The CA just signs your cert. Only you hold the private key.
That's good, if I trust, that I obtained the matching public key via a reliable source — the key needs to be signed. Certificate Authorities are in charge of signing these keys — this way a browser needs only to know a handful of CAs and be able to use SSL with countless thousands of the CAs' customers.
If a CA issues a certificate for "Example, Inc." and, they can issue another one (with the same company name and domain), and give it to FBI. FBI can then pretend to be example.co.bz to my browser, and I will not know.
If this is still unclear, please, learn, how SSL in particular and private/public cryptography in general work.
You don't buy certificates from these agencies. You buy them from CAs.
We are discussing a (hypothetical) government agency in charge of issuing certificates (a CA). My point was, such an agency will be more cooperative with FBI, than a non-governmental entity.
You misunderstand my proposal. The FBI and CIA abused special investigatory powers. On the other hand, these bodies I'm proposing only need the power any private citizen would have.
If they are part of the government, they will be even more likely to cooperate with a warrant-less "search". Here is an example:
A foreign company (example.co.bz) sets up a web-site and buys a certificate from this agency you are suggesting.
You wish to buy something from them: a hotel room, a flight to Lahore — anything that does not arrive to your home in the US anyway, where the FBI agents busy with your dirty laundry can look at it anyway.
Trusting their certificate, you are confident, nobody is going to know, what you are buying.
Because FBI was able to secure a certificate from the US-government agency, you transaction is open to them: they intercept your traffic, pretend to be example.co.bz to you, decrypt your data, read it, and pass it on to the real example.co.bz.
I think, this is a scenario, the GP had in mind. And even if the company you deal with buys a certificate from theirgovernment's agency, the US law enforcement may find it easier to get their cooperation than that of an American company.
The linked page doesn't say anything about 'steal/stolen'...
All the better — Slashdot's mainstream is finally realizing, that, indeed, copying may be equivalent to stealing, even if no tangible property changes hands.
photos need no longer stand as a definitive record of what was, but instead, of what they wish it was
A quick snapshot today may be more "honest", than an elaborate picture, for which people posed in the earlier era. Yeah, right — the kids were this behaved, or he wore a tie more, or her hair was so well-done.
It would've been harder to edit after the picture is taken, I'll grant you that, but not impossible, as the Communists demonstrated, for example, when famous people started disappearing from the earlier-taken official photos, upon becoming "enemies of the people".
According to this article at CNN: Police arrested a man they said tracked his ex-girlfriend's whereabouts by attaching a global positioning system to her car.
There is no law against attaching a GPS to her car. He was arrested for something else, but, of course, our editors couldn't be bothered to check the submissions and the CNN's page is no more...
found this too:
There you go — have you read the link yourself? Emphasis mine:
Albert Belle tracked his ex-girlfriend with a GPS device and repeatedly threatened her, according to a police probable cause statement filed in support of stalking charges.
The 39-year-old former baseball star was arrested in Scottsdale on Thursday and charged with stalking.
Threatening and stalking is what he was arrested for, not attaching a GPS...
Your link has little detail — I would not surprised, if the guy violated a restraining order or some such... Or it may be, that California has a special law against it — with possible exceptions for police. In any case, a link to some blog-entry is not a compelling argument — leaves too much room for speculation.
a power quite properly designed to combat terrorism to snoop on the lives of ordinary people
That they aren't content with spying on just the terrorists, and leaving the ordinary folks alone, is evidence, that secret plans for "1984"-ish dictatorship are about to be hatched!!
Then you'd also agree that I can put a GPS on anyones car without permission, including the police, elected officials, or you?
Yes, you can. I would not like it, and I will get rid of it, if I find it, but it is not illegal for you to do it — and you may use the obtained information against me in a court of law.
No normal person can even hope to compete with people who live to train.
But they aren't "freaks" — Phelps, for example, is a perfectly normal 23-year old. The beach volleyball babes are quite attractive, and so on. They are normal, and the "living to train" is a choice a person can make — without also choosing to chemically alter their body.
I was born and grew up in USSR (Ukraine). I strongly doubt, any Western author can teach me much about that country. As for its contribution to the West's own development — nothing exceeds the main one: an example of what not to do.
But that doesnt mean the "other side" is not also gray: I think it is in many ways.
"Black" and pure evil. Even if my own childhood was not so bad in my perspective, my parents, I later learned, were threatened with losing their "parental rights", if they refused to snitch on their friends... The KGB-man threatening them later became a "big shot" in Russia and is, likely, collecting a huge personalized pension from Putin's Russia now.
