I know I've seen several machines totally hosed after clients installed party poker on it. Possibly it's coincidence, but I doubt it.
It's coincidence. I run my poker clients on hardware or VMs dedicated to poker (I'm a mac user). I haven't had any issues like this, having played at (off the top of my head): party & skins, UB, pokerstars, paradise, interpoker & skins, pokerroom & skins, bodog, fulltilt, pacific, gamesgrid, prima & skins, truepoker, playtech-powered sites, tiger gaming, pokerplanet, and a bunch of other puny ones that I can't think of off the top of my head.
There are several good online poker sites with sandboxed java clients
Where by several, you mean two. Pokerroom (and the associated skins... betonbet, hollywood, etc), and Pacific. I can't think of any others off the top of my head, and while the games are good on both of those sites, the software is crap, and Pacific's customer service is atrocious.
Bullshit.
Nope.
1 Million complete hands from one single site and version would take aprox 9 years to gather at 24 hours per day of play. What sites even give you the entire contents of each hand including folds. Um none?
Yes, most of the hands are not played to completion, but that doesn't make them statistically worthless. a million hands is relatively easy to gather. play 4 short-handed tables at a time, you'll be logging about 300 hands per hour. Do that a few hours per day for a few years.
Now find a friend who has been playing every day and swap histories with him. There's your million hands. If I got aggressive with hand history trading, I could probably put together a ten million hand db using *only* people I've actually met in real-life, not just purely online poker geeks.
If you want to be cheezy you can also "data-mine" where you just observe hands. It's possible to do this at 16-tables at a time, and gather between 800 and 1200 hands per hour, depending on what type of game you're watching. I didn't get any of mine through this technique.
Fukin idiot.
Yes, you are.
Calling partypoker spyware is asinine. They check for the presence of bots... some douchebag affiliates have taken to fearmongering (and outright lies) for profit.
They tell you how evil party is, then point to places where they are likely to receive either a cash fee upon your first deposit (usually in the $50-$100 range, for each signup), or to receive a percentage of your rake/tourney fees forever (usually in the 25-30% range).
Lastly, the idea that all gamblers are "chumps" is condescending and asinine.
statistically speaking... about 90% of them are chumps, yes. The other 10% win.
Do you really believe that the operators of these on-line "casinos" are above playing poker against you while they can watch your hands, or when they can tell the computer what to deal next?
Yes. Personally I have about a million hands logged in a postgres database. Any statistical analysis I've ever done regarding: 'how often should this scenario happen, versus how often DID it happen' has shown that it was on the level.
I personally generate thousands of dollars in rake each month, by playing winning poker. They could rip me off one-time for a few grand... or have all that money, every month, for as long as they exist and spread a fair game. There's no reason to kill the golden egg.
Another form of cheating that I know is going on (because I know someone who admits to doing it) is to play multiple hands in the same game against another player and share information about your hands.
Unfortunately, colluders exist. Fortunately, they're relatively easy to detect, and the information isn't "extremely valuable", it's "usually worthless" and generally "statistically insignificant".
Sometimes these douchebags try to trap guys for extra bets, or run squeeze plays on them... though these are extremely exploitable strategies that will only work against the worst players. (and are easily detected by a review of the hands by the casino, should a player file a complaint)
In conclusion: stop talkin about things you don't understand, kiddo. I have no doubt that you lose at online poker, but the problem isn't that you're getting cheated.
bots are not a big deal yet.
Agreed.
I'll be amazed when they ever come up with the technology to play no limit hold 'em. That would be a miracle program.
incorrect. Poki-Poker (as an example) could turn a nice profit playing online NLHE. The idea that poker is more art than math just means that you don't fully understand the math.
Limit ring games are a different ballgame
Not really. Limit is a game where you count on your opponents to make large numbers of small mistakes... in no-limit generally they're making small numbers of large ones. NL is actually the easier to exploit game in general (thus the reason NL has lower variance at the same hourly profit levels)
Any mid to high stakes game has players who will quickly figure out the way a bot plays, and milk it for all it's worth.
Agreed.
. If you're worried about something in online poker, be much more worried about collusion, with multiple people at the same table sharing their hands with each other. But, even that doesn't give a huge advantage against a good player, unless there are upwards of six or seven people in a room sharing information against the rest.
I still report collusion on the very rare occasions that I see it (maybe twice a year, playing every day for a few hours a day), but I don't know why I bother. In holdem the advantage of knowing 2 extra dead cards is extremely slim, and most "trap the weak opponent" strategies are extremely exploitable, and just result in better odds for me.
And if 7 people are colluding together, it's almost a guarantee that they're all losing to the rake. The remaining seats would need to be filled by the absolute worst players on the site for it to even have a shot at being profitable.
