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Fifteen Years of Technology Reporting

jeffdsimpson writes "PC World NZ is 15 years old this month and they've written a story looking back at some of the statements made in the magazine over the years. Some gems include 'The past 10 years have seen a dramatic increase in clock rates, from just under 5MHz for the original IBM PC to 33MHz for the latest 386 systems. This more than six-fold increase will not be repeated' from July 1989 and 'The Internet Connection Company of New Zealand (ICONZ) offers full internet access and charges $50 a megabyte for email, and $10 a megabyte for all other information sent or received' from April 1994"

182 comments

  1. nice by mpost4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it is nice when a company can take a pop shot at its self. You have to respect the magazine for showing some of those comments.

    1. Re:nice by cofaboy · · Score: 1

      but they got this bit dead right September 1995 Are you ready for Windows 95? "Windows 3 it's not. Windows 95 is brimming with new features, from a redesigned interface to long file names. Click the Start button to launch applications ... " ... according to Microsoft, Windows 95 will run on a 386 with 4MB of RAM. Our verdict: don't try this at home."

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    2. Re:nice by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      erm, it's "pot shots." thank you!

      or, if you really mean pop shots, i'd love to know what that means, so that i may spread the message.

      do not take this as just another OCD spelling spazz. i'm not pissed, just trying to be helpful. thank you, come again.

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    3. Re:nice by jayhawk88 · · Score: 1

      Nice, but hardly Nostradamus territory there. Microsoft has been low-balling minimum requirements since DOS 4.0, I don't think anyone ever really considered a 386 to be acceptable for Win95.

    4. Re:nice by rf0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Recently a mag in the UK they showed a modded PC fully kitted our in neons, cooling kits, see through side panel etc saying prehaps it was the fastest PC they tested. The next month they had to admit that prehaps it would be better if the picture they printed actually had a cpu on the mb

      Rus

    5. Re:nice by RCO · · Score: 1

      Errrmmmm, I've done it...
      But it was just to prove that it could be done, I swear!

      I once was a masochist, but that was before I started an IT career.

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    6. Re:nice by lickalotapus · · Score: 1

      No, you don't want to know what it means, trust me.

    7. Re:nice by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      Did you mean "pot shot"?

    8. Re:nice by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Sorry to reply here, but the discussion we where having here:

      http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=113251&c id =9594082

      doesn't allow comments to be posted anymore.

      Anyway, in answer to the question you asked right at the end, the answer is of course yes. It's called CNC (computer numeric control) and basically you program the millhead's (or lathe, or rapid prototyping unit's) movements, insert the material and there you go: tolerances up to and including ten thousanths of a centimeter, every time (or at least as long as the toolhead remains pristine).

      And yes, sometimes you really need that kind of accuracy.

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    9. Re:nice by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      Point taken, and it is a good one.

      I guess I'm from the cruder side of engineering where a carefully calibrated whack with a hammer to fix things is often good enough in the field (although if you wander around my website you'll see some interesting, complicated stuff).

      I've always wondered if "piping design" is similar to motherboard circuit design. With the former there are multiple fluids/pressures/temperatures to contend with. PCB design would seem to be relatively simple, but what do I know?

      After all, how hard can it actually be to fuss around with electri ==BBZORT!!==

  2. it's getting very close to a slashdotting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    (what is it with humor stories? everyone jumps on them)
    PC World at 15
    It was 5475 days ago today, or thereabouts, that your favourite computer magazine first hit newsstands. PC World lifer Chris Keall looks back on the laughter, the tears and the $24,000 386.

    Chris Keall
    Monday, 28 June, 2004

    Since it first appeared as a standalone magazine in 1989 (having done time in the trenches as a Computerworld supplement), PC World has chronicled the highs, the lows and the sometimes keyboard-pounding agony that is the personal computer industry. As you follow me on our highlights tour of articles past (in our own - cringe - unedited words), you'll find three themes emerge:

    1. Star Trek references intrude with troubling frequency.
    2. People always underestimate how quickly hardware will evolve.
    3. People are constantly thumping said keyboards as promised usability breakthroughs never quite happen. Software developers just about get a handle on one trend and ... then we're off to the next. We're living in beta, babies. Enjoy the ride.

    June 1989
    PS/2 luggable gains positive reception
    "The PS/2 Model P70 is a high-functionality, 20MHz 386 portable ($16,425) that weighs in at 9kg (the lightest notebooks today are 1.2kg - CK). PC professionals are saying the VGA monitor and the 4MB of memory (expandable to 8MB), make it a powerful luggable."

    July 1989
    IBM's 486 steals show
    "The past 10 years have seen a dramatic increase in clock rates, from just under 5MHz for the original IBM PC to 33MHz for the latest 386 systems. This more than six-fold increase will not be repeated."

    Dec 1989/Jan 1990
    Easy DOS it
    "Processing speeds are now fast enough to satisfy all but the most exacting user."

    PC World Awards
    Best desktop PC: Apple Macintosh IIcx
    Best laptop: Compaq SLT/286
    Best word processor: WordPerfect 5 for DOS

    March 1990
    WordPerfect 5.1
    "With 11 5.25-inch floppy discs, installation may seem daunting, but there are many new features, with added commands including {FOR} and {WHILE} loops."

    May 1990
    Could 1990 be the year of the LAN?
    "The philosophical dividing line between the eras of standalone and networked PCs will be drawn in 1990. ... Despite the power of Microsoft's OS/2 LAN Manager, it's still a NetWare world. Novell's 1989 introduction of its NetWare 386 network operating system more or less guaranteed that much of the world will stick with Netware."

    Word processors: Nine packages point for point
    "Of these products, three - Samna Ami Professional, NBI Legend and Microsoft Word for Windows - exploit the new graphical tools provided for Windows-compatible products. The remaining six - IBM DisplayWrite, Lotus Manuscript, Microsoft Word for DOS, Aston-Tate's Multimate, WordPerfect for DOS and WordStar - offer various levels of text-based word processing."

    June 1990
    Has OS/2 version 2.1 got the right stuff?
    "When Microsoft and IBM jointly announced OS/2 almost three years ago, many thought it would become the predominant operating system. That obviously hasn't happened yet ... last year, DOS accounted for 70% of operating system units sold worldwide."

    July 1990
    Return to the clone zone
    "In this issue's comparison of 33MHz 386 machines, we look at five well-known international brands with prices ranging from $17,000 to $24,000. But when we researched local assemblers like PC Direct, TL Systems and Ultra, we found equivalent machines for less than half that. Companies such as ALR, Compaq and HP will find it difficult to justify these differences in the face of cut-price clone competition."