So, currently the clinicians must be working in pairs? Because otherwise, one of them going to the bathroom will make the visit not constant?.. Or do the unfortunate patients have to modify their facilities to have two bowls?
I was young, but I remember West boycotting the 1980 Olympics in the USSR — Russia's suppression of democracy in Czechoslovakia (military), Hungary (military), and Poland (political) were still fresh, as was the USSR's decision to, once again, prohibit its citizens a move to another country.. I could not really understand things then, but I'm disgusted, that the rest of "the Western Civilization" has deteriorated over the years down to the levels of the IOC...
Oh, and the 2014 Winter Olympics will be in Sochi — only a few miles away from Georgia. Is not Putin the coolest? He sure is, and now he is hot too...
Commence the "troll" moderations, and "insightful" responses on how the US is just as bad...
Thank you very much for (implicitly) accepting my argument regarding the differences in methods.
On the other hand, if you think Russia is going to war with Georgia in order to increase it's territory by 0.001% you are very naive.
Yes, they do — they fought a far bloodier war to keep a much smaller Chechnya within Russia — out of principle. The aim is to get the entire Georgia back into the fold and thus regain a piece of the former USSR, the dissolution of which most Russians continue to sincerely regret. Although only the hot-headed Georgians have given them the justification for an full-blown (pun intended) invasion, Russia is using similar methods and rhetorics to get back other bits and pieces:
Moldova, where large piece of the country is under Russia's military control much like South Osetia, and where — like in South Osetia and Abkhazia — Russian citizenship can be had just for asking, as it bolsters Russia's claims of "the need to defend Russian citizens".
Ukraine, where Russia's propaganda constantly pits Russian-minded East against Ukrainian-speaking West, and where they tried to help poison the pro-Western presidential candidate in 2004.
Armenia and Azerbajdzhan — bitter enemies, both helped by Russia in order to tie them ever closer back to "mother Russia", which appears as a patron to both.
Baltic republics — these are the only pieces, which broke away from Russia for good, insh'allah. Members of both EU and NATO they will be protected until those organizations wane for some reason. That's where Russia has already lost (for the foreseeable future), but not for lack of trying — the same crap about "protecting Russian citizens" was tried there, as all three little Republics have sizable Russian-speaking populations, who were "cruelly" forced to learn the local languages before getting citizenship.
All of these regions combined represent a small fraction of the former USSR and are dwarfed even by the present Russia's territory. You are right, that Russia don't rationally need the land — their own population is shrinking and they can't develop their own vast lands (watch those ceded to China in a few decades). But the re-establishment of the empire is an appealing concept to almost every Russian, and it the best means for any Russian government to stay in power — far more important than quality of life, for example. This may sound racist and unbelievable, but it is true...
The issue is again control of a strategic region
No. Both US and Russia already had "control of" the respected "strategic regions" — countries of "Warsaw Pact" are largely NATO members now, and Russia's town of Sochi (used to be part of Georgian kingdom, it where the next Winter Olympics are set to happen in Russia, BTW) is only 20 or so miles away from Georgia. So gaining this "control" you are talking about is of no importance to either. And if it were the secret goal of Clinton's bombing of Serbia into submission, he would not have waited to join the fray — NATO's campaing only started after giving the Europeans several years to demonstrate their impotence. It was built in 1999 for short-range forces in support of KFOR — the helicopters and other equipment stationed there can't reach Russia directly — Poland or Bolgaria are much better "launch-pads".
No. The issue is regaining a "breakaway" little country ba
If you read/. only, you'd be convinced, that the only people opposed to piracy are the big studios and their associations, who resell the works (intellectual) of the (maltreated) artists.
Occasional reports of exceptions (such as Metallica) don't count.
And now we have a word of an indie game-developer, who, it turns out, has been fighting pirates for a while already...
I guess, the only way for him to get a mention here is by trying to talk to the (almost) thieves... What does this say about our forum?
Just replace Russia with USA and the parallels are very clear.
No — and I tried to forestall this argument, that Putin has put into your head. Unlike Russia, US was not justifying its actions by giving Kosovars citizenship. That's was a difference in method. The goal is different too — unlike Russia, US did not gain — nor planned to gain — any territory. If you are still seeing parallels, you need to remove those glasses, that Russian propaganda gave to you — the "parallels" must be painted on their insides.
the atrocities of the Serbs in crushing that rebellion were much exaggerated by the western media
"The actions of the Georgian powers in South Ossetia are, of course, a crime -- first of all against their own people," Putin said. "The territorial integrity of Georgia has suffered a fatal blow."
