I hearby claim all items, lands, property, and celestial bodies located beyond the Oort Cloud of the solar system of Sol, including, but not limited to galaxies, stars, planets, asteroids, planetesimals, black holes, and other items, known or not, tangible or not, in the known Universe, in pertetuity.
Now, about your license fees for the looking at my stars and grouping them in constelations....
These broadcast flags may be a Bad Thing. But, if we all watch less TV, the world may be a better place.
More time to learn, to play, to volunteer, to socialise.
Maybe, parents will actually raise their children, take care of their households, and improve the lives of their loved-ones.
People will have the time to learn about the things their government is doing, how the politicians who represent them are acting, what the issues really are, and how to change things for the better.
Ummm, no. Linux is not ready for the desktop. It is closer than it was, but it is not ready for Joe User.
I think if computers were sold with Linux, for hundreds cheaper than comparable Windows PCs, people would start using it.
What happens when these people try to install software and fall into dependancy hell? Or, install hardware with half-assed support because whoever wrote the driver got it to where it worked well enough for him? Or, they can't find the right file in/dev? Or, have to recompile the kernel to get a device working. Or, they change their video card and can't get XF86 working because it is not supported?
How about a better/dev. Something that can handle dynamic devices. Something that only shows the devices attached to the system instead of 10,000+ . Something that actually works.
The next time a MS worm hits, remember you made this post and don't whine about how everyone should use Linux. Also, don't complain about the lack of H/W or S/W support, because you advocate keeping Linux out of the hands of average users.
Thank you for making the point of everyone who says Linux user are intolerant and condesending to newbies.
While designing an OS so that even an idiot can use it may not be bennificial, neither is keeping a system so complex that only an expert maintain it.
The fact is GNU/Linux is not user-friendly. It is almost user-hostile.
I have mastered Linux and am computer enthusiast. But, you should not have to be "a real computer enthusiast" to use an operating system effectively.This has nothing to do with appeasing "Windows zealots". It have every thing to do with a crappy static device system, arcane commands, a bolt-on GUI, cluttered system directories, dependancy hell, and many more things.
The problem is not with "geeky technical innovations" but rather a lack of innovation in basic usablity at the desktop level. These are things that would make life easier for everyone, and make Linux usable for general users and not just the real computer enthusiast.
In your post I see the main obstical to the adoption of Linux by "unwashed masses". When a MS virus/worm/trojan hits, the comments run to something like "This would not happen if everyone used Linux!". Then, when there is a suggestion of increasing the ease of use of Linux, the comments become "We shouldn't make it easier!", and "RTFM" when someone newbie asks a question.
There are lot more levels than "Computer enthusiast only" and "computer idiot". I know, I work in Tech support. Aim for the middle ground and the userbase of Linux will increase. Keep things as they are and Linux will become a server operating system that geeks use at home.
Why is it so many here on Slashdot complain about their privacy being invaded, yet turn around and applaud someone who invades the privacy of a corporation or individual by hacking into a computer system or network?
If the roles were reversed you can bet there would be an outcry for the maximum penalty for the perpetrator.
Oh, HP can do it, but the real question is why should they. It will be a support nightmare.
We see it all the time:
having to edit files to get hardware or software to work with Linux
poor hardware support
dependency hell
cryptic commands
crappy dynamic device support
I currently work as telephone support. I can not imagine trying to walk an average customer through say adding a network card, setting up a PDA, installing software, accessing their digital camera or half a dozen other tasks.
The fact of the matter is GNU/Linux is not for the average user's computer. Right now, Linux is a server operating system. Sure, there are user programs available and a GUI, but Linux works better as a server platform than as a general user platform. Until strides are made towards making Linux more friendly to people who treat computers as tools and not as hobbies or as a profession, Linux will not be ready for general use as a Desktop Operating system.
I don't considering installing software I buy on two computers piracy. Nor do I consider loaning software to a friend piracy.
Regardless of whether or not you consider it piracy, what you describe can be a violation of copyright law.
I do not need to name a statute naming copyright violation as piracy as I was making a clarifying statement concerning terminology used and nothing more. Interestingly, you do not refute the fact that what you name in your original post is a violation of copyright law (assuming the copyright holder of said program stipulates the program purchased is for the sole use of the purchaser and is only to be used on a single computer).
What you describe in your original post is equivelent to purchasing a book, making a copy of the book then give said copy to a friend. While the act may not be for profit, the violation is clear.
