The company that is essentially not in business anymore? I see this as Appgen is not holding up their end of the bargain and people are having to do what they need to to survive.
I do not advocate piracy - these people have already paid to use this software. They are effectively *fixing* the situation. Now, if they continue on developing more appgen apps with cracked keys, that's a problem.
"The mix" will happen because this directive isn't saying 'always open source', but 'when equal, give preference to the open solution'. If things are clearly not equal in terms of usability, obviously it wouldn't be pushed.
I would, however, point out that, as you saw, KWord is just not usable on a large scale. The latest Suse or Redhat with Ximian Desktop 2 and OpenOffice 1.1 *is* usable. A department of office workers needing to email, write reports, crunch basic numbers and browse the web would do *quite* well with that, from a simplicity and technological standpoint. My assumption is that for an entire dept, there would be one competent admin to set up network printing, then you're done.
'Getting better' might be a good statement, but 'it works' is just wrong.
Part of the problem is getting people to agree that ctrl c/v should be supported, so many programs don't get tested for that. GAIM, up until about 8 months ago, had ctrl+c bring up a color wheel!
I can still reliably *NOT* have copy/paste work in KDE 3.1.3. Copying something WILL put it in Klipper, and it's got a checkbox next to it, but won't be 'active' until I select it from the Klipper area anyway.
Little crap like that just isn't tested continues to annoy the heck out of me and many other people. I suspect it'll be at least another year before the stuff really does work *reliably* and is implemented properly in all of the (probably dozens) of required libraries.
The whole 'just highlight something then middle click' thing is REALLY something that should be able to be shut off altogether (easily - I don't mean by recompiling and reinstalling everything). People need *one* way of doing basic stuff like copy/paste, and using key controls (or menus) should be adopted. Why? Because it's and *explicit* command. You can't accidentally lose the stuff in your clipboard buffer by highlighting over something else. Giving the computer a command like hitting two keys simultaneously is much less ambiguous about what you meant to do.
Thanks for the kind words. We'll buy you some more pizza next time you're in town.:)
In all seriousness, we could use more contributors and testers for LC - all you slashdotters into PHP are welcome to join us at http://www.logicreate.com
I think you meant Mandrake 9.2 - I'm running 9.1 Also, just installed Suse 8.2 recently to try out the new Ximian Desktop 2. A Ximian guy came to our LUG to demo it, and it looked nice. OOo is looking sweet to. So, I thought, perhaps I'll be more Gnome oriented. Lo and behold, I can't specify page ranges when I'm printing. WTH??? Now, I *CAN* do so direct from OOo, but not from what appears to be the new gnome printer dialog box.
small plug: phphelpdesk.com. Currently pricing is a flat rate 'all you can eat' - this will be changing in Q4 to both a 'pay as you go' and 'prepay x hours quarterly/yearly' service. We've already been servicing a number of clients on 24/7 basis as needed, and will be ramping up to meet demand.
I'm tired and angry about this 'links.php' page constantly being pointed to. Look at the two companies listed under 'support'. Zend is NOT a support company. They support their own products, not PHP in general. I can not contract with Zend for 24/7 or toll-free support. thinkphp.de may be good, but it's just *one* company in Europe listed.
There *are* more companies - mine among them (http://tapinternet.com) - which offer PHP support services (http://www.phphelpdesk.com). Whoever runs the php.net site has seen fit to ignore my requests for listing us on that page, which leads me to believe other support companies are also not listed.
We offer training courses as well, and that's becoming something more in demand, but the support aspect is something people want too.
From all the Beatles documentaries and radio commentries I've seen, heard and read, I've come to the conclusion that Epstein could have taken just about any four reasonably talented musicians and made them into what the Beatles became.
He tried with *numerous* other groups to replicate the Beatles' success, and never came close. No other group had such a combination of singing/writing skill *and* stage presence.
A very simple law like "it's illegal to send commercial email to anyone without prior consent" would do."
That's simply too broad. Me sending an introductory email to a new business welcoming them to the area could be construed as 'commercial' because I might be angling for new business in the future.
You'd have to run an audit to confirm the absence of anything. That's what an audit is - collecting info on what's running on the machines. Just *saying* there's nothing that is in violation isn't good enough.
In reality, if you said 'we all run Linux', they probably wouldn't push further. But the possibility might still be there if they don't trust you.
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And then you pay MySQL AB for a license, right?
What for? There's absolutely no need to buy a license to install it.
They got to see ad-free television produced by people who were willing to take artistic risks because the they weren't subject to the tyranny of the marketing department...... and ended up with Noel's House Party.
