That's the old registration. They are moving to a new registration which requires email address, job title, job category, number of people in your company, zip code, etc. For some reason, I get the registration form for some stories and not others. And sometimes going back and then hit the link again will bypass the registration. At any rate, since it said I had to enter email and password, I thought it would require confirmation through email. So I lied on all questions, gave an obscene bogus email address figuring to hell with the WP from now on, and then it logged me in! "Welcome, [obscene name]!" it said. So, no email confirmation yet, and even though their announcement says local zips will have to put in a postal address as well, that wasn't the case for me. Still pisses me off. Why bother with a paper that goes to great lengths to make stupid puns of every headline it can?
Good description, but I disagree with your assessment that "it's difficult to 'start with the easy stuff and learn the tough stuff as you go along' - Zope doesn't really lend itself to that approach."
On the contrary, with built-in authentication, roles, template engine, through-the-web editing, etc, etc, Zope makes it easy to build simple sites quickly with little digging into documentation. Heck, the outdated built-in tutorial is good enough for that, and the Zope Book (free online) is very good at getting you headed down the road to more complex web applications. Plone has done a great job of taking the framework that is the CMF and polishing it into a more 'approachable to mere mortals' product. That said, I'm one of those who don't believe Plone is the answer for all Zope application problems. Also, if you've never done web development using PHP, ASP, JSP or the like, then you'll have more than just the Zope learning curve to climb (thus you'll hear the complaint, "where's the content on the screen actually coming from?").
From what I've seen as a long time Zope user/developer who has management 'buy-in' and other developers now using Zope, the Perl hackers and people comfortable in a *nix environment take to Zope well. They know how to dig for answers. The developers raised on a diet of VisualBasic and who think Access is database development are flummoxed because they no longer have an IDE telling them what to do, and they don't grok using the source (by the way, there's also the DocFinderEverywhere product, quite helpful). I know this comes across as a flame, but it simply is what I experience at work. I don't deny that Zope suffers from confusing, often outdated, inconsistent and even contradictory documentation, but there are plenty of resources. The resource sitting at the keyboard is also critical.
When they get it where multiple Firebirds can run each in their own process, I'll be happy. (someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I saw this request on their bugzilla, with it being low priority).
Don't be surprised when the Army adds to the feature requirements: robotic dogs must have bees in their mouth and when they bark they shoot bees at you.
I think your lecturer was displaying a bit of British language purism, Queen's English and all that (of course the Queen's English... ba da boom!). Spot his spelling of 'realised', not 'realized'. Make the appropriate nationalistic slurs, not all boors are American. Have a good day.
That's funny, I thought the erudite poster was speaking of British practice, because I (American) have never heard such a rule and I do hear Americans say things like "one thousand five hundred and one". Perhaps the poster is indeed American, but I think it's telling that you made that assumption.
And what a know-it-all about what it takes to accomplish space missions! Start everything from scratch again? Rubbish.
At the Conference on 20th & 21st Century Space Flight (Dec 18), this point was raised: Prior to Apollo, when JFK announced the goal to go to the Moon, America did not have a significant aerospace industry, with the contractor base, manufacturing capabilities, processes, and the entire infrastructure that we have now. That was all built during the Apollo missions. So even if the lunar landing was a Cold War "show-off", it paved the way for the space capabilities that we now take for granted. Just because we aren't now living on the Moon doesn't mean it was a waste (but I am disappointed we don't have a Mars base at this point -- I was 5 at Apollo 11 and thought we'd be further along in space than we are now).
Except that it is Sun who has mischaracterized their product! When JDS was announced and I read about it, I wondered what the heck this has to do with Java other than the branding value of the word 'Java'. I remember previous attempts at a true Java (that is, written in Java) OS, now here they come with a Gnome-derived Desktop Environment and they say it's Java. No wonder a person is quoted in the article, "If Sun had the interests of the customer in mind, then the Sun desktop would be written in C...[instead of Java]". Smack that guy with a clue and point them to Gnome source, but Sun isn't helping things a bit.
I currently don't do much Java development, but I can now see why some people are leery of putting too many of their eggs in the Java basket. If Sun can decide "this is Java, this here is not Java" based on marketing, and not technology, how can a developer feel secure about their time investment?
uh.... watch the beginning of your rented or purchased copy of a movie, and I believe it will contain an FBI warning about the illegal nature of making unauthorized copies. That would include sitting in your home with a camcorder pointed at your home theater system (if you were to later distribute that copy). Nothing new here.