Right there you go — an attempt to gain territory of a fellow UN member via military force...
They are trying to paint South Osetia as some sort of Kosovo, where the evil Georgians deserve to be punished the same way Serbians did. Except, unlike then, there is no genocide or "ethnic cleansing" (Saakashvili is much smart than that), and no country was giving Kosovars their citizenship left and right so as to be able to pretend, they are defending their own citizens. Lots and lots of South Osetian have gotten Russian citizenship in recent years — just for asking. Imagine, for just a second, America trying to annex Iraq this way — we would not even force Puerto Rico in!
If US is not careful, next year Russia will come up with a "good" claim to send tanks to Brighton Beach — plenty of Russian citizens there!..
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Are you talking about these thieves? Good riddance, I say...
That's good, if I trust, that I obtained the matching public key via a reliable source — the key needs to be signed. Certificate Authorities are in charge of signing these keys — this way a browser needs only to know a handful of CAs and be able to use SSL with countless thousands of the CAs' customers.
If a CA issues a certificate for "Example, Inc." and, they can issue another one (with the same company name and domain), and give it to FBI. FBI can then pretend to be example.co.bz to my browser, and I will not know.
If this is still unclear, please, learn, how SSL in particular and private/public cryptography in general work.
We are discussing a (hypothetical) government agency in charge of issuing certificates (a CA). My point was, such an agency will be more cooperative with FBI, than a non-governmental entity.
If they are part of the government, they will be even more likely to cooperate with a warrant-less "search". Here is an example:
I think, this is a scenario, the GP had in mind. And even if the company you deal with buys a certificate from their government's agency, the US law enforcement may find it easier to get their cooperation than that of an American company.
I'd say, IPv6 is being accepted even slower, than Windows Vista. Khmm...
Come, come. I dislike the "young social worker" too, but thug she ain't. Just a small thief, unlucky enough to get caught.
All the better — Slashdot's mainstream is finally realizing, that, indeed, copying may be equivalent to stealing, even if no tangible property changes hands.
A quick snapshot today may be more "honest", than an elaborate picture, for which people posed in the earlier era. Yeah, right — the kids were this behaved, or he wore a tie more, or her hair was so well-done.
It would've been harder to edit after the picture is taken, I'll grant you that, but not impossible, as the Communists demonstrated, for example, when famous people started disappearing from the earlier-taken official photos, upon becoming "enemies of the people".
Were their shamans just as convincing arguing for less water use and building smaller huts to prevent the climate-changes?
Perfect... Let the government worry about courts, police, and military. The rest we'll do ourselves, thanks.
Am I the only one bothered by an 8 months old being close enough to a TV for long enough to be noticeably affected by it?
That's a growing consumer, alright...
There is no law against attaching a GPS to her car. He was arrested for something else, but, of course, our editors couldn't be bothered to check the submissions and the CNN's page is no more...
There you go — have you read the link yourself? Emphasis mine:
Threatening and stalking is what he was arrested for, not attaching a GPS...
Your link has little detail — I would not surprised, if the guy violated a restraining order or some such... Or it may be, that California has a special law against it — with possible exceptions for police. In any case, a link to some blog-entry is not a compelling argument — leaves too much room for speculation.
That they aren't content with spying on just the terrorists, and leaving the ordinary folks alone, is evidence, that secret plans for "1984"-ish dictatorship are about to be hatched!!
Yes, you can. I would not like it, and I will get rid of it, if I find it, but it is not illegal for you to do it — and you may use the obtained information against me in a court of law.
Is that your excuse for being fat?..
But they aren't "freaks" — Phelps, for example, is a perfectly normal 23-year old. The beach volleyball babes are quite attractive, and so on. They are normal, and the "living to train" is a choice a person can make — without also choosing to chemically alter their body.
I was born and grew up in USSR (Ukraine). I strongly doubt, any Western author can teach me much about that country. As for its contribution to the West's own development — nothing exceeds the main one: an example of what not to do .
"Black" and pure evil. Even if my own childhood was not so bad in my perspective, my parents, I later learned, were threatened with losing their "parental rights", if they refused to snitch on their friends... The KGB-man threatening them later became a "big shot" in Russia and is, likely, collecting a huge personalized pension from Putin's Russia now.
So, currently the clinicians must be working in pairs? Because otherwise, one of them going to the bathroom will make the visit not constant?.. Or do the unfortunate patients have to modify their facilities to have two bowls?