Jobs that don't require training are pretty hard to find...actually, I'd say harder to find than jobs that require education, from the perspective of someone who has looked for jobs under both categories, before and after college.
Not really. The world needs construction laborers, landscapers, burger flippers, etc. They are just not as easy or pay as well as telemarketing.
there are people with little or no education that are actually raising their families on that job, and then they have to put up with minimum wage as well
So what? I am just supposed to let someone annoy me for a living? I don't think so. BTW, telemarketing generally pays higher than minimum wage.
I thought you said people can go find work elsewhere when an industry starts to die...oh, only when it hurts you personally? Well...that's typical of American thinking actually..."let's pass legislation to protect our jobs".
To my eye, the original poster is making the point that no one is passing legislation to protect IT jobs, so why should telemarketer's jobs be protected?
The moment other nations start imposing tariffs on american products so that they can protect *their* industries and be competitive, we'll all start yelling, "don't interfere with free trade, let the market set the pace"
They already do this, thank you very much.
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We seem to be talking about different things. To me, you seem to be talking about the X-window system in general.
I am talking about a non-exsistant system that would replace X-windows (and possibly GNU/Linux) on personal computers. It could have X compatiblity, but not necessarily need it.
X is good for what it is good for and I don't want to replace X in all situations, just, maybe, possibly in one.
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For instance, consider a photo of nice kitten to be displayed in graphics editor. Obvoisly, it cannot be contained in GUI subsystem, and should be passed over network connection.
Yes, but what about toolbars, menu bars, dialog boxes, menu lists, etc.? These are items that can be standardized and/or abstracted so that the widget can be local to the server.
There is limited number of things which could be stored in X server. On NCD ECX there is only four megabytes of memory to run X server in.
This is the exact reason for discussing a replacement of X for certain devices. X serves a purpose. Rather than scrap X, write something new and different that can interoperate with X but supports newer and different features.
How should you know that particular interface element is a standard thing, not a "kitten photo".
Applications may need custom controls like dials
or draggable graphs.
Good question. I am not sure. I suppose it would work like thus for a PNG of a kitten displayed at 240x420 in a window by itself:
GraphicFame:PNG:240x420:<picturedata>
encoded for transmission. The display server would handle creation, location and display of the window with the picture in it. For an something like a word processing program, the display server would handle the standard widgets and creation and location of the windows, popups etc. The actually content of the window would be handled at the appliation level. For custom widgets, there are a number of ways to do it from the current method used by X to something akin to ActiveX controls used by windows. It is an implementation detail that can be discussed at length later. This is more of brainstorming thing.
It is interesting idea to convert widget library into separate server, like font server and provide some contorl cache in X server.
This is an interesting idea. I have not considered it, but it may be worth exploring further. Do you have any further ideas on it?
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BTW, why do you disable comments on your "Modern OS" Journal entries? There are few points which I'd like to comment.
I have comments enabled. I do not know why you can not post to it. I will investigate. I am interested in your opinions.
But I cannot see the difference between draw this thing and I want this thing to be shown.
I am referring to what gets passed over a network connection. I think the appication should not contain the actual thing to be displayed, but rather just enough information for the server use its primitive, widgets, etc to display the information.
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Look and feel of the program should be consistent with function of program, not with other programs on the same desktop.
I believe the programs look should be under the control of the user. How it is done, I don't really care.
As for the drawing level of comms, per haps I miscommunicated. I think the program should say "Draw this kind of thing here with this in it." as opposed to "Here is something I want you to show on the screen."
I hope this clarifies things.
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While you make some good points, what you say is not necessarily true. I would like to see the X-window system replaced with something better.
I would like to see a more secure, network transparent windowing system that uses the widgets on the display server and not the machine the application is running on. This way there would be consistant look and feel to the apps regardless of where they are running.
Personally, I would like see the GUI integrated into the kernel, with net transparency and compatiblity handled by daemons.
At work maybe, but not likely at home
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I can see Linux gaining desktop share in corporations, but IMHO it will not be a major force in the home market for some time to come. All the current development focus seems to be on server functionality.
Linux needs better support for hot-plugged devices, a better GUI, easier configuration, a cleaner file system, and better applications.
By far, the majority of home computer users care about ease of use and simplicity rather than configurablity. They want applications and hardware that are easy to install and use. This is something that GNU/Linux with XFree86 does not have. And, it will have to change before Desktop Linux is common in the home.
I happen to know that truckers are discovering the joys of computers very rapidly. I was an Over The Road trucker for a year. You would be surprised at the number of computers in use.
