Which desktop, if you don't mind me asking? I have tried a lot of KDE seems the most usable. At least you can adjust the mouse wheel scroll speed in KDE.
What's your obsession with ignoring formal drivecycle measurements?
I don't ignore them, but I'm also aware that they are not terribly realistic either. If you drive at motorway speed you will get less, if you drive efficiently you will get a lot more. The NTSB rating is in the middle and represents some kind of mixed motorway/urban driving cycle.
But really this obsession with exact range numbers is pointless. The point I'm making here is that unless you do a 8+ hours of driving in a single day the greater range and lower charge speed cancel out and you end up with about the same travel time in a Kona or M3 SR. It's not something that would justify buying one over the other for most people, certainly much less of a consideration than if they want a compact SUV or low sporty hatchback.
Okay, add in remote climate control start. Remote charge monitoring. GPS tracking. Remote driving access granting. Giant glass windows. Far more trunk space. Well more interior space. Non-cheapo-hard-plastic interior. 15" touchscreen with smooth, responsive interface. Vastly more power. Significantly better handling. Keyless entry. Best-in-class voice controls.
Actually the Kona has keyless entry but them M3 doesn't really. It has that janky phone link that requires you to keep the battery draining Bluetooth enabled, or it has a card you have to touch the door pillar.
If we are trying to match the exact same spec then you bad better add ventilated seats, unlimited (US) or 8 year 200k mile (EU) battery warranty, lower service costs, Android Auto, Apple Carplay, wireless phone charging, driver attention monitoring, physical buttons, reliable non-beta rain sensitive wipers, HUD...
Maybe we should also measure the panel gaps if you really want to play this game. But in reality most people will choose based on if they want a compact SUV and lower monthly payments or if they want a squat, sporty hatchback for a few dollars more.
Yes, stopping and putting your flashers on is so much more dangerous than driving like you're on heroin until you crash. Sure.
So what is the actual scenario we are considering here. Driver passes out? Driver is busy sending a text?
If you're only here to push transparent FUD, my conversations with you are done.
It's not FUD that AP has a known issue with stationary vehicles, as do most humans driving at motorway speeds. Averages have nothing to do with it, we are talking about a specific scenario for which we have evidence of a systemic flaw. Or perhaps "limitation" would be a better word, since the driver is supposed to prevent such accidents.
He drive 510km at normal highway speed in Norway in the tyres/wheels that the car comes with. What do you want Rei, what specific set-up do you require for the Rei Certified Efficient Driving Range Test?
His long-range run was at 120kph, not 125
Look at the speedometer. Anyway, who cares? He was doing the speed limit or slightly above. Most of Europe has the same limit. He got 220 miles, which is the same as the similarly priced Model 3 SR gets with efficient driving. The point is undeniable, even if you do want to quibble over 5 kph.
And your beloved Model 3 also tanks efficiency at higher speeds. That's how drag works. And the Kona is still showing better efficiency at 120 kph in Bjorn's test.
Model 3 LR starts at $44k USD. You're adding PUP and who knows what else in.
I'm adding autopilot, because the Kona has something similar. You get fewer luxuries in the M3 at that price, but it's broadly similar.
Here, let's quote from the comments section of that video:
Really, you are quoting the YouTube comments section now? And you take that over what Bjorn, an exert on EVs who has driven them all and extensively tested multiple steering assist systems, says?
Anyway, I'm not convinced that coming to a stop in the middle of a 120km/h highway is such a good idea either. Especially since Autopilot tends to just ram straight into stationary vehicles without bothering to slow down. That sounds even more suicidal.
If lane keeping alone was that dangerous then we would already see all these frequent fatalities as people with cruise control and lane keeping take their hands off the wheel and get little more than a beep or a nudge in the many millions of vehicles that already have it.
Sales go live in Europe on the 2nd. Orders placed then are due for delivery in September. They have been delivering in Korea for a while, I don't know about the US because I didn't look.
The thing with having 300 miles range is that charging is much easier. You can fit it around your more human needs like bathroom breaks and eating. If a charger is occupied or whatever just drive on to the next. It's not like the old 24kWh cars where for distance driving you have maybe a couple of suitable chargers on your route to avoid big delays or too much risk.
