"Innovation in telecommunications? Pick up the phone, dial a number. This also hasn't changed in a hundred years. "
I don't know about you, but it has been a long time since I've seen a dial on a phone.
It might not be obvious, but even telecommunications has changed a lot in the last 10 years
hmmm.... -5 if you count the girlfriends/ex-wife.... -27 if you count them and the one night stands (or weekend/week long shagfests)... which leads me to a question.... WTF am I doing here on Slashdot!?
Why, then, can so few of you understand that stealing information is as harmful as stealing materials?
I agree with everything you said.... except this....
try this; you have two different acts:
1 - Beating someone until they are nearly dead.
2 - Killing someone
Those crimes are, quite obviously, very similar. As to which one is more harmful, you could argue either way; ie. the psychological damage of being beaten to a pulp vs. being dead. Both are wrong, both are similar in nature, they are not the same and attempting to treat them as such would be dangerous. Could you imagine a law that treated beating someone to a pulp with the same heavy-handedness as killing someone (don't mistake my argument as being in favour of reducing penalties for murder; it's not)
The science of economics fails if a replicator is introduced (which is essentially the device described).
That was.... ..
an absolutely phenomenal post... why the hell'd you do it AC?
The point that you made is 100% valid, and anyone can see after reading it that the creation of such a machine would necessitate a fundamental switch in the laws of the world wrt IP.... the problem is, this is EXACTLY the situation we have when dealing with anything in cyberspace. Computers are that mystical replicator machine that I mentioned earlier. Solving the legal hurdles that such a machine would create would require a fundamental paradigm shift (as far as lawmakers and law enforcers are concerned)... and this is unfortunately a shift that people are unwilling to make when confronted with that EXACT same situation only in cyberspace.
And what about the car's designers/engineers? Aren't they hurt?
yes they are.... or, would be
Or do you make the same arguments about them as you do recording artists?
designeers and engineers can freelance more easily (in that they don't need a recording studio in order to design their product) and aren't being employed by an organiztion like the RIAA, ie. AFAIK they are well compensated for their work
That they should not be so greedy and should just design safe and elegant cars for the 'love of the art' and not financial gain?
No... I was just trying to illustrate the difference between theft and copyright infringement and why you CANNOTsteal IP.
Do you also support software piracy?
my point was more geared towards software piracy and music copying than anything else... really... whether I support it or not is besides the point. I'm just stating that copyright infringement is not the same as theft and therefore cannot be treated as such(insofar as the legal system is concerned)
Should all developers be OSS developers?
god no!! It would be nice... but people (like myself) need $$$ and need to get paid for at least some of our efforts
you have NOT stolen a good-god-damned-thing... so... what crime have you committed?
Patent infringement?
I thought it was copyright infringement? I wasn't trying to claim that you wouldn't have committed a crime by doing what I said... just that you haven't actually stolen anything
...out of the way right away. Before anyone starts bitching and complaining about the whole "copying music/software is stealing" and then the enlightened come back with "no it's copyright infringement" and then we get into the whole car analogy.... etc.... I'll start off with the "NEW AND IMPROVED CAR ANALOGY"(TM)... as far as I can tell it's the closest damned thing to a valid analogy as I can get to (and still maintain the simplistic view that talking about cars empowers one to employ):
Suppose you somehow manage to build a true-blue 3D copying machine. You feed the damned thing with various scrap materials that you own/paid for and take it to your favorite car manufacturer and use it to scan a car.... note that this scan does not in ANY way have any effects (adverse or otherwise) on said car. A short time later, however, you are the proud owner of (insert car name here)... now, and idiot can see that you have NOT stolen a good-god-damned-thing... so besides breaking and entering (maybe... if you needed to do so in order to scan the car) what crime have you committed? Automobile manufacturers are just lucky that no such technology exists, otherwise their business models would be in just as much jeopardy.
The web counter says 60664 hits... blah....
How high can it go?
Am I the only person who quite honestly does not care? and how the hell is this guy getting on CNN HN, when I'm willing to bet that this probably never even made it on the fscking ticker tape.
An interesting tidbit of UFI; yes.... News for nerds. Stuff that matters;..... . not so much
....... . what about: if you can't beat 'em; join 'em ?? I'm a hardcore slackware kind of guy and spent my last two years of university (honours comp. sci.) without ever touching a windows box, but I'd go work for them, in a heartbeat.....
He might as well b0rk ep3 real quick and get it over with.
