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A Software Project Full of "Male Anatomy" Jokes Causes Controversy
An anonymous reader writes with the story of a Github user's joke repository that is causing some controversy. "There's no question that the tech world is an overwhelmingly male place. There's legit concern that tech is run-amok with 'brogrammers' that make women programmers feel unwelcome. On the other hand, people just want to laugh. It's at that intersection that programmer Randy Hunt, aka 'letsgetrandy' posted a 'project' earlier this week to software hosting site GitHub called 'DICSS.' The project, which is actual free and open source software, is surrounded by geeky jokes about the male anatomy. And it's gone nuts, so to speak, becoming the most trending project on Github, and the subject of a lot of chatter on Twitter. And, Hunt tells us, the folks at Github are scratching their heads wondering what they should do about it. Some people love DICSS ... and some people are, understandably, offended. The offended people point out that this is exactly the sort of thing that makes tech unwelcoming to women, and not just because of the original project, but because of some of the comments (posted as "commits") that might take the joke too far."
Actually find the male anatomy to be hilarious...
Since when is it the task of others to make one feel comfortable? Do alcohol jokes make recovering alcoholics uncomfortable? Do displays of wealth make the poor feel uncomfortable? Do candy aisles in supermarkets make dieters uncomfortable? Do dogs make victims of dog-attacks uncomfortable?
Why do women constantly get to claim they feel uncomfortable and expect the world to rush in and see to it that reality meets with their expectations?
Don't like it? Then don't contribute to it. Nobody is requiring you to use their project. Hell, you can just fork it and change their readme, if it really bothers you that much and you do have to use it.
Otherwise, you can fuck right off and let them run their project the way they want.
She keeps wanting me to write a new operating system called PENIX.
It's not so much a brogrammer thing as a controversy between us low brow folks and snooty people who pretend that our dick jokes and fart jokes aren't hilarious.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
The real question: does Michael go by Mike?
Just imagine Moe from the Simpsons calling out "Is Mike Hunt here?"
I'll see myself out.
They can try project CNDY 4$$
Some women don't feel welcome in a project made by a few men? They can always create their own and leave other people alone.
I feel like that it is borderline in this case, it is not a commercial product but an open source project, you may not agree but shouldn't they be able to run their own project how they want ?
Does this infringe some kind of law in the US ?
Don't you know it is now both immoral and criminal to think beyond the next quarterly report?
Nobody would be offended and femprogrammers would praise it as empowering.
Should github be involved? We could ramp it up and pretend the project was actually hateful, instead of not being that at all. When should github care? If they are an open source repo, shouldn't they be that?
Here's an emulator for Nintendo hardware. It's safe on legal grounds (even though console companies have lawyered up and taken down some emus by threatening the authors):
https://github.com/dolphin-emu
Here's an archive of "hacking tools". While almost everyone reading this post will understand the context of "hacking", and the fact that these are completely innocuous, would you put that past everyone in the world?
https://github.com/Gexos/Hacki...
Remember, some people consider "hacking" to equal "a crime done to people that should be result in life in prison". Even among those that are a bit smarter than that, you could EASILY argue that labeling something a "hacking tool" is "encouraging people to commit a crime" or somesuch- there's a reason the crack pipes at the flea market are not labelled as such, and have a sign saying that if you call them that, they'll kick you out.
You could argue that the above two projects, along with MANY others, are offensive or encourage illegal activities. You may not agree, but the argument could be made.
If someone is concerned about some cock and balls jokes because some section of the population (certainly not "women" and not really even "feminists", but likely "people who professionally get offended about bullshit to honk their own horns"), I will point out that **there's already a ton of projects that would offend fucking SOMEONE**.
This shouldn't be a story at all.
Have the crazies who use words like "rape culture" or "safe space" ever cared about laws, or even common sense?
It's one guy with a juvenile sense of humour. I don't get why people are making a big deal of this.
People who are offended by the project can just ignore it. Don't use it if/when it becomes a finished product, either. You're free to boycott, after all. You are even free to ask other people to boycott the project. You are NOT free to try to bully these juvenile delinquents into bahaving as you believe they should behave.
Hey, ladies and germs - you can't have it both ways. Just because you are offended doesn't justify cyber bullying, or any other kind of bullying.
In short, just grow the fuck up, alright?
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
Well it's obvious we need one called CLITS or TITS. Then we can put all this stupid politically correct bullshit behind us. Last I checked our DNA says everything we need to know about men, women, and what are proper relations with each other. It's only the PC'ers showing off their feeble subhuman mind trying to homogenize all life out of society that is incorrect.
Link here: https://github.com/letsgetrand...
You should really read the readme.
The project is pro-consensual: "And please, never force someone to use DICSS if they're not willing.". Now the feminazis already complain about consensual sex? Do they really require us to all to be GAY and LESBIAN?
If you come across a project that offends you, don't participate in it. Problem solved.
Not every single thing in the world needs to cater to everybody; if people don't like what you are producing they are more than welcome to look elsewhere.
I could be (but am not) offended by LGBT websites, does that mean they should be taken down because they offend me? Fuck no.
http://theshake.com.au/wp-cont...
People need to lighten the hell up.
Yes, we should make women welcome in FOSS. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy a good laugh at the same time. We all need to stop with this BS #activistmorality
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But I ignore them and let it slide. And frankly, many times it's none of my business anyway - like the religious themed billboards running down I-75 around Tifton,GA. That's their community and I don't have to look at them. And I have no problem with the "Jade" or whatever massage parlor billboards. So, to each his own.
But when people express their offense, it is to get the other person to change their behavior to one's liking. It's a power trip.
For instance, back when Paula Deen made her comments, the folks who expressed the most offense were white people.
Why?
And here is a rational comment by a black chef.
It's one thing when your in a public place - like a restaurant - and someone there is loudly expressing their neo-nazi hate in earshot - it's hard to tune that out. But when you have to go out and look for the offense material in order to be offended (as in this case), I come to the conclusion that it is about control and bullying.
Exclaiming that you are offended about something can be a great politically correct way to bully someone. And I think that is where a lot of social conservatives are coming from when it comes to politically correct speech. When one gets lambasted by a white person for saying "Eskimo" to describe Indians living in Northern Canada or Alaska, I don't think I'm being corrected, but bullied.
But if I as a white guy refers to African-Americans as 'niggers', I expect to be corrected because the African-American community finds that extremely offensive - but not indignantly embarrassed by another white person. But if I insist on using that term, then I would expect to receive the consequences.
I agree completely. Remember, it was the women's christian temperance movement that gave us alcohol prohibition. Now they are doing the same over free speech and inciting a drive for censorship. The importance of standing up to them cannot be overestimated, though some mods here will call it 'overrated'.
So making jokes about dicks is being offensive to women. So what would you prefer them do? Make jokes about boobs? ;)
Yeah being immature is unwelcoming to most women (unless you're actually an infant or toddler). But mature people shouldn't be bothered about the immature being immature in their own place. Not like anyone is forced to go there. Women who are offended are free to start their own projects without all this, or join other projects. Women who don't understand this or can't accept this, don't belong in tech - they belong in politics or some other field.
Go work on supposedly more productive and useful stuff. If you don't have anything better to do maybe you really aren't that mature either after all. The last I checked, the mature people of the world usually have far far far more important things to do with their lives than be bothered about such stuff.
A little dirty humor "is controversial" in the United States and probably would be in, say, Iran. But there are cultures that consider talking about sex totally harmless. I know that's a foreign idea in a country where you can lose your job or, conceivably, end up in court or even prison for making a harmless joke at the wrong time or in front of the wrong person. Cultures that aren't so uptight are superior to ours.
For example, he would have code like this to represent the most significant and least significant words of a 32-byte unsigned int:
hungLo = word & 0xFFFF;
hungHi = (word & 0xFFFF0000) >> 16;
wellHungLo = word & 0xFF;
The problems started happening when the company grew and and some women were added to the team and took over the responsibility for the code; you can imagine the sort of complaints we got; ultimately we had to have a semi-major release whose only purpose was to sanitize the codebase.