You pull something along - it can only come towards you.
You obviously have not experienced torque steer, which in some cars (older Saab Aeros) could pull you in directions you did not intend to go. If you have a lot of horsepower (and BMW's selling point is performance), RWD is a good choice.
It's pretty sad that I'm clicking/. links these days just to see how soon the expected over-used joke pops up. This story, battlefield robots, of course would elicit the overlords post.
If you are going to include the DC area sniper shootings in your terrorism count, you may as well include all other multiple/mass murders that take place in America. So, on which president's watch did, say, the Green River killings take place?
This article is snotty and condescending. Society seems to get along just fine relying on technologies that the average user doesn't know, or care to know, how the internals work.
"As our society becomes ever more dependent on information technology, the gulf between those who understand computers and those who don't will get wider and wider"... well, everyone isn't a mechanical engineer, yet we currently have a society heavily dependent on mechanical technology. What do you do when the car won't go? You take it to a mechanic.
If his argument were more to the effect that computer professionals, particularly software designeers/programmers, should have a better understanding of the internals and not be complacent with GUIs, I would agree. I know quite a few "programmers" who are paralyzed when put into an environment where the IDE doesn't autocomplete or otherwise give hints about how to program. But to claim that even average computer users who prefer pointy-click are numbskulls living in a Matrix illusory-world (bah! peasants! And lazy, cowardly ones at that!) is too much.
We tend to design our machines around our needs, and give them interfaces that suit how we approach the world. I don't have to "adapt" to the inner workings of rack-and-pinion steering because it doesn't really have a preference for a steering wheel, nor is using a steering wheel a case of blissful ignorance.
He also seems unaware that Blackboard started out as a small dot-com using open source software. They built "critical university systems" primarily Perl. I believe their heavy-duty apps are now written in Java. I interviewed there in their early days and the personnel seemed to fit his caricature of open software geeks, yet he seems to approve of their product.
eRooms (non-free) allows the collaborative editing of documents. Zope has wikis and webDAV, workflow, email notification, through-the-web editing, but I don't believe it is trivial to allow editing of Microsoft formats. I'm sure there are more examples.
This is not a case of whether students are mandated to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. A California man, an atheist, (although a "minister" of the "First Amendmist Church of True Science", that's California for you) sued to prevent California schools from conducting the Pledge of Allegiance because, he claims, the words "one nation under God" being said in state public schools violates the Constitution. Because it's the state establishing a particular religion, or religion vs. non-religion, and conducting a religious exercise. Again, this case is not about whether students can be compelled to recite the pledge, that matter has already been decided (they can't).
"For months, in secret, the Free Software Foundation,... has been making threats to Cisco Systems"...if my company uses Open Source, some shadowy "enforcer" group may threaten us with who-knows-what!
Uncertainty:
"The dispute... offers a rare peek into the dark side of the free software movement--a view that contrasts with the movement's usual public image of happy software proles linking arms and singing the "Internationale" while freely sharing the fruits of their code-writing labor."...what, there's a dark side to Open Source? It's not basically benevolent, it's subversive? And written by communists?
more Fear:
"Or maybe, as some suggest, the foundation wants GPL-covered code to creep into commercial products so it can use GPL to force open those products."
and Doubt:
"These disputes might scare companies away from using open source software. Joseph Alsop..., chief executive of Progress, reckons the fiasco with mySQL cost his company $10 million in lost development and marketing work."...looks like using Open Source wouldn't be a good idea after all, it might cost us big time for arbitrary reasons. Don't want a fiasco!
let's add sarcasm:
'Will Cisco and Broadcom be the first? Probably they'll decide, like everyone else, that it's cheaper to settle than to fight. Such a pity, comrade." an aside: I wonder if Forbes always pities parties in breach of contract and bemoans the resulting "enforcement actions".
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Oh man! And I didn't even KNOW the original Flubber had been remade! Fred MacMurray forever! hehe
uh, Java WebStart? If 'nobody' includes the US Government, then ok, you're right.
