I work in downtown Seattle and commute 30 miles, so I know the routine. If you commute during rush hour, yes, it will vary more. If you are at work by 7AM, you are beating the crowd, and your commute will only rarely vary by more than 5-10 minutes. Besides, the poster's work rules do allow occasional tardiness.
My point is that if you bother to plan at all, you might be surprised how easy punctuality can be. Try living in Germany for a while. Almost nobody is EVER late for ANYTHING, because it's considered very rude.
By the way, have you considered biking to work? 7 miles would probably take about a half hour, eliminate the traffic variable, save money, and get you some exercise too.
On the contrary, it is an answer. It's just an answer you don't like.
That's not a troll. I had the exact same reaction. "If you don't like it, leave" is a perfectly valid answer, and I don't understand why it inspired such venom in the grandparent post. If you take a job with the understanding that there are rules that will apply to you, and you decide you don't like those rules, one very valid option is to find another job. Another option is to comply with the rules, and another option is to work toward changing the rules. So what's to get upset about?
"Should 1 minute late really be considered 'late'?"
<Snarky reply> Yes, though other definitions of the word "late" can be submitted to Merriam-Webster for inclusion in their products if you have some new ideas.:-) </Snarky>
OK, by most standards, that policy is pretty harsh. It's probably designed to weed out the primadonnas. But there's an easy solution: just show up 30 minutes early EVERY DAY. 30 minutes is NOTHING. If you can't make a habit of showing up at 7:00, it's because your ego is getting in the way. Many people with big brains have big egos to match, as will probably be demonstrated in the responses below.
Now, there's nothing wrong with having a big ego. All the most interesting people I know have a very high opinion of themselves. Just don't let your ego get in the way of doing what needs to get done, or else you become a primadonna. Clean your toilet when it's dirty, wash dishes when the meal's over, and show up to work on time. Just do it! If you can't, why not? "I shouldn't have to show up at that ridiculous hour of the morning, because (insert irrelevant excuse)" If that's the tone of your answer, try Zen, therapy, or some other means of becoming aware of the extent to which your ego dominates your actions.
Your alternative is to find another job where they are willing to cater to primadonnas. There are lots of jobs out there where they will cater to your ego and let you come in almost whenever you please. But I don't recommend that. Fix the problem instead.
Trend Micro's VirusScan for Linux does a good job for us. While it does send 'warning' messages to sender and recipient by default, these can be disabled. I turned them off the day Klez first reared its ugly head and started the address spoofing trend. I bet this is mostly just a matter of configuration/laziness.
Arker, You obviously either have no understanding of US copyright law, or are a troll. The GPL cannot be 'revoked' for all GPL'd software at once for SCO or any other entity. SCO may say nasty things about the GPL, but that doesn't mean software isn't licensed to them under the GPL. Sometimes I say nasty things about my wife, but that don't mean I'm divorced...
Think of the FSF as a blank contract publisher. Yes, they hold copyrights on some software, but for projects in which they hold no copyrights, they are just a fill-in-the-blank publisher of license forms. It's just like a blank lease form you fill out when you rent an apartment. The company that printed the lease form cannot revoke the lease. It's a contract between you and the landlord, and you and the landlord are the only ones who can break the agreement.
The GPL is the same way. Every software project has different copyright, which restricts copying. The GPL is a contract, between the copyright holder and the user||modifier||distributor, which gives the the right to make copies under certain conditions. So SCO essentially has a separate contract with each copyright holder for GPLd software that SCO distributes.
I agree that they have violated that contract for the Linux kernel, and Linus could easily file an injunction to prevent them from distributing Linux further. But they have not violated their contract with the SAMBA team. The terms of both contracts are the GPL, but they are completely separate agreements. If Linus files an injuction preventing them from distributing Linux, I wonder if they would be prevented from distributing their UnixWare kernel; it is rumored that it contains Linux kernel code in the LKP module.
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Skiba also pointed out that none of the allegedly copied code shown to him was contributed by IBM.
"They said it was from another hardware vendor, but they didn't say who," Skiba told internetnews.com. "I think it's clear that they didn't mean HP... or Sun..."
What gets me steamed is that none of these clueless "analysts" seem to be asking the pertinent question - who originally wrote this copied code? How and when did it get into SysV? Does SCO really have any rights to it? They seem to be claiming that they have rights to ANYTHING that is included in SysV. But that's simply not the case. Look at all the crazy claims they are making about the "enterprise-class" features that IBM wrote for AIX.