[...] please, never force someone to use DICSS if they're not willing.
Maybe the DICSS project is juvenile and crude, but ignore it if you don't like it. None of Github's business.
I used to have a sig, but I set it free and it never came back.
More power to DICSS ! Give the middle finger to the Femi-Nazi-Maoists !
The jokes on the male anatomy has gone too far. It's gone nuts!
is it really news that a subset of people hate men and wish to eradicate gender? the more airtime these people get, the more they get to push their agenda and market themselves. so you hate the penis and have no sense of humour, great. stop complaining and go get some therapy.
The problem with slashdot is that most of its users were bullied and stuffed into lockers as kids!
Mind you all I think this is just hilarious!!! I hope no one takes this seriously though. Could DICSS possibly be an alternative to node js? I think not. Raw script supports the style node. Why would any one import a library like this but to only get attention from DICSS? !!! LMAO
I could totally understand if Github told DICCS to move their stuff to another website. The purpose of github is to share files related to OSS. Toilet humour isn't exactly software.
Buck Feta. You know what to do.
Only by accepting each other as equals can we truly begin the healing process and start turning this hateful world into a utopia.
Killing the bourgeoisie might be a good idea, too.
Have the crazies who use words like "rape culture" or "safe space" ever cared about laws, or even common sense?
Even by asking that, you are triggering. How dare you.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
For the record, I'm a man who works in IT. I don't know enough about this project to take a stand one way or the other, but I do know that crap like this is why the IT profession (if you can call it that) struggles for respect. I see this sort of stuff all the time, and it's frustrating because I really thought we were beyond the stereotype of "asexual nerds living with Mom in the basement." Not everyone in IT has a juvenile sense of humor, but oh boy, those who do can sometimes make workplaces pretty uncomfortable. And no, I'm not easily offended, but it's not exactly the most professional interaction when you have to listen to someone talk about their adventures at the strip club in detail. Not the content so much, but usually it's because the people saying these things just make you think, "eww, gross." If I was a woman, I would sure select myself out of an environment like that.
For everyone who is going to respond to this in a "Fuck you, I can say and do whatever I want" fashion, can you please explain why it is so difficult to refrain from inappropriate jokes in an office environment? Does anyone in a work situation really need to hear about what you'd like to do with the hot new intern, etc.? I've worked both in "normal" office environments, and environments where behavior like this is tolerated or encouraged. Normal workplaces are a lot better in my opinion.
Same thing goes for overt sexual harassment -- I often wonder why we need to watch HR's presentation over and over again on this subject, then I see real issues in the news that I just can't believe. I wouldn't even think about saying/doing some of the stuff some guys are accused of, and it just amazes me that this goes in in 2015. I know there are a few people who develop a "rockstar" aura and can be untouchable in the eyes of management, but it would seem to me that unless you are the sole author of a company's core money making product, or an executive, you can't get away with this stuff anymore.
That's the first thing that occurred to me. Look at all the games that focus on female anatomy. Now you get an entirely different group of people complaining. The game devs can't make even 1/2 the people happy at any given time. So why bother trying? Novelty sells. Cash in on it.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
One wonders how he greets people?
Him: "Hi, I'm Randy" ..., do you need a few minutes on your own? To take matters in hand, as it were?"
Me: "Er, yeah,
I have to say, this particular joke always gets me modded down below groundlevel, but I am hopeful it will do well in this setting. I would say that a few, saucy jokes is what being male is all about, although come to think of it, it's also what being female is all about, really. If you've ever happened to overhear a gaggle of girlfriends going at warp 5, you'll know us blokes have a thing or two to learn in that department. Still, it is good manners to tone it down when you have reason to think that other might feel embarrassed.
I don't know if women in general feel 'threatened' by male company - I suspect it is often more because there are some people who are on the lookout for reasons to feel outraged. On the other hand, I have several colleagues who are contemptuous about women, whether it is because they are just insecure or perhaps gay, who don't want to come out. Nothing wrong with being gay, but OTOH, nothing wrong with being female either.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-women-stopped-coding
I'd encourage you to listen to the story as well.
People have a right to contribute and employers have a right to not hire you based on information they find about you on the internet.
Relevant picture - http://i.imgur.com/MUYhFT4.jpg
In all seriousness, I can't even count how many times I've been literally forced to sit and read github commit's against my will. I can barely go outside without Github being on every billboard, every public bathroom, forced to listen to kids talk about their favorite commits on public transit. Something HAS to be done! Women who never coded a day in their lives are right!
I wonder if DICSS accepts pull requests?
Just wondering . . ..
GitHub has a rather aggressive SJW community. It's not the first time people there took offense and Github leaned that way in the past, too.
Someone create the CLiT software.
And watch them get offended by both... Comedy gold.
All of the 'ism' things have merged to form outrageism. and it's popular.
And funny.
Have the crazies who use words like "rape culture" or "safe space" ever cared about laws
Yes, of course they have. The main reason people pay any attention to Feminist bigots is that they have successfully captured the legal apparatus in the US, and have used it to impose tyrannically puritan laws on the populace. Otherwise they would be no more than annoying clowns, like the KKK or militant Satanists.
Some people need to get over the ridiculous notion that they have some kind of "right" to not be offended.
There is no right to create a hostile working environment for women.
It takes me back some years now.
Someone brought a life sized border town strip club poster into work and pinned it to a back office wall.
That ignited a frat house arms race that ended with the entire back office being papered over with pinups with a spillover up front....
This did not end well.
One of the main attackers of this project is doing so because he is affiliated with SASS in some way.
From memory, I am sure it was that Epstein guy, possibly misspelled name.
Unix.
The only people ever offended are white Americans or British. If you're PC, please stay away from technology.
They are the reason why we can't have nice things or have fun anymore.
Or, maybe you could just be a little bit professional and don't use software projects to make jokes about anyone's anatomy.
I know, I know. If you were a little bit professional, you'd be getting paid for your work instead of contributing to some projects with other latent homosexuals who seem obsessed with penises. But still, a little bit of self-respect is a good thing, even if you don't happen to have any respect for anyone else. It looks good on your resume when you're not a complete asshole.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Look, the name is "dicks". It probably makes belittling jokes about the male anatomy.
If you call a woman a cunt, it's sexist and puts women off. If you call a block a dick, this "story" makes out that this is sexist and puts women off.
SJWs think women are feeble and simple minded people who cannot fend for themselves, and need a greater group to look after them. "Feminist" leaders. With lots of White Knights to totally not protect them, because that's patriarchal, and the feminists like them, so they can't be doing that, so totally different, m'kay?
The project doesn't put women off.
It will put a tiny tiny proportion of women off, but they'd likely be put off by men being on the damn project at all, so no loss there.
This "story" makes out that ANYTHING sexual or smutty is bad for men to do. Women finally got the right to sexual self-expression. So now the "feminists" look for more reasons why they're not winning as much as they thought they deserve and have decided they need to make up some more reasons why men are in charge and stamping down on them. Totally not them not being as good as their ego.
Note: I use "feminists" because there a tiny but hideously noisy cult self-identifying as feminist, but aren't all feminists. So I use quotes around it in the same way you'd use "Christian" for the WBC or "Islamic" for ISIS or Boku Haram.
They call themselves it, but only so they can use the already defined dogma, suitably edited, and get a large number of adherents who think they're legitimate.
You find this risible?
well, now..
It would appear that the Smithsonian, which is generally good about this kind of thing (NAGPRA and all) seems to think that calling them Indians is ok. I didn't see a lot of "aboriginal american" text in the museum, although I have read it in various and sundry anthro textbooks; but, then, textbooks tend to have a variety of terminology in them. Including all sorts of justification for calling it "darkest africa".
This is a hard topic which should be discussed at length!
Probably even more then men?
A shame people are so sensitive--I think engineering is a tough place to be emotionally, regardless of the gender of one's jokes. Engineers are some of the most arrogant, social inept people I've ever worked with (the bastards, and yes, I'm work in the field).