    August 1990
    At last, a true rival to DOS?
    "Windows 3 is more than an update. In many respects it's an entirely new environment ... To really take advantage of Windows, you'll want either a fast 286 or a 386 machine, preferably with at least 2MB of RAM. Enhanced mode allows you to run multiple DOS applications

    1. Re:it's getting very close to a slashdotting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      it's getting very close to a slashdotting

      By "it", I take it that you mean New Zealand?

    2. Re:it's getting very close to a slashdotting by D-Cypell · · Score: 1

      Star Trek references intrude with troubling frequency.

      This was a typo, it should have read...

      Star Trek references intrude with tribbling frequency.

  3. Please mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure how long that NZ pipe will hold up to this lot ;)

  4. That's a lot of money by akeyes · · Score: 1

    full internet access and charges $50 a megabyte for email, and $10 a megabyte for all other information sent or received

    I would be paying a fortune for my connection

    1. Re:That's a lot of money by betelgeuse-4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If email was still charged at $50 (32USD ATM) per megabyte the spam problem might be sorted very quickly (or it would never have happened in the first place).

    2. Re:That's a lot of money by samsmithnz · · Score: 1

      Except that way back then you only had smaller harddisks, no images in emails (or browsers for that matter), and there was no spam. Even my University didn't have email.

    3. Re:That's a lot of money by zoefff · · Score: 1

      To show the negative side as well:
      Neither would have Linux

      (Who didn't download a distribution here?)

    4. Re:That's a lot of money by CavemanKiwi · · Score: 1

      And in NZ they still pay 2 much for internet access.

    5. Re:That's a lot of money by Tyranny12 · · Score: 1

      No, I think spam would still have happened. But it would have killed off public email. Email would be purely an internal business thing - away from the space (and money) hogging spam.

    6. Re:That's a lot of money by Yorrike · · Score: 0, Troll
      Honestly. Is it too much to ask for you to type "too" rather than 2?

      The only reason you could be excused for writing 2, is if you're writing a text message with a mobile phone that lacks predictive text messaging. You're not doing that. Get a clue.

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    7. Re:That's a lot of money by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      What kind of solution is that? Should we make plane tickets cost $250,000 a seat to stop terrorism?

    8. Re:That's a lot of money by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      With email prices that high, it would still have been more expensive than snail mail, meaning that a lot fewer people would have used it. Those that did use it would be either tech-savvy people, or those with problems that require fast exchange of electronic information - not exactly a good market for spam.

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    9. Re:That's a lot of money by CavemanKiwi · · Score: 1

      yeah it is that is why I didn't.Get a clue

    10. Re:That's a lot of money by vasqzr · · Score: 1


      This is with 2400/9600 bps internet connections, TEXT browsers/email, and simple web pages

    11. Re:That's a lot of money by ViolentGreen · · Score: 1

      I don't think it was meant as a solution but more of an observatino.

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    12. Re:That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the elusive observatino. Is it a particle, is it a wave, will we ever know?

    13. Re:That's a lot of money by jrumney · · Score: 2, Informative

      The $50 was only for international traffic, traffic within NZ was charged at significantly lower rates (or not at all). The Universities got their traffic significantly cheaper, so what would usually happen was that Linux (and other useful free software) would get mirrored on one of the University ftp servers and everyone else would download from there. Binary newsgroups were also useful for more than just warez and porn in those days. The other tricks we used to use were to PASV FTP something onto the University web servers from overseas (without using our own bandwidth) then email the admin and ask them to put it the pub directory so you could download it, and to use FTP via email gateways (which usually took several days to get the file to you in chunks) to take advantage of the price differential. There's nothing like a financial incentive to make you learn how to use the old internet protocols to their fullest.

    14. Re:That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of solution is that? Should we make plane tickets cost $250,000 a seat to stop terrorism?

      Maybe that wouldn't sound so ridiculous if more than 50% of passengers were terrorists...

    15. Re:That's a lot of money by jrumney · · Score: 1
      and to use FTP via email gateways (which usually took several days to get the file to you in chunks) to take advantage of the price differential.

      I'm misremembering, and misreading the grandparent's quote from the article. I'm not sure that we were ever charged a different price for email and other traffic (our internet connection predated commericial ISP's like ICONZ, so we were getting billed $4/Mb for our international traffic directly from Waikato University). The FTP by email thing was from before we got our 9600bps leased line and were downloading Usenet and email every night over UUCP.

    16. Re:That's a lot of money by Tyranny12 · · Score: 1

      True enough. I was thinking of it from the storage standpoint - NSZ$50 for 1MB of email storage. I didn't apply the $50 to sending mail until after I commented.

      Eh, oops.

    17. Re:That's a lot of money by GoldMace · · Score: 1

      But in New Zealand they have to pay by the letter.

  5. Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insert 640K joke

  6. Why?! by Dausha · · Score: 1, Insightful

    From the article

    Windows 3 is more than an update. In many respects it's an entirely new environment ... To really take advantage of Windows, you'll want either a fast 286 or a 386 machine, preferably with at least 2MB of RAM. Enhanced mode allows you to run multiple DOS applications.

    So, why can't Microsoft duplicate this feat with Win2k3? I'd like to see them fit it into a 2 MB footprint, or 20 MB.

    Reminds me that I stepped into the x86 world in July of '93. I bought an AST 486/25 SX with one meg. on-board and a 180 Mb HHD (compressed). What we have today was hard for me to imagine then.

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    1. Re:Why?! by sporty · · Score: 2, Informative
      The same reason the NT boot discs (to boot strap the cd boot process) was 3 floppies. Drivers drivers drivers.


      Also, let's not forget a modern monitor supports 1024x768 x 32bit colour easily. Keeping your wallpaper in memory costs at least 2 megs of ram. No I didn't calculate that. I think it comes to ~3 megs. Windows has more support + services to support the support than you can shake a stick at.


      I'ms ure if you went with a fine tooth combe though, you can get it to work on lower end machines.

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    2. Re:Why?! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact that Windows 3 didn't support protected memory or pre-emptive multitasking, two features most people consider to be required for a modern operating system.

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    3. Re:Why?! by British · · Score: 1

      I think my first experience seeing a monitor with 1024x768 was in 1990. A guy i knew had a Tandy 286 clone that could display Cshow GIFs in 1024x768, but I think with only 16 colors. Ahead of its time, IMO.

