's been that way for a long time and now we've reached an interesting place where this point is coming down to how the boards and chips are layed out.
Because when everything pages out or in everything will feel smoother than using a sata SSD. If you're going to spend PCIE lanes on having the sata controller, might as well skip the controller and just use a PCI E SSD.
I don't think they do actually. When techies are screaming about how Apple products are overpriced, then start suggesting things that should have higher specs but the usability on them is shit because they built the device based on a checklist and not actually thinking about how anyone's going to use it...
That's why I compared it to modern cards which generally range from about 130 to 200 HP, with most ranging near 150 HP.
Simply put, we've got "sufficient" memory bandwidth and latency times that for most use cases, it doesn't matter.
My point was that we need to start evaluating machines based on the whole gestalt of the build and not just, "oh this has X, Y, and Z parts therefore it will perform in some certain way."
It's something some of us Apple fans have long figured out is that individual specs sometimes are completely meaningless.
Having a Core i7 will not actually feel more responsive in everyday tasks compared to a Core M if the i7 is paired with a spinning rust disk and the Core M has a PCI E SSD.
Similarly, just looking at the chip in the machine might not tell us everything if we don't know anything about how it's handling cooling or what specific design choices were made.
We're on the verge of reaching the 150HP car of computing. Don't really need much more for most tasks unless you're doing heavy lifting or looking to have fun, and even a lot of good clean fun can be had at 150HP.
$1300 for a procedure that the rest of the first world gets for free? What a bargain.
Even if we went with the libertarian ideal of deregulation and lowered the bar to entry, no. That doesn't solve the problem of restricted access to care. What happens is that people who can't pay *still* get less care because no one will cover them.
Paying out of pocket is right out because of how fucking expensive it is in the US to get health care.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a Canadian style system. Mostly because the issues of waiting lists and such are largely bullshit.
Funny considering that the post above yours is a classical first post from an AC troll.
If you knew your computing sciences history, you'd know that Grace Hopper isn't a cherry picked example. Systems programming was considered women's work for decades.
Lots of women were ignored for their contributions to STEM.
Lots of women are, not surprisingly, leaving STEM because of attitudes like yours.
Who should I believe, you or my lying eyes?
Because that discussion is unrelated to whether or not it's OK to SWAT someone.
It is true, that policing in this country is heavily militarized and with rampant abuses, but that doesn't change the fact that intentionally SWATing someone is fucking atrocious too.
Yeah, Grace Hopper totally got into computing for the dolla dolla billz.
Oh wait, no she didn't. Your argument relies entirely on ignoring the fact that from birth until college, women are explicitly and forcefully discouraged from going into STEM fields. They're sexually harassed when they do make it over the hurdles and then called liars, cheats, and interlopers when they make it and ignore the bullshit.
This is an amazing comment because in your argument about how women are just in it for the money you actually prove the argument that women are treated like shit.
I don't know if you're just trolling, pulling Poe's Law, or a shithead.
It's not too little, too late if you consider that the alternative is to rely on either Apple for WebKit, Mozilla for Gecko, or Google for Blink, etc.
If this new browser's point is to have a browser that you can use when you turn the machine on and have everywhere no matter what machine you're using, then it's not too little, too late.
Too little, too late would be Mac, Linux and Android ports of IE10.
This isn't Ballmer or Gates' Microsoft. It's Satya Nadella's and I think he gets it more than they did.
Thank goodness you used bolded capslock at the end, I couldn't hear you over your keyboard.
I want a really light machine that can handle very basic photo post processing and runs OSX. So, yes.
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Om Malik's a good writer. Looks like the site shit itself after he left to work for Apple
it used to be that your phone was mounted to your wall and never taken outside of the house unless you had a really really long cord.
Things change man. It'll be up to the market to decide who wants one. you clearly don't. I want one because there are things I don't want to fish into my pocket for, like changing what I'm listening to in my podcast player or checking maps.
No, but you are the beneficiary of systemic racism, sexism and depending if you're openly queer or not, homo and/or transphobia.
I was wondering if it'll help me do massively parallel computing AND decongest me.
Thanks, Xeon D.
not all white men are the heads of companies, running Fortune 500 companies, congressional officials, police chiefs, etc.
But very few non-white, non-men are.
That's why. It's not racism because when a black person calls you names to hurt your feelings, they also don't have the weight of systemic racial biases behind it. They call you names and that's it.
Will the sun eat the earth because Apple defied what you perceive to be fair pricing?
Because I really think you're underestimating market demand for these things.
Except on neither the Rolex, Tag Heuer, or Timex can I check my email or use maps to figure out where I am. There's a slab of electronics behind the glass that you don't find in either of them. I'm willing to bet the next few generations of Apple watch will have the same mounting points for the bands so all you have to do is just buy another 250/350 dollar robotic core and resync to your phone when it's time to upgrade.
I'm also not expecting to see a yearly upgrade cycle with this thing either, given that it's battery constrained. Unless a process shrink or some new design technique greatly improves CPU performance while offering the same or better battery life
I also can't check my email on the rolex and sext my mistress either
(I have no idea what Rolex owners do with their phones; so I'm extrapolating.)
Stainless steel is more expensive than aluminium and uses a sapphire front.
That's easily within reason to say 200 bucks for a fashion item.
Plus the higher end bands have these precision machined steel bands that are hand polished.
If you look at high end fashion watches, 1k for a high end steel watch is nothing, much less watch bands.
From Breitling:
Example for watches
example for bands.
From TAG Heuer:
Watches.
Everyone wants to scream at Apple for being a fashion brand, but the truth is is that if they were, they'd be Vertu. All gold and sapphire buttons with no real substance running some bland OS with crappy software on top.
Apple's a *fashionable* brand, and the key difference here is that a lot of people want them because they're nice products that are nice to use and look and feel nice. It's approaching consumerism from the other side where you're wanted not because you're exclusive or anything insane or insidious like that, but because you do what you do very well.
Sounds like a perfect match.
more seriously, I'm shocked at how low the price is on the stainless steel watch is. 549/599? I was expecting near 1k.
I bought a PS4 because the next generation of games I want to play are going to start coming out on them. Even if it's multiplatform, I'd rather have the PS4 versions because they do actually look nicer, because eventually there won't be PS3 versions.
So put me down for "higher resolution" but also put a big asterisk there because I know my PS3 is about to become obsolete soon.