But the most scary thing of all is this qoute from this website: "(5) he cannot associate with any person or group that seeks to change the government in any way (be that environmental, social justice, political, economic, etc.),"
How can the courts do that? This guy has rights that cannot under any circumstances be taken away.
Of course they can. Criminal proceedings are all about having your rights taken away. If you cop a plea to a felony, you lose all kinds of rights. For example, free speech, free movement, the right to vote, protection from search and seizure, the right to choose your food, reading material, companions, the right to a virginal arsehole... well, OK, that last one is technically incorrect. But the list goes on and on. If you've committed a felony in the eyes of the law, you have very few rights that can't be taken away by the court. And those rights that can't be taken by the court will probably be taken by your cellmate(s).
This argument gets thrown around a lot but it can only be correct of SCO knowingly injected the code in question into Linux. However, that's not the argument. Even before SCO started selling distributions, the alleged code existed in the codebase. If this is true, than that code is not legitimately GPL'd.
Minor factual error:
Didn't SCO say that only the 2.4 kernel infringed, not the 2.2 kernel? Caldera was contributing to and selling Linux distros well before 2.4 came out... did I misunderstand what you were saying?
I agree that if they did not know their own IP was in the code they were distributing, they retain rights to that IP. But under what license are they distributing the Linux kernel now?
Ever since the moment they asserted the right to limit the use and distribution of their own IP as it is included in the Linux kernel, they lost the right to distribute everyone else's IP that is included in the Linux kernel.
I don't think that necessarily GPLs their code in the kernel (if any actually exists) automatically. But it does mean that they are violating the GPL every time they distribute a copy of Linux. So someone could file an injuction to prevent them from distributing Linux.
Verizon is significantly more expensive than most other US-based providers. It has always been (in my opinion) worth the extra money, so I'm not surprised they were ranked #1.
That's funny, a few posts up a guy was saying that AT&T's coverage kicked Verizon's booty. But he said he still used Verizon 'cause it was less expensive...
I don't know where he was, and I don't know where you are, but here in the Seattle area you can't beat AT&T's coverage.:-)
That said, I suspect many people won't jump through the hoops to get a refund, even if applicable, simply because it's not worth their time. Small claims court isn't time intensive, but even if the entire process only takes 10 hours (including travel time to and from the courthouse, time on the phone with Customer No Service, writing letters, etc.) then you've only recouped $20/hour.
In at least some states, if you can document what your time is worth (pay stub, invoices, etc.) you can include your time as part of the "court costs".
So, now that they've made that statement, are they open to shareholder lawsuits if they don't pursue WINE or SAMBA in court?
Or perhaps they were referring to Microsoft IP they have not put restrictions on, like for instance the CIFS and.Net specs?
>>...we also have some 3Ware cards we could try if the new Promise drivers don't do the trick. >> >
> What are you waiting for! You'll be trying the 3ware cards in a couple weeks almost guaranteed;).
For example, as mentioned, the *maximum* sentence you can receive for one count of copyright infringement is 60 months, while the *minimum* for someone convicted federally of aggravated sexual assault is generally between 70 to 87 months.
So the sentences for copyright infringement aren't WORSE than for rape. In fact, they're a whole 30% shorter!!! That's justice for ya. The rapist will only have the opportunity to ream the copyright infringer's ass for FIVE years out of his seven year sentence...
Ummm, so a large segment of the population would be freed from mindless wage-slave jobs... Everything would be far, far less expensive, from food to housing to education, so they wouldn't need as much income, and they now have time to better themselves and get an education. Everyone will have a higher standard of living...
As many of you know, at the recent O'Reilly Open Source convention, Microsoft provided sack lunches to attendees for free. The Munich article reminds me of one guy's comment: "They should get used to us eating their lunch."
SCOs published claims both from press releases, news reports and their own complaint are about IBM putting "enterprise" technology into Linux: NUMA, JFS, RCU, SMP etc. None of these things apply in the least to embedded systems running out of ROM on a consumer electronic device. Whats up with that?
Lends a little more weight to the Darl-McBride-as-Whore-For-Microsoft theory, doesn't it? They recently paid SCO millions, nobody knows exactly what for. They recently started more aggressively pushing their marketing in the embedded sector.
