this just about pisses me off.. but it worries me more than anything since you may reproduce and promote non-inolvement in organized sports!
Are you worried about the spychological ramifications of he/she being cut from a team or missing a winning goal?? Well, DONT! lessons learned in organized sports by young children are almost too many to name, but I'll list a few:
1. Team sportsmanship, sharing
2. gets the children in shape and gets them into enjoying their physical prowess.
3. they learn to enjoy winning, and striving toward greatness...they also learn defeat is not the end of the world...
4. most importantly, THEY ARE A PART OF SOMETHING. they are involved, and off the streets. In this day and age, that should be the first and foremost thought in a parent's mind...
I believe you may be educated and highly intelligent, and let me tell you, NJ has come a long way because they yanked me out and had me learning Calc in 4th grade... so things have changed...
But while I was learning Calculus in fourth grade, I was playing 3 sports... Soccer since age 4 (AND STILL PLAYING!), Baseball since age 7...wrestling since age 7...etc etc...
I BELIEVE THOSE WERE THE GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF MY YOUTH... not being accepted and going to the best high school in the US, not getting great grades which i did, BUT PLAYING EVERY SPORT I COULD FIT IN EACH YEAR!!
Without those teamwork skills, and the knowledge that defeat is not the end-all, and winning feels great, I wouldnt be as successful as I am...
So do us all a favor bro: DONT PRODUCE ANOTHER "RUNNER"-GEEK IN YOUR IMAGE FOR MY KIDS TO BEAT UP AND OUT-SCORE IN SCHOOL...
lol.. you are way off...
-Vanguard
ps: My suggestion: teach the kid either Game development (he'll enjoy it AND get rich if he's that smart)...OR teach the kid the ins and outs of computer security... (a field in its infancy still which will be around forever in one form or another!! thank god!!)
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"* Three cheers for you if you poke around his website and figure out who he is. His initials, though, are "CS". "
huh? this supposed to be difficult? got it in one click... strange...
oh well, I guess to some, lefty-loosey righty-tighty is a 500 level course...
you know who you are.. hell, im talk 99% of the posters here! Criticizing people for being supergeeks!?? what-da-funk-ever!
you need help. If your brain automatically went into jealousy-critic-save-mother-earth-down-with-the-ri ch mode, then you need help! serious help!
I think each and every one of us has had a fantasy/dream about having the ultimate geek home with all the relevant and psycho toys available and even new ones...
I dont know.. maybe I'm just the freak here, but having a 3,000 sq ft sub, and 50 terminals in my home with touch-screen interface, and ten 20-foot video screens with voice activation etc etc WOULD BE THE DAMN COOLEST ACHIEVEMENT IN THE WORLD... right behind finding a beautiful intelligent chick to share it with...
so be "non-conformist and anti-establishment" all you want, but then step back realize you are 100% full of shiznit...
-Vanguard
ps: ill see you in my mobile-internet-audio-video-heaven-flying-saucer SOMEDAY....
"Sep. 28, 2000,
Young Vanguard read some disturbing news - which incidentally was posted over-and-over-and-over again in order to taunt young Vanguard - involving Sony's long-awaited PS2 release. It seems the media giant is only releasing HALF of their originally published number of systems to the U.S market.
The story really begins in MAY of 2000 when young Vanguard reserved AND PAID FOR his PS2 system at his local Software Etc. store. Upon reading the frettful news, Vanguard placed a call to the store where his "Christmas in October" dreams were resting, and was told the following:
"We're sorry, but due to this unfortunate news, you have been pushed down onto list 2."
"What the hell does that mean?" replied an irate Vanguard
"Well, list 1 should still recieve their PS2 system in October, however, the newly created list 2 is only guarenteed a 'before Christmas' delivery"
Well, needless to say, young Vanguard IS %#^@&&!% PISSED!!!!" [EOF]
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ok. resistance members, it is time to rise up. now is the time to feel the empowerment....
you seem to be forgetting or ignoring this very basic principle:
the US (we!) are the biggest, baddest MF on the block, and when it comes to matters of National Security, I WANT them to see every little thing the rest of the world is doing.
Resist if you want, but remember, resistance is futile. If you are doing anything that is of interest to the NSA, then you are obviously doing something wrong. My advice: don't do anything illegal or threatening.