The Kona doesn't charge as fast as a Tesla, but it also costs $20,000 less than the MR LR + AP. And it does charge at 450 kph, so half an hour of charging gets you a solid 2 hours of highway driving. So basically you can arrive a little earlier on your occasional 800km+ trip for an extra $20,000.
Actually the Kona should be significantly faster than your Model S over distance. It's more efficient and gets better range. But then I hear that CCS charging in the US is not very good, especially compared to Europe where the network is pretty comprehensive and reliable.
Of course there are other more practical reasons to prefer one or the other, such as the shape or wanting a particular type of car.
There are so many ethical issues to think about with sexbots, but as ever I doubt anyone really will and it won't be until penises are ripped off that some effort is made.
It's not hard to imagine the problems people are going to experience with their sexbots. Forgot to charge it, and there is no lock-out for initiating a bondage session with less than 80% battery life. Was getting ridden when their 150kg BBW model decides to install a critical update and goes limp. Driven into poverty by sexbot addiction and DLC. Mid-blowjob the bot demands 0.23852 BTC to release your penis.
Ubuntu's popularity is strange. Everyone hated Windows 8 and it's touch enabled mobile-OS style start screen, the charm bar and all that bollocks, but what does Ubuntu have? The same crap UI, except half of it doesn't even work properly.
The whole thing is dumbed down to insane proportions. Where is the setting to adjust the mouse wheel sensitivity? Why are all the icons giant like a bad Windows Vista knock-off?
Seems like desktop UI design peaked in the 90s and almost everything since has just made it worse. If Linux could reach the level of the best 90s desktops it could be a great option.
We have been over all this. Bjorn did 510km in a Kona with normal driving, not hypermiling or anything. He was seeing over 350km range at 125km/h, so exceeding the speed limit constantly. And you are trying to compare with the M3 LR, a car that costs $20,000 more for a similar spec.
Bjorn also noted how well the autopilot works. His only criticism is that it doesn't slow down if you release your hands from the wheel, so pretty much the same as Tesla used to be until the latest software update that owners are moaning about.
CCS is good in Europe. Let's say for the sake of argument you drive really inefficiently and only get 350km range. You have better range than the similarly priced Model 3 SR so the slower charge is offset against the longer distance you travel before needing to charge. So really it's only on the second charge that the M3 starts to have an advantage, or after 700km or about 7 hours of solid driving. By being slightly more efficient you can push that to about 9 hours and still arrive at the same time as the M3.
Maybe you need to drive for more than 9 hours a day, but now we are into "EVs are crap because my off-grid remote mountain cabin can't charge them" territory.
I don't think we are ever going to agree, but perhaps we can at least get as far as agreeing that the most suitable comparison is the M3 SR with AP. It costs a little more than the top spec Kona but is similar in terms of the major features.
Unfortunately it's as bad from both sides. You have the people who want Tesla to fail for whatever reason, and the fanboys who can't accept that any other EV might not be a steaming pile of shit.
Tesla makes some good cars. They have also had a lot of quality issues, and their prices are pretty high. Good luck to them, we need more EVs. At the same time, companies like Hyundai and Nissan/Renault have made some good cars too, starting from the affordable end of the market instead, and are now releasing cars with 300 mile range and features like autopilot. Hooray for them too.
Other car makers are selling some great EVs too. The Hyundai Kona is the first affordable, long range model, for example. It's got autopilot, 300 mile range, decent performance etc. Costs $20,000 less than a Model 3 equivalent and is available to buy. Unlimited battery warranty too.
Nissan really screwed up with the latest revision of the Leaf, but the one due later this year might allow them to recover. Should have a similar range to the Kona.
Kia has the Niro due early next year, should be a little lower range (maybe 260) but larger than the Kona.
When they finally get around to releasing the Model 3 SR in Europe it might be an interesting competitor to these cars. It's sportier but of course that means it's also quite squat and less comfortable. But the long range affordable end of the market is already being being served and I think by the time Tesla do start making their affordable model it will actually be kinda expensive compared to the other vehicles on offer, especially since Tesla always charges list price with no-one pays list on all the others.