Pokerbots, as near as I can tell, are just annoying hype.
Everything can be abused. Off the top of my head I can think of the following serious addictions: fast food drugs and alcohol shopping eating sex porn computers and internet socializing working gambling religion another person (codependancy)
It's a shame that some people become compulsive shoppers, drinkers or gamblers.... but that doesn't make any of the activities wrong or even particularly dangerous.
Everything can be abused. Off the top of my head I can think of the following serious addictions:
fast food
drugs and alcohol
shopping
eating
sex
porn
computers and internet
socializing
working
gambling
religion
another person (codependancy)
It's a shame that some people become compulsive shoppers, drinkers or gamblers.... but that doesn't make any of the activities wrong or even particularly dangerous.
But it takes a certain type of person to truly gamble anyway. This will just speed them to their doom.
Yeah, it takes the kind of person who enjoys gambling a bit.
Oooooh right, I forgot that all gamblers are compulsives without any ability to understand odds, or to live life on a budget. You're so much better than them, since your hobbies include "being a self-righteous idiot".
The funny part about gambling... nobody thinks a thing about a guy who drops $100k on a boat or a car, or the guy who spends $200/wk on golf. But if that guy goes gambling once a week, and loses $10,000/yr, suddenly he's some sort of low-life degenerate, even if he understands what he's doing and is playing within his means.
I'm a gambler, and I despise compulsives, but they're an unfortunate reality, no different than drunks or bible thumpers.
Did you ever seen the people who went to Phish concerts? Spending hundreds of dollars per town, while living out of a van and showering sporadically.. living in poverty just so they could hear some music.
There are a few people who overdo everything. Pretending they're the norm is absurdist.
Or to be more succinct: You're a fucking idiot.
The McDonald's Coffee Case is a popular way to summarize overly litigious behaviour, but it's a horrid example. It only exemplifies an abuse of the system if you use inaccurate case summaries written by laymen.
Seeing as this is slashdot, I'm surprised you can't come up with a more effective example of legal abuse. Perhaps one involving SCO.
Clearly you have no actual systems admin experience. Auto-update is a fantastic way to automatically take down your whole corporate network. Occasionally one of the updates will be incompatible with something, like say... an ethernet driver.
Now if you have that ethernet card in your machine, you're offline. Not a huge problem, but annoying. If you have that ethernet card in every machine in your 2,000 employee company... huge, gigantic, enormous problem.
My main desktop is a G5. It's quiet out of the box.
My new PC is an athlon64 3000+ with a zalman cpu cooler, in an antec sonata case, with seagate barracuda 7200.7 sata hard drives, and antec thermally controlled case fans.
It wasn't an expensive setup (a little over a grand), and it's both fast and quiet. I couldn't reasonably ask for more.
Beating a 0.5/1 table for 5-6BB/100 hands is considered destroying the game. You're claiming that you're beating it for about 40-50BB/100h.
Even if your bot is four-tabling, your alleged winrate is double what can be reasonably expected by an excellent player, simply due to the nature of the game.
It's a cute story, but next time try grounding your MIT tales of evil genius in a little reality.
The domain you are sending as is what matters. So if you send mail from renelicious.com through your ISP, renelicious.com just needs an spf record that looks something like "v=spf1 include:yourisp.net -all"
My mail server is setup so users can waive spf on a per-address basis. That way if their forwarder doesn't have SRS, they can choose to skip out on the benefits.
With my MTA of choice (exim) it's pretty easy to do.
Actually the front page of cnn.com says "Is Ken Jennings' 'Jeopardy!' run over?"
It doesn't say that it is, and on which game.
Whoever modded my original post redudnant can eat a bag of cocks. Of course it was redundant, Michael and the other editors need to have it drilled into their heads that this was an enormous fuckup for those of us who decided to start watching Jeopardy for the streak.
He's saying this in a very confrontational way, but I agree. The only way to affect change is through action.
People who fail to act in any way other than "voting" are just sheep, lining up to get sheared once more.
The problem with this is that spamd is (at a minimum) two-fold.
The first is that spamd is a resource hogging piece of crap. Try to shove 100 messages per second through it, I dare you. Hell, try 10.
The second is that greylisting is broken in lots of interesting and subtle ways. Many legitimate email providers do three retries, but do them from three different servers, in 30 seconds. Your greylist will block those. Many legitimate companies also use unique id's in the mail from line, so the from address never repeats, they never get past the graylist.
People who think stopping spam is easy have never made any serious attempts to stop it for large corporations.