For a living, I help secure our nation from idiots, terrorists, and losers who think they should "be allowed" to get away with threatening or actually perpetuating a crime against the US because "their laws dont effect me." Screw them. If I am doing something I wish to hide, then I must be doing something illegal or shameful. Solution: don't do these things.
Face it, we live in a world that is ultimately moving toward a One-World or Global government body. THERE IS NOT A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! So whine all you want, and badmouth "big-brother," just realize that while you do so, you're nothing but a useless pile of she-it on the side of the road.
Go play with the Roo's Mate. They atleast wont judge you for your international crimes.
-Vanguard
ps: i understand that in saying this, I am going against the "status quo" and basically advocating the impedence of freedoms and privacy. But screw it, when it comes to National Security, (read: my safety and my children's) then I could care less if you have to let the U.S. know each time you take a piss... I'll say it again: we are the biggest, baddest MF on the block, so give us your lunch money. simple.
a) capitalism. plain and simple. (go to school, take econ and finance...uhgg...)
b) ever heard of VIP? Valued Shopper discounts? Coupon/discount clubs? Frequent Flyer discounts? Car sales? SHOE STORES EVEN LET YOU BARTER! (I just found this out =)
But most importantly:
c) Ever heard of McDonalds? hmmm, if you have, then you'll notice that a cheeseburger in one location could be drastically cheaper in another McDonalds. Around the world, McDonalds' prices fluctuate BASED ON income levels.. ie, Cost of Living. So I guess we should demand equal burger prices?!?! (imagine: you sit in NY watching an ad for 25cent Burger, you fly to L.A. and have to pay 50cents! fine by me!) hmmph...
Listen people, but I have to point out, YOUR ARE ASSUMING the laws that protect you from something like this, but they don't. And they shouldn't. If and when I open a company, I will sell to you at a price I determine by how dumb a luck you have on your face and there is nothing you can do about it. simple. As long as it cannot be proven that it was Racial, Gender-based, or Religious biased. Even then, you better have some damn good proof... even with all the bleeding hearts around in the courts...
just my 2 cents...well, for some of you, 4...ill make the difference up later...
it saddens me to see the majority of the responses to this article being written in haste and without a true understanding of the concepts. Consoles and PC's will MERGE in the near future, and that, my friends, is what Microsoft's plans are about...the big picture. the end result.
a few random points:
All new consoles now come with optional keyboards! hence, the controls issue is null and void.
All new consoles will have Internet or similar connectivity for global gaming.
All new consoles will ship with or allow add-on hard drives for data storage
All new consoles will double as media centers, including multimedia internet browsing, TV on-demand, DVD players, stereo/mp3 compatiblity.
TV's are now digital and High definition TV's have amazing resolutions.
TV's now have input jacks for nearly every type of lead.
---
Now, that last point is what you are failing to see when you respond with "The PC will never die!"
the reason? Well, consoles, TV's, DVD players, stereo's, and PC's are MERGING! This will ultimately lead to each house having installed a broadband media line of some sort. Movies, videos, music, telephone, and network connectivity will eventually MERGE into devices which share all of their individual tasks with one-another.
Will the desktop PC die? well, yes and no. Yes, they will die as we know them today, and no because everyone will still have one to sit at a desk and work on...well, atleast a monitor and a line leading away from it! hehe..
As for Microsoft, well, im certainly no fan, and I can already see XBox Service Pack 3b becoming a possibility...
But you must be honest,
THE DAMN THING *IS* A PC WITH A SUPER GPU and so-so CPU. simple.
The key, like the article said, is to develop a limited hardware differential or zero differences in order to redirect time, energy, and money toward actual game-conent development. I'm all for that! I just cant wait to see Excel 2000 spreadsheets on my 55" HDTV!!! with picture-in-picture Madden 2003 on a taskbar while a business partner sits in an upper left window talking to me live and he thinks im just working... woohoo... i hit Start to unpause my game, and "send" to send off the spreadsheet, and "end" to hang up on his ass!... back to full-screen super-grpahics football over my DSL now!
The loser in all of this is Sega. I'm sorry to see what has been a great machine fall to the wayside so quickly...welp, i have a few good months left with her i guess...But Sony's box WILL be in line with the Xbox as far as competition, so you wont have to worry about a lack of pressure on M$ to produce amazing content.
And one last question. Isnt the PSX2 supposed to allow for an external Hard drive?? The article seems to claim the XBox is the only console with a hard drive at all, when it is simply the only console to SHIP with one.
my 2 cents.