    4. Re:Why?! by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      UNIX workstations had higher resolutions than 1024x768 years before that. The PC wasn't the originator of greater than 640x480 resolutions.

    5. Re:Why?! by Dausha · · Score: 1

      What in the parent made this a troll?!

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  7. I realize why I don't read PC world by poptones · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There was an article in BYTE back in the mid 80s that pretty much nailed where we would be at in ten years. it was a little conservative in memory and hard drive specs, but not nearly so off base as the article here.

    Why do people read these things, anyways? PC World is nothing but a catalog of buzzwords and hype. Always was.

    1. Re:I realize why I don't read PC world by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      Why do people read these things, anyways? PC World is nothing but a catalog of buzzwords and hype. Always was.

      Interesting - I've only read a few PC Worlds (I'm UK-based so my magazine consumption tends towards the UK and US) but it struck me as relatively practical, and mercifully buzz-word free. Was I just lucky with those issues?

      (Off-topic: any other NZ/Australian/Asia-Pacific magazines anyone would recommend?)

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    2. Re:I realize why I don't read PC world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You read these magazines for their predictions?

    3. Re:I realize why I don't read PC world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well,
      Just an Idea, but AFAIK tech reporting has always been off base hype and khilter used to sell adspace to the next-big-thing(tm). That's oddly why "Review Sites" do so well. Print media can attempt to hold a candle to the blazeing arc of the net, but realistcally very few mag's get any attention out of me, Especially anything published by ZiffDavis, oh how I miss the original C-net in all it's glory. Real articles written by real enginners, not IT pro's with scocial sciences degrees. But alas, where has all the good reporting gone?

      640K meh! Only a market for 4 to 6 computers? the one constant in life is human stupidity, or our inability to be accurate.

      That why I like Toffler.

    4. Re:I realize why I don't read PC world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They read it because they can understand it. It tells them things they want to know like a Radeon 9600SE is slower than a Radeon 9600, or which digital camera or printer to buy.

      I've got an issue of byte magazine from 1989 somewhere. It is hardcore. I mean hardcore. Advanced CPU design mechcanics hardcore. Even the average Slashdotter would have their eyes glaze over trying to understand what they used to write in NZ BYTE magazine.

      Meanwhile, NZ PC World magazine was printing glossy, friendly introduction books on how to get into computing, and about interesting new children's software.

      So while PC World may be a scandalous rag, BYTE was above everyone. PCWNZ had 30x the number of readers the last time I heard.

    5. Re:I realize why I don't read PC world by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

      IIRC "International Developer" (available in the UK) is a rebadged version of "Australian Developer" (available in NZ).

  8. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, becasue we are south of the equator, actually I'm about as far south as San Francisco is north of the equator, similar climates also fairly warm in summer and not too cold in winter.

  9. The folly of prediction by w.p.richardson · · Score: 0

    It just goes to show, no one can predict anything with any sort of accuracy. Those who rely on such predictions for action, caveat emptor!

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    1. Re:The folly of prediction by 10537 · · Score: 0

      I still stand by my prdiction that CDs will never catch on. :) http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2okbn1%24hp2% 40sefl.satelnet.org&output=gplain

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    2. Re:The folly of prediction by dragonp12 · · Score: 1

      *points to Moore's Law He seems to have done a pretty good job of it!

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    3. Re:The folly of prediction by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      Better to go into everything blindly? How does that make any sense? Just because some predictions (maybe even most) are wrong doesn't mean that we should try to predict anything.

      Here's an example:

      Apple predicts it is going to sell X iPods so they start manufacturing expecting to meet that demand (or in Apple's case it often seems to fall just short of that demand to create false demand but that is another story). When the iPods become wildly popular they sell far more than X. While the prediction was wrong it hopefully was based on some consumer study, focus groups, etc. and was better than just producing a random amount.

    4. Re:The folly of prediction by Jim_Hawkins · · Score: 1

      ...so...are you going to stand by your prediction?

      [grins]

  10. The more things change by foidulus · · Score: 2, Funny

    the more they stay the same. I think their nerd quotient is still as applicible today as it was 12 years ago:
    How can I tell if I am a nerd?
    "Subtract the number of girlfriends/boyfriends/wives/husbands you've had from the number of computers you have owned. If the number is positive, you are a nerd."

    Damn, I'm at +5....

    1. Re:The more things change by Morphine007 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      hmmm.... -5 if you count the girlfriends/ex-wife .... -27 if you count them and the one night stands (or weekend/week long shagfests) ... which leads me to a question.... WTF am I doing here on Slashdot!?

    2. Re:The more things change by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 3, Funny

      WTF am I doing here on Slashdot!?

      Making things up in an attempt to make other /.ers jealous?

    3. Re:The more things change by ch3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      So you only had 5 boxes? How lame ;)

    4. Re:The more things change by RevAaron · · Score: 1
      So, are they saying that S.O.s should be disposable in the way computers are? I suppose that's what normal people do- after all, 50% of all new marriages end if divorce. Sure, I've only dated two women in earnest, but fortunately the second one was a keeper beyond all expectations. And we're still together 7 years later. Not that long of a time in general, but being only 23 now and having already spent a third of my life with her...

      Any way, I must be behind the times. And no, I'm not some Focus on the Family freak or anything. eh eh eh. Perhaps I should aquire some new S.O.s on the side. If I don't ... My nerd number is something sick like

      (16 PDAs + 2 laptops + 9 desktops) - 2 = +25


      Hrmm.

      But then again, 12 years ago, I couldn't say I've owned as many computers as I have when I look back from now. When I was 11, I had one computer (Tandy PC-3 handheld BASIC biatch) and no girlfriend. :)
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    5. Re:The more things change by Pope · · Score: 1

      Ha! :)

      I've only had 6 computers so far, and I started with a VIC-20 back in 1982 or 1983.

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    6. Re:The more things change by the_mad_poster · · Score: 2, Funny

      WTF am I doing here on Slashdot!?

      Having hallucinations, apparently.

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    7. Re:The more things change by Evil+MarNuke · · Score: 1

      Damn, I'm 26.

      (5 laptops - 2 PDA's - 6 servers - 18 desktops) - (Four Girlfriends + One wife) = 26

      I once had 20 machines in my basement at one time. I current have 12, 8 on the network.

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    8. Re:The more things change by jarich · · Score: 1

      What if you have more PCs running ~right now~ than you've had girl friends/wives???