I was told a story of a technical draftsman, who specialized in farm equipment for a very well known company. He literally placed a scrotum (where's Waldo style) in all his technical drawings. The guy was so good that instead of reprimanding him or some other such punishment, they actually assigned a person to find and remove the scrotum from each drawing before sending them out.
and appropriate social behavior. You don't have a right to be a douche nozzle anywhere you want. Whoops, just did it myself there, didn't I? See how easy it is? Then again, it's about your forum and understanding your audience. On /. the phase douche nozzle is highly appropriate. On the forum of a popular open source project, or even my favorite retro gaming podcast's site? Not so much.
The trouble is, there are a _lot_ of folks who never learned tact, and blurt out whatever the hell enters their mind when ever it does; often just to get attention of any kind (good or bad).
So yeah, the world doesn't need to rush to meet their expectations, but a certain amount of civility at certain times/places is definitely called for.
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I don't see a lot of this, or any of it really, having the slightest impact on actual politics. Then again I'm in America, and the only thing that impacts our politics since "Citizen United" is corporate money, so this might be a bigger issue in Europe.
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I forgot to mention but try reversing the genders: imagine if a woman did this about female anatomy. She'd be lauded at how brave, hilarious, and empowering she is. Heck, even if she did it about male anatomy she'd receive complements from both sides BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING FUNNY.
Pussy Riot
...
Vagina Monologues
Of course you may need to qualify that the women would absolutely need to be part of the political left. A woman on the right would get no such consideration.
Haven't read every comment, so maybe this has been covered. It just seems like few of the comments on here are really differentiating between what kinds of humor are OK in the workplace setting versus what might be OK in a non-workplace setting.
I don't think the existence of this "project" reflects on tech-workers and tech jobs at all, as long as people are only accessing it and laughing about it on their own time. At work, though, there's really no place for this kind of humor, even if the jokes embedded may be pretty funny (although somehow I doubt most are).
Why is this not acceptable at work? Because some people are offended by such jokes, even if others are not. And work isn't someplace one should have to put up with being offended just because one happens to have different sensibilities than their co-workers. It's just a question of respecting that fellow employees may feel differently about something.
But if someone wants to tell dick jokes on their own time... there's no reason anyone else should be taking the position that it reflects on their occupation as whole.
And, furthermore, I even have a hard time connecting this to occupation even if people are accessing the site and talking about it at work. This would hardly be the first occupation where people told off-color jokes at work. I don't condone it. And I would hope/expect that someone at a leadership level puts a stop to it. But the existence of such jokes in the workplace, unfortunately, does not put tech occupations in a different category than most other occupations.
Exactly.
Another fine example of the Streisand effect.
Documenttion may be funny, but if the readme mainly consists of jokes i drop the attempt of using somethign without hesitation. I dont care if the jokes are good or bad (like here), but my experience is that people who do ot follow a naming scheme directly to whats going on usually produce worthless code anyway.
And: i am not a woman.
That DICSS has a few pull requests...
...people COULD just GROW UP AND START WORRYING ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER INSTEAD. You know, little things like 80% of the women in the Sudan have had their clitorises cut off. The fact that you can buy a 10-year-old girl for "marriage" - just for a couple of hours - in most of the Middle East. the fact that there is a massive and growing army that has stated in no uncertain terms they mean to exterminate Jews and anyone who defends them, including the entire US. Maybe we could even get a SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE!
But I guess not. Too many Democrats...
These people just need to grow some balls
just fork the damn thing and replace all the offensive commentry with poetry and ascii flowers. that would totally make the project better and more popular, right?
This time they have allied themselves with the nice progressive folks who killed millions in gulags. Even more dangerous, I say.
Your average "Brogramer" is stereotypically a good looking gym rat airhead who says "dude" and "bro" a lot and got into writing VB when he heard there was money to be made. Women do not hate pretty idiots, as a rule. Women love brogramers especially when the brogrammers ask them for help. "Hi, could you tell me what object oriented means?"
Now antisocial self-important "genius" coder stereotypes who snicker at any word which sounds genital or sex related.. Yeah, women do not like these people. "Jesus, you do not know what object oriented means?! How did you get this job?"
The world after high school, is still high school.
Should we have a vagina joke project too?
A software project, absolutely not. But a Broadway show would be OK.
Or are people just hypothesizing that women will be offended? Because I didn't see a single tweet expressing outrage. This strikes me as "brogrammers" trying to pick a fight where there is none. If anyone is actually offended by the comments, they could always fork the project, rewrite the readme, and change the method names to things that are gender-neutral In other words, they could neuter the project.
And if I ever see their resume come in to me for review recommend 'Do not hire'. If you cannot behave professionally, I have no patience for you.
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
GitHub is a commercial service. It has the right to refuse hosting on whatever grounds it wants to, except for some specific reasons that are protected by law, such as race, gender, sexuality and religion. Since none of those cover this issue they are free to do as they please.
It's up to GitHub to decide if they would rather give people the leeway to create crude joke projects like this, or if they agree with the criticism and would rather keep their service free from them the can. Simple as that.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Since the word isn't actually in any dictionary: I had believed that "brogrammer" was a term for gay software developers in a relationship, but after reading this it seems it is actually a "politically correct" expression that is used instead of either "male chauvinist pig", or "mentally and relationship challenged arsehole" ?
..."tech unwelcoming to woman" - well, sounds like women need fucking thicker skins....
Or, maybe you could just be a little bit professional and don't use software projects to make jokes about anyone's anatomy.
Not all software projects are professional ones. There are projects "just for fun", as well. I think that's where this project lies.
Nobody should use it as-is for a professional project.
If you want to do that, then fork it first and clean out the inappropriate comments.
with other latent homosexuals
You seem to be implying that there is something fundamentally wrong with being an homosexual obsessed with penises?
Remember when everyone was told to ignore things they didn't like rather than complain about it? Time to turn the tables and not be a hypocrite!
Possibly, depending on context: is it a professional software project, or a casual collaborative hobby? But it's grossly inaccurate and inflammatory to present this as a men-vs-women thing. It's a low-brow versus high-brow thing.
http://starlogs.net/#letsgetrandy/DICSS
>some projects with other latent homosexuals who seem obsessed with penises
Defending women's rights while hating on homosexuals? Wow, what a hypocrite.
What you want is an environment that is hostile to men. Offended by this project? WTF are you doing nosing around the project? Offended by strippers? WTF are you doing nosing around strip clubs and the like? Offended by foul language? Why are you listening? Offended by... well, you get the idea. You don't like something, don't pay money for it, don't support it, don't publicize it, don't bother with it, etc. Find something you DO support and do something you find to be positive. Otherwise, yes, you're going to be offended, and it's your own stupid fault.
Until someone messes with your wallet, your person, your reputation, your family in like manner, or your property, your right to exert control ends on property you have control of (which usually means you own or rent it.) Other than that, you can say anything you want, anywhere you want but on property others rent or own where you are not, and should not be, in control, and sane people will roundly ignore you.
Because there truly is not, and should not be, any right "not to be offended." Pull up your big girl panties and buck the heck up. The world is not made of sugar and spice, and every effort you undertake to make it so is a Very Bad Idea.
Push your controlling ideas too far, and someone will eventually push back. Odds are you really won't enjoy it.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
/nt
Not only is it funny (with overtones of pitiful), it gets a rise out just about everyone who cares to erect an objection. Rigid, upright individuals, blood flowing copiously to their heads, cocking their virtual pistols and ready to shoot the first time someone rubs them in a manner that provides enough friction. It's a penetrating form of humor, a kind of humor that some have to stretch to get, especially those who are anally retentive. For others, it's just plugging along as usual, strapping on the first thing they come to, and then using it to probe everyone within reach. I don't know why it's got you so inflamed. Me, I'm having a ball sacking the opposition. I can't do it all the time (I'm old) but I find it satisfactory to work in spurts. And while my youth is gone, at least I can remember it as not so much checkered, as spattered. Because the rubber didn't always meet the rode, y'see.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
... to be offended. It is a situation commonly encountered in those who have nothing better to do with their lives.
as Yiff, G-Spot, GIMP and Pornview.