-Vanguard-
"..4th and goal with 2 seconds left...Johnson moves to the line setting up..... wait, what's this, it seems ImaTool74 has called a timeout. It looks like Brad and the Redskins will have to wait a minute while ImaTool74 reboots his Xbox at home and re-picks the last play for Superbowl XXXXVIIII... Dennis, what do you think he'll do in the face of 3l33tONE's pounding defense?..." - Interactive Live Sports brought to you by Microsoft and the wonderful XBox with service pack 15c in conjuction with the MPAA and AOL's AOLTV!...
hmmm....progress? might not be worth it after all...
1. money and see #2
2. see #1
3. still reading? it's an endless loop you ass-clown! it dies when you die!
no, ok, to be serious. There are movements WITHIN the internet community to develop intra-internets if you will. Go read up on FreedomNET, or similar projects and you will see a move toward deregulation and seperation from mainstream linkage.
granted, they will all run on the same backbone shared by all of our corporate friends, but the exchange of information will be through seperate VPN's or tunnels of a sort, and ultimately it will include message traffic as well as software traffic.
internet2 (or 3) will simply be a "one world government" system used for future one-world-government media distribution and secure (read:monitored) information exchanges. And I'm not even a conpiracy theorist... just realistic.
I've stated this before and I will say it again: We MUST discover something (a medium also) faster than light in order to solve congestion. Somebody else said it too: more roads=more traffic. Therefore, we need to find a truly infinite source of bandwidth (ie: infinate road). hmmmm...
now that should keep you busy for a few hundred years.. thinking....
you are trying to equate 2600 vs. Bugtraq (vs. Newsweek for that matter!) as POLAR OPPOSITES based purely on intent!
That is not the case. They are both VERY similar as a matter of fact. Holes in security and how-to-exploit them is the intention of each! 2600 has always stated very clearly that their information is NOT to be used for any illegal activities, and that they are merely pointing out society's and technology's fatal flaws. The difference you are trying to define is not of intent, it is audience. That is where I come along and shatter that theory by visiting both on a regular basis, as well as several other security depots!
It is the "intent" of the USER of DeCSS which should be questioned, not the source of "the news of its existance"!
Bugtraq has links to tools definately more "destructive" than DeCSS could ever be. I could steal information on National Defense and Security with the tools and scripts linked to on Bugtraq, Pen-Test listserv, or any of the dozens of other mailing lists for security personel. (funny thing is, I DO use bugtraq to break into computers, but it just so happens IM ALLOWED...go figure). Therefore should they be illegal for disclosing this information and allowing the discussion of such information? No, they shouldnt.
I also wish to point out that nearly every member of the security staff of any worthy LEGITIMATE security team I've EVER been a part of, has at one time, if not consistently, reviewed, owned, AND ENJOYED 2600 Quarterly! hmmm, and we protect the nation! look out!
-a very irate Vanguard.
"..Excellent Kaplan, release the hounds and activate the artificial lightning!..."
"And which is worse, having that hole reported to your sysadmin, or having it posted on a website frequented by hackers? Bugtraq is not the same as 2600. Intent is relevant to the law here, and 2600 has a very different intent than Bugtraq."
Ok, i have to inject at this point as you are VERY wrong. Being a very active and careful Security Specialist myself, with a great deal of experience at higher levels, I must say a few things:
1. 2600 IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM BUGTRAQ, as each is open to anyone who wishes to participate in viewing it's material, and that material is written by nearly anyone who wishes to contribute.
2. I GO TO BOTH 2600 AND BUGTRAQ on a daily basis! And the irony here: I HEARD ABOUT DeCSS ON TV, on what I think was 60 minutes! 5 minutes later, I had a copy of it after hearing that a poor super-coder kid was in some sort of trouble for reverse-engineering it. I didnt use 2600 or any link for that matter. It was out there everywhere for the taking. I, like Eric, don't own a DVD player on any box running linux, so my intentions were simple curiosity. BUT IT WAS NOT 2600 THAT STEERED ME TO THE SOFTWARE, IT WAS A MAJOR PRIMETIME NEWS SPECIAL ON TV!
should NBC, ABC, or CBS be held responsible for the distribution they merely "inspired" or "linked" to in their broadcast?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
let me share this with you my friend: communism failed for a reason!