People don't fact check all the stuff they read. Most of the time they don't even read TFA, it's not just a Slashdot tradition it's everywhere.
That's how this stuff works. It's just believable enough for people to not bother questioning it or reading too deeply. Over time it skews their world view and they start believing the really crazy stuff.
Your post is an example of the kind of fake news they are taking about. A populist message with little basis in reality, designed to appeal to a specific demographic.
How many Slashdot users who claim it's easy to fact check stuff online have actually just read it, nodded because it confirms their existing views on millennials, and scrolled on.
How many gas/coal plants are they closing? When people talk about all the fossil plants being built in Germany and China they always forget to mention that they are closing even more.
Rather than just read the wanted ads, why not write to them speculatively? I've had jobs by doing that before. Saves them the hassle of advertising the position or paying a recruitment agency.
Yes, the so called Surinder Singh route. In fact I am exercising my treaty rights before Brexit hits, but don't plan to return to the UK if I can help it. The UK is not a nice place for foreigners any more - I've had abuse just for talking on the phone in other languages.
The Guardian regularly has stories about this, but just consider the requirements for a spouse visa.
You need to meet the minimum income threshold, and be able to prove it. Very difficult if you are self employed, or in the gig economy. You need to prove your relationship is genuine, which usually means having lived together for at least six months. And you need to prove that, so joint utility bills and other evidence of cohabitation, which can be quite tricky and a lot of people don't realize they need to get their partner's name on the bills until they apply.
There is also the English language requirement. You have to have a certificate if you don't come from an English speaking country or have a degree taught in English. It's relatively difficult (GCSE level), gets harder ever year and is of course expensive. Tuition depends on where you live, and the test is around £150.
Then you have the costs, currently £1523 for the first visa (6 months), plus £500 health surcharge every year, plus associated costs like legal advice (typically £1500+). Expect to spend about £150 on international postage. Oh, and your spouse will have to travel to the nearest UK visa centre, which could be in another country if you are unlucky.
Any slight mistake or ambiguity and they will refuse you. Then you have to get at least three more visas before you have "indefinite leave to remain", and more if you want citizenship. Total cost is around £10,000 if everything goes smoothly, double if you have issues.
They refused us a marriage visa on the grounds that my wife used the Chinese transliteration of my name rather than the English version. She doesn't speak English, and the examiner didn't seem to realize that she was using my actual name. There is no right of appeal, you have to start again and pay all the visa fees again.
I had my own "office", more of a windowless room with some equipment but still it was mine. I hated it, left for an open plan with about 5-6 people in it and much preferred it.
Even if you can get a visa, which is pretty difficulty and will require a lot of paperwork you might not have, when you get here you will be living in fear. Fear that the Home Office decides to deny the next sequential visa you need, fear that they will decide to revoke your current one.
When they do that they will send you a letter telling your wife she has 7 days to leave the UK. You will then go into panic mode and spend thousands on legal fees and appealing, not to mention the stress.
Your wife will be a second class citizen for at least five years, and even after that is at risk of being targeted by the Home Office. We have people who have been living in the UK for 30 years getting deported, even people who were born here but couldn't prove their right to live in the UK because they don't have paperwork from decades ago.
If you are a British citizen you could take advantage of freedom of movement and move to a better EU country. You will have to hurry because Brexit is coming, but for now you could go anywhere for work and then it's very easy to get a visa for your wife and she will have all the same rights as you do. Ireland is popular due to the language, but most northern European countries work in English at a lot of places and a great countries to live in. Or head south if you like the weather.
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Which desktop, if you don't mind me asking? I have tried a lot of KDE seems the most usable. At least you can adjust the mouse wheel scroll speed in KDE.
What's your obsession with ignoring formal drivecycle measurements?
I don't ignore them, but I'm also aware that they are not terribly realistic either. If you drive at motorway speed you will get less, if you drive efficiently you will get a lot more. The NTSB rating is in the middle and represents some kind of mixed motorway/urban driving cycle.