Not all software projects are professional. Especially the ones done on someone's free time at home.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Github has a TOS, they don't need to care about laws. Besides, they did it in the past with C+= (C Plus Equality), which was a satirical inherpreter.
So basically,,, eeeeeeh ,, what you are saying is, don't be a dick.
If anything I think _men_ should be taking offense at this project for implying that male anatomy is so poorly designed that it must certainly be implemented in javascript.
Many years ago we had a system admin who used sexual innuendo in root passwords on our non-production research equipment. Thankfully, only a handful of people ever used these machines and they were all in our department.
Within months of my arrival, he was laid off. His skills weren't great but they were good enough to keep him above the "layoff bubble." I have a strong hunch that his sexist style made it easy for his boss to decide to get rid of him.
The new passwords didn't have any sexual innuendo.
At the time, we were a small branch of a research arm of a large corporation. Personally, I found his willingness to use such innuendo on the job distasteful and I found having to type them in on a routine basis uncomfortable but not so much that it was enough to complain about. Now that I am many years wiser and aware of the larger effects that tolerating such behavior has on the workplace, recruitment, and retention, I would probably either ask him to change the passwords or raise the issue with his/our boss.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
It's his project, his online handle to ruin, and he can call anything in it whatever the hell he wants. Maybe everything in the project is named after dicks because he doesn't want some company taking it out from under him before it's finished.
Not to say that it's not immature and in poor taste, but Christ, what's next? Are people going to complain because some strangers use potty mouth in notes they write to themselves? I called myself a pecker once in an email to myself that contained a URL I kept forgetting. Does that make me sexist?
Stuff like this undermines real issues of sexism. Please, if you don't like his naming conventions, create software to do the same thing his does and be professional about it. You don't get to have someone do your work for you *and* complain about aesthetics that the end user won't even see.
He needs to grow up, sure. But I don't expect better from some random online handle. People who apparently stand for equality and social justice though? I kind of expect you guys to have better sense than an angry twelve year old.
thank you, well said
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
It's not even a matter of standing up to them. It's more that choosing your battles is kind of an important skill, no matter what your goals are. That's fundamental. It comes before choosing good or evil, support or opposition, stripes or plaid... Though if anybody ever finds a way to somehow force everybody to be the picture of class without undermining our laws, then they should let me know. Because I'd totally have other applications for that kind of mass scale mind control device.
The computer programming world is full of guys who are woefully immature, who believe all sorts of New Age-ish superstitions, and who lack the intellectual capabilities required to know when to write "its", rather than "it's", and vice-versa.
When it comes to unprofessional language in commercial, scientific, and engineering endeavours, there seems to be two assumptions people make:
1. All women are offended by the sorts of words and phrases used by 9th graders in their daily speech.
2. No men are offended by the same sort of language.
Both assumptions are incorrect.
Now, in most situations, I think that people should be able to say what they want. You can talk about body parts in naughty ways, and you can say all manner of insulting things (right or wrong) about anybody's religion. Basically, anything short of threatening to kill people. And if people get offended, they can shove it. I think that the proper and polite thing to do is to make sure that someone who doesn't want to hear what you say isn't forced to listen -- that to read what you wrote or hear what you said requires some positive action on their part, so if they don't like it, it's their fault for seeking it out.
However, in a professional setting, it's time to act like an adult. Discussions of sex and insults about religions are out of place, not because they're *fundamentally* inappropriate, but because they're accepted as inappropriate for professional and public settings. I'm sorry. I don't care how much you and your pals get a kick out of jokes about Jews and dead babies, people shouldn't have to listen to it at the office.
So, then there's this ambiguous situation with FOSS projects. Is this play time or work time? It's kinda both. People do it for fun, but if you don't want to make it a public thing, then you don't put it up on github. If your objective is to get public participation in a technically-oriented project, unprofessional language is out of place. If you want people to take FOSS in general serious, then unprofessional language is out of place. Linus Torvalds didn't publish the source code to Linux because he thought it would be hillarious or an asshole thing to do. The purpose was to attract people into a development community around the project.
In general, I object to certain subject being out in public where it's shoved up everyone's noses. Nude beach? No problem, because you have to travel there to see it. Nude parade down my street? That depends on the purpose, but there are many ways in which human nudity can be a good thing, for artistic, educational, or scientific purposes. (In general, I wouldn't be offended unless it was just really tasteless.) What about people in the nude parade having sex while they travel on floats down my street? No fucking way. I'm not a huge fan of Islam, and I think that its adherents deserve a great deal of criticism, constructive and otherwise. On the other hand, I would find it unacceptable to have to a parade whose purpose was to shout anti-Islamic hate language for everyone to hear. Speaking of screwing in the streets, that's one of the things that bothers me about gay pride parades. Standing up against oppression from bigots who hate you for a perfectly natural thing is good (homosexuality is ubiquitous in the animal kingdom). However, this does not require that your presentation be so hypersexualized that I can't take my kids to see it. (Honestly, we just dont need sex in the streets. Gay people are as normal and weird as any other subset of the population, living their lives, working jobs, etc. Connecting "gay" with "hypersexual" in a public event gives people the wrong idea.)
The bottom line is that people need to learn to be considerate and have some professional decorum. If you're going to do or say something that might insult someone, do it in a principled way as a means to be constructive. Do it because you DO give a shit, not because you don't. This applies to FOSS projects as much as to any other situation.
Although I wouldn't necessarily say you have the "right" to be an asshole, it's vital that you have that freedom. Consider obscenity laws that restrict porn to certain venues. Those may or may not have some value, but laws that try to cu
"Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke."
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Poor Jane/Lonny Eachus. Was this why you started posing as a woman on the internet? To get back at the sexist tyrant women by making all women look bad?
So don't cry about it when the people hosting the house party don't find it "fun".
I'm sure the fraternity brothers in Oklahoma thought it was a hoot to sing a little ditty about making sure no black person every can be pledged, but the university hosting the party thought it kind of sucked, so out you go. Just because you think something is fun doesn't mean anyone else has to put up with it. If you want to make your little dick joke software at home, go right ahead. If you try to distribute it using somebody else's shit, don't whine if they tell you to fuck off.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Not at all. The problem is with closeted people creating a hostile environment for someone else. They should know better.
You are welcome on my lawn.
No, Jane. You might think you're seeing "that kind of crap" almost every day, but as usual you're just putting words in peoples' mouths.
I wasn't hating on homosexuals. I was hating on closeted homosexuals creating a hostile environment for other people.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Pretty much. "Don't be a dick" is the phrase that pays for everyone, everywhere. You want to draw an erect penis on the back of your notebook and show it to your pals at recess, go ahead. If you try to project it onto the facade of the school building, you might have a problem.
Or, "Go ahead and be a dick, but don't piss yourself when there are consequences".
You are welcome on my lawn.
Feminists such as yourself and your bosses should be killed.
I'm sure the fraternity brothers in Oklahoma thought it was a hoot to sing a little ditty about making sure no black person every can be pledged, but the university hosting the party thought it kind of sucked, so out you go.
Disagree. I believe this will go to court (and I hope it does), and I believe the university will lose (and it should).
Just because you think something is fun doesn't mean anyone else has to put up with it.
"Put up with it" is an interesting phrase. If you don't like my speech, you can ignore me. You can denounce me. You can organize a boycott. But, you cannot compel me with law to stop.
If you want to make your little dick joke software at home, go right ahead. If you try to distribute it using somebody else's shit, don't whine if they tell you to fuck off.
Agreed. As a private organization, github can do whatever they want. Note that this is different from how, for instance, private bakeries or florists, are allowed to operate. They cannot pick and choose their customers based on customer speech!
Oh be fair, everyone has killed millions in gulags. The important thing is to get it out in the open. I know I have!