    9. Re:The more things change by Jareeedo · · Score: 1

      Oh wait..this is number of computer in your lifetime?? Uh-oh..I was only counting computers that I have currently running, and I'm at +5. Man...stick a fork in me.

    10. Re:The more things change by okmnji · · Score: 1
      Hmmm, somewhere around +25. But I'm not a nerd. Just because I think Susan (my main computer) is sexier than any of those stupid airhead girls that (I hope) want my sex.

      It's not wrong that I would rather have Susan, with Doom3, UT2004, the occasional pr0n... than be with a Real Girl (tm)...








      ... is it?

    11. Re:The more things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you're counting the girlfriends/boyfriends/wives/husbands, I guess they only count if they know you exist, right?

    12. Re:The more things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Week long shagfests? They exist?!

    13. Re:The more things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on the number of boyfriends/husbands you have had!

    14. Re:The more things change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, thats a long time.

  11. Try Popular Science or Popular Mechanics by ianscot · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think both those magazines still regularly throw in a page with articles from 1, 5, 10, or however many years ago.

    No news source is ever going to own up to its really spectacular gaffes, though. I'm going off to our family cabin this weekend. There are lots of old Popular Sciences there -- I think my grandfather's -- from the early 1950s. Sample article, paraphrased:

    How We'll Reach the Moon!
    1. Develop nuclear missiles to shoot at the moon. This will help us work on guidance systems. We need nuclear explosions to know when we hit it.
    2. ...

    (And yeah, that's a real example.)

    Popular Mechanics from back in the day has a lot of do-it-yourself projects that would kill anyone who tried them. Example: Make a "backpack" for your car from plywood, clip it on with a couple of cheap latches, and let your kids travel cross country back there. That one stuck in my mind, but there are many others.

    The ones they'll admit to in articles like this are like the Popular Mechanics article from the cabin about bizarre new cars from Europe: Front Wheel Drive? Seatbelts that go across your shoulder? They'll never catch on, because surveys done by Ford show Americans want bigger and bigger vehicles.

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    1. Re:Try Popular Science or Popular Mechanics by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      (And yeah, that's a real example.)

      Here's my favorite example. I have five, soon to be six kids. I need this now!

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    2. Re:Try Popular Science or Popular Mechanics by superflippy · · Score: 1

      This is why I love reading old science fiction short stories from the 40's-60's. Some of the ideas about how things will be done in the future are risible nowadays (one of my favorites is people travelling in spaceships reading microfilm, I see that a lot) and some are amazingly spot-on, like one I read about a future where the consumer culture results in a future where poor people are fat and live in homes cluttered with crap they're compelled to buy, and rich people are thin and live simple lives (can't remember the title or author).

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    3. Re:Try Popular Science or Popular Mechanics by fdragon · · Score: 1

      Wasn't this the TV Show "Max Headroom"?

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    4. Re:Try Popular Science or Popular Mechanics by radish · · Score: 1

      surveys done by Ford show Americans want bigger and bigger vehicles.


      Well I guess at least Ford got it right...

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  12. New Zealand Dollars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $10 NZ dollars a megabyte .. wow that's pretty cheap.

  13. What currency are they using? by The-Bus · · Score: 1

    I'm hoping all the $'s are NZD's (New Zealand Dollars). One NZD is roughly 0.6 USD by the way.

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    1. Re:What currency are they using? by Brian+Boitano · · Score: 1

      Back in 1989, we only had the New Zealand Peso.

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    2. Re:What currency are they using? by rossdee · · Score: 1

      New Zealand has been using the NZ dollar AKA Kiwi $ since 10th July 1967. The currency had a fixed rate (detirmined by the govt) against the US$ until around 1984. In the earky 90's it was around 50c US.

  14. Looking back, sometimes is scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fifteen Years of Technology Reporting

    In general, And still no expose on price fixing and monopoly abuse, still no coverage of fundamental research in both software and hardware, just the same copy and paste press release stories. No undercover journalism, no coverage of the spamming and malware writing "bad" parts of PC town. Still the same meaningless benchmarks and megahurts ads for articles. No coverage of the scary moves by the once garage operation and now mega coorporations. No credit where credit is due for real inovation, no mention of the real inventors of "the next cool thing", just of the latest guy to market a clone years later.

    Overall I really hope that the dead tree coverage is better elseware in this world. Beside the likes of el`reg and vulture HQ only C`t seems to have some grip with what is going on. At slashdot we often joke about the dumbed down (or plain dumb) coverage by "normal" news sources (cnn/nyt), but the dedicated dead tree rags basicly have no journalism/real news whatsoever.

    Sure its more complicated then this, but when looking back, do you see improvement over the years?

    1. Re:Looking back, sometimes is scary by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      i don't think things will ever improve all that much in print IT media.

      what's the point of publishing an in-depth magazine when the information therein will be common knowledge long before you even go to press?

  15. Crazy speeds by caluml · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I mean, if those processor trends continued, we'd be seeing crazy processing speeds now - 300, 400 Mhz. RAM and hard drives, just wouldn't be able to keep up.

    1. Re:Crazy speeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was that suppouse to be humorous? baka

  16. $10 a megabyte by pubjames · · Score: 2, Interesting


    If you have a satellite internet connection (which you might need in places where the telephone service is very poor, in parts of Africa for instance) then you will pay around $10 a megabyte today if you pay as you go.

    I have a friend who pays this much, so I always keep my emails to him short, and don't attach a sig.

    1. Re:$10 a megabyte by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1
      What's his e-mail? I'd love to send him a little message.

      Lib_of_Congr_backup_07-22-2004.zip

    2. Re:$10 a megabyte by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      "short" email

      ------------------------
      Hey [insertname],
      Just a short note to say hi!
      Heres the file you wanted.
      James.
      Attached: Redhat_dvd.iso
      ------------------------

      I know your being thoughtful and kind to your friend, but an extra page of text isn't going to break his piggy bank, and it will help with his signal/spam ratio.

      --
      liqbase :: faster than paper
    3. Re:$10 a megabyte by superflippy · · Score: 1

      I have a friend who pays this much, so I always keep my emails to him short, and don't attach a sig.

      This reminds me of an incident back in '95 or so when a friend of mine sent out one of those chain emails, "Can you guess what 80s song these lyrics are from?" to a group of about 10 of us. The email got replied to and attached to and sent to the whole group several times as people tried to answer the quiz.

