It is thanks to America, that millions of South Koreans enjoy the prosperity and the human rights of Capitalism. That the millions of North Koreans and Vietnamese do not have these, is despite rather than because of anything we've done.
You missed the disaster in South America.
No, I didn't. The "horrible dictator" of Chile (US-sponsored) left his country the number one economy in the South America. While Russian-sponsored Chavez and Catro have ruined theirs.
You have no clue about the horrible things your country did.
Libya, Syria, Honduras and Yemen are just the latest examples
Please, explain, how the US is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed in these countries. You'll need to show, how none of the carnage would've happened, were it not for the US.
There is even good evidence of Senator Edward Kennedy offering future cooperation in exchange for Soviet help in getting himself elected... Certainly more evidence of (attempted) collusion, than there ever was against Trump...
But none of it was important, until Trump won the elections — and it became crucially important for the swamp to, if not impeach, keep him occupied and thus less dangerous to the crocodiles.
I think that nicely shows that you have no idea what paleontologists do or how they do it.
Fortunately, neither TFA nor this thread are about Paleontology, so that's irrelevant.
Your argument regarding Economists is an "Appeal to Authority" fallacy
Not at all
Yes, it is. You claimed, Economics is a science, because Nobel Prize Committee considers it to be. You offered no other argument — because you appealed to the authority of the committee. It is the classic definition of this particular fallacy.
The climate scientists make predictions routinely and are proven to be accurate
This was your opportunity to cite such predictions. Curiously, you missed it... I wonder, why.
You also have to understand that it takes years for most predictions of climate models to be proven.
Oh, I understand it very well. And I also remember, how, back those years ago, the predictions were of Global Warming and of snow becoming a thing of the past. For example, in 2000 the claim was:
Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is"
Now that we have cold winters with lots of snow, has the good Doctor been renounced by his colleagues and fans — like yourself — for a fool? No, Dr Viner still works for the government...
Has any one of the profession come out to admit, they've been wrong before — and enumerated the steps taken to avoid the same follies in the future? The Climate research spends billions of dollars every year — is it too much to expect some accountability?
Your failure to examine it does not make it less valid.
I examined every bit of evidence you presented in this discussion...
Even I know that Venezuela and the USSR are very illiberal.
As is Bernie Sanders and every other American claiming to be a "Liberal" while in reality seeing no problems with using the government's power to compel fellow citizens into doing, what they wouldn't have done voluntarily.
The term has been perverted so much, the actual adherents of Liberty have to call themselves "Libertarians".
Paleontology could make a statement to the effect of: "We will find a fossil with such and such features".
Your argument regarding Economists is an "Appeal to Authority" fallacy and is being discarded as such. Economists are so notorious for making conflicting — even directly opposite — predictions, one US President has even asked, in exasperation, for a one-handed Economist.
Like that distinguished bunch, Climate Scientists too can explain anything, but are able to predict nothing.
Being able to explain, what already happened does not make you a scientist.
To qualify, you have to be able to reliably predict, what will happen... And there, despite several decades of trying, the Climate Scientists have been no more successful than the Economists.
The recent painting of the Brooklyn Bridge costed well more than the original building of the structure did in 1883 (inflation-adjusted, of course).
You expect us, the taxpayers, to willingly give even more money to these people?
MTA should have replaced the sleepy fleshware, whose reactions and ability to communicate with each other are horrible even when they are awake, with computers — driving a train is much simpler for a computer, than driving a car, for example. They were trying to do it in 2005, and still haven't.
Just as with the public schools, it is not about the money...
That is certainly one view on the subject. But it is not the only view. There is a theory of the social contract, in that we agree to submit to an authority in exchange for protection of our remaining rights. Where each society chooses to draw the line is not universal.
Although there are plenty of authoritarians world-wide, and they do frequently gain the upper hand, there is no contradiction between my "view on the subject" and the "theory of the social contract".
The very document announcing the birth of this nation states, that humans have inalienable rights (Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness), and that governments are instituted to protect these rights. That is the contract we have here in the US. Any attempts to limit the Individual for some "greater good" of the Collective violates that contract, and should be called out as such.
Where a European draws the line versus where an American is extremely slight in practice, but gets blown out of proportion.