"..simply raid their residences"...jesus!!!???
for a virtual link to a virtual space to some digital code??? easy there stalin. take a breather. The US of A is not a place to start calling for residential raids and restrictions of human, let alone civil, rights.
You have missed the implications of this decision. Look at thr possibilities. Perhaps this analogy will help you:
--- If putting a piece of scotch tape over a small hole in a cassette tape allows you to record on that cassette when you run out of blanks became punishable in a court of law, would that be OK?? If you engineered this method of recording on a cassette YOU OWN but was originally only intended to be used to play (in your case old communist propaganda) the commercial music, would you feel as if you have committed a crime?? ---
i didnt think so.
wake up sir, and if you are an American citizen, do us all a favor and MOVE! GO BACK TO NORTH KOREA or wherever you rolled out of.
"You want to know why it's 640x480, because it was started 4 years ago when 640x480x16 was really nice."
wow. i guess i was ahead of my time... I've been using 800x600 and 1024x768 since 95... and most games have used atleast 800x600 since then... When diamond stealth 3d pro cards rocked!
"I mean, what about quake, gameplay for it hasnt changed since quake 3 and all they did for that was take out the gameplay part."
-huh?
but i agree with part, D2 looks great!
Vanguard
"to each his own, but ill take mine with KDE and an order of shells!"
I get the sense that sci-fi isnt really sci-fi, it's more like time travel. these movies are nothing more than the next millenium's historical fictions... What happens when you get addicted to being "smart"? oh yeah! I know! you switch operating systems! -Vanguard "linux:Braveheart:: Microsoft:Papillion"
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this just about pisses me off.. but it worries me more than anything since you may reproduce and promote non-inolvement in organized sports!
Are you worried about the spychological ramifications of he/she being cut from a team or missing a winning goal?? Well, DONT! lessons learned in organized sports by young children are almost too many to name, but I'll list a few:
1. Team sportsmanship, sharing
2. gets the children in shape and gets them into enjoying their physical prowess.
3. they learn to enjoy winning, and striving toward greatness...they also learn defeat is not the end of the world...
4. most importantly, THEY ARE A PART OF SOMETHING. they are involved, and off the streets. In this day and age, that should be the first and foremost thought in a parent's mind...
I believe you may be educated and highly intelligent, and let me tell you, NJ has come a long way because they yanked me out and had me learning Calc in 4th grade... so things have changed...
But while I was learning Calculus in fourth grade, I was playing 3 sports... Soccer since age 4 (AND STILL PLAYING!), Baseball since age 7...wrestling since age 7...etc etc...
I BELIEVE THOSE WERE THE GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF MY YOUTH... not being accepted and going to the best high school in the US, not getting great grades which i did, BUT PLAYING EVERY SPORT I COULD FIT IN EACH YEAR!!
Without those teamwork skills, and the knowledge that defeat is not the end-all, and winning feels great, I wouldnt be as successful as I am...
So do us all a favor bro: DONT PRODUCE ANOTHER "RUNNER"-GEEK IN YOUR IMAGE FOR MY KIDS TO BEAT UP AND OUT-SCORE IN SCHOOL...
lol.. you are way off...
-Vanguard
ps: My suggestion: teach the kid either Game development (he'll enjoy it AND get rich if he's that smart)...OR teach the kid the ins and outs of computer security... (a field in its infancy still which will be around forever in one form or another!! thank god!!)
"* Three cheers for you if you poke around his website and figure out who he is. His initials, though, are "CS". "
huh? this supposed to be difficult? got it in one click... strange...
oh well, I guess to some, lefty-loosey righty-tighty is a 500 level course...
Vanguard
ps: kidding bro, just %!$%ing with ya...
you know who you are.. hell, im talk 99% of the posters here! Criticizing people for being supergeeks!?? what-da-funk-ever!
i ch mode, then you need help! serious help!
you need help. If your brain automatically went into jealousy-critic-save-mother-earth-down-with-the-r
I think each and every one of us has had a fantasy/dream about having the ultimate geek home with all the relevant and psycho toys available and even new ones...
I dont know.. maybe I'm just the freak here, but having a 3,000 sq ft sub, and 50 terminals in my home with touch-screen interface, and ten 20-foot video screens with voice activation etc etc WOULD BE THE DAMN COOLEST ACHIEVEMENT IN THE WORLD... right behind finding a beautiful intelligent chick to share it with...
so be "non-conformist and anti-establishment" all you want, but then step back realize you are 100% full of shiznit...