Accusing someone you don't like of "latent homosexual" tendencies is actually pretty insulting to homosexuals (and nonsensical, but I was planning on ignoring that part!).
There is no such thing as 'too far' in a comment. Only acts that cause physical or financial harm are 'too far'. Free speech means people are free to speak about whatever they wish, period. Free speech is only meaningful if it protects 'objectionable' and 'problematic' speech. Want to censor speech that offends you? Imagine what people who hate you would use that power for if they were in power.
I believe the university will lose (and it should).
I believe the university will win (and it should). So, when will we know who's right and who's wrong?
If you don't like my speech, you can ignore me. You can denounce me. You can organize a boycott. But, you cannot compel me with law to stop.
The law doesn't agree. If you deliberately try to aggravate people, you can and will be charged. Whether it's for verbal assault or one of the nuisance laws, there are plenty of ways to compel someone deliberately causing harm from causing that harm.
Learn to love Alaska
Not if it's true. The best predictors of being (in the closet) gay are
1) being a Catholic Priest
2) Being a Republican in Congress talking daily about "family values", and
3) constantly talking about penises, while denying thinking about penises.
Homosexuals I've run this list past tend to agree, and none have so far indicated feeling insulted.
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I've tried a few google searches, but I can't actually find any quotes from anyone offended by this, only Business Insider claiming that people are. Is there actually any controversy here?
You're talking about this guy! http://www.politico.com/magazi...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Which implies that homosexuals are unprofessional.
Your previous fork Offendix wasn't welcome by any community either. Maybe you should take the hint that there are poeple aware of your regressive MRA stormfront attitude and don't buy your obvious hate campaign bullshit.
scratching their heads
That sounds very unpleasant. Rub gently. No scratching.
PopeRatzo was making a reference to the Barney Frank Rule. It's okay that you didn't spot it (not everyone knows everything), but now you know.
sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
The important thing is to get it out in the open. I know I have!
Please pardon the initial offensive language. The final line matches the above quote perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dvpi6t4PEI
I wasn't hating on homosexuals. I was hating on closeted homosexuals creating a hostile environment for other people.
I invite you to say that to your HR folks and see how far that weak ass-covering gets you.
Hypocrite.
In Hitler's Germany, maybe.
Everything you say makes you look more and more like a total fucking tool.
Bullshit. You might as well have called them all faggots, you bigoted piece of shit.
"Put up with it" is an interesting phrase. If you don't like my speech, you can ignore me. You can denounce me. You can organize a boycott.
Because I'm sure the person you were replying to isn't sharp enough to have picked up on it (after all, they thought their only option was to "put up with it"), I'll point out, since you didn't, that all of those are alternatives to "put[ting] up with it".
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Does "the media" cause young girls to associate boobs with women, and therefore cause the girls to later grow boobs, or is there perhaps a biological thing called hormones, which effect all manner of gender differences?
Of you look at people who take testerone or other steroids, you'll find that it has a very obvious effect on their behavior, by way of the hormone's effect on the brain. Over the course of millions of years, male brains evolved around their essential tasks of "go kill something and drag it home for dinner" along with "fight off the predator". See how muscle cars and football might stimulate something in the male brain which is now lacking in means to express the "kill something and drag it home" instinct? For these millions of years, females had a different role, to which their brains adapted. Neither is better or worse, our brains and other parts are different.
* obviously I'm speaking of the majority of men vs the majority of women. Exceptions exist - Chrisley probably wouldn't have survived and reproduced in the days of hunting wild boars to eat.
Why does my entire life including hobbies need to be professional?
Let's live in a perfectly politically correct world where our jokes, every sentence we speak and every message we write is controlled by the thought police.
And I say that as someone who was bullied at school. But here's the point: There's harassment, which has a victim and there's jokes about a class the size of half the worlds population and either you are incredibly insecure or unbelievably egomaniac to consider yourself the individual target.
Every real woman I've met in my life laughs about jokes that ridicule women in general the same way that I laugh about jokes where guys in general are the target. These jokes are funny exactly because they contain a piece of truth.
Everything, taken to extremes, is evil. That includes feminism, no-harassment policies and political correctness. No, wait. That last one is evil from the start.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
When I worked on a ticketing system for travel agents in the 80's, offence was taken that the command to "abort" a transaction was "abort". Abortion was topical at the time. Across genders, across generations, across cultures, a lot of stuff can be unintentionally offensive.
The most tasteless was a "label" in the code "KoolAidFest" which was riffing on the Jones Town mass suicide.
Next week: let's be offended about male/female electrical connectors. I heard savages were "mating" the "prongs" with the "openings".
It's kind of dumb to expect to receive respect from any human-like form nerdish entity that has been subject to treatment and pressure to have no respect of self. Thus could have never learned the meaning of your definition.
There's the newish game called Besiege. There's a video on you tube of this giant robot someone built. It has fire coming out of its anatomy. It's fucking hilarious, but it's also pretty bad-ass.
Here is the video you mentioned. "Besiege Flamethrower Penis"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vbph48l1o
Where's the mod for 'ignorant of actual facts'?
I would like to propose a new software defined network application.
CUNTS common underlying network tunneling service.
Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Delete the project and tell all involved to stop being dicks. Why does this need to generate so much bullshit?
[FUCK BETA]
... just waiting for someone to quote Team America.
Yours doesn't, don't worry.
My guess is that ship has sailed.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The university is not a government institution and they didn't send these kids to jail. The university chose to no longer affiliate with that particular frat.
That sounds perfectly reasonable. The university has some standards of behavior to be an affiliated organization and chose because the behavior was not in keeping, to kick them out.
Under what law do you think the frat is protected?
Yep, those who are wired for hunting and fighting just might have an interest in speed and power. Around the house, the car is by far the finest example of speed and power a kid will encounter. Who would have thoughy a Mustang, Ram, or Bronco could engage that part of the brain.
You might even notice that little boys have a disturbing* tendency to violently crash their toy cars, on purpose. Worse, dad doesn't even sit down and talk to the poor disturbed kid because dad is too busy watching football or rugby. We don't outgrow it; we graduate from watching toy cars crash together to watching large men crash into each other.
* Disturbing to some moms and imasculated men. If that includes you, your condition is not permanent; you CAN get your balls back. You just have to decide you want them back. Do not ask your wife for permission on this one.
Public universities that receive money from government are government institutions.
The problem is that neither side in this impasse is worth defending: You have sophomoric perverts creating dick-themed content and wittering fragile flowers who can't help but be offended and complain about it.
The idiots who posted the rude content should pull it down and apologize for being total *ssholes. The "professional offendees" p*ssing and moaning about it should grow a thicker skin and shut up.
Since neither of those two solutions is ever going to happen, people with a brain and an adult personality should just ignore the whole thing and let it wither away. If the FOSS software is any good, then fork it, give it a sensible name and move on.
Sometimes the "writing on the wall" is blood spatter...
You're talking about penises a lot.
Are you sure you're not a Republican Catholic priest?
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
Women programmers are free to make as many jokes about female anatomy as they like.
The "Barney Frank rule" is a hateful and wretched way of insisting that everyone shares your politics, OR FUCKING ELSE. Given PopeRatzo's posting history, it's no surprise he's a fan of it. However, it's 100% fair to object to what Rat says on its' merit, regardless of what Barney Frank says.
You have to prove malice. Which I don't think the OP project ever had.
Yes but we are talking about infants here, how do they even know that cars means speed and power?
*why do you belive that men who don't agree with you are imasculated? It's not like I believe that men who squat/deadlift/benchpress less than I do is less men than me just to take another stupid example.
This should actually be the ideal way of making offensive jokes. It's well categorized and defined, and not part of any real project, so it's easy to see and avoid (or see and explore if you're into that). Good thinking. Nothing to see here.
Godwin, you lose.
It doesn't, but when it interacts with others who are trying to be professional, don't be surprised when they tell you to stop being a muppet. If dancing is your hobby, and you dance in to the frame of a TV news broadcast, you can expect to be shouted at. You can't complain about how your hobby should be special and untouched in this instance. The same applies here.