That's the old registration. They are moving to a new registration which requires email address, job title, job category, number of people in your company, zip code, etc. For some reason, I get the registration form for some stories and not others. And sometimes going back and then hit the link again will bypass the registration. At any rate, since it said I had to enter email and password, I thought it would require confirmation through email. So I lied on all questions, gave an obscene bogus email address figuring to hell with the WP from now on, and then it logged me in! "Welcome, [obscene name]!" it said. So, no email confirmation yet, and even though their announcement says local zips will have to put in a postal address as well, that wasn't the case for me. Still pisses me off. Why bother with a paper that goes to great lengths to make stupid puns of every headline it can?
Funny, my mechanic friend used to say Audi means "gotcha!" in German. Don't know if he still has that view (this was in the 80s/90s).
Good description, but I disagree with your assessment that "it's difficult to 'start with the easy stuff and learn the tough stuff as you go along' - Zope doesn't really lend itself to that approach."
On the contrary, with built-in authentication, roles, template engine, through-the-web editing, etc, etc, Zope makes it easy to build simple sites quickly with little digging into documentation. Heck, the outdated built-in tutorial is good enough for that, and the Zope Book (free online) is very good at getting you headed down the road to more complex web applications. Plone has done a great job of taking the framework that is the CMF and polishing it into a more 'approachable to mere mortals' product. That said, I'm one of those who don't believe Plone is the answer for all Zope application problems. Also, if you've never done web development using PHP, ASP, JSP or the like, then you'll have more than just the Zope learning curve to climb (thus you'll hear the complaint, "where's the content on the screen actually coming from?").
From what I've seen as a long time Zope user/developer who has management 'buy-in' and other developers now using Zope, the Perl hackers and people comfortable in a *nix environment take to Zope well. They know how to dig for answers. The developers raised on a diet of VisualBasic and who think Access is database development are flummoxed because they no longer have an IDE telling them what to do, and they don't grok using the source (by the way, there's also the DocFinderEverywhere product, quite helpful). I know this comes across as a flame, but it simply is what I experience at work. I don't deny that Zope suffers from confusing, often outdated, inconsistent and even contradictory documentation, but there are plenty of resources. The resource sitting at the keyboard is also critical.
When they get it where multiple Firebirds can run each in their own process, I'll be happy. (someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I saw this request on their bugzilla, with it being low priority).
Don't be surprised when the Army adds to the feature requirements: robotic dogs must have bees in their mouth and when they bark they shoot bees at you.
Please....God.....No!
I think your lecturer was displaying a bit of British language purism, Queen's English and all that (of course the Queen's English... ba da boom!). Spot his spelling of 'realised', not 'realized'. Make the appropriate nationalistic slurs, not all boors are American. Have a good day.
That's funny, I thought the erudite poster was speaking of British practice, because I (American) have never heard such a rule and I do hear Americans say things like "one thousand five hundred and one". Perhaps the poster is indeed American, but I think it's telling that you made that assumption.
>>Appolo ? What a big money-wasting show-off.
And what a know-it-all about what it takes to accomplish space missions! Start everything from scratch again? Rubbish.
At the Conference on 20th & 21st Century Space Flight (Dec 18), this point was raised: Prior to Apollo, when JFK announced the goal to go to the Moon, America did not have a significant aerospace industry, with the contractor base, manufacturing capabilities, processes, and the entire infrastructure that we have now. That was all built during the Apollo missions. So even if the lunar landing was a Cold War "show-off", it paved the way for the space capabilities that we now take for granted. Just because we aren't now living on the Moon doesn't mean it was a waste (but I am disappointed we don't have a Mars base at this point -- I was 5 at Apollo 11 and thought we'd be further along in space than we are now).
>>Microsoft would fix this vulnerability in the actual IE code
But they haven't, despite knowing about it (afaik).
Except that it is Sun who has mischaracterized their product! When JDS was announced and I read about it, I wondered what the heck this has to do with Java other than the branding value of the word 'Java'. I remember previous attempts at a true Java (that is, written in Java) OS, now here they come with a Gnome-derived Desktop Environment and they say it's Java. No wonder a person is quoted in the article, "If Sun had the interests of the customer in mind, then the Sun desktop would be written in C...[instead of Java]". Smack that guy with a clue and point them to Gnome source, but Sun isn't helping things a bit.
I currently don't do much Java development, but I can now see why some people are leery of putting too many of their eggs in the Java basket. If Sun can decide "this is Java, this here is not Java" based on marketing, and not technology, how can a developer feel secure about their time investment?
uh.... watch the beginning of your rented or purchased copy of a movie, and I believe it will contain an FBI warning about the illegal nature of making unauthorized copies. That would include sitting in your home with a camcorder pointed at your home theater system (if you were to later distribute that copy). Nothing new here.