Who fucking cares... Ep II was his last fucking chance to win me back... I won't be going to see EP III.... I won't rent it, and put a dress on me and call me susan but I won't even download the fucking.divx.... When I heard that he was doing the first three of the series I never pictured that a few years later I'd be saying this:(
The last I was taught on the subject (and believe me, it was a while ago) was that gravity was a force, but didn't have mass.
gravity is a force... the speed that is being talked about is this:
if a large object were to suddenly materialize 1 light hour away from you, how long would it take before you felt the effects of it's gravitational 'pull'.... the answer is 1 hour... or.95 of an hour if previous posts are correct... I dunno... I didn't RTFA... in any event, that's the "speed of gravity"
... one of those times where I'd like to be a teacher. As I teacher I would get my students to write a paper on the 'evils' of fascism contrasted against the 'glory' of democracy, and ensure that they had to do research on the net, and at the library.... then write the local congresscritter letting them know that the library does not allow for students to learn this... what kind of society do we want? one where children cannot even learn to appreciate their democratic nation etc... etc... Since I'm certain that sites detailing fascist regimes would be blocked, as would most pro democracy sites... unless they were able to avoid slamming or even mentioning anything anti-democratic....
not that I really give a shit, mind you.... but it'd be kinda funny to read about on the news;)
uh... cuz then it would be FLO/s.... and floss doesn't seem like that cool of a metric... although, saying that something flops and having it be a good thing (TM-$200 royalties paid) must've been quite a stretch at first...... ..either that or comp engers are (something I've long believed) fully and 100% on crack-cocaine.....
were we ever wrong when we predicted that they'd take a loss to ensure that they dominated the market.... I mean... if we were any more wrong we'd be uh....... . . ...... er.... right on the..... money..... ??
.... is probably the BEST way of doing this, that way you can have all of your books in one place, and your CDs in one place, and all of your medical supplies (for when you try to lift the 500lb box of books and the 500lb box of CDs) all in one place...
Perhaps the near future of storage technology lies, for now, not in nanotech or holography, but still in magnetic recording."
.... or perhaps they're just using the ol' smoke an mirrors trick to try and increase their stock price..... . . . . is it just me or does nobody fucking trust big industry anymore???
and not to mention that the "640k" quote often attributed to bill g is an urband legend
yeah... sure it is.... if I had ever said something so monumentally stupid there's no way in hell that I would admit to it... you honestly think that captain doublespeak himself is any different???
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"Innovation in telecommunications? Pick up the phone, dial a number. This also hasn't changed in a hundred years. "
I don't know about you, but it has been a long time since I've seen a dial on a phone. It might not be obvious, but even telecommunications has changed a lot in the last 10 years
here... I think you need to read this
hmmm.... -5 if you count the girlfriends/ex-wife .... -27 if you count them and the one night stands (or weekend/week long shagfests) ... which leads me to a question.... WTF am I doing here on Slashdot!?
I agree with everything you said.... except this....
try this; you have two different acts:
1 - Beating someone until they are nearly dead.
2 - Killing someone
Those crimes are, quite obviously, very similar. As to which one is more harmful, you could argue either way; ie. the psychological damage of being beaten to a pulp vs. being dead. Both are wrong, both are similar in nature, they are not the same and attempting to treat them as such would be dangerous. Could you imagine a law that treated beating someone to a pulp with the same heavy-handedness as killing someone (don't mistake my argument as being in favour of reducing penalties for murder; it's not)
this was the ONLY point I was trying to make
The science of economics fails if a replicator is introduced (which is essentially the device described).
That was.. .. . .
an absolutely phenomenal post... why the hell'd you do it AC?
The point that you made is 100% valid, and anyone can see after reading it that the creation of such a machine would necessitate a fundamental switch in the laws of the world wrt IP.... the problem is, this is EXACTLY the situation we have when dealing with anything in cyberspace. Computers are that mystical replicator machine that I mentioned earlier. Solving the legal hurdles that such a machine would create would require a fundamental paradigm shift (as far as lawmakers and law enforcers are concerned)... and this is unfortunately a shift that people are unwilling to make when confronted with that EXACT same situation only in cyberspace.
And what about the car's designers/engineers? Aren't they hurt?
yes they are.... or, would be
Or do you make the same arguments about them as you do recording artists?
designeers and engineers can freelance more easily (in that they don't need a recording studio in order to design their product) and aren't being employed by an organiztion like the RIAA, ie. AFAIK they are well compensated for their work
That they should not be so greedy and should just design safe and elegant cars for the 'love of the art' and not financial gain?
No... I was just trying to illustrate the difference between theft and copyright infringement and why you CANNOT steal IP.
Do you also support software piracy?
my point was more geared towards software piracy and music copying than anything else... really... whether I support it or not is besides the point. I'm just stating that copyright infringement is not the same as theft and therefore cannot be treated as such(insofar as the legal system is concerned)
Should all developers be OSS developers?
god no!! It would be nice... but people (like myself) need $$$ and need to get paid for at least some of our efforts
you have NOT stolen a good-god-damned-thing... so... what crime have you committed? Patent infringement?