Just create a similar project named BOOBS. I would *LOVE* to see them try to explain how it's inappropriate to have a BOOBS project to counter the DICSS project; but have just the DICSS project is unacceptable too; no wait... Oh, dis gonna be good!
And don't get me started how we can merge BOOBS and DICSS to create the most glorious "application" ever!!!
I asked a co-worker if he'd heard of it, he said "No, have you pulled it down and played with it?"
Hilarity ensued!
I'm female, you insensitive c*nt!
The Puritanical mindset is that pleasure of any kind is immoral. As long as you're ashamed of what you're doing, you're in line with their morality. The fact you're not is a problem--you are a "shameless"...whatever it is you're doing. The act is not your crime--it's your failure to recognize that you're wrong that makes you the worst kind of person.
"Everything is harassment" is a red herring:
In the late '80s, the harassment trainer told us "whatever she (and it was explicitly she), says is harassment is harassment". My employer at the time was a multinational medical device manufacturer in the Forbes 60. It ain't like that anymore, and hasn't been for a long time.
These days, you'll typically hear something like:
"If somebody's doing something at work that makes it hard for your to get your job done, ask them nicely to quit it. If you don't want to talk to them directly, tell your supervisor and they will ask them to quit it. If they keep doing it, it's harassment. And, no, you can't say absurd things like 'they're breathing too loud and it's distracting me'. And, yes, if there's a dispute where one party is a member of a Protected Class and the other isn't, then all things being equal we're going to side with the one that is."
The accusation here isn't harassment and it's never been. The accusation here is "offense", and not an "offense" as a tort or a crime with some sort of objective definition. This is the kind of "Offense" where someone "feels offended". For obvious reasons, feeling offended doesn't get you very far in front of a judge, but you can still convince stupid people of stupid things with enough pearl-clutching.
A related example:
Several years ago I'm working in the US a crew of guys, one who was from Canada. My friend sees a sign for a "Hooters" restaurant and asks if that means what he thinks it does. I explained what it's about and the whole crew went there for lunch. My friend explained that this would be absolutely impossible in Canada. The feminists' there would would consider it incredibly offensive and they would picket and sue until it was gone. We happened to be working in an auto plant, so everyone there had worked in Detroit, and everyone there had also been to Windsor. When I pointed out that we all knew that at least one city in Canada was filled up with titty bars my friend explained it to me:
"Titty bars are dark and shameful. You're supposed to be embarrassed to be a customer and humiliated to be an employee. But Hooters is fun. People bring their families there (yes, there was a man, wife, and kids when we ate there...). THAT's the problem. Sex is supposed to be guilty; you're making it fun."
A couple years later I sent him a picture of me standing on a street in Toronto in front of a Hooters sign and the CN tower in the background. ;)
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
The pendulum is going to swing the other way and the perpetually aggrieved will not like it.
Or, maybe you could just be a little bit professional and don't use software projects to make jokes about anyone's anatomy.
I know, I know. If you were a little bit professional, you'd be getting paid for your work instead of contributing to some projects with other latent homosexuals who seem obsessed with penises. But still, a little bit of self-respect is a good thing, even if you don't happen to have any respect for anyone else. It looks good on your resume when you're not a complete asshole.
Since you're on such a high horse, I'd like to point out that I find your user name offensive. A good portion of this world is Roman Catholic and has great respect for Pope Benedict XIV and your name clearly is meant to offend those Catholics. Oddly enough, that name choice, and the strategy to offend others with that name, is not that different than the project being discussed. It really sad that you don't see it -- or don't want to see it.
So in the interest of being professional, please change your name or don't pontificate on the subject of being respectful.
Yes, I'm a AnonymousCoward, but that doesn't make what I said less true.
No. And no.
No, it simply miscasts offense in an attempt to gain an unjustified rhetorical handle on it.
No. It isn't. When someone messes with your wallet, your person, your reputation, your family in like manner, or your property, you have been interfered with. Actions designed to remedy the interference can now be put on the table. This is a very sane way to look at these matters, and it is generally what anyone seriously considering them will come up with. From it, we derive that any such action constitutes violation of the principle that "your right to swing your fist ends at anyone else's nose", or in other words such action is "swinging one's fist where it impacts the other person's nose" and so we don't accept it as valid action when considering these issues.
The water balloon constitutes physical interference with your property, your path, and your ability to drive in a safe manner, thereby additionally and (further) irresponsibly constituting risk to yet others via potential secondary and tertiary effects. Your suggestion is not the same, or even similar to, someone cracking a dick joke.
This is not "offense." This is incitement and inappropriate exercise of power. You are moving the goalposts quite a distance here.
"Offense" is seeing or hearing something that you don't approve of, and undertaking, at a minimum, a line of thought that criticizes that thing. Offense may often further extend to a verbal or written reaction, but its root remains in your own thought processes, for which you, and only you, are responsible.
If others are made responsible for what you think, then it follows that everyone is responsible for everything everyone else thinks in an unending causative loop, and as virtually everything offends someone, life would be constrained to living in an isolated environment so no one could see, hear or otherwise be exposed to you -- as your speech, appearance, actions, or even your very presence might very well be offensive to them.
It is perfectly legitimate to argue that something you find offensive, should also be found offensive by others; even so, no one has the obligation to agree with you, or even to pay you any attention. But when you impose control of others based on your perception of offense -- legislation, rule making -- now we're back to behavior that can only be valid on property you own or otherwise control (rent, have custody of, etc.)
On the other hand, tolerance, that thing we offhandedly characterize as "live and let live", is a social practice that leads to people generally not interfering with others, or even confronting them with argument. Highly recommended. It's very respectful of the personal agency of others. Note that this is not advice for discussion; it simply applies to venues and happenings that you were not involved with in the first place. There's nothing wrong with amiable discussion of issues that concern you, of course, as long as the other party(s) wish to engage.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Homosexuals I've run this list past tend to agree, and none have so far indicated feeling insulted.
Your post doesn't make any sense. Rat is accused of attacking closeted homosexuals. Pretty much by definition, you wouldn't know who they are because they aren't obliged to share their sex lives with you and chose not to. (Also, if the only homosexuals you know think that being a Republican is a good indicator of being a homosexual, your circle of friends is not a representative sample.) People aren't obliged to agree with you because of the demographic group they fall into. The sooner you, Rat, and your shitty party admits that, the better off this country will be.
Gosh offended?! This is terrible. I mean it's not like they can never look at the project, they are being FORCED to look which is practically EYE RAPE.
Women should ban together to create a new JavaScript rendering engine for web browsers. They could call it "VaJ-JS".
Not true. When I was growing up in Chicago's Little Italy neighborhood, I was the youngest (and smallest, at the time) of my cohort. Because of that, and because a movie starring Dustin Hoffman called "Midnight Cowboy" had recently been released (and we all snuck in to see it), I was given the nickname "Ratzo Rizzo". It stuck with me through high school.
The "Pope" part came from the fact that I was an altar boy at the time, and my friends liked to give me shit about it. First it was "Father" and then "Monsignor" and then, "Cardinal Ratzo" and finally, by the eighth grade, "Pope Ratzo".
The identification with the former Nazi youth Pope Benedict XIV was just a happy coincidence.
In summary, go fuck yourself, cuck.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I'm not a woman, but as a gay man I didn't find the DICSS project offensive so much as inadequate; its libraries don't really cover the full scope of its use cases, and I found myself often having to write my own custom automated code to get my project the rest of the way there.
Somehow I suspect if we managed to find a few actual women programmers, they'd share my point of view about this GitHub project. Still, it was a nice try fellas, and that restaurant you took me to was really nice, so thank you. :)
of the guys involved?
> Yes but we are talking about infants here, how do they even know that cars means speed and power?
Technically, we're not talking about infants, but rather toddlers and above - those able to say "car! To quote you, for example, "A kindergarten ..". My littlest doesn't yet pronounce any words, she's working hard on "no", but it comes out "nyam". She sees that cars are big a little bit scary. So yes, by the time they can say "car" and certainly by the time they can ride a bike ("a kindergarten") , tey know that cars are big and fast and powerful enough to carry the whole family around.