Not sure about "some people", but I see USSR and other Communist regimes regimes as black, and the rest as gray (darker or lighter).
US is usually right (and righteous), Commies are always wrong.
For example, there is no misdeed committed by the US within the last 150 years, that USSR or China have not trumped (by far!) within the last 60.
Not because individual people are better, rather simply because the governmental and societal structures are superior...
I was young, but I remember West boycotting the 1980 Olympics in the USSR — Russia's suppression of democracy in Czechoslovakia (military), Hungary (military), and Poland (political) were still fresh, as was the USSR's decision to, once again, prohibit its citizens a move to another country.. I could not really understand things then, but I'm disgusted, that the rest of "the Western Civilization" has deteriorated over the years down to the levels of the IOC...
Oh, and the 2014 Winter Olympics will be in Sochi — only a few miles away from Georgia. Is not Putin the coolest? He sure is, and now he is hot too...
Commence the "troll" moderations, and "insightful" responses on how the US is just as bad...
Thank you very much for (implicitly) accepting my argument regarding the differences in methods.
Yes, they do — they fought a far bloodier war to keep a much smaller Chechnya within Russia — out of principle. The aim is to get the entire Georgia back into the fold and thus regain a piece of the former USSR, the dissolution of which most Russians continue to sincerely regret. Although only the hot-headed Georgians have given them the justification for an full-blown (pun intended) invasion, Russia is using similar methods and rhetorics to get back other bits and pieces:
All of these regions combined represent a small fraction of the former USSR and are dwarfed even by the present Russia's territory. You are right, that Russia don't rationally need the land — their own population is shrinking and they can't develop their own vast lands (watch those ceded to China in a few decades). But the re-establishment of the empire is an appealing concept to almost every Russian, and it the best means for any Russian government to stay in power — far more important than quality of life, for example. This may sound racist and unbelievable, but it is true...
No. Both US and Russia already had "control of" the respected "strategic regions" — countries of "Warsaw Pact" are largely NATO members now, and Russia's town of Sochi (used to be part of Georgian kingdom, it where the next Winter Olympics are set to happen in Russia, BTW) is only 20 or so miles away from Georgia. So gaining this "control" you are talking about is of no importance to either. And if it were the secret goal of Clinton's bombing of Serbia into submission, he would not have waited to join the fray — NATO's campaing only started after giving the Europeans several years to demonstrate their impotence. It was built in 1999 for short-range forces in support of KFOR — the helicopters and other equipment stationed there can't reach Russia directly — Poland or Bolgaria are much better "launch-pads".
No. The issue is regaining a "breakaway" little country ba
If you read /. only, you'd be convinced, that the only people opposed to piracy are the big studios and their associations, who resell the works (intellectual) of the (maltreated) artists.
Occasional reports of exceptions (such as Metallica) don't count.
And now we have a word of an indie game-developer, who, it turns out, has been fighting pirates for a while already...
I guess, the only way for him to get a mention here is by trying to talk to the (almost) thieves... What does this say about our forum?
No — and I tried to forestall this argument, that Putin has put into your head. Unlike Russia, US was not justifying its actions by giving Kosovars citizenship. That's was a difference in method. The goal is different too — unlike Russia, US did not gain — nor planned to gain — any territory. If you are still seeing parallels, you need to remove those glasses, that Russian propaganda gave to you — the "parallels" must be painted on their insides.
Serbian forces had a truly nasty record by then...
According to whom? To the Russians? Ha-ha!.. Suuu-re... That's an unbiased source.
No, they don't — not any more:
Right there you go — an attempt to gain territory of a fellow UN member via military force...
Time to root for the little country trying to get its own territory back under its own control.
Puting's claims of "genocide" are pathetic and would only work on the already brainwashed Russians themselves. Seeing these assholes trumpet their government's lies is just as scary as seeing Chinese bloggers' anti-Tibet postings.
They are trying to paint South Osetia as some sort of Kosovo, where the evil Georgians deserve to be punished the same way Serbians did. Except, unlike then, there is no genocide or "ethnic cleansing" (Saakashvili is much smart than that), and no country was giving Kosovars their citizenship left and right so as to be able to pretend, they are defending their own citizens. Lots and lots of South Osetian have gotten Russian citizenship in recent years — just for asking. Imagine, for just a second, America trying to annex Iraq this way — we would not even force Puerto Rico in!
If US is not careful, next year Russia will come up with a "good" claim to send tanks to Brighton Beach — plenty of Russian citizens there!..