-Vanguard
ps: ill see you in my mobile-internet-audio-video-heaven-flying-saucer SOMEDAY....
"if Joe Q. Schmuck's shoelace has Linux running on a 2" chip"
ummm.. id want THAT posted....
simple.
./vanguard
ok, this may shed tears... for me it did:
"Sep. 28, 2000,
Young Vanguard read some disturbing news - which incidentally was posted over-and-over-and-over again in order to taunt young Vanguard - involving Sony's long-awaited PS2 release. It seems the media giant is only releasing HALF of their originally published number of systems to the U.S market.
The story really begins in MAY of 2000 when young Vanguard reserved AND PAID FOR his PS2 system at his local Software Etc. store. Upon reading the frettful news, Vanguard placed a call to the store where his "Christmas in October" dreams were resting, and was told the following:
"We're sorry, but due to this unfortunate news, you have been pushed down onto list 2."
"What the hell does that mean?" replied an irate Vanguard
"Well, list 1 should still recieve their PS2 system in October, however, the newly created list 2 is only guarenteed a 'before Christmas' delivery"
Well, needless to say, young Vanguard IS %#^@&&!% PISSED!!!!" [EOF]
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ok. resistance members, it is time to rise up. now is the time to feel the empowerment....
./vanguard/is/pissed
you seem to be forgetting or ignoring this very basic principle:
the US (we!) are the biggest, baddest MF on the block, and when it comes to matters of National Security, I WANT them to see every little thing the rest of the world is doing.
Resist if you want, but remember, resistance is futile. If you are doing anything that is of interest to the NSA, then you are obviously doing something wrong. My advice: don't do anything illegal or threatening.
For a living, I help secure our nation from idiots, terrorists, and losers who think they should "be allowed" to get away with threatening or actually perpetuating a crime against the US because "their laws dont effect me." Screw them. If I am doing something I wish to hide, then I must be doing something illegal or shameful. Solution: don't do these things.
Face it, we live in a world that is ultimately moving toward a One-World or Global government body. THERE IS NOT A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! So whine all you want, and badmouth "big-brother," just realize that while you do so, you're nothing but a useless pile of she-it on the side of the road.
Go play with the Roo's Mate. They atleast wont judge you for your international crimes.
-Vanguard
ps: i understand that in saying this, I am going against the "status quo" and basically advocating the impedence of freedoms and privacy. But screw it, when it comes to National Security, (read: my safety and my children's) then I could care less if you have to let the U.S. know each time you take a piss... I'll say it again: we are the biggest, baddest MF on the block, so give us your lunch money. simple.
uhhg.. yeah, that sells on network TV...sure..100 geeks staying up all night drinking Dew, smoking, and "trying" to high-five when their 'Bot wins...
sheesh... I've never quite met anyone who defines "Geek" like you just did bro...wow...
wait a minute, yes i have,..[Vanguard slowly looks around his lab...There's one! whoa! another one! and another!...]
-vanguard
patches? we don't need no stinkin' patches!
A few things:
a) capitalism. plain and simple. (go to school, take econ and finance...uhgg...)
b) ever heard of VIP? Valued Shopper discounts? Coupon/discount clubs? Frequent Flyer discounts? Car sales? SHOE STORES EVEN LET YOU BARTER! (I just found this out =)
But most importantly:
c) Ever heard of McDonalds? hmmm, if you have, then you'll notice that a cheeseburger in one location could be drastically cheaper in another McDonalds. Around the world, McDonalds' prices fluctuate BASED ON income levels.. ie, Cost of Living. So I guess we should demand equal burger prices?!?! (imagine: you sit in NY watching an ad for 25cent Burger, you fly to L.A. and have to pay 50cents! fine by me!) hmmph...
Listen people, but I have to point out, YOUR ARE ASSUMING the laws that protect you from something like this, but they don't. And they shouldn't. If and when I open a company, I will sell to you at a price I determine by how dumb a luck you have on your face and there is nothing you can do about it. simple. As long as it cannot be proven that it was Racial, Gender-based, or Religious biased. Even then, you better have some damn good proof... even with all the bleeding hearts around in the courts...
just my 2 cents...well, for some of you, 4...ill make the difference up later...