      Finally, one guy sent an email to the group asking everyone to please remove his email address from future replies. At the government facility where he worked, people didn't have their own computers so all email received was printed out on a communal dot-matrix printer. People were getting angry with him as page after page of the 80s song lyric quiz printed out at dot-matrix speed, tying up the queue.

      --
      Your fantasies contain the seeds of important concepts.
  17. Interesting! by OS24Ever · · Score: 1, Redundant
    March 2001
    Classic Dumb Terminal
    "It's ridiculous claiming that video games influence children. For instance, if Pac-man affected kids born in the 80s, we should by how have a bunch of teenagers who run around in darkened rooms and eat pills while listening to monotonous electronic music."

    Isn't that a rave?
    --

    As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.

    1. Re:Interesting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that a rave?

      Congratulations, Captain Obvious, you got the joke!

      Eh, what did I really expect from an OS/2 fanatic...

    2. Re:Interesting! by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      yes, and you have NO IDEA how many times that line pops up on raver forums and such.

      some people attribute it to a nintendo power editor

    3. Re:Interesting! by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 1

      oh... is that joke still funny here, on the moon we have progressed far beyond your level of "pac-man" jokes

      WE ARE FUNNY! SPACE INVADERS JOKES OWN YOU BITCHES! HA!

      settle down err.....

      [adult swim]

      --
      May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage. RAmen.
    4. Re:Interesting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that the point?

      -Tofu

    5. Re:Interesting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comedian: I finally got around to reading the dictionary...turns out the Zebra did it (crowd laughs)
      Homer: I don't get it
      Lisa: Dad, the Zebra didn't do it, its just a word at the end of the dictionary
      Homer: I still don't get it.
      Lisa: It's just a joke
      Homer: Oooh! I get it! I get jokes.. ahahahahahahaha

    6. Re:Interesting! by OS24Ever · · Score: 1

      Ah, bummer, here I thought I was being original. I guess that is what I get for staying at home all the time with the family.

      --

      As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.

    7. Re:Interesting! by robotbrain · · Score: 1

      LOL, aaaawesome. Thanks for reminding me about the Mooninites especially in this context. :)

  18. How many Apple is dying stories? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm keeping track, got a long running bet I intend to win, and it's been looking really good lately.

    This was written on a Dual 2 Ghz G5 and 23" Cinema, in between watching a DVD movie, TV in a window, iTunes jamming and Halo in a window and half dozen other apps going at once.

    Oh yea I forgot about the 3D fish swimming as my desktop behind it all.

  19. And so it begins... by discord5 · · Score: 1
    July 1997
    The empire strikes back: IE 4.0
    "Internet Explorer 4 promises a change that Netscape may be unable to match: it lets you integrate the browser directly into the operating system. A copy of IE 4 will be included in every copy of Memphis (Windows 98), the Windows 95 successor due in early next year."

    Ah, that brings back memories... A solid move from MS to kill off it's competition. I haven't thought about windows without a browser for a couple of years now, and from the looks of things now, I'll never have to think of it again.

    April 1999
    Internet Explorer 5
    "Microsoft leapfrogs Netscape with a faster, smarter Internet Explorer."

    And to think I never used that one, and sticked to Nutscrape for such a long time before switching to opera and then firefox.

    July 2000
    It's official: Microsoft must split
    "On June 8, US federal judge Thomas P Jackson ordered the break-up of the software giant Microsoft. One company will keep the Windows operating system, while a second will handle software apps such as Office and IE. Microsoft now has four months to submit a plan for 'divestiture', as the break-up is being called. Despite this 'final' decree, Microsoft has filed an application for appeal ..."

    I wonder whatever happened? :)

  20. Currently owned and networked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have 4 systems networked currently. But if I subtract 1 wife, 2 children and 1 pet, I feel that I break even. :-O

  21. Re:Dear God why does /. suck so hard? by isopossu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's probably the most important cultural change in today's technology.

    Formerly you studied and learned your knowledge once in your lifetime. In school and college, that is. After that you lived on and used the knowledge.

    Everyday life was rapid and the knowledge stayed. Now it is vice versa. You probably can't tell if you had a brunette girlfriend year or three ago, or in which year you found your nowadays favorite band.

    The computer world changes entirely in a few years. You'd never mistake a 2002 PC for a 1996 PC. The technological or professional time runs a lot faster than a private time, probably the first time in the human history.

  22. Obligatory statement: by StarfishOne · · Score: 1


    "..from just under 5MHz for the original IBM PC to 33MHz for the latest 386 systems. "

    Just imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

    1. Re:Obligatory statement: by sindarin2001 · · Score: 1

      I had a beowulf cluster of these...don't get your hopes up :)

  23. Platform diversity by mccalli · · Score: 2, Insightful
    15 years ago. 1989. One thing this article can't pick up on due to it being a PC magazine is the amount of platform diversity there was then.

    In 1989 I had an ST I think. The Amigas were going strong, and the C64 was hanging on in there by its fingertips. The magazine awards best PC to a Mac IIcx. In the UK at least, there were things such as the Amstrad PCW range - CPM-based (I believe) green screen business machines that did well for themselves as straight wordprocessing devices.

    Then slowly it all died away, until now we're basically on a PC-only world on the desktop, even if a few flickers of OS competition are stirring. Only the Mac remains outside the fold, and I say this as an OS X user. Even so, just two hardware platforms for personal computing is hardly the same as the plethora of makes available in the 80s.

    Ah well. Fun while it lasted. Time to dig out the Spectrum vs C64 vs Beeb flamewars of the school playground...

    Cheerss,
    Ian

    1. Re:Platform diversity by david.given · · Score: 1
      In 1989 I had an ST I think. The Amigas were going strong, and the C64 was hanging on in there by its fingertips. The magazine awards best PC to a Mac IIcx. In the UK at least, there were things such as the Amstrad PCW range - CPM-based (I believe) green screen business machines that did well for themselves as straight wordprocessing devices.

      PCWs are still hanging on, occasionally. Z80-based, usually 256 or 512kB of memory, 720kB floppies (3.5" for the recent models, 3" for the older ones). Suprisingly large monochrome screen; roughly 90x30 8x8 characters, IIRC. They worked because they were word processing appliances; take it out of the box, plug it in, and it Just Works. They came with Locoscript, a word processor that was its own operating system and came on a bootable floppy.