I thought it was copyright infringement? I wasn't trying to claim that you wouldn't have committed a crime by doing what I said... just that you haven't actually stolen anything
...out of the way right away. Before anyone starts bitching and complaining about the whole "copying music/software is stealing" and then the enlightened come back with "no it's copyright infringement" and then we get into the whole car analogy.... etc.... I'll start off with the "NEW AND IMPROVED CAR ANALOGY"(TM) ... as far as I can tell it's the closest damned thing to a valid analogy as I can get to (and still maintain the simplistic view that talking about cars empowers one to employ):
... now, and idiot can see that you have NOT stolen a good-god-damned-thing... so besides breaking and entering (maybe... if you needed to do so in order to scan the car) what crime have you committed? Automobile manufacturers are just lucky that no such technology exists, otherwise their business models would be in just as much jeopardy.
Suppose you somehow manage to build a true-blue 3D copying machine. You feed the damned thing with various scrap materials that you own/paid for and take it to your favorite car manufacturer and use it to scan a car.... note that this scan does not in ANY way have any effects (adverse or otherwise) on said car. A short time later, however, you are the proud owner of (insert car name here)
I always use admin@[currentdomain]
or my favorite:
root@127.0.0.1
The web counter says 60664 hits ... blah....
.. ... . not so much
How high can it go?
Am I the only person who quite honestly does not care? and how the hell is this guy getting on CNN HN, when I'm willing to bet that this probably never even made it on the fscking ticker tape.
An interesting tidbit of UFI; yes.... News for nerds. Stuff that matters;
just my $0.02
so is voip going to turn into something like the email spam mess once the peddlers of Mydixaflopin and their cronies start figuring out how to use it?
My-dix-a-flopin
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! I wish I had mod points... keyriced... now I gotta find something to clean the coca-cola off my monitor...
I'm more of a fan of the this myself
so get a polar bear diamond... sheesh...
..... .. . what about: if you can't beat 'em; join 'em ?? I'm a hardcore slackware kind of guy and spent my last two years of university (honours comp. sci.) without ever touching a windows box, but I'd go work for them, in a heartbeat.....
He might as well b0rk ep3 real quick and get it over with.
Who fucking cares... Ep II was his last fucking chance to win me back... I won't be going to see EP III .... I won't rent it, and put a dress on me and call me susan but I won't even download the fucking .divx .... When I heard that he was doing the first three of the series I never pictured that a few years later I'd be saying this :(
The last I was taught on the subject (and believe me, it was a while ago) was that gravity was a force, but didn't have mass.
gravity is a force... the speed that is being talked about is this:
.... the answer is 1 hour... or .95 of an hour if previous posts are correct... I dunno... I didn't RTFA... in any event, that's the "speed of gravity"
if a large object were to suddenly materialize 1 light hour away from you, how long would it take before you felt the effects of it's gravitational 'pull'
fantastic... probably the best idea I've ever heard... . ..say... where do you work? :)
... it's as good as the gun registration database!!!!!
... one of those times where I'd like to be a teacher. As I teacher I would get my students to write a paper on the 'evils' of fascism contrasted against the 'glory' of democracy, and ensure that they had to do research on the net, and at the library.... then write the local congresscritter letting them know that the library does not allow for students to learn this... what kind of society do we want? one where children cannot even learn to appreciate their democratic nation etc... etc... Since I'm certain that sites detailing fascist regimes would be blocked, as would most pro democracy sites... unless they were able to avoid slamming or even mentioning anything anti-democratic....
not that I really give a shit, mind you.... but it'd be kinda funny to read about on the news ;)
Why don't they write it: FLOP/s?
uh... cuz then it would be FLO/s .... and floss doesn't seem like that cool of a metric... although, saying that something flops and having it be a good thing (TM-$200 royalties paid) must've been quite a stretch at first.... .. . .either that or comp engers are (something I've long believed) fully and 100% on crack-cocaine.... .
meteors can cause reception of weak, distant radio stations
The leonids are going to help me pick up CBC!?!?! :)
were we ever wrong when we predicted that they'd take a loss to ensure that they dominated the market.... I mean... if we were any more wrong we'd be uh..... .. . .
...... er.... right on the..... money ... .. ??
.... is probably the BEST way of doing this, that way you can have all of your books in one place, and your CDs in one place, and all of your medical supplies (for when you try to lift the 500lb box of books and the 500lb box of CDs) all in one place...
.... which most people eat too much of anyway... "power yo wearables and lose weight!!!"... I think it'd sell just fine don't you? ;)
.... or perhaps they're just using the ol' smoke an mirrors trick to try and increase their stock price..... . . . . is it just me or does nobody fucking trust big industry anymore???
yeah... sure it is.... if I had ever said something so monumentally stupid there's no way in hell that I would admit to it... you honestly think that captain doublespeak himself is any different???