./Vanguard/rants/r_d_best -eVer
it saddens me to see the majority of the responses to this article being written in haste and without a true understanding of the concepts. Consoles and PC's will MERGE in the near future, and that, my friends, is what Microsoft's plans are about...the big picture. the end result.
a few random points:
All new consoles now come with optional keyboards! hence, the controls issue is null and void.
All new consoles will have Internet or similar connectivity for global gaming.
All new consoles will ship with or allow add-on hard drives for data storage
All new consoles will double as media centers, including multimedia internet browsing, TV on-demand, DVD players, stereo/mp3 compatiblity.
TV's are now digital and High definition TV's have amazing resolutions.
TV's now have input jacks for nearly every type of lead.
---
Now, that last point is what you are failing to see when you respond with "The PC will never die!"
the reason? Well, consoles, TV's, DVD players, stereo's, and PC's are MERGING! This will ultimately lead to each house having installed a broadband media line of some sort. Movies, videos, music, telephone, and network connectivity will eventually MERGE into devices which share all of their individual tasks with one-another.
Will the desktop PC die? well, yes and no. Yes, they will die as we know them today, and no because everyone will still have one to sit at a desk and work on...well, atleast a monitor and a line leading away from it! hehe..
As for Microsoft, well, im certainly no fan, and I can already see XBox Service Pack 3b becoming a possibility...
But you must be honest,
THE DAMN THING *IS* A PC WITH A SUPER GPU and so-so CPU. simple.
The key, like the article said, is to develop a limited hardware differential or zero differences in order to redirect time, energy, and money toward actual game-conent development. I'm all for that! I just cant wait to see Excel 2000 spreadsheets on my 55" HDTV!!! with picture-in-picture Madden 2003 on a taskbar while a business partner sits in an upper left window talking to me live and he thinks im just working... woohoo... i hit Start to unpause my game, and "send" to send off the spreadsheet, and "end" to hang up on his ass!... back to full-screen super-grpahics football over my DSL now!
The loser in all of this is Sega. I'm sorry to see what has been a great machine fall to the wayside so quickly...welp, i have a few good months left with her i guess...But Sony's box WILL be in line with the Xbox as far as competition, so you wont have to worry about a lack of pressure on M$ to produce amazing content.
And one last question. Isnt the PSX2 supposed to allow for an external Hard drive?? The article seems to claim the XBox is the only console with a hard drive at all, when it is simply the only console to SHIP with one.
my 2 cents.
-Vanguard-
"..4th and goal with 2 seconds left...Johnson moves to the line setting up..... wait, what's this, it seems ImaTool74 has called a timeout. It looks like Brad and the Redskins will have to wait a minute while ImaTool74 reboots his Xbox at home and re-picks the last play for Superbowl XXXXVIIII... Dennis, what do you think he'll do in the face of 3l33tONE's pounding defense?..." - Interactive Live Sports brought to you by Microsoft and the wonderful XBox with service pack 15c in conjuction with the MPAA and AOL's AOLTV!...
hmmm....progress? might not be worth it after all...
hmmm, "our own internet" eh?
ok pal, few things:
1. money and see #2
2. see #1
3. still reading? it's an endless loop you ass-clown! it dies when you die!
no, ok, to be serious. There are movements WITHIN the internet community to develop intra-internets if you will. Go read up on FreedomNET, or similar projects and you will see a move toward deregulation and seperation from mainstream linkage.
granted, they will all run on the same backbone shared by all of our corporate friends, but the exchange of information will be through seperate VPN's or tunnels of a sort, and ultimately it will include message traffic as well as software traffic.
internet2 (or 3) will simply be a "one world government" system used for future one-world-government media distribution and secure (read:monitored) information exchanges. And I'm not even a conpiracy theorist... just realistic.
I've stated this before and I will say it again: We MUST discover something (a medium also) faster than light in order to solve congestion. Somebody else said it too: more roads=more traffic. Therefore, we need to find a truly infinite source of bandwidth (ie: infinate road). hmmmm...
now that should keep you busy for a few hundred years.. thinking....
./vanguard
should i stay or should i go?
you are trying to equate 2600 vs. Bugtraq (vs. Newsweek for that matter!) as POLAR OPPOSITES based purely on intent!