Just as stalactites and stalagmites, which meet in the middle creating the illusion of being very similar "in practice", the Collectivist vs. Individualist approaches are vastly different in origin and philosophical foundations.
And I argue, that it is exactly that Collectivism, which holds Europe behind the US and has caused the greatest evils in the 20th century — Communism and Fascism (especially National Socialism). Because, once you begin valuing the Glorious Collective over the Selfish Individual, all kinds of coercion become ethically justified — including mass murder.
The individual choice is an inalienable right of the Individual. It is up to neither you, nor your nebulous "we", how I choose to pursue my happiness — as long as my pursuit does not unduly limit the same of any other.
when it causes a problem like congested roads.
Well, it does not — TFA's title is lying, which is the very subject of this thread.
Maximizing indivudal choice seems like a good idealogy to follow.
Yes. And the greatest country on Earth is built upon just that ideology.
So I would recommend we carefully weigh and consider everything that we do
Thank you very much for your valuable recommendation, Mr. OrangeTide, we shall certainly take it under advisement.
rather than rigidly following a dogmatic practice as mentioned above.
I shall continue to rigidly defend the dogma of Individual freedom, even it the Totalitarian likes of you claim, it is somehow injurious to the Glorious Collective. Sorry, but I am not sorry.
The European Union has warned that it will regulate cryptocurrencies if the risks exposed by the meteoric rise of bitcoin and its ilk are not addressed
Oh, the benevolent and omniscient regulators, who know all about the matter (and would've made lots of money had they bothered with such base things), will condescend to keeping their subjects from injuring themselves.
There is a difference between Compute Science and computer skills.
Back in the day, I was a TA helping with the CS101 (or was it CS111?) class at a major school. That University just made a CS-course mandatory for all majors — 25 years prior to TFA.
Although we did deal with basic computer literacy (which today's kids should be picking up in middle school), the course also included some scientific aspects, like loops vs. recursions.
Is there anybody with an IQ above room temperature still working in the US executive branch?
Neither of these two people have worked for the US Executive branch.
But, according to TFA, Gates would've passed the "Can you convert PDF to MS Word" test, which you consider so vitally important to determining one's intelligence.
Just recall the above (incomplete) list next time someone suggests, yet another industry/market would be better served by the caring and omniscient government employees, than by the greedy KKKorporations.
Act is unambiguous in offering no protection from retaliation such as firing or demotion to employees who report claims of securities law violations only in-house
Why did the Supreme Court have to bother with this, instead of the matter ending at the very bottom of the judicial "food chain"?
Maybe, the law is deficient in this regard — not surprising, considering the majority of lawmakers in 2010 — but the courts don't write laws, they only interpret, what Congress has written.
progressive society ends up at war with the Idirans, a deeply religious, warlike race intent on dominating the entire galaxy
"Progressive"? Uh-oh... Something tells me, the adaptation will lose the book's subtlety and end up being a story of enlightened Democrats fighting the evil RethugliKKKan war-mongers. Despite "Culture" being, if anything, a Libertarian society.
Bezos, though, may have a better motive than petty politics — the entire "Culture" series describes, how AI, despite displacing (a.k.a. "destroying jobs" of) 99.9% of human workers, has significantly improved lives for everyone (even if, as Idirans point out, turning people into something more of a pet). It may help blunt the hyped and pumped backlash against AI-development, an unfortunate turn of events of non-trivial significance to Amazon.
I've used this argument before, but not enough for it bears repeating.
Suppose for a second, that a wonderful pill is invented, that eliminates all diseases in humans. It is fairly simple to produce, and needs to be taken once in a person's life.
Would we seriously consider the "displacement" this would cause all of the doctors, nurses, other hospital staff? Would anyone dare imply, that the pill should not be allowed into the market — or sabotaged with various regulations — because of these concerns?
I do have quite a bit to do with FreeBSD — and had for decades. This direction, the very fact that the project has the busybodies with any authority to police such things, is disgusting.
WTF is "neurodiversity" — the word is not even known to my spellchecker... The "Code of Conduct Committee"?
Too bad, Linux sucks... Maybe, I ought to give NetBSD a closer look. If they'll have me...