But really this obsession with exact range numbers is pointless. The point I'm making here is that unless you do a 8+ hours of driving in a single day the greater range and lower charge speed cancel out and you end up with about the same travel time in a Kona or M3 SR. It's not something that would justify buying one over the other for most people, certainly much less of a consideration than if they want a compact SUV or low sporty hatchback.
Okay, add in remote climate control start. Remote charge monitoring. GPS tracking. Remote driving access granting. Giant glass windows. Far more trunk space. Well more interior space. Non-cheapo-hard-plastic interior. 15" touchscreen with smooth, responsive interface. Vastly more power. Significantly better handling. Keyless entry. Best-in-class voice controls.
Actually the Kona has keyless entry but them M3 doesn't really. It has that janky phone link that requires you to keep the battery draining Bluetooth enabled, or it has a card you have to touch the door pillar.
If we are trying to match the exact same spec then you bad better add ventilated seats, unlimited (US) or 8 year 200k mile (EU) battery warranty, lower service costs, Android Auto, Apple Carplay, wireless phone charging, driver attention monitoring, physical buttons, reliable non-beta rain sensitive wipers, HUD...
Maybe we should also measure the panel gaps if you really want to play this game. But in reality most people will choose based on if they want a compact SUV and lower monthly payments or if they want a squat, sporty hatchback for a few dollars more.
Yes, stopping and putting your flashers on is so much more dangerous than driving like you're on heroin until you crash. Sure.
So what is the actual scenario we are considering here. Driver passes out? Driver is busy sending a text?
If you're only here to push transparent FUD, my conversations with you are done.
It's not FUD that AP has a known issue with stationary vehicles, as do most humans driving at motorway speeds. Averages have nothing to do with it, we are talking about a specific scenario for which we have evidence of a systemic flaw. Or perhaps "limitation" would be a better word, since the driver is supposed to prevent such accidents.
I have been using the same Samsung PS2 optical mouse since about 1999. No replacement parts.
For modern stuff Elecom do some good mice.
He drive 510km at normal highway speed in Norway in the tyres/wheels that the car comes with. What do you want Rei, what specific set-up do you require for the Rei Certified Efficient Driving Range Test?
His long-range run was at 120kph, not 125
Look at the speedometer. Anyway, who cares? He was doing the speed limit or slightly above. Most of Europe has the same limit. He got 220 miles, which is the same as the similarly priced Model 3 SR gets with efficient driving. The point is undeniable, even if you do want to quibble over 5 kph.
And your beloved Model 3 also tanks efficiency at higher speeds. That's how drag works. And the Kona is still showing better efficiency at 120 kph in Bjorn's test.
Many places drive faster.
Here's a comprehensive list: https://www.theaa.ie/aa/motori...
Most are 120, and handful 130.
Model 3 LR starts at $44k USD. You're adding PUP and who knows what else in.
I'm adding autopilot, because the Kona has something similar. You get fewer luxuries in the M3 at that price, but it's broadly similar.
Here, let's quote from the comments section of that video:
Really, you are quoting the YouTube comments section now? And you take that over what Bjorn, an exert on EVs who has driven them all and extensively tested multiple steering assist systems, says?
Anyway, I'm not convinced that coming to a stop in the middle of a 120km/h highway is such a good idea either. Especially since Autopilot tends to just ram straight into stationary vehicles without bothering to slow down. That sounds even more suicidal.
If lane keeping alone was that dangerous then we would already see all these frequent fatalities as people with cruise control and lane keeping take their hands off the wheel and get little more than a beep or a nudge in the many millions of vehicles that already have it.
Sales go live in Europe on the 2nd. Orders placed then are due for delivery in September. They have been delivering in Korea for a while, I don't know about the US because I didn't look.
The thing with having 300 miles range is that charging is much easier. You can fit it around your more human needs like bathroom breaks and eating. If a charger is occupied or whatever just drive on to the next. It's not like the old 24kWh cars where for distance driving you have maybe a couple of suitable chargers on your route to avoid big delays or too much risk.