      They also came with CP/M so that you could run other software and were pretty well respected as cheap CP/M machines. Locomotive Basic and Dr. Logo were supplied on the utilities disk. You could get all kinds of upgrades for them, including hard disks!

      Pretty nice machines; didn't do much, but what they did they did reasonably well.

      (I wrote a bunch of games and half a novel on one. Then I discovered that it's a really good idea to make sure that the right disk is in the drive when you reformat it... and at the same time I learned why it's important to make backups. Hmm. Excuse me, I must go and make a backup.)

    2. Re:Platform diversity by Viceice · · Score: 1

      This MUST be the first ever dupe comment to ever get modden up on SlashDot.

      Whats next? Duplicate rant about dupe comments?

      --
      Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
    3. Re:Platform diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What next? Duplicate rant about dupe comments?

    4. Re:Platform diversity by mccalli · · Score: 1
      This MUST be the first ever dupe comment to ever get modden up on SlashDot.

      I know. And then the one I post in its own thread, after explictly making sure the other one was marked as "Please Ignore", gets marked redundant.

      Strange be the ways of the moderation system...

      Cheers,
      Ian

    5. Re:Platform diversity by Old+Wolf · · Score: 1

      Ah well. Fun while it lasted. Time to dig out the Spectrum vs C64 vs Beeb flamewars of the school playground...

      The flamewars of the few square metres of school playground beside the library doors, you mean :)

  24. What does this teach us about the future? by mt-biker · · Score: 2, Informative

    CERN has a commitee by the name of PASTA which tracks computer technology, making predictions of future growth.

    I remember reading the first such report in 1996, and finding predictions of 500GB disks in PCs for the year 2006 somewhat inconceivable. There were similar results for CPUs and memory.

    I just had a quick look on the CERN website and found their latest report (2002). There's a lot of information in there, much of it quite technical, and I'm in a rush so let me leave the interested to read it, and I'll just make a few points:

    - The predictions they've been making for the last 8 years have turned out to be much too conservative in some fields.
    - KCHF and MCHF stand for kilo-swiss-francs (803 USD) and mega-swiss-francs (803,000 USD). Yes, the people there really think in these numbers. They're scientists. :)
    - LHC is the next generation of CERN experiments, due to go online now in (I believe) 2007. As far as data aquisition goes: "A peak rate of 1000 MBytes/s is required, and capacity for 5000 TB per year. This is a rather minimal requirement in terms of drives. In practice, support for ~2.5 GBytes/s might be needed at LHC startup"

  25. Interesting tidbit... by gillbates · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    Self-aware computers
    Even after 60 years of development, computers are still basically machines that can only crunch an endless stream of ones and zeros. Although several research projects are focusing on imbuing computers with reasoning and decision-making cognition - one has been under way for 20 years - that remains a holy grail for computer science. [emphasis mine]

    I've long dismissed computers ever being self-aware. As I've heard before, "The subject of whether or not a computer can think is about as interesting as whether or not a submarine can swim". Computers weren't designed to think; they were designed to follow instructions. Hence, their supposed intelligence is necessarily limited to the intelligence of their programmers.

    AI is indeed interesting when it comes to machine "learning" and adaptive problem solving, but things such as self-awareness and good judgement are far beyond the realm of computers. It isn't a problem of processing power or finding the perfect algorithm, but rather of the substance of self-awareness. Self-awareness is a property that the soul impinges on the mind, not an inherent property of neurons. The pursuit of self-aware machines could be compared to building an ever more complicated car and wondering why we still need drivers. The barrier isn't a matter of complexity or understanding per se, but rather the fact that good judgement and self-awareness are the result of a spiritual, rather than mechanical or chemical, process. You won't ever find these traits in an entirely mechanical process.

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    1. Re:Interesting tidbit... by Laur · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The barrier isn't a matter of complexity or understanding per se, but rather the fact that good judgement and self-awareness are the result of a spiritual, rather than mechanical or chemical, process. You won't ever find these traits in an entirely mechanical process.

      And you have scientific evidence for this right? You wouldn't be spouting off your own personal opinions as fact now would you?

      --
      When you lose something irreplaceable, you don't mourn for the thing you lost, you mourn for yourself. - Harpo Marx
    2. Re:Interesting tidbit... by LordK2002 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You forgot the magic words:

      I believe...

      Your beliefs in a soul or spiritual component to human existence are only beliefs. They are not scientific fact and should not be presented as such.

      K

    3. Re:Interesting tidbit... by Have+Blue · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are an entirely mechanical process. So am I. Computers are simply not yet fast or capacious enough to mimic us, and some fundamental breakthroughs in our knowledge of a mind's operation apparently remain to be made, but one day there will be a thinking "machine". It's inevitable.

    4. Re:Interesting tidbit... by mblase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Computers weren't designed to think; they were designed to follow instructions.

      That was then, this is now. Today humans constantly ask computers to do the thinking for them. My car has dashboard lights that tell me if my engine needs servicing or my oil need replacing; gone are the myriad dials that I would have to interpret myself. Stoplights are connected to sensors and to each other in order to optimize rush-hour traffic flow.

      And that's just at the consumer level. Power plants and grids rely on systems designed not only to regulate power, but shut it down if necessary. PC software does "intelligent" background searches to locate information related to whatever I'm typing or reading. Most of the systems in a large airplane are automated because it would be impossible for a human to react quickly enough to maintain them.

      The real problem with intelligent computers is that computers are still designed to live in a world of absolutes, truth and falsehood, and people never do. We don't learn about the world from logic, but instead we create logic to analyze the world. Human (and animal) brains learn by identifying patterns, and then observing when those patterns are broken. Computers are built around patterns and then, when those break, so do the computers.

      Self-awareness is a property that the soul impinges on the mind, not an inherent property of neurons.

      This is a metaphysical question, entirely unprovable, and one that real researchers try to avoid.

    5. Re:Interesting tidbit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In one word: bollocks!

    6. Re:Interesting tidbit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was then, this is now

      AFAICT, the computers we are using now are still based off of the computers from then. Therefore the computers are still made to follow instructions!

      Yes we can give it instructions to make it "seem intelligent" - i.e. in a car teach it how to tell when you need an oil change. However the car can't teach itself a newer or better way to go about doing that, or how to learn something new. COmputers are still doing what we tell them to do, and only what we tell them to do. In order for computers to have "self-consciousness" or anything like that we need an entirely new architecture of how computers work that allows for self-consciousness. I think that quantum computing will bring this, because todays computers can only do things in 0s and 1s - black and white. Nothing in between. Well, we all know that real life isn't always black and white - but with quantum computing, and the case of 0s, 1s and intermediate values, computers will be able to understand the meaning of "gray area" without us having to explain it all the time.