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It is thanks to America, that millions of South Koreans enjoy the prosperity and the human rights of Capitalism. That the millions of North Koreans and Vietnamese do not have these, is despite rather than because of anything we've done.
No, I didn't. The "horrible dictator" of Chile (US-sponsored) left his country the number one economy in the South America. While Russian-sponsored Chavez and Catro have ruined theirs.
Maybe, that's because we didn't...
Sure. It is perfectly natural for a happy, prosperous country to advocate its own way of life.
"Open" is quite the opposite of "covert", is not it? And covert meddling is the subject of this thread.
Please, explain, how the US is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed in these countries. You'll need to show, how none of the carnage would've happened, were it not for the US.
We probably have.
Nope, we have not caused any of this. Notably, you aren't even attempting to cite examples.
My point in this thread was not to accuse Russia, but to expose the hypocrisy of anti-Trumpers.
USSR/Russia have been meddling with foreign politics for decades. The entire "peace" movement was financed by the evil empire, financing everything "anti-war" in the West (while themselves invading neighbors like Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan).
Similarly, they also funded "Black liberation".
There is even good evidence of Senator Edward Kennedy offering future cooperation in exchange for Soviet help in getting himself elected... Certainly more evidence of (attempted) collusion, than there ever was against Trump...
But none of it was important, until Trump won the elections — and it became crucially important for the swamp to, if not impeach, keep him occupied and thus less dangerous to the crocodiles.
Fortunately, neither TFA nor this thread are about Paleontology, so that's irrelevant.
Yes, it is. You claimed, Economics is a science, because Nobel Prize Committee considers it to be. You offered no other argument — because you appealed to the authority of the committee. It is the classic definition of this particular fallacy.
This was your opportunity to cite such predictions. Curiously, you missed it... I wonder, why.
Oh, I understand it very well. And I also remember, how, back those years ago, the predictions were of Global Warming and of snow becoming a thing of the past. For example, in 2000 the claim was:
Now that we have cold winters with lots of snow, has the good Doctor been renounced by his colleagues and fans — like yourself — for a fool? No, Dr Viner still works for the government...
Has any one of the profession come out to admit, they've been wrong before — and enumerated the steps taken to avoid the same follies in the future? The Climate research spends billions of dollars every year — is it too much to expect some accountability?
I examined every bit of evidence you presented in this discussion...
As is Bernie Sanders and every other American claiming to be a "Liberal" while in reality seeing no problems with using the government's power to compel fellow citizens into doing, what they wouldn't have done voluntarily.
The term has been perverted so much, the actual adherents of Liberty have to call themselves "Libertarians".
Paleontology could make a statement to the effect of: "We will find a fossil with such and such features".
Your argument regarding Economists is an "Appeal to Authority" fallacy and is being discarded as such. Economists are so notorious for making conflicting — even directly opposite — predictions, one US President has even asked, in exasperation, for a one-handed Economist.
Like that distinguished bunch, Climate Scientists too can explain anything, but are able to predict nothing.
Being able to explain, what already happened does not make you a scientist.
To qualify, you have to be able to reliably predict, what will happen... And there, despite several decades of trying, the Climate Scientists have been no more successful than the Economists.
Certainly not. We are talking about NYC — the singular city in the most corrupt State in the nation.
The recent painting of the Brooklyn Bridge costed well more than the original building of the structure did in 1883 (inflation-adjusted, of course).
You expect us, the taxpayers, to willingly give even more money to these people?
MTA should have replaced the sleepy fleshware, whose reactions and ability to communicate with each other are horrible even when they are awake, with computers — driving a train is much simpler for a computer, than driving a car, for example. They were trying to do it in 2005, and still haven't.
Just as with the public schools, it is not about the money...
Although there are plenty of authoritarians world-wide, and they do frequently gain the upper hand, there is no contradiction between my "view on the subject" and the "theory of the social contract".
The very document announcing the birth of this nation states, that humans have inalienable rights (Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness), and that governments are instituted to protect these rights. That is the contract we have here in the US. Any attempts to limit the Individual for some "greater good" of the Collective violates that contract, and should be called out as such.