I'm not generally prone to Microsoft conspiracy theories, but I can't think of any other reason why McBride would be campaigning against Linux in the embedded sector. Maybe he's hoping that he can convince Sony and Hitachi to pay him millions without seeing any real, convincing evidence of his Linux-violating-SCO-IP allegations. Yeah, right.
Why not? There is more hydrogen in a gallon of gasoline than in a gallon of liquid hydrogen. When we have such convenient room-temperature liquids available, who will want to carry around heavy, expensive, leak-prone high-pressure gas tanks?
If they can efficiently reform the gasoline into hydrogen IN THE CAR, we may not need to immediately rebuild our entire energy infrastructure. Then over time as we get better at producing ethanol, for example, from urban or agricultural waste, we can migrate to a more eco-friendly infrastructure. That's where the oil industry will fight, they will push for methane-based systems so fossil fuels can still play a large role, even though "carbon-neutral" ethanol production methods would probably have less impact on the environment, and are undoubtably more sustainable.
Am I the only one who has a difficult time reading RMS' writing without thinking of Laslo Holyfeld from the movie "Real Genius"?
Imagine RMS offering to loan you his pajamas.
Umm, what if I already own the CD that contains the song I'm downloading, because it's faster to download the MP3 over a fast connection than rip it from the CD, at least on my old box.
Maybe that's a stretch of the fair-use principle. Ripping the CDs I paid for, IMHO, definitely falls within fair-use. Downloading a copy of the same song off the net is borderline, since I'm not actually using the media I bought. But it amounts to the same thing. How do they know whether I have paid for the privilege of listening to that music?
They'd be destroying the equipment of their own paying customers.
Microsoft has been shipping Services for Unix since 2000. It recently won the Open Source Product Excellence Award for Best System Integration Software at LinuxWorld.
Dang, they actually developed some quality software? Naaaah. Lessee, ah-hah! I doubt they would have GPL'd anything unless they had no other legal choice...
From Microsoft's Services for Unix web page:
The GPL utility source code for Services for UNIX 3.0 contains the base utilities diff, sdiff, bc, dc, cpio, gzip, gunzip, gawk, patch, csplit, nl, strings, rpm, and SDK utilities/libraries ld.so, gcc, gdb, g++, g77, gasp, objcopy, ld, as, ar, nm, size, strip, ci, co, diff3 rcs, rlog, and ident.
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I work in downtown Seattle and commute 30 miles, so I know the routine. If you commute during rush hour, yes, it will vary more. If you are at work by 7AM, you are beating the crowd, and your commute will only rarely vary by more than 5-10 minutes. Besides, the poster's work rules do allow occasional tardiness.
My point is that if you bother to plan at all, you might be surprised how easy punctuality can be. Try living in Germany for a while. Almost nobody is EVER late for ANYTHING, because it's considered very rude.
By the way, have you considered biking to work? 7 miles would probably take about a half hour, eliminate the traffic variable, save money, and get you some exercise too.
On the contrary, it is an answer. It's just an answer you don't like.
That's not a troll. I had the exact same reaction. "If you don't like it, leave" is a perfectly valid answer, and I don't understand why it inspired such venom in the grandparent post. If you take a job with the understanding that there are rules that will apply to you, and you decide you don't like those rules, one very valid option is to find another job. Another option is to comply with the rules, and another option is to work toward changing the rules. So what's to get upset about?
"Should 1 minute late really be considered 'late'?"
:-)
<Snarky reply>
Yes, though other definitions of the word "late" can be submitted to Merriam-Webster for inclusion in their products if you have some new ideas.
</Snarky>
OK, by most standards, that policy is pretty harsh. It's probably designed to weed out the primadonnas. But there's an easy solution: just show up 30 minutes early EVERY DAY. 30 minutes is NOTHING. If you can't make a habit of showing up at 7:00, it's because your ego is getting in the way. Many people with big brains have big egos to match, as will probably be demonstrated in the responses below.
Now, there's nothing wrong with having a big ego. All the most interesting people I know have a very high opinion of themselves. Just don't let your ego get in the way of doing what needs to get done, or else you become a primadonna. Clean your toilet when it's dirty, wash dishes when the meal's over, and show up to work on time. Just do it! If you can't, why not? "I shouldn't have to show up at that ridiculous hour of the morning, because (insert irrelevant excuse)" If that's the tone of your answer, try Zen, therapy, or some other means of becoming aware of the extent to which your ego dominates your actions.