Truckers use computers to plan trips, calculate milage, track scheduled maintenance and manage their log books. They use the internet to locate loads, talk to their families, friends and dispatchers, and even for fun.
Many truckstops have Trucker only sections with line connections at the tables for laptops.
I currently work for a cell phone manufacturer providing support for people who want to connect cell phones to computers. We receive many calls from truckers.
This could be a Big Thing, especially with the cost of fuel.
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- He is an American
- He resides in the US
- He made the calls and sent the email from the US
- There are laws in the US and in the state in which he resides against making threats.
Any other questions?I hearby claim all items, lands, property, and celestial bodies located beyond the Oort Cloud of the solar system of Sol, including, but not limited to galaxies, stars, planets, asteroids, planetesimals, black holes, and other items, known or not, tangible or not, in the known Universe, in pertetuity.
Now, about your license fees for the looking at my stars and grouping them in constelations....
These broadcast flags may be a Bad Thing. But, if we all watch less TV, the world may be a better place.
More time to learn, to play, to volunteer, to socialise.
Maybe, parents will actually raise their children, take care of their households, and improve the lives of their loved-ones.
People will have the time to learn about the things their government is doing, how the politicians who represent them are acting, what the issues really are, and how to change things for the better.
Or not. I could just be dreaming.
Gasparillia Day is an annual party, akin to Mardi Gras, that celebrates when the Tampa Bay area was invaded by pirates. Much debauchery is to be had!
I have beeds! Show me your Tits!
Oh.. Sorry...flash back.
Ummm, no. Linux is not ready for the desktop. It is closer than it was, but it is not ready for Joe User.
Have you ever used it? It is not easy, intuitive or convenient.
How about a better /dev. Something that can handle dynamic devices. Something that only shows the devices attached to the system instead of 10,000+ . Something that actually works.
The next time a MS worm hits, remember you made this post and don't whine about how everyone should use Linux. Also, don't complain about the lack of H/W or S/W support, because you advocate keeping Linux out of the hands of average users.
Thank you for making the point of everyone who says Linux user are intolerant and condesending to newbies.
While designing an OS so that even an idiot can use it may not be bennificial, neither is keeping a system so complex that only an expert maintain it.
The fact is GNU/Linux is not user-friendly. It is almost user-hostile.
I have mastered Linux and am computer enthusiast. But, you should not have to be "a real computer enthusiast" to use an operating system effectively.This has nothing to do with appeasing "Windows zealots". It have every thing to do with a crappy static device system, arcane commands, a bolt-on GUI, cluttered system directories, dependancy hell, and many more things.
The problem is not with "geeky technical innovations" but rather a lack of innovation in basic usablity at the desktop level. These are things that would make life easier for everyone, and make Linux usable for general users and not just the real computer enthusiast.
In your post I see the main obstical to the adoption of Linux by "unwashed masses". When a MS virus/worm/trojan hits, the comments run to something like "This would not happen if everyone used Linux!". Then, when there is a suggestion of increasing the ease of use of Linux, the comments become "We shouldn't make it easier!", and "RTFM" when someone newbie asks a question.
There are lot more levels than "Computer enthusiast only" and "computer idiot". I know, I work in Tech support. Aim for the middle ground and the userbase of Linux will increase. Keep things as they are and Linux will become a server operating system that geeks use at home.
Take your pick:
http://zem.squidly.org/bsod/
http://www.piemaster.co.uk/gallery/BSOD
Why is it so many here on Slashdot complain about their privacy being invaded, yet turn around and applaud someone who invades the privacy of a corporation or individual by hacking into a computer system or network?
If the roles were reversed you can bet there would be an outcry for the maximum penalty for the perpetrator.
I wonder if it would be possible for the Slashdot readership to buy enough stock, set up a proxy block and stage a hostile take over of SCO.
We see it all the time:
- having to edit files to get hardware or software to work with Linux
- poor hardware support
- dependency hell
- cryptic commands
- crappy dynamic device support
I currently work as telephone support. I can not imagine trying to walk an average customer through say adding a network card, setting up a PDA, installing software, accessing their digital camera or half a dozen other tasks.The fact of the matter is GNU/Linux is not for the average user's computer. Right now, Linux is a server operating system. Sure, there are user programs available and a GUI, but Linux works better as a server platform than as a general user platform. Until strides are made towards making Linux more friendly to people who treat computers as tools and not as hobbies or as a profession, Linux will not be ready for general use as a Desktop Operating system.
Regardless of whether or not you consider it piracy, what you describe can be a violation of copyright law.