My baby, who again cannot yet speak, also knows that the cat is soft and fluffy and she likes to press her face into the cat's fur. Soft and fluffy is comfy, she wants to be close to that. Big, loud and fast is a bit scary. Surprise, she's a girl!
As in, "...it was made by a bunch of DICSS..." ?
... and I find the DICSS project hilarious.
:)
I don't find sex jokes offensive. I have learned though that I can offend male programmers a lot more than they can offend me. How? By fixing their code.
So you must prove malice for any noise ordinance to be enforced against a noisy neighbor? Reality proves you wrong.
Learn to love Alaska
So... where's the project on GitHub with jokes about Female anatomy? Maybe one with jokes about alien anatomy? GitHub projects may be publicly viewable, but they are still individuals' accounts. A person should be free to make stupid, disgusting jokes if that's their thing.
I am Anonymous Nobody and I am offended!
Classic divide and conquer propaganda. In this example, women are being cast as victims, and men are being cast as organized criminals. A cartoon involving human anatomy is being used as evidence.
From the modern left's perspective, women, Latinos, LGBTQIA all need their own Civil Rights Act to be "free at last". What a tragedy for the American zeitgeist -- to be pumped full of this hideous message.
The K-12 educator sector is 78% female -- if one of the most powerful taxpayer unions in the nation isn't diverse, how is tech company diversity a crisis? Shouldn't they hire the best that are graduated out of the Universities, regardless of other considerations? The physics community sure hired a lot of Austrians, Germans, and Jews in the 1920's. They're hiring a lot of Asians today. It's hardly surprising that successful groups can be identified.
Could it be a nurturing problem, not much more complex than raising a good dog? Who raises bad dogs, and why? Can a bad dog be recovered through training? When domesticated animals compete, the best trainer develops the best competitors.
We the People need to draft our own policies on the internet, using social commentary and polls. We should ask for input from the National Academy. Issues should be identified and addressed. Either the two tribes support the policy or they do not. They should be compelled to explain their voting record.
Tribe Left has spent decades and trillions funding policies yet the media streams out of New York and Los Angeles claim that everything is unfair. That's a major reform indicator.
> There's no question that the tech world is an overwhelmingly male place.
You can stop reading here. Some moralists sermon will follow.
Once again, leave you in peace so you can keep baselessly accusing scientists of fraud? If you want to keep baselessly accusing scientists of fraud, you're going to have to go through me first.
Once again, don't flatter yourself. Debunking misinformation and defending scientists against baseless attacks are my unhealthy obsessions. It's hardly my fault that you're one of the most prolific misinformers I've ever seen. If you didn't want people responding to your claims, you probably should've written them in a notebook instead of on a public website. It's also strange that you call my responses to your public comments "stalking and harassment" while quoting hacked private emails from years ago to baselessly attack scientists.
I'm sorry for disrupting the discussion. But I'm a little more concerned about the fact that Jane's spreading civilization-paralyzing misinformation about one of the defining issues of our time, and libeling scientists by repeatedly and baselessly accusing them of fraud.
Every minute Jane spends cussing and screaming at me is one minute he can't spend trying to confuse someone else, or attacking yet another scientist.
Charming. Jane, keep in mind that you're saying this right after adamantly rejecting the standard physics definition of the word "net", and pretending not to understand how a crayon mark representing cooler power doesn't pass through a boundary inside the cooler wall.
Looks like you were lying yet again, when you claimed that you'd be happy to declare to everyone that you were wrong about your Latour Sky Dragon Slayer nonsense. Or maybe you'd like to keep disputing basic physics definitions and the esoteric art of using crayons in a coloring book?
Actually, it's the exact opposite of that.
As Neal Stephenson famously pointed out in The Diamond Age, when you have no shared notion of ethics or morality, the only "sin" is hypocrisy. I can't judge you for not sharing my ideals, but I can judge you for violating your own.
The Barney Frank Rule states that it's okay to out someone for publicly oppressing people for doing what they do in private, no more and no less.
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Yes, it certainly does. A sudden splash that opaques your windshield and/or distorts your view -- which a water balloon can most definitely do -- can startle and disorient the driver, leading to dire consequences. Throwing water balloons at vehicles is not a harmless prank. It is a thoughtless act that can directly endanger others. It is shortsighted and naive to characterize it any other way.
First of all, rain is an act of nature. Consequently you're going to have trouble equating it to voluntary human action. Secondly, rain can indeed endanger drivers. As can sudden splashes from puddles, clouds of spray from passing trucks and so on. Mitigating these risks is a big part of why cars have windshield wipers, why companies sell products like "Rain-X", and why sane people drive differently when rain interferes with their view of the road and/or the vehicles on it. And yes, absolutely, if rain is predicted, it is factored into my driving plans. Likewise snow, hail, high winds, or sandstorms.
You have not demonstrated this in any way. You may, of course, continue to attempt to try. :)
There aren't any when offense is the metric. There certainly are where incitement is concerned, though. You put your finger right on one of them: when incitement is directed at someone who is not competent to take responsibility for their own actions -- such as your putative mentally ill minor.
Pleasure is real and measurable with medical tools as well. So is itching, the length of your fingernails, and the salinity of your tear ducts. The point is that measurement is not the determinant. The determinant is, is it harmful, and with offense, the answer is no unless you undertake self-caused harm entirely on your own.
For your benefit, from my other writings:
What offends you may not offend me. And vice-versa. What serves no purpose for you, may serve a purpose for me. Be it intended offense, or otherwise, or both at once.
No one in the USA (or anywhere with sane law) has the "right to not be offended." Being offended is subjective. It has everything to do with you as an individual, or as part of a particular group; it varies due to your moral conditioning, your religious beliefs, your upbringing, your education; what offends one person or group (of any size) may not offend another, nor a person of another grouping; and in the final analysis, it is also flawed in that it requires one person to attempt to read the mind of other persons they do not know in order to anticipate whether a specific action will cause offense in the mind of another.
And no, codifying an action in law is not in any way sufficient... it is well established that not even lawyers can know the law well enough to anticipate what is legal, and what is not -- any more than you can guess what is offensive to me, or not.
Sane law relies on the basic idea that we try not to risk or cause harm to the bodies, finances and reputations of others without them consenting and being aware of the risks. It does not rely on the idea that we "must not cause offense." It relies on the idea that we must not cause harm.
Law that bans something based upon the idea that some individual or group simply finds the behavior objectionable is the very worst kind of law, utterly devoid of consideration of others, while absolutely permeated in self-indulgence.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Wow you are a butt-hurt pussy bitch. So any male that cracks a dick joke subconsciously wants to suck cocks all day and either can't or won't admit it to himself? Freud's shitty hypotheses at least had the excuse that he shot cocaine for many years.
The fuck is your excuse?
I agree.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The university is not a government institution and they didn't send these kids to jail. The university chose to no longer affiliate with that particular frat.
Well, actually, the University of Oklahoma is a public--meaning government--institution. Given your errant assumption, I don't think the rest of your post needs replying to?
I believe the university will win (and it should). So, when will we know who's right and who's wrong?
Right in terms of predictions? In a couple of months or years? :-) Right in terms of "good outcome or bad outcome"? That's another question. I don't believe the government should be able to punish unpopular speech. That's also pretty much the accepted case law--universities cannot punish students based solely on unpopular speech.
The law doesn't agree. If you deliberately try to aggravate people, you can and will be charged. Whether it's for verbal assault or one of the nuisance laws, there are plenty of ways to compel someone deliberately causing harm from causing that harm.
I should have been more clear. Absolutely there are a very few specific exceptions. Threats of immediate violence are not protected speech--for instance, if the frat members had said "we're going to kill some n*rs" that is a clear threat of violence. That is not protected. Another (famous) example is shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater creating a potentially deadly situation. None of these situations apply here.