Your alternative is to find another job where they are willing to cater to primadonnas. There are lots of jobs out there where they will cater to your ego and let you come in almost whenever you please. But I don't recommend that. Fix the problem instead.
Trend Micro's VirusScan for Linux does a good job for us. While it does send 'warning' messages to sender and recipient by default, these can be disabled. I turned them off the day Klez first reared its ugly head and started the address spoofing trend. I bet this is mostly just a matter of configuration/laziness.
Arker,
You obviously either have no understanding of US copyright law, or are a troll. The GPL cannot be 'revoked' for all GPL'd software at once for SCO or any other entity. SCO may say nasty things about the GPL, but that doesn't mean software isn't licensed to them under the GPL. Sometimes I say nasty things about my wife, but that don't mean I'm divorced...
Think of the FSF as a blank contract publisher. Yes, they hold copyrights on some software, but for projects in which they hold no copyrights, they are just a fill-in-the-blank publisher of license forms. It's just like a blank lease form you fill out when you rent an apartment. The company that printed the lease form cannot revoke the lease. It's a contract between you and the landlord, and you and the landlord are the only ones who can break the agreement.
The GPL is the same way. Every software project has different copyright, which restricts copying. The GPL is a contract, between the copyright holder and the user||modifier||distributor, which gives the the right to make copies under certain conditions. So SCO essentially has a separate contract with each copyright holder for GPLd software that SCO distributes.
I agree that they have violated that contract for the Linux kernel, and Linus could easily file an injunction to prevent them from distributing Linux further. But they have not violated their contract with the SAMBA team. The terms of both contracts are the GPL, but they are completely separate agreements. If Linus files an injuction preventing them from distributing Linux, I wonder if they would be prevented from distributing their UnixWare kernel; it is rumored that it contains Linux kernel code in the LKP module.
Open Source Software. Many of us here at Slashdot think writing Open Source Software is a great way to give back to the community. Welcome to Slashdot, friend. Perhaps I can show you around the YRO section, too? Ooo! watch out for the trolls!
Skiba also pointed out that none of the allegedly copied code shown to him was contributed by IBM.
"They said it was from another hardware vendor, but they didn't say who," Skiba told internetnews.com. "I think it's clear that they didn't mean HP... or Sun..."
What gets me steamed is that none of these clueless "analysts" seem to be asking the pertinent question - who originally wrote this copied code? How and when did it get into SysV? Does SCO really have any rights to it? They seem to be claiming that they have rights to ANYTHING that is included in SysV. But that's simply not the case. Look at all the crazy claims they are making about the "enterprise-class" features that IBM wrote for AIX.
But the most scary thing of all is this qoute from this website: "(5) he cannot associate with any person or group that seeks to change the government in any way (be that environmental, social justice, political, economic, etc.),"
How can the courts do that? This guy has rights that cannot under any circumstances be taken away.
Of course they can. Criminal proceedings are all about having your rights taken away. If you cop a plea to a felony, you lose all kinds of rights. For example, free speech, free movement, the right to vote, protection from search and seizure, the right to choose your food, reading material, companions, the right to a virginal arsehole... well, OK, that last one is technically incorrect. But the list goes on and on. If you've committed a felony in the eyes of the law, you have very few rights that can't be taken away by the court. And those rights that can't be taken by the court will probably be taken by your cellmate(s).
This argument gets thrown around a lot but it can only be correct of SCO knowingly injected the code in question into Linux. However, that's not the argument. Even before SCO started selling distributions, the alleged code existed in the codebase. If this is true, than that code is not legitimately GPL'd.
Minor factual error:
Didn't SCO say that only the 2.4 kernel infringed, not the 2.2 kernel? Caldera was contributing to and selling Linux distros well before 2.4 came out... did I misunderstand what you were saying?
I agree that if they did not know their own IP was in the code they were distributing, they retain rights to that IP. But under what license are they distributing the Linux kernel now? Ever since the moment they asserted the right to limit the use and distribution of their own IP as it is included in the Linux kernel, they lost the right to distribute everyone else's IP that is included in the Linux kernel.
I don't think that necessarily GPLs their code in the kernel (if any actually exists) automatically. But it does mean that they are violating the GPL every time they distribute a copy of Linux. So someone could file an injuction to prevent them from distributing Linux.
IANAL, YMMV, EIEIO.
Verizon is significantly more expensive than most other US-based providers. It has always been (in my opinion) worth the extra money, so I'm not surprised they were ranked #1.