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It's coincidence. I run my poker clients on hardware or VMs dedicated to poker (I'm a mac user). I haven't had any issues like this, having played at (off the top of my head): party & skins, UB, pokerstars, paradise, interpoker & skins, pokerroom & skins, bodog, fulltilt, pacific, gamesgrid, prima & skins, truepoker, playtech-powered sites, tiger gaming, pokerplanet, and a bunch of other puny ones that I can't think of off the top of my head.
There are several good online poker sites with sandboxed java clients
Where by several, you mean two. Pokerroom (and the associated skins... betonbet, hollywood, etc), and Pacific. I can't think of any others off the top of my head, and while the games are good on both of those sites, the software is crap, and Pacific's customer service is atrocious.
Bullshit. Nope. 1 Million complete hands from one single site and version would take aprox 9 years to gather at 24 hours per day of play. What sites even give you the entire contents of each hand including folds. Um none? Yes, most of the hands are not played to completion, but that doesn't make them statistically worthless. a million hands is relatively easy to gather. play 4 short-handed tables at a time, you'll be logging about 300 hands per hour. Do that a few hours per day for a few years. Now find a friend who has been playing every day and swap histories with him. There's your million hands. If I got aggressive with hand history trading, I could probably put together a ten million hand db using *only* people I've actually met in real-life, not just purely online poker geeks. If you want to be cheezy you can also "data-mine" where you just observe hands. It's possible to do this at 16-tables at a time, and gather between 800 and 1200 hands per hour, depending on what type of game you're watching. I didn't get any of mine through this technique. Fukin idiot. Yes, you are.
Calling partypoker spyware is asinine. They check for the presence of bots... some douchebag affiliates have taken to fearmongering (and outright lies) for profit.
They tell you how evil party is, then point to places where they are likely to receive either a cash fee upon your first deposit (usually in the $50-$100 range, for each signup), or to receive a percentage of your rake/tourney fees forever (usually in the 25-30% range).
Lastly, the idea that all gamblers are "chumps" is condescending and asinine.
statistically speaking... about 90% of them are chumps, yes. The other 10% win.
Do you really believe that the operators of these on-line "casinos" are above playing poker against you while they can watch your hands, or when they can tell the computer what to deal next?
Yes. Personally I have about a million hands logged in a postgres database. Any statistical analysis I've ever done regarding: 'how often should this scenario happen, versus how often DID it happen' has shown that it was on the level.
I personally generate thousands of dollars in rake each month, by playing winning poker. They could rip me off one-time for a few grand... or have all that money, every month, for as long as they exist and spread a fair game. There's no reason to kill the golden egg.
Another form of cheating that I know is going on (because I know someone who admits to doing it) is to play multiple hands in the same game against another player and share information about your hands.
Unfortunately, colluders exist. Fortunately, they're relatively easy to detect, and the information isn't "extremely valuable", it's "usually worthless" and generally "statistically insignificant". Sometimes these douchebags try to trap guys for extra bets, or run squeeze plays on them... though these are extremely exploitable strategies that will only work against the worst players. (and are easily detected by a review of the hands by the casino, should a player file a complaint)
In conclusion: stop talkin about things you don't understand, kiddo. I have no doubt that you lose at online poker, but the problem isn't that you're getting cheated.
bots are not a big deal yet. Agreed. I'll be amazed when they ever come up with the technology to play no limit hold 'em. That would be a miracle program. incorrect. Poki-Poker (as an example) could turn a nice profit playing online NLHE. The idea that poker is more art than math just means that you don't fully understand the math. Limit ring games are a different ballgame Not really. Limit is a game where you count on your opponents to make large numbers of small mistakes... in no-limit generally they're making small numbers of large ones. NL is actually the easier to exploit game in general (thus the reason NL has lower variance at the same hourly profit levels) Any mid to high stakes game has players who will quickly figure out the way a bot plays, and milk it for all it's worth. Agreed. . If you're worried about something in online poker, be much more worried about collusion, with multiple people at the same table sharing their hands with each other. But, even that doesn't give a huge advantage against a good player, unless there are upwards of six or seven people in a room sharing information against the rest. I still report collusion on the very rare occasions that I see it (maybe twice a year, playing every day for a few hours a day), but I don't know why I bother. In holdem the advantage of knowing 2 extra dead cards is extremely slim, and most "trap the weak opponent" strategies are extremely exploitable, and just result in better odds for me. And if 7 people are colluding together, it's almost a guarantee that they're all losing to the rake. The remaining seats would need to be filled by the absolute worst players on the site for it to even have a shot at being profitable. Pokerbots, as near as I can tell, are just annoying hype.
Everything can be abused. Off the top of my head I can think of the following serious addictions:
fast food
drugs and alcohol
shopping
eating
sex
porn
computers and internet
socializing
working
gambling
religion
another person (codependancy)
It's a shame that some people become compulsive shoppers, drinkers or gamblers.... but that doesn't make any of the activities wrong or even particularly dangerous.
