Spending the extra money now will keep others from trying it and save money in the long term.
A warning to the others is ample reason for IBM to grind them into the dust.
If it were just about this case IBM would have just bought them outright since odds are that would have been much cheaper than this drawn out legal battle.
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Because the moment they offer that it makes the smaller shops an easy pawn for SCO. They could just sue one of the smaller shops and force IBM to either divert resources or risk them getting a less competant legal staff and having to pay a settlement.
As for your tin foil hat theory INAL but if IBM were to do what you say and secretly settle with SCO then anyone forced to fork out a licence fee would have to take a look at the company that put the code there to retreive their damages. HP would probably get the damages etc right back from IBM in court.
IMO their behavior amounts to a bit of short term pain for the long term gain of reminding people why no one in their right mind sues IBM.
And hay.. if this finally gets the GPL court tested the rest of us may come out winners as well as it will remove a rather popular target to throw FUD at.
Be thankful they even ship CDs.. some of the new HP PCs only come with a restore partition. If you happen to nuke that then your stuck waiting for them to ship you the restore cds.
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That is something I've never understood considering that most of the difference between that and a newer version is the bug fixes.
I prefer to just upgrade my kernels by hand rather than wait for the distro to do it for me.
Since the end of the cold war the word "communist" doesn't hold the fear and loathing it used to.
The new trick is to refer to one's political enemies as "spporting terrorists" Unfortunatly that's much more effective and the sad thing is we see that accusation used to justify all sorts of mistreatment that used to be reserved for communists.
We see this in grand form as SCO has pointed out the GPL doesn't exempt the release of source code requirement to embargoed countries. (never mind that it's irrelevent since you can't relase the binaries there in the first place)
Unfortunatly for SCO it is already in a courtroom IBM has introduced a motion to compell and if they succeed it will force SCO to put it's evidence on the table.
If IBM manages to get the first case dismissed it will put a damper on any other plans as suddenly the general public will have a shining example of why SCO is full of crap.
" hell at that price why doesn't IBM, HP, or someone else buy SCO and give away there proprietary code just to get rid of this headache what is bad for linux is bad for IBM, HP, and Dell who have business plans based on linux. Hell at $200,000,000 1 million linux users and open source people could fork over $200 and make SCO disappear, it is that simple. If we had known about this months ago I know individual people with enough captial to have bought SCO."
See.. that's what Darl was banking on.. judging by their complete lack of legal preparedness this was never supposed to get this far..
Some battles should be faught on principal.. even if it hurts a bit on the short term.
If were lucky late next month.. SCO has oral arguements on why IBM's motion to compell shouldn't be granted on dec 9.. so they have from then till whenever the deadline is to start showing actual evidence instead of dancing around or risk pissing the judge off.
You may want to start reading Groklaw if your really worried about this.. I'm getting less worried the more I read.. IBM is being VERY carefull and methodical about all of this while SCO is too busy undermining their own case by making a lot of public noise.
IBM has always been very dangeorous to mess with and while SCO may gain some stock value in the short term anyone who bets on them surviving in the long term is going to lose.
Actually the investors are going to be the big losers in this one. This is a very short term strategy that's going to leave a gaping hole where Caldera/TSG used to be.
If IBM had bought them out it would be different but as it stands the only people gaining from this are the people selling their stock right now.
Well no.. he is correct. The big guys ARE all out to get him.
What he failed to mention is that it's his actions that united them in one angry mass in the first place. You can't just poke a lot of large companies in the eye without them getting mad and wanting to do something about it.
Telemarketers buy the list and the price is based on how clean the list is.. if it's clean and every other entry gets a sale then the price goes up.
Now if you bring it down to 1 out of 1000 the price drops considerably but the telemarketer can still make money if hes using mass dialing software..
That is unless all of the numbers actually point somewhere. In that case it's a huge waste of sales time and the list becomes a money loser.
Constant sources of money losing lists tend to not be able to sell their lists anymore. It usually takes them a few days to figgure out the list sucks though.
That will just flood the poor shmuck whoes address they stole. Replies will not work because the reply address is fake.. automated anything is downright dangerous because the spammers will craft the message to make your countermeasures attack someone else.
Last time they foraged my email adress I got a flood of bounces if they had all taken your approach it would haveMY email server useless and done nothing at all to the spammer..
Spammers do not use their own resources until they are sure your interested.. and even then they usually just sell the list they collected to someone else.