Saving money shouldn't be the primary focus of adopting public-license software, at least not for governments. They have an obligation to keep public data public, in the strongest sense of the word, and by forcing people to use vendor-specific products to interact with public data, they're sacrificing accessibility for expediency.
Certainly adopting handicapped accessibility laws requiring building construction costs in most government buildings didn't 'save' any money. They passed that because there was a moral, if not legal, obligation to provide access, mostly irrespective of cost.
So sell some of the old stuff then. Put together good collections, and don't try to charge me $40 for stuff that was developed 20 years ago. There was no R&D cost to recoup, just distribution. They'd at least be making *some* money, instead of *none*.
Back in my retail days we had management come give us lectures about 'suggestive selling' or 'upselling'.
"Would you like fries with that?" is obviously the most famous, but "do you want to buy any blank tapes?" is another classic at mall music stores. (Who actually goes there any more?). Or "would you like an extended warranty with that?"
Anyway, I'd thought 'forced' selling might be fun, unique model for ecommerce. Put product X in your cart, checkout, and you've instead purchased product Y. I thought this might be a good model to patent, then I realized the local Burger King has been practicing this for years already.
Why can't they legislate that browser makers (far fewer of them) make it stupidly easy to manage cookies and include some helpfile about what cookies are? The Mozilla and Konqueror tools are good first steps, but a big 'cookie' icon (with a bite taken out of it or something) that brought up a simple but detailed view of the state of cookies in the browser would help immensely.
5-10 programs would be impacted instead of the tens of thousands of sites which will be impacted by this (stupid) law.
If there were cameras that tracked my usage whenever I took pictures of certain places, the law would be written to mandate that cameras contained functions to limit this ability. They wouldn't require the owners of every place that could possibly be photographed to change how people take pictures of their locations. Maybe that's not a good analogy?:)
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We should just put clocks 30 minutes in between and be done with it forever.
The company that is essentially not in business anymore? I see this as Appgen is not holding up their end of the bargain and people are having to do what they need to to survive.
I do not advocate piracy - these people have already paid to use this software. They are effectively *fixing* the situation. Now, if they continue on developing more appgen apps with cracked keys, that's a problem.
That sure is a funny way to spell water.
"The mix" will happen because this directive isn't saying 'always open source', but 'when equal, give preference to the open solution'. If things are clearly not equal in terms of usability, obviously it wouldn't be pushed.
I would, however, point out that, as you saw, KWord is just not usable on a large scale. The latest Suse or Redhat with Ximian Desktop 2 and OpenOffice 1.1 *is* usable. A department of office workers needing to email, write reports, crunch basic numbers and browse the web would do *quite* well with that, from a simplicity and technological standpoint. My assumption is that for an entire dept, there would be one competent admin to set up network printing, then you're done.
'Getting better' might be a good statement, but 'it works' is just wrong.
Part of the problem is getting people to agree that ctrl c/v should be supported, so many programs don't get tested for that. GAIM, up until about 8 months ago, had ctrl+c bring up a color wheel!
I can still reliably *NOT* have copy/paste work in KDE 3.1.3. Copying something WILL put it in Klipper, and it's got a checkbox next to it, but won't be 'active' until I select it from the Klipper area anyway.
Little crap like that just isn't tested continues to annoy the heck out of me and many other people. I suspect it'll be at least another year before the stuff really does work *reliably* and is implemented properly in all of the (probably dozens) of required libraries.
The whole 'just highlight something then middle click' thing is REALLY something that should be able to be shut off altogether (easily - I don't mean by recompiling and reinstalling everything). People need *one* way of doing basic stuff like copy/paste, and using key controls (or menus) should be adopted. Why? Because it's and *explicit* command. You can't accidentally lose the stuff in your clipboard buffer by highlighting over something else. Giving the computer a command like hitting two keys simultaneously is much less ambiguous about what you meant to do.
EXCELLENT POINT. If only I had the modpoints... :(
Thanks for the kind words. We'll buy you some more pizza next time you're in town. :)
In all seriousness, we could use more contributors and testers for LC - all you slashdotters into PHP are welcome to join us at http://www.logicreate.com
I think you meant Mandrake 9.2 - I'm running 9.1 Also, just installed Suse 8.2 recently to try out the new Ximian Desktop 2. A Ximian guy came to our LUG to demo it, and it looked nice. OOo is looking sweet to. So, I thought, perhaps I'll be more Gnome oriented. Lo and behold, I can't specify page ranges when I'm printing. WTH??? Now, I *CAN* do so direct from OOo, but not from what appears to be the new gnome printer dialog box.