The Kona doesn't charge as fast as a Tesla, but it also costs $20,000 less than the MR LR + AP. And it does charge at 450 kph, so half an hour of charging gets you a solid 2 hours of highway driving. So basically you can arrive a little earlier on your occasional 800km+ trip for an extra $20,000.
Actually the Kona should be significantly faster than your Model S over distance. It's more efficient and gets better range. But then I hear that CCS charging in the US is not very good, especially compared to Europe where the network is pretty comprehensive and reliable.
Of course there are other more practical reasons to prefer one or the other, such as the shape or wanting a particular type of car.
There are so many ethical issues to think about with sexbots, but as ever I doubt anyone really will and it won't be until penises are ripped off that some effort is made.
It's not hard to imagine the problems people are going to experience with their sexbots. Forgot to charge it, and there is no lock-out for initiating a bondage session with less than 80% battery life. Was getting ridden when their 150kg BBW model decides to install a critical update and goes limp. Driven into poverty by sexbot addiction and DLC. Mid-blowjob the bot demands 0.23852 BTC to release your penis.
WINE actually seems to be quite good now.
Ubuntu's popularity is strange. Everyone hated Windows 8 and it's touch enabled mobile-OS style start screen, the charm bar and all that bollocks, but what does Ubuntu have? The same crap UI, except half of it doesn't even work properly.
The whole thing is dumbed down to insane proportions. Where is the setting to adjust the mouse wheel sensitivity? Why are all the icons giant like a bad Windows Vista knock-off?
Seems like desktop UI design peaked in the 90s and almost everything since has just made it worse. If Linux could reach the level of the best 90s desktops it could be a great option.
THIS type of article is the ones I remember from /.'s days of yore.
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Mojang (makers of Minecraft) have gone full SJW retard
Do I even need to explain it?
The pre-order deposit is fully refundable until you order. I know a few people who have had their refunds lately.
They have a reputation for making priced crap, kinda like Beats headphones... Kinda like Logitech used to be, in fact.
We have been over all this. Bjorn did 510km in a Kona with normal driving, not hypermiling or anything. He was seeing over 350km range at 125km/h, so exceeding the speed limit constantly. And you are trying to compare with the M3 LR, a car that costs $20,000 more for a similar spec.
Bjorn also noted how well the autopilot works. His only criticism is that it doesn't slow down if you release your hands from the wheel, so pretty much the same as Tesla used to be until the latest software update that owners are moaning about.
CCS is good in Europe. Let's say for the sake of argument you drive really inefficiently and only get 350km range. You have better range than the similarly priced Model 3 SR so the slower charge is offset against the longer distance you travel before needing to charge. So really it's only on the second charge that the M3 starts to have an advantage, or after 700km or about 7 hours of solid driving. By being slightly more efficient you can push that to about 9 hours and still arrive at the same time as the M3.
Maybe you need to drive for more than 9 hours a day, but now we are into "EVs are crap because my off-grid remote mountain cabin can't charge them" territory.
I don't think we are ever going to agree, but perhaps we can at least get as far as agreeing that the most suitable comparison is the M3 SR with AP. It costs a little more than the top spec Kona but is similar in terms of the major features.
Unfortunately it's as bad from both sides. You have the people who want Tesla to fail for whatever reason, and the fanboys who can't accept that any other EV might not be a steaming pile of shit.
Tesla makes some good cars. They have also had a lot of quality issues, and their prices are pretty high. Good luck to them, we need more EVs. At the same time, companies like Hyundai and Nissan/Renault have made some good cars too, starting from the affordable end of the market instead, and are now releasing cars with 300 mile range and features like autopilot. Hooray for them too.
Other car makers are selling some great EVs too. The Hyundai Kona is the first affordable, long range model, for example. It's got autopilot, 300 mile range, decent performance etc. Costs $20,000 less than a Model 3 equivalent and is available to buy. Unlimited battery warranty too.
Nissan really screwed up with the latest revision of the Leaf, but the one due later this year might allow them to recover. Should have a similar range to the Kona.
Kia has the Niro due early next year, should be a little lower range (maybe 260) but larger than the Kona.