The idea being presented is to devalue the resulting list instead of wasting our time attacking their stolen resources.
I doubt the premiums would return to hardware.. all it will do is make the total package cheaper by removing a componant IBM makes no money whatsoever on.
That may not be as stupid as it sounds.. for the longest time IE had a function were a site could just add itself or another site to your bookmarks.
A noted example of this was 2kservices a coupple of years ago.. on a visit to one of it's top100 sites it would add itself and a coupple of casinos before adding an entry to C:\windows\hosts to redirect search.msn.com to 2ksearch's ip address.
They only stopped after MS disabled the function and Norton started poping up hostile site warnings.
" Y'know, I was almost tempted to admire your principled stand -- until I noticed that your journal is filled with bitching about being broke."
Actually to be totally honest I often wondered what would have happened had I kept that job.. then someone who still kept track of the place filled me in: the anti spammers got their main link pulled not long after I left followed by them getting booted from every co-location except rackspace.. They ended up packing up everything and moving the buisness to Moscow..
So I would still have been out of a job.. but probably sooner than I was anyways As that place closed shop before I got layed off from the job I took afterwords.
Yeah.. When I quit my first job in montreal after the place took a direction other than what was on the job description(they wanted to do porn and I didn't) They posted a job asking for my qualifications but expected to about $12 CDN an hour.
One day I'm overhearing the receptionist talking to a prospective sysadmin calling for my job "well sir.. before we process your resume.. do you have a problem with porn? how about animal porn? ohh well ok then. thanks anyways"
Glad I left? yep! That place and Ralsky deserved each other.
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Sympatico rocks.
Spending the extra money now will keep others from trying it and save money in the long term.
A warning to the others is ample reason for IBM to grind them into the dust.
If it were just about this case IBM would have just bought them outright since odds are that would have been much cheaper than this drawn out legal battle.
Because the moment they offer that it makes the smaller shops an easy pawn for SCO. They could just sue one of the smaller shops and force IBM to either divert resources or risk them getting a less competant legal staff and having to pay a settlement.
As for your tin foil hat theory INAL but if IBM were to do what you say and secretly settle with SCO then anyone forced to fork out a licence fee would have to take a look at the company that put the code there to retreive their damages. HP would probably get the damages etc right back from IBM in court.
IMO their behavior amounts to a bit of short term pain for the long term gain of reminding people why no one in their right mind sues IBM.
And hay.. if this finally gets the GPL court tested the rest of us may come out winners as well as it will remove a rather popular target to throw FUD at.
Be thankful they even ship CDs .. some of the new HP PCs only come with a restore partition. If you happen to nuke that then your stuck waiting for them to ship you the restore cds.
That is something I've never understood considering that most of the difference between that and a newer version is the bug fixes.
I prefer to just upgrade my kernels by hand rather than wait for the distro to do it for me.
easy fix for that.
/vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz.backup
/etc/lilo.conf:
cp
then add this to
image=/boot/vmlinuz.backup
label=backup
read-only
optional
Since the end of the cold war the word "communist" doesn't hold the fear and loathing it used to.
The new trick is to refer to one's political enemies as "spporting terrorists" Unfortunatly that's much more effective and the sad thing is we see that accusation used to justify all sorts of mistreatment that used to be reserved for communists.
We see this in grand form as SCO has pointed out the GPL doesn't exempt the release of source code requirement to embargoed countries. (never mind that it's irrelevent since you can't relase the binaries there in the first place)
Or the lead in a romance novel.
Unfortunatly for SCO it is already in a courtroom IBM has introduced a motion to compell and if they succeed it will force SCO to put it's evidence on the table.
If IBM manages to get the first case dismissed it will put a damper on any other plans as suddenly the general public will have a shining example of why SCO is full of crap.
" hell at that price why doesn't IBM, HP, or someone else buy SCO and give away there proprietary code just to get rid of this headache what is bad for linux is bad for IBM, HP, and Dell who have business plans based on linux. Hell at $200,000,000 1 million linux users and open source people could fork over $200 and make SCO disappear, it is that simple. If we had known about this months ago I know individual people with enough captial to have bought SCO."
.. that's what Darl was banking on.. judging by their complete lack of legal preparedness this was never supposed to get this far..
See
Some battles should be faught on principal.. even if it hurts a bit on the short term.
This is one of them.