    7. Re:Interesting tidbit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your beliefs in a soul or spiritual component to human existence are only beliefs. They are not scientific fact and should not be presented as such.

      Your comment seems to presuppose that 'scientific fact' is the only path to understanding. That's just greco-centric regurgitation. Science is simply the most common and most recent fad in belief-systems (3000 years, granted, is a long fad). If understanding is truly the goal here, then there are several avenues to pursue it.

      Consider religion for a moment. Your priest 'understands' a hell of a lot more about the afterlife than modern science can describe. Nothing about science's lack of an ability to perceive an afterlife can be said to 'disprove' such understanding, except to the 'scientific faithful', if you will. Science is just another faith, a belief-system which often contradicts other systems (as well as itself).

      I'm not at all a religious person but it makes a good example. I've found more wisdom in the Tarot, or astrology, or zen meditiation, than I have from any scientific text. I'm not bashing science; it has its uses, obviously. But it's not the only 'truth' out there.

    8. Re:Interesting tidbit... by Mant · · Score: 1

      Computers weren't designed to think; they were designed to follow instructions.

      It seems to me, if you are trying to design a genuine AI, possibly from the ground up, that argument is meaningless. Sure, previous computers were not designed to think, but this one is.

      Self-awareness is a property that the soul impinges on the mind, not an inherent property of neurons.

      I'm curious how this works. I mean, if we go back far enough, our distant ancestors were not self aware. So I guess they had no souls, right? Was there a generation of proto-humans that suddenly had souls and self-awareness when their parents did not?

      I've seen experiements designed to prove chimps are self aware. If you accept their results, does that mean chimps have souls? Do they go to heaven if they have been a good chimp?

      The biggest problem with self-aware computers is that we can't even agree what it means, or how we would test it in a computer (the chimp experiment involved a chimp brain damagaed in a certain way). It may be the problem of designing a self-aware AI is too hard for the human brain, although we may be able to 'evolve' one.

      It's a slippery thing, although at least we think we know it when we see it. Unlike, say, a soul, of which there is no evidence at all.

    9. Re:Interesting tidbit... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      that good judgement and self-awareness are the result of a spiritual, rather than mechanical or chemical, process

      As said elsewhere, that (and pretty much everything else in your post) is your belief, not a scientific statement.

      You obviously believe it though. Now, if your belief is mistaken, this suggests a conspiracy. Specifically, your neurons have something to hide and are trying to cover it up by making "you" believe this. I suggest retaliation- specifically, kill those pesky neurons by blowing your brains out.

      If you were right after all- cool! You still have your soul.

      If you were wrong then... that'll teach those evil neurons not to collude in giving you false beliefs again.

      Neurons; you can't trust 'em at all.

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    10. Re:Interesting tidbit... by gillbates · · Score: 1

      biggest problem with self-aware computers is that we can't even agree what it means...

      Step 1 of software engineering: Define the problem....

      So, it would seem that the barrier to AI is one of human understanding, not of computational ability? If so, we'll never be able to make a computer smarter than us. The fantasies of a computerized future in which computers possess better judgement and intellect than a human is just that - a fantasy. In short, mankind cannot create what it can't understand.

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    11. Re:Interesting tidbit... by Old+Wolf · · Score: 1

      In your opinion. There's plenty of people who disagree (perhaps even, more who disagree than agree).

    12. Re:Interesting tidbit... by gillbates · · Score: 1
      recent fad in belief-systems (3000 years, granted, is a long fad).

      And let's not forget that for about 2600 years of this fad, the most respected thinkers believed the Earth to be the center of the Universe.

      They weren't off by much, were they?

      Anyone who looks for absolute truth from science is going to be sadly disappointed. Science explains observations; it does not, nor can it, determine what is truth. Science only ponders what is already accepted as true - it does not determine it. The determination of truth belongs to the realm of theologians and philosophers.

      If I wanted to know the distance to the moon, I'd ask a scientist. But I wouldn't be so naive to dismiss notions of the spiritual simply because modern science hadn't "proven" them to exist; after all, very few (if any) consider metaphysical questions. Most recognize the limits of the scientific method preclude useful study of such things.

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    13. Re:Interesting tidbit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we all know that real life isn't always black and white - but with quantum computing, and the case of 0s, 1s and intermediate values, computers will be able to understand the meaning of "gray area" without us having to explain it all the time.

      I am not entirely into quantum mechanics, but I thought these quantum values aren't about intermediate values. That would be an analog computer. Quantum computing is about being zero and one at the same time, computing the outcome for all possible input values at the same time.

    14. Re:Interesting tidbit... by papaZen · · Score: 1

      Self-Aware computers are possible but not through the single minded application of processor power that you think engenders intelligence.

      Personally I am quite sure I know HOW to do this. I have neither the time or money to pursue it. The key to understanding the self-aware property of the brain is to understand that you are NOT just a brain, and that the distinction between brain and body is inherently an error.

      Moreover, a computer AI without a set of relationships to the external world identical to those that a human possesses will almost certainly be judged insane by human standards, should it achieve self-awareness

      We are our memories, but our memories are of our interactions with the environment around us. Without those, we would have the same self-awareness as the machines we presently build

      respectfully BJ
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      -beware the man of one book
  26. Win 95 on 386. by nukeindia.com · · Score: 1

    " ... according to Microsoft, Windows 95 will run on a 386 with 4MB of RAM. Our verdict: don't try this at home."

    I remember installing it on my home computer, a 386 sx (no math co) 25MHz, 20MB Harddisk and 4 MB RAM. Yes I had to install diskdouble and set default free space reporting to 3x to bypass pre-installation HD space checking by the installer.

    1. Re:Win 95 on 386. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I installed Windows 95 on a 386 with 40 MB hard disk and 2 MB of RAM. I believe that was a configuration Microsoft considered, then rejected because it would be too slow to provide a reasonable user experience.

      What can I say, though? I used it as a demo machine at a science fair, and for the little apps I wrote it was faster than Windows 3.1.

  27. Ignore parent - wrong thread. by mccalli · · Score: 1
    Hmm. How the hell my other post ended up as a reply to the grandparent I don't know. Sorry - will post again outside of this thread.