Everything can be abused. Off the top of my head I can think of the following serious addictions: fast food drugs and alcohol shopping eating sex porn computers and internet socializing working gambling religion another person (codependancy) It's a shame that some people become compulsive shoppers, drinkers or gamblers.... but that doesn't make any of the activities wrong or even particularly dangerous.
But it takes a certain type of person to truly gamble anyway. This will just speed them to their doom.
Yeah, it takes the kind of person who enjoys gambling a bit.
Oooooh right, I forgot that all gamblers are compulsives without any ability to understand odds, or to live life on a budget. You're so much better than them, since your hobbies include "being a self-righteous idiot".
The funny part about gambling... nobody thinks a thing about a guy who drops $100k on a boat or a car, or the guy who spends $200/wk on golf. But if that guy goes gambling once a week, and loses $10,000/yr, suddenly he's some sort of low-life degenerate, even if he understands what he's doing and is playing within his means.
I'm a gambler, and I despise compulsives, but they're an unfortunate reality, no different than drunks or bible thumpers.
Did you ever seen the people who went to Phish concerts? Spending hundreds of dollars per town, while living out of a van and showering sporadically.. living in poverty just so they could hear some music. There are a few people who overdo everything. Pretending they're the norm is absurdist. Or to be more succinct: You're a fucking idiot.
Seeing as this is slashdot, I'm surprised you can't come up with a more effective example of legal abuse. Perhaps one involving SCO.
Clearly you have no actual systems admin experience. Auto-update is a fantastic way to automatically take down your whole corporate network. Occasionally one of the updates will be incompatible with something, like say... an ethernet driver. Now if you have that ethernet card in your machine, you're offline. Not a huge problem, but annoying. If you have that ethernet card in every machine in your 2,000 employee company... huge, gigantic, enormous problem.
My main desktop is a G5. It's quiet out of the box.
My new PC is an athlon64 3000+ with a zalman cpu cooler, in an antec sonata case, with seagate barracuda 7200.7 sata hard drives, and antec thermally controlled case fans.
It wasn't an expensive setup (a little over a grand), and it's both fast and quiet. I couldn't reasonably ask for more.
Beating a 0.5/1 table for 5-6BB/100 hands is considered destroying the game. You're claiming that you're beating it for about 40-50BB/100h.
Even if your bot is four-tabling, your alleged winrate is double what can be reasonably expected by an excellent player, simply due to the nature of the game.
It's a cute story, but next time try grounding your MIT tales of evil genius in a little reality.
The domain you are sending as is what matters. So if you send mail from renelicious.com through your ISP, renelicious.com just needs an spf record that looks something like "v=spf1 include:yourisp.net -all"
Your ISP doesn't need to do anything at all.
My mail server is setup so users can waive spf on a per-address basis. That way if their forwarder doesn't have SRS, they can choose to skip out on the benefits.
With my MTA of choice (exim) it's pretty easy to do.
Actually the front page of cnn.com says "Is Ken Jennings' 'Jeopardy!' run over?"
It doesn't say that it is, and on which game.
Whoever modded my original post redudnant can eat a bag of cocks. Of course it was redundant, Michael and the other editors need to have it drilled into their heads that this was an enormous fuckup for those of us who decided to start watching Jeopardy for the streak.
Seriously, you posted an ENORMOUS spoiler on the fucking front page.
Come on guys, this is bad form. Some of us have been watching each show anxiously waiting to see who can beat him. And now we know when it happens.
Thanks a lot, assholes.
ROFL until I drop a WTF BOMB on U! OMG!
He's saying this in a very confrontational way, but I agree. The only way to affect change is through action. People who fail to act in any way other than "voting" are just sheep, lining up to get sheared once more.
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First visitor to: this url gets an account.
The problem with this is that spamd is (at a minimum) two-fold. The first is that spamd is a resource hogging piece of crap. Try to shove 100 messages per second through it, I dare you. Hell, try 10. The second is that greylisting is broken in lots of interesting and subtle ways. Many legitimate email providers do three retries, but do them from three different servers, in 30 seconds. Your greylist will block those. Many legitimate companies also use unique id's in the mail from line, so the from address never repeats, they never get past the graylist. People who think stopping spam is easy have never made any serious attempts to stop it for large corporations.
And his project suffers because of him. It's a testament to the other volunteers, and to the patience of his users, that any good occurs at all.
But only if the contract is cost-plus. After all, this needs to be fixed, no matter what it takes, right?
$22.99 gets me a pair of bolt cutters. Should I spend another $1,000 on a bike, or just steal one?