Just as stalactites and stalagmites, which meet in the middle creating the illusion of being very similar "in practice", the Collectivist vs. Individualist approaches are vastly different in origin and philosophical foundations.
And I argue, that it is exactly that Collectivism, which holds Europe behind the US and has caused the greatest evils in the 20th century — Communism and Fascism (especially National Socialism). Because, once you begin valuing the Glorious Collective over the Selfish Individual, all kinds of coercion become ethically justified — including mass murder.
Just who are these "we" you are talking about?
The individual choice is an inalienable right of the Individual. It is up to neither you, nor your nebulous "we", how I choose to pursue my happiness — as long as my pursuit does not unduly limit the same of any other.
Well, it does not — TFA's title is lying, which is the very subject of this thread.
Yes, I do.
Ah, personal insults. How convincing.
"With no rules" is a strawman of your own creation. You can practice knocking it down in your own backyard.
Yes. And the greatest country on Earth is built upon just that ideology.
Thank you very much for your valuable recommendation, Mr. OrangeTide, we shall certainly take it under advisement.
I shall continue to rigidly defend the dogma of Individual freedom, even it the Totalitarian likes of you claim, it is somehow injurious to the Glorious Collective. Sorry, but I am not sorry.
The title implies, actual congestion — the number of traffic jams and the average amount of time we spent waiting them — has gone up.
But the actual study finds only that people use Uber to get places because it is more convenient than the alternatives:
In other words, Uber/Lyft are guilty of offering a good and convenient service.
Oh, the benevolent and omniscient regulators, who know all about the matter (and would've made lots of money had they bothered with such base things), will condescend to keeping their subjects from injuring themselves.
For the subjects' own good, of course...
I do not have a gun. But, maybe, I ought to join the NRA now...
I would've already, but I don't want yet another vast organization to know my address and bombard me with various marketing material.
Back in the day, I was a TA helping with the CS101 (or was it CS111?) class at a major school. That University just made a CS-course mandatory for all majors — 25 years prior to TFA.
Although we did deal with basic computer literacy (which today's kids should be picking up in middle school), the course also included some scientific aspects, like loops vs. recursions.
Neither of these two people have worked for the US Executive branch.
But, according to TFA, Gates would've passed the "Can you convert PDF to MS Word" test, which you consider so vitally important to determining one's intelligence.
And why did it reach Slashdot's front-page?
Is not government awesome? Consider:
Just recall the above (incomplete) list next time someone suggests, yet another industry/market would be better served by the caring and omniscient government employees, than by the greedy KKKorporations.
Why did the Supreme Court have to bother with this, instead of the matter ending at the very bottom of the judicial "food chain"?
Maybe, the law is deficient in this regard — not surprising, considering the majority of lawmakers in 2010 — but the courts don't write laws, they only interpret, what Congress has written.
Meh...
"Progressive"? Uh-oh... Something tells me, the adaptation will lose the book's subtlety and end up being a story of enlightened Democrats fighting the evil RethugliKKKan war-mongers. Despite "Culture" being, if anything, a Libertarian society.
Bezos, though, may have a better motive than petty politics — the entire "Culture" series describes, how AI, despite displacing (a.k.a. "destroying jobs" of) 99.9% of human workers, has significantly improved lives for everyone (even if, as Idirans point out, turning people into something more of a pet). It may help blunt the hyped and pumped backlash against AI-development, an unfortunate turn of events of non-trivial significance to Amazon.
I've used this argument before, but not enough for it bears repeating.
Suppose for a second, that a wonderful pill is invented, that eliminates all diseases in humans. It is fairly simple to produce, and needs to be taken once in a person's life.
Would we seriously consider the "displacement" this would cause all of the doctors, nurses, other hospital staff? Would anyone dare imply, that the pill should not be allowed into the market — or sabotaged with various regulations — because of these concerns?
I do have quite a bit to do with FreeBSD — and had for decades. This direction, the very fact that the project has the busybodies with any authority to police such things, is disgusting.
WTF is "neurodiversity" — the word is not even known to my spellchecker... The "Code of Conduct Committee"?
Too bad, Linux sucks... Maybe, I ought to give NetBSD a closer look. If they'll have me...