Except for the mullet, that sounds like Hunter S. Thompson!
Of course, don't ask a Postgres zealot that question... They're worse than Python programmers
Hey, I'm both, you insensitive clod! (not a zealot, but still...)
You pull something along - it can only come towards you.
You obviously have not experienced torque steer, which in some cars (older Saab Aeros) could pull you in directions you did not intend to go. If you have a lot of horsepower (and BMW's selling point is performance), RWD is a good choice.
It's pretty sad that I'm clicking /. links these days just to see how soon the expected over-used joke pops up. This story, battlefield robots, of course would elicit the overlords post.
If you are going to include the DC area sniper shootings in your terrorism count, you may as well include all other multiple/mass murders that take place in America. So, on which president's watch did, say, the Green River killings take place?
This article is snotty and condescending. Society seems to get along just fine relying on technologies that the average user doesn't know, or care to know, how the internals work.
"As our society becomes ever more dependent on information technology, the gulf between those who understand computers and those who don't will get wider and wider"... well, everyone isn't a mechanical engineer, yet we currently have a society heavily dependent on mechanical technology. What do you do when the car won't go? You take it to a mechanic.
If his argument were more to the effect that computer professionals, particularly software designeers/programmers, should have a better understanding of the internals and not be complacent with GUIs, I would agree. I know quite a few "programmers" who are paralyzed when put into an environment where the IDE doesn't autocomplete or otherwise give hints about how to program. But to claim that even average computer users who prefer pointy-click are numbskulls living in a Matrix illusory-world (bah! peasants! And lazy, cowardly ones at that!) is too much.
We tend to design our machines around our needs, and give them interfaces that suit how we approach the world. I don't have to "adapt" to the inner workings of rack-and-pinion steering because it doesn't really have a preference for a steering wheel, nor is using a steering wheel a case of blissful ignorance.
He also seems unaware that Blackboard started out as a small dot-com using open source software. They built "critical university systems" primarily Perl. I believe their heavy-duty apps are now written in Java. I interviewed there in their early days and the personnel seemed to fit his caricature of open software geeks, yet he seems to approve of their product.
eRooms (non-free) allows the collaborative editing of documents. Zope has wikis and webDAV, workflow, email notification, through-the-web editing, but I don't believe it is trivial to allow editing of Microsoft formats. I'm sure there are more examples.
I was thinking the styling was reminiscent of the Ferrari 250 LM. It's not so bad, but yes for the money one could do a lot better.
This is not a case of whether students are mandated to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. A California man, an atheist, (although a "minister" of the "First Amendmist Church of True Science", that's California for you) sued to prevent California schools from conducting the Pledge of Allegiance because, he claims, the words "one nation under God" being said in state public schools violates the Constitution. Because it's the state establishing a particular religion, or religion vs. non-religion, and conducting a religious exercise. Again, this case is not about whether students can be compelled to recite the pledge, that matter has already been decided (they can't).
Our weapons are Fear:
... has been making threats to Cisco Systems" ...if my company uses Open Source, some shadowy "enforcer" group may threaten us with who-knows-what!
...what, there's a dark side to Open Source? It's not basically benevolent, it's subversive? And written by communists?
...looks like using Open Source wouldn't be a good idea after all, it might cost us big time for arbitrary reasons. Don't want a fiasco!
"For months, in secret, the Free Software Foundation,
Uncertainty:
"The dispute... offers a rare peek into the dark side of the free software movement--a view that contrasts with the movement's usual public image of happy software proles linking arms and singing the "Internationale" while freely sharing the fruits of their code-writing labor."
more Fear:
"Or maybe, as some suggest, the foundation wants GPL-covered code to creep into commercial products so it can use GPL to force open those products."
and Doubt:
"These disputes might scare companies away from using open source software. Joseph Alsop..., chief executive of Progress, reckons the fiasco with mySQL cost his company $10 million in lost development and marketing work."
let's add sarcasm:
'Will Cisco and Broadcom be the first? Probably they'll decide, like everyone else, that it's cheaper to settle than to fight. Such a pity, comrade." an aside: I wonder if Forbes always pities parties in breach of contract and bemoans the resulting "enforcement actions".