Contrary to what you say, you can be aggravating and you can even try to deliberately aggravate people without breaking the law! Think of those "god hates fags" morons. That's pretty much as hateful, stupid, and aggravating as you can get, but it's still protected speech.
So you must prove malice for any noise ordinance to be enforced against a noisy neighbor? Reality proves you wrong.
Whoever claimed that "malice" was involved in the standard is quite wrong, but it's worth noting that local noise ordinances are struck down as unconstitutional all the time.
Wow. A joke is a joke , sexual harassment is just that. If your offended by a joke that's ridiculous.
Contrary to what you say, you can be aggravating and you can even try to deliberately aggravate people without breaking the law! Think of those "god hates fags" morons. That's pretty much as hateful, stupid, and aggravating as you can get, but it's still protected speech.
"fighting words" and "incitement" are illegal acts in many places, and there's a fine line for what are illegal words.
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Noise ordinances are constitutional. Vague and confusing laws are unconstitutional. The problem is if most of the laws on #1 fit in category #2. It doesn't mean anything about #1, other than lawmakers are dumb.
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Seems to me you've just picked a couple more unpopular groups to insult!
Not exactly. A noise ordinance that specifically targeted, e.g., loud rap music (but not loud classical music or loud NPR playing--if such a thing exists!), would be considered an unconstitutional law. The law doesn't have to be vague or confusing to be unconstitutional, though vague or confusing laws certainly can be unconstitutional tool!
I cannot determine which of the narrowly defined punishable exemptions from the first amendment the Okies would fall under? They weren't inciting, they weren't fighting, there was no public danger, etc. It was just plain, dumb, hateful speech. And hateful speech is protected.
What do you think?
Once again, you disputed my simple substitution of the standard physics definition of the term "net" into your equation, and simultaneously insisted that you don't dispute the standard physics definition.
Who do you think that's going to fool, Jane? I don't think it's likely to fool anyone who understands what a "definition" is. Not to mention the fact that you repeatedly pretended not to understand how a crayon mark representing cooler power doesn't pass through a boundary inside the cooler wall.
If you're actually this confused about basic physics, why are you lecturing physicists about physics?
If you're not actually confused, why has Jane/Lonny Eachus betrayed humanity?
I looked up the ones found unconstitutional, and they were all ruled unconstitutional for being vague. A noise ordinance that used dB levels and specific times should be fine. But "too loud, causes discomfort" or such would be too vague.
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Yup, that's how it works.
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Posting something on github is not the same as stepping into a TV broadcast. Now dancing into the frame on your own TV broadcast would be a good analogy, in which case if someone told me off I'd tell them things in very unprofessional ways.
Two words that might help: Streisand Effect.
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There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
I fundamentally disagree with several of the articles of the bill of no rights, specifically articles I, IV, V, and IX.
Let me explain. Article I, IV, and V are revolve specifically around the distribution of wealth. Wealth is really a measure of the division of resources within a society. Currently, this division is highly inequitable in our society, typically based not on how much input you put into society as a whole, but rather, based on your status as either poor or rich (ie how much wealth you currently have). Those who are poor get very little, those who are rich get richer. Its a tired pattern. Why shouldn't people share based on how much they put in, rather than how much they currently have? Frankly, I'd rather have society simply based resource allocation on simply needs. If your hungry, you get fed etc. Of course, this also brings into play articles IV and V, which state specifically that you don't have a right to food, housing, or health care, something I would completely disagree with.
But, I would also argue that in exchange for 'free' food, housing, health care, and anything else you need, that you would input into society your best effort. You can't be lazy, you must give to society what you can, in the form of your best effort to achieve a meaningful life. This could be in the form of work, but preferably should be something you want to do, versus have to do. It should be in the form of some talent that you are best suited too, that others can not do as good as you. If that's designing clothes, then great, you become a designer. If it's building cars, awesome. If it's providing a service such as a doctor, lawyer, brick layer, ditch digger, then great. I have known people who actually prefer the simply labour of ditch digging.
This leads me into Article IX, I believe people do have a right to a meaningful existance. This includes the right to pursue a job/career/hobby to its full fruition, with the assumption that society deems that activity worthwhile.
See http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm for a possible expression of what I would call a good experiment in building a new society.
Clearly the ideas in manna are not perfect, but I would say that the society in manna is easily better than what we have currently.
Note that the first part of manna also shows what we are likely headed towards instead, and its not a society I would want to live in.
4) Being an artist
5) Having good taste in clothes.
If you don't like it, then fork the project.
FOSS software is still something people are doing for free for the common good. If you don't like something about the free thing you're downloading for no cost that doesn't actively harm your computer, then that's your problem, and nobody else's.
Jane, that's the most charitable explanation for all your baseless accusations.
Again, your accusations were baseless, and you reasonably should have known that. Instead, you doubled down and tripled down on your baseless accusations of fraudulent bullshit lies. And now you're quadrupling down.
For some reason Jane doesn't seem to grasp the irony of him lecturing scientists about what scientists think.
Perhaps an analogy could help. Jane, suppose someone who had never professionally programmed using Ruby on Rails asked you how most Ruby programmers would solve a problem. Because you're a professional Ruby programmer and you generously assume this person is asking in good faith out of genuine curiosity, you tell him how most Ruby programmers would solve that problem.
In response, that person (who's not a professional Ruby programmer) accuses you of incompetence, and insists that he knows how most Ruby programmers would solve the problem better than you do.
At this point, if you're feeling generous, you might provide a link to a poll showing that most professional Ruby programmers do in fact solve the problem that way. In response, he accuses the professional programmers who organized the poll of fraudulent bullshit lies.
Wouldn't that seem a little ridiculous?
Now remember your baseless accusations that scientists who point out the overwhelming scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change are guilty of fraudulent bullshit lies. Don't you think it's even a little ridiculous that you're lecturing scientists about what scientists think?
For some reason Jane doesn't seem to grasp the irony of him lecturing scientists about what scientists think.
Perhaps an analogy could help. Jane, suppose someone who had never professionally programmed using Ruby on Rails asked you how most Ruby programmers would solve a problem. Because you're a professional Ruby programmer and you generously assume this person is asking in good faith out of genuine curiosity, you tell him how most Ruby programmers would solve that problem.
In response, that person (who's not a professional Ruby programmer) accuses you of incompetence, and insists that he knows how most Ruby programmers would solve the problem better than you do.
At this point, if you're feeling generous, you might provide a link to a poll showing that most professional Ruby programmers do in fact solve the problem that way. In response, he accuses the professional programmers who organized the poll of fraudulent bullshit lies.
Wouldn't that seem a little ridiculous?
Now remember your baseless accusations that scientists who point out the overwhelming scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change are guilty of fraudulent bullshit lies. Don't you think it's even a little ridiculous that you're lecturing scientists about what scientists think?
Good grief. When have I ever said false things? Since Jane claims this happens "VERY frequently" it should be easy to link to a single, solitary example.
Jane seems to be saying he isn't lecturing scientists about science. That's absurd, Jane. You're lecturing me about what scientists think right here! In fact, you just accused me of knowingly lying because I've pointed out that your baseless accusations about what scientists think are... baseless accusations.
Jane seems to be stuck in a recursive loop where his baseless accusations of fraudulent bullshit lies spawn more baseless accusations of lying.
The ironic icing on this cake is the fact that Jane still hasn't admitted he was wrong when he repeated the same false Sky Dragon Slayer things in public over and over.
Oops, I meant to write that "Jane seems to be saying he isn't lecturing scientists about what scientists think."
Lecturing scientists about science is Jane's other hobby.
As expected, Jane provides absolutely no links to back up any of his accusations. And still no evidence that Jane grasps the irony of his lecturing scientists about what scientists think.
And Jane still hasn't admitted he was wrong when he repeated the same false Sky Dragon Slayer things in public over and over.
Is that why you repeatedly bring up the KKK? Because it's a good way to piss a lot of people off?
Lonny leaps into action.
Lonny leaps into action once again.