:-)
That's funny, a few posts up a guy was saying that AT&T's coverage kicked Verizon's booty. But he said he still used Verizon 'cause it was less expensive...
I don't know where he was, and I don't know where you are, but here in the Seattle area you can't beat AT&T's coverage.
That said, I suspect many people won't jump through the hoops to get a refund, even if applicable, simply because it's not worth their time. Small claims court isn't time intensive, but even if the entire process only takes 10 hours (including travel time to and from the courthouse, time on the phone with Customer No Service, writing letters, etc.) then you've only recouped $20/hour.
In at least some states, if you can document what your time is worth (pay stub, invoices, etc.) you can include your time as part of the "court costs".
So, now that they've made that statement, are they open to shareholder lawsuits if they don't pursue WINE or SAMBA in court? Or perhaps they were referring to Microsoft IP they have not put restrictions on, like for instance the CIFS and .Net specs?
>> ...we also have some 3Ware cards we could try if the new Promise drivers don't do the trick. ;).
>>
>
> What are you waiting for! You'll be trying the 3ware cards in a couple weeks almost guaranteed
Is that a promise?
+1 Brown Nose
It was THE biggest, baddest spoiler possible. You have done the author a disservice; no point in reading the book now.
do you not understand the words "maximum" and "minimum"?
Do you not understand the words "hyperbole" and "humor"?
For example, as mentioned, the *maximum* sentence you can receive for one count of copyright infringement is 60 months, while the *minimum* for someone convicted federally of aggravated sexual assault is generally between 70 to 87 months.
So the sentences for copyright infringement aren't WORSE than for rape. In fact, they're a whole 30% shorter!!! That's justice for ya. The rapist will only have the opportunity to ream the copyright infringer's ass for FIVE years out of his seven year sentence...
Ummm, so a large segment of the population would be freed from mindless wage-slave jobs... Everything would be far, far less expensive, from food to housing to education, so they wouldn't need as much income, and they now have time to better themselves and get an education. Everyone will have a higher standard of living...
What's the problem?
As many of you know, at the recent O'Reilly Open Source convention, Microsoft provided sack lunches to attendees for free. The Munich article reminds me of one guy's comment: "They should get used to us eating their lunch."
I'm not generally prone to Microsoft conspiracy theories, but I can't think of any other reason why McBride would be campaigning against Linux in the embedded sector. Maybe he's hoping that he can convince Sony and Hitachi to pay him millions without seeing any real, convincing evidence of his Linux-violating-SCO-IP allegations. Yeah, right.
Why not? There is more hydrogen in a gallon of gasoline than in a gallon of liquid hydrogen. When we have such convenient room-temperature liquids available, who will want to carry around heavy, expensive, leak-prone high-pressure gas tanks?
If they can efficiently reform the gasoline into hydrogen IN THE CAR, we may not need to immediately rebuild our entire energy infrastructure. Then over time as we get better at producing ethanol, for example, from urban or agricultural waste, we can migrate to a more eco-friendly infrastructure. That's where the oil industry will fight, they will push for methane-based systems so fossil fuels can still play a large role, even though "carbon-neutral" ethanol production methods would probably have less impact on the environment, and are undoubtably more sustainable.
Am I the only one who has a difficult time reading RMS' writing without thinking of Laslo Holyfeld from the movie "Real Genius"? Imagine RMS offering to loan you his pajamas.
Umm, what if I already own the CD that contains the song I'm downloading, because it's faster to download the MP3 over a fast connection than rip it from the CD, at least on my old box.
Maybe that's a stretch of the fair-use principle. Ripping the CDs I paid for, IMHO, definitely falls within fair-use. Downloading a copy of the same song off the net is borderline, since I'm not actually using the media I bought. But it amounts to the same thing. How do they know whether I have paid for the privilege of listening to that music?
They'd be destroying the equipment of their own paying customers.
I think that was EVMS, not LVM. EVMS was a potential IBM replacement for LVM, but was rejected by Linus.
From Microsoft's Services for Unix web page: The GPL utility source code for Services for UNIX 3.0 contains the base utilities diff, sdiff, bc, dc, cpio, gzip, gunzip, gawk, patch, csplit, nl, strings, rpm, and SDK utilities/libraries ld.so, gcc, gdb, g++, g77, gasp, objcopy, ld, as, ar, nm, size, strip, ci, co, diff3 rcs, rlog, and ident.