If were lucky late next month.. SCO has oral arguements on why IBM's motion to compell shouldn't be granted on dec 9.. so they have from then till whenever the deadline is to start showing actual evidence instead of dancing around or risk pissing the judge off.
You may want to start reading Groklaw if your really worried about this.. I'm getting less worried the more I read.. IBM is being VERY carefull and methodical about all of this while SCO is too busy undermining their own case by making a lot of public noise.
IBM has always been very dangeorous to mess with and while SCO may gain some stock value in the short term anyone who bets on them surviving in the long term is going to lose.
Actually the investors are going to be the big losers in this one. This is a very short term strategy that's going to leave a gaping hole where Caldera/TSG used to be.
If IBM had bought them out it would be different but as it stands the only people gaining from this are the people selling their stock right now.
Well no.. he is correct. The big guys ARE all out to get him.
What he failed to mention is that it's his actions that united them in one angry mass in the first place. You can't just poke a lot of large companies in the eye without them getting mad and wanting to do something about it.
So hes got the cause and affect reversed.
Telemarketers buy the list and the price is based on how clean the list is.. if it's clean and every other entry gets a sale then the price goes up.
Now if you bring it down to 1 out of 1000 the price drops considerably but the telemarketer can still make money if hes using mass dialing software..
That is unless all of the numbers actually point somewhere. In that case it's a huge waste of sales time and the list becomes a money loser.
Constant sources of money losing lists tend to not be able to sell their lists anymore. It usually takes them a few days to figgure out the list sucks though.
uhh NO
That will just flood the poor shmuck whoes address they stole. Replies will not work because the reply address is fake.. automated anything is downright dangerous because the spammers will craft the message to make your countermeasures attack someone else.
Last time they foraged my email adress I got a flood of bounces if they had all taken your approach it would haveMY email server useless and done nothing at all to the spammer..
Spammers do not use their own resources until they are sure your interested.. and even then they usually just sell the list they collected to someone else.
The idea being presented is to devalue the resulting list instead of wasting our time attacking their stolen resources.
I doubt the premiums would return to hardware.. all it will do is make the total package cheaper by removing a componant IBM makes no money whatsoever on.
"(but I've never BEEN to hotteenlesbians.com!)"
That may not be as stupid as it sounds.. for the longest time IE had a function were a site could just add itself or another site to your bookmarks.
A noted example of this was 2kservices a coupple of years ago.. on a visit to one of it's top100 sites it would add itself and a coupple of casinos before adding an entry to C:\windows\hosts to redirect search.msn.com to 2ksearch's ip address.
They only stopped after MS disabled the function and Norton started poping up hostile site warnings.
" Y'know, I was almost tempted to admire your principled stand -- until I noticed that your journal is filled with bitching about being broke."
Actually to be totally honest I often wondered what would have happened had I kept that job.. then someone who still kept track of the place filled me in: the anti spammers got their main link pulled not long after I left followed by them getting booted from every co-location except rackspace.. They ended up packing up everything and moving the buisness to Moscow..
So I would still have been out of a job.. but probably sooner than I was anyways As that place closed shop before I got layed off from the job I took afterwords.
Yeah.. When I quit my first job in montreal after the place took a direction other than what was on the job description(they wanted to do porn and I didn't) They posted a job asking for my qualifications but expected to about $12 CDN an hour.
One day I'm overhearing the receptionist talking to a prospective sysadmin calling for my job "well sir.. before we process your resume.. do you have a problem with porn? how about animal porn? ohh well ok then. thanks anyways"
Glad I left? yep! That place and Ralsky deserved each other.
Not only that, but one would think that the first thing a terrorist would do after taking the truck would be to break the antenna.
They can't possibly require a working signal to work or these things would have serious problems with tunnels and such.
This seems like yet another feelgood measure that doesn't actually do much to make anyone safer.
"Now, let's think about the United States. Gun ownership is much higher, and involves much more sophisticated weaponry."
I wasn't aware that the general american populace had access to something more sophisticated than surface to air heat seeking rockets.
The discussion in question was about the possibillity of evil root programs reflashing the firmware on purpose.
The IDE maintainer at the time wanted to add a security filter to protect the system from root.
This is about simple accesses destroying some drives so it's a completely different issue.
Just as many. The OS should not be able to fry harware with a simple access even if it's XP.
Were not talking crashes were talking hardware fails.
Bah.. $845K is for the mere masses. Real people with money buy this thing