I do not need to name a statute naming copyright violation as piracy as I was making a clarifying statement concerning terminology used and nothing more. Interestingly, you do not refute the fact that what you name in your original post is a violation of copyright law (assuming the copyright holder of said program stipulates the program purchased is for the sole use of the purchaser and is only to be used on a single computer).
What you describe in your original post is equivelent to purchasing a book, making a copy of the book then give said copy to a friend. While the act may not be for profit, the violation is clear.
Ummm... by definition sharing a program you have purchased with friends and family is copyright violation, which is what is referred to as piracy.
Not really. The world needs construction laborers, landscapers, burger flippers, etc. They are just not as easy or pay as well as telemarketing.
So what? I am just supposed to let someone annoy me for a living? I don't think so. BTW, telemarketing generally pays higher than minimum wage.
To my eye, the original poster is making the point that no one is passing legislation to protect IT jobs, so why should telemarketer's jobs be protected?
They already do this, thank you very much.
I am talking about a non-exsistant system that would replace X-windows (and possibly GNU/Linux) on personal computers. It could have X compatiblity, but not necessarily need it.
X is good for what it is good for and I don't want to replace X in all situations, just, maybe, possibly in one.
Yes, but what about toolbars, menu bars, dialog boxes, menu lists, etc.? These are items that can be standardized and/or abstracted so that the widget can be local to the server.
There is limited number of things which could be stored in X server. On NCD ECX there is only four megabytes of memory to run X server in.
This is the exact reason for discussing a replacement of X for certain devices. X serves a purpose. Rather than scrap X, write something new and different that can interoperate with X but supports newer and different features.
How should you know that particular interface element is a standard thing, not a "kitten photo". Applications may need custom controls like dials or draggable graphs.
Good question. I am not sure. I suppose it would work like thus for a PNG of a kitten displayed at 240x420 in a window by itself:
encoded for transmission. The display server would handle creation, location and display of the window with the picture in it. For an something like a word processing program, the display server would handle the standard widgets and creation and location of the windows, popups etc. The actually content of the window would be handled at the appliation level. For custom widgets, there are a number of ways to do it from the current method used by X to something akin to ActiveX controls used by windows. It is an implementation detail that can be discussed at length later. This is more of brainstorming thing.It is interesting idea to convert widget library into separate server, like font server and provide some contorl cache in X server.
This is an interesting idea. I have not considered it, but it may be worth exploring further. Do you have any further ideas on it?
I have comments enabled. I do not know why you can not post to it. I will investigate. I am interested in your opinions.
But I cannot see the difference between draw this thing and I want this thing to be shown.
I am referring to what gets passed over a network connection. I think the appication should not contain the actual thing to be displayed, but rather just enough information for the server use its primitive, widgets, etc to display the information.
with function of program, not with other programs
on the same desktop.
I believe the programs look should be under the control of the user. How it is done, I don't really care.
As for the drawing level of comms, per haps I miscommunicated. I think the program should say "Draw this kind of thing here with this in it." as opposed to "Here is something I want you to show on the screen ."
I hope this clarifies things.
I would like to see a more secure, network transparent windowing system that uses the widgets on the display server and not the machine the application is running on. This way there would be consistant look and feel to the apps regardless of where they are running.
Personally, I would like see the GUI integrated into the kernel, with net transparency and compatiblity handled by daemons.
I have been talking about this in my journal
I can see Linux gaining desktop share in corporations, but IMHO it will not be a major force in the home market for some time to come. All the current development focus seems to be on server functionality.
Linux needs better support for hot-plugged devices, a better GUI, easier configuration, a cleaner file system, and better applications.
By far, the majority of home computer users care about ease of use and simplicity rather than configurablity. They want applications and hardware that are easy to install and use. This is something that GNU/Linux with XFree86 does not have. And, it will have to change before Desktop Linux is common in the home.
Check my journal for further thoughts on this.
Worst comment EVER!
I happen to know that truckers are discovering the joys of computers very rapidly. I was an Over The Road trucker for a year. You would be surprised at the number of computers in use.
Truckers use computers to plan trips, calculate milage, track scheduled maintenance and manage their log books. They use the internet to locate loads, talk to their families, friends and dispatchers, and even for fun.
Many truckstops have Trucker only sections with line connections at the tables for laptops.
I currently work for a cell phone manufacturer providing support for people who want to connect cell phones to computers. We receive many calls from truckers.
This could be a Big Thing, especially with the cost of fuel.