Hardly *anyone* there uses computers at all - they need it more than Newham.
Anybody suggest some support vendors for PHP?
small plug:
phphelpdesk.com. Currently pricing is a flat rate 'all you can eat' - this will be changing in Q4 to both a 'pay as you go' and 'prepay x hours quarterly/yearly' service. We've already been servicing a number of clients on 24/7 basis as needed, and will be ramping up to meet demand.
I'm tired and angry about this 'links.php' page
constantly being pointed to. Look at the two companies listed under 'support'. Zend is NOT a support company. They support their own products, not PHP in general. I can not contract with Zend for 24/7 or toll-free support. thinkphp.de may be good, but it's just *one* company in Europe listed.
There *are* more companies - mine among them (http://tapinternet.com) - which offer PHP support services (http://www.phphelpdesk.com). Whoever runs the php.net site has seen fit to ignore my requests for listing us on that page, which leads me to believe other support companies are also not listed.
We offer training courses as well, and that's becoming something more in demand, but the support aspect is something people want too.
It doesn't work with most laptops, that's why not.
From all the Beatles documentaries and radio commentries I've seen, heard and read, I've come to the conclusion that Epstein could have taken just about any four reasonably talented musicians and made them into what the Beatles became.
He tried with *numerous* other groups to replicate the Beatles' success, and never came close. No other group had such a combination of singing/writing skill *and* stage presence.
A very simple law like "it's illegal to send commercial email to anyone without prior consent" would do."
That's simply too broad. Me sending an introductory email to a new business welcoming them to the area could be construed as 'commercial' because I might be angling for new business in the future.
You'd have to run an audit to confirm the absence of anything. That's what an audit is - collecting info on what's running on the machines. Just *saying* there's nothing that is in violation isn't good enough.
In reality, if you said 'we all run Linux', they probably wouldn't push further. But the possibility might still be there if they don't trust you.
And then you pay MySQL AB for a license, right?
What for? There's absolutely no need to buy a license to install it.
http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html
Quit the trolling...
They got to see ad-free television produced by people who were willing to take artistic risks because the they weren't subject to the tyranny of the marketing department... ... and ended up with Noel's House Party.
But they should already have some common sense.
Sharing printers and whatnot over the internet isn't 'common'.
For *most* people, using a computer isn't 'common'.
Understanding TCP ports and virus attack methods isn't 'common'.
Saving money shouldn't be the primary focus of adopting public-license software, at least not for governments. They have an obligation to keep public data public, in the strongest sense of the word, and by forcing people to use vendor-specific products to interact with public data, they're sacrificing accessibility for expediency.
Certainly adopting handicapped accessibility laws requiring building construction costs in most government buildings didn't 'save' any money. They passed that because there was a moral, if not legal, obligation to provide access, mostly irrespective of cost.
So sell some of the old stuff then. Put together good collections, and don't try to charge me $40 for stuff that was developed 20 years ago. There was no R&D cost to recoup, just distribution. They'd at least be making *some* money, instead of *none*.
Back in my retail days we had management come give us lectures about 'suggestive selling' or 'upselling'.
"Would you like fries with that?" is obviously the most famous, but "do you want to buy any blank tapes?" is another classic at mall music stores. (Who actually goes there any more?). Or "would you like an extended warranty with that?"
Anyway, I'd thought 'forced' selling might be fun, unique model for ecommerce. Put product X in your cart, checkout, and you've instead purchased product Y. I thought this might be a good model to patent, then I realized the local Burger King has been practicing this for years already.
Why can't they legislate that browser makers (far fewer of them) make it stupidly easy to manage cookies and include some helpfile about what cookies are? The Mozilla and Konqueror tools are good first steps, but a big 'cookie' icon (with a bite taken out of it or something) that brought up a simple but detailed view of the state of cookies in the browser would help immensely.
:)
5-10 programs would be impacted instead of the tens of thousands of sites which will be impacted by this (stupid) law.
If there were cameras that tracked my usage whenever I took pictures of certain places, the law would be written to mandate that cameras contained functions to limit this ability. They wouldn't require the owners of every place that could possibly be photographed to change how people take pictures of their locations. Maybe that's not a good analogy?
There's a greater chance that your session would be hijacked accidentally if you fwd a URL that has your session ID in it to someone else.
http://www.angelfire.com/de2/detroitpix/1GiantTire .html
on I-94 in Detroit. 'nuff said.