That is not the case. They are both VERY similar as a matter of fact. Holes in security and how-to-exploit them is the intention of each! 2600 has always stated very clearly that their information is NOT to be used for any illegal activities, and that they are merely pointing out society's and technology's fatal flaws. The difference you are trying to define is not of intent, it is audience. That is where I come along and shatter that theory by visiting both on a regular basis, as well as several other security depots!
It is the "intent" of the USER of DeCSS which should be questioned, not the source of "the news of its existance"!
Bugtraq has links to tools definately more "destructive" than DeCSS could ever be. I could steal information on National Defense and Security with the tools and scripts linked to on Bugtraq, Pen-Test listserv, or any of the dozens of other mailing lists for security personel. (funny thing is, I DO use bugtraq to break into computers, but it just so happens IM ALLOWED...go figure). Therefore should they be illegal for disclosing this information and allowing the discussion of such information? No, they shouldnt.
I also wish to point out that nearly every member of the security staff of any worthy LEGITIMATE security team I've EVER been a part of, has at one time, if not consistently, reviewed, owned, AND ENJOYED 2600 Quarterly! hmmm, and we protect the nation! look out!
-a very irate Vanguard.
"..Excellent Kaplan, release the hounds and activate the artificial lightning!..."
"And which is worse, having that hole reported to your sysadmin, or having it posted on a website frequented by hackers? Bugtraq is not the same as 2600. Intent is relevant to the law here, and 2600 has a very different intent than Bugtraq."
Ok, i have to inject at this point as you are VERY wrong. Being a very active and careful Security Specialist myself, with a great deal of experience at higher levels, I must say a few things:
1. 2600 IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM BUGTRAQ, as each is open to anyone who wishes to participate in viewing it's material, and that material is written by nearly anyone who wishes to contribute.
2. I GO TO BOTH 2600 AND BUGTRAQ on a daily basis! And the irony here: I HEARD ABOUT DeCSS ON TV, on what I think was 60 minutes! 5 minutes later, I had a copy of it after hearing that a poor super-coder kid was in some sort of trouble for reverse-engineering it. I didnt use 2600 or any link for that matter. It was out there everywhere for the taking. I, like Eric, don't own a DVD player on any box running linux, so my intentions were simple curiosity. BUT IT WAS NOT 2600 THAT STEERED ME TO THE SOFTWARE, IT WAS A MAJOR PRIMETIME NEWS SPECIAL ON TV!
should NBC, ABC, or CBS be held responsible for the distribution they merely "inspired" or "linked" to in their broadcast?
didnt think so.
-vanguard
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
let me share this with you my friend: communism failed for a reason!
"..simply raid their residences"...jesus!!!???
for a virtual link to a virtual space to some digital code??? easy there stalin. take a breather. The US of A is not a place to start calling for residential raids and restrictions of human, let alone civil, rights.
You have missed the implications of this decision. Look at thr possibilities. Perhaps this analogy will help you:
--- If putting a piece of scotch tape over a small hole in a cassette tape allows you to record on that cassette when you run out of blanks became punishable in a court of law, would that be OK?? If you engineered this method of recording on a cassette YOU OWN but was originally only intended to be used to play (in your case old communist propaganda) the commercial music, would you feel as if you have committed a crime?? ---
i didnt think so.
wake up sir, and if you are an American citizen, do us all a favor and MOVE! GO BACK TO NORTH KOREA or wherever you rolled out of.
-Vanguard
ummm, dude.
I feel more dumb for having read your comment, but anyways: It's districts. not 9 trials.
as in, "i have to go down to the ninth circuit court today and file a motion to ban all ignorant people from life on earth."
im chuckling on the inside.
Vanguard
"To his their own, but I'll take mine with KDE and a side or of shells!"
"You want to know why it's 640x480, because it was started 4 years ago when 640x480x16 was really
nice."
wow. i guess i was ahead of my time... I've been using 800x600 and 1024x768 since 95... and most games have used atleast 800x600 since then...
When diamond stealth 3d pro cards rocked!
"I mean, what about quake, gameplay for it hasnt changed since quake 3 and all they did for that was take out the gameplay part."
-huh?
but i agree with part, D2 looks great!
Vanguard
"to each his own, but ill take mine with KDE and an order of shells!"
I get the sense that sci-fi isnt really sci-fi, it's more like time travel. these movies are nothing more than the next millenium's historical fictions... What happens when you get addicted to being "smart"? oh yeah! I know! you switch operating systems! -Vanguard "linux:Braveheart :: Microsoft:Papillion"