When they finally get around to releasing the Model 3 SR in Europe it might be an interesting competitor to these cars. It's sportier but of course that means it's also quite squat and less comfortable. But the long range affordable end of the market is already being being served and I think by the time Tesla do start making their affordable model it will actually be kinda expensive compared to the other vehicles on offer, especially since Tesla always charges list price with no-one pays list on all the others.
People don't fact check all the stuff they read. Most of the time they don't even read TFA, it's not just a Slashdot tradition it's everywhere.
That's how this stuff works. It's just believable enough for people to not bother questioning it or reading too deeply. Over time it skews their world view and they start believing the really crazy stuff.
Your post is an example of the kind of fake news they are taking about. A populist message with little basis in reality, designed to appeal to a specific demographic.
How many Slashdot users who claim it's easy to fact check stuff online have actually just read it, nodded because it confirms their existing views on millennials, and scrolled on.
Have you seen TFA? It's just a choice between one set of incomprehensible icons and another.
How many gas/coal plants are they closing? When people talk about all the fossil plants being built in Germany and China they always forget to mention that they are closing even more.
Don't forget "it's a boondoggle for big solar" and "solar panels pollute worse than coal!"
Rather than just read the wanted ads, why not write to them speculatively? I've had jobs by doing that before. Saves them the hassle of advertising the position or paying a recruitment agency.
Yes, the so called Surinder Singh route. In fact I am exercising my treaty rights before Brexit hits, but don't plan to return to the UK if I can help it. The UK is not a nice place for foreigners any more - I've had abuse just for talking on the phone in other languages.
I think he was referring to "crazy, diseased, or a criminal".
The Guardian regularly has stories about this, but just consider the requirements for a spouse visa.
You need to meet the minimum income threshold, and be able to prove it. Very difficult if you are self employed, or in the gig economy. You need to prove your relationship is genuine, which usually means having lived together for at least six months. And you need to prove that, so joint utility bills and other evidence of cohabitation, which can be quite tricky and a lot of people don't realize they need to get their partner's name on the bills until they apply.
There is also the English language requirement. You have to have a certificate if you don't come from an English speaking country or have a degree taught in English. It's relatively difficult (GCSE level), gets harder ever year and is of course expensive. Tuition depends on where you live, and the test is around £150.
Then you have the costs, currently £1523 for the first visa (6 months), plus £500 health surcharge every year, plus associated costs like legal advice (typically £1500+). Expect to spend about £150 on international postage. Oh, and your spouse will have to travel to the nearest UK visa centre, which could be in another country if you are unlucky.
Any slight mistake or ambiguity and they will refuse you. Then you have to get at least three more visas before you have "indefinite leave to remain", and more if you want citizenship. Total cost is around £10,000 if everything goes smoothly, double if you have issues.
Some info here: https://migrate.org.uk/spouse-...
They refused us a marriage visa on the grounds that my wife used the Chinese transliteration of my name rather than the English version. She doesn't speak English, and the examiner didn't seem to realize that she was using my actual name. There is no right of appeal, you have to start again and pay all the visa fees again.
I had my own "office", more of a windowless room with some equipment but still it was mine. I hated it, left for an open plan with about 5-6 people in it and much preferred it.
I wouldn't risk it.
Even if you can get a visa, which is pretty difficulty and will require a lot of paperwork you might not have, when you get here you will be living in fear. Fear that the Home Office decides to deny the next sequential visa you need, fear that they will decide to revoke your current one.
When they do that they will send you a letter telling your wife she has 7 days to leave the UK. You will then go into panic mode and spend thousands on legal fees and appealing, not to mention the stress.
Your wife will be a second class citizen for at least five years, and even after that is at risk of being targeted by the Home Office. We have people who have been living in the UK for 30 years getting deported, even people who were born here but couldn't prove their right to live in the UK because they don't have paperwork from decades ago.
If you are a British citizen you could take advantage of freedom of movement and move to a better EU country. You will have to hurry because Brexit is coming, but for now you could go anywhere for work and then it's very easy to get a visa for your wife and she will have all the same rights as you do. Ireland is popular due to the language, but most northern European countries work in English at a lot of places and a great countries to live in. Or head south if you like the weather.