    My only defence is that Slashdot was acting strangely - 503 errors all the time, taking years to respond.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  28. I see the same thing in arts coverage by ianscot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    just the same copy and paste press release stories

    (I cut and pasted that text, incidentally.)

    Back when I worked at a major modern art museum, we had the two large local papers essentially parroting back our press releases about new shows as "reviews." These were big time journalists covering areas in which their subjective opinions were an accepted, encouraged part of their columns. They showed less intellectual curiosity than most fifth graders I know, at least in print. It was mostly about playing it safe and cashing the checks, from what I could tell, though they all liked what they were writing about and could be very interested and opinionated in person.

    I have lots of contact with music reviewers, too. They don't have canned press releases to work from, so they've resorted to their own convention-laced boilerplate reviews. (Period instruments? I will include a tossoff remark about how the orchestra was less squeaky than has been the case in the past.) Pretty often they don't even cut and paste correctly -- the performers' names are often wrong in the review.

    And those are in artistic areas -- where you're supposed to have an opinion and inject it into your writing, and where taking risks would theoretically be less damaging.

    Also -- more general point -- why do people even write "prediction" stories? They're totally lame even for sports, where you can almost immediately figure out whether you got it right. If I was a news editor, I'd forbid anyone from writing prediction stories. (Maybe that'd change the completely idiotic, inane, asinine, expectations-spinning political coverage we see. Horse race polls before an election aren't informing anyone of anything, they're just attempts to tell me what I supposedly think already. That's utter crap.)

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    "Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
  29. Hate to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dammit, I paid $2400US for my 486/25 MB in 1992 and i'll be dammed if i'm going to upgrade until it's completely depreciated off the books!

    1. Re:Hate to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here! Actually, my $3000 486-20Mhz is still up and running...

  30. Platform diversity by mccalli · · Score: 1

    15 years ago. 1989. One thing this article can't pick up on due to it being a PC magazine is the amount of platform diversity there was then. In 1989 I had an ST I think. The Amigas were going strong, and the C64 was hanging on in there by its fingertips. The magazine awards best PC to a Mac IIcx. In the UK at least, there were things such as the Amstrad PCW range - CPM-based (I believe) green screen business machines that did well for themselves as straight wordprocessing devices. Then slowly it all died away, until now we're basically on a PC-only world on the desktop, even if a few flickers of OS competition are stirring. Only the Mac remains outside the fold, and I say this as an OS X user. Even so, just two hardware platforms for personal computing is hardly the same as the plethora of makes available in the 80s. Ah well. Fun while it lasted. Time to dig out the Spectrum vs C64 vs Beeb flamewars of the school playground... Cheers, Ian

  31. Re:Platform diversity - with linebreaks this time by mccalli · · Score: 1, Redundant
    15 years ago. 1989. One thing this article can't pick up on due to it being a PC magazine is the amount of platform diversity there was then.

    In 1989 I had an ST I think. The Amigas were going strong, and the C64 was hanging on in there by its fingertips. The magazine awards best PC to a Mac IIcx. In the UK at least, there were things such as the Amstrad PCW range - CPM-based (I believe) green screen business machines that did well for themselves as straight wordprocessing devices.

    Then slowly it all died away, until now we're basically on a PC-only world on the desktop, even if a few flickers of OS competition are stirring. Only the Mac remains outside the fold, and I say this as an OS X user. Even so, just two hardware platforms for personal computing is hardly the same as the plethora of makes available in the 80s.

    Ah well. Fun while it lasted. Time to dig out the Spectrum vs C64 vs Beeb flamewars of the school playground...

    Cheers,
    Ian

  32. As long as there... by Kjella · · Score: 1

    ...is competition, I don't care about there being more than one platform. IBM vs. clones, Intel vs. AMD, nVidia vs. ATI etc. etc. work out fine. The only dark side has been the OS, where there's been nothing between Windows vs. OS/2 (then) and Windows vs. Linux (now).

    Kjella

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  33. X-Rated Picture by barryfandango · · Score: 3, Funny

    "A telephone connection can transport you from one bulletin board to another [...] We were able to download an X-rated picture, no questions asked."

    WHAT'S THE NUMBER PLEASE POST

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    1. Re:X-Rated Picture by mblase · · Score: 1

      GOATSE.CX -- and don't forget the period.

    2. Re:X-Rated Picture by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 1

      ME TOO!!!1

      (anti-lameness, blah blah blah)

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  34. Aaahh... the good old days. by FoboldFKY · · Score: 1

    Just goes to proove:

    • If you think you know what's going on, you don't (CPU speed won't keep increasing at this rate)
    • If you laugh at it, it'll happen (IE? Pfft. It'll never replace Netscape)

    Just when you think you know what's going on, reality throws you a curve moose.

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  35. There were more platforms back then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    15 years ago. 1989. One thing this article can't pick up on due to it being a PC magazine is the amount of platform diversity there was then.

    In 1989 I had an ST I think. The Amigas were going strong, and the C64 was hanging on in there by its fingertips. The magazine awards best PC to a Mac IIcx. In the UK at least, there were things such as the Amstrad PCW range - CPM-based (I believe) green screen business machines that did well for themselves as straight wordprocessing devices.

    Then slowly it all died away, until now we're basically on a PC-only world on the desktop, even if a few flickers of OS competition are stirring. Only the Mac remains outside the fold, and I say this as an OS X user. Even so, just two hardware platforms for personal computing is hardly the same as the plethora of makes available in the 80s.

    Ah well. Fun while it lasted. Time to dig out the Spectrum vs C64 vs Beeb flamewars of the school playground...

    Cheers,
    Ian

  36. for those who havent bothered to RTFA by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    this one's a pisser:

    "Yes, Compaq is first to our shores with a Pentium-based PC - the $8750 ex GST 5/60M. The '5' is to remind a few of us that this is actually a 586 even if Intel insists we all speak Latin."

    bakakakakakakakaaaaaaaaaaaa

    1. Re:for those who havent bothered to RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Latin?

      Greek, surely.
      Oh, for the demise of classical education.

  37. Give it time by UrgleHoth · · Score: 1

    biological constructs have had billions of years of natural selection thrashing around nucleotide sequences to produce what we now see as varying levels of intelligence and awareness.

    Computer (and robotic) technology has been around how long? 60 or so years in practice?

    --

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    1. Re:Give it time by rpcxdr · · Score: 1

      Computers also inherit billions of years of biological evolution - in the form of our brains. Computer intelligence is an emergent phenomena that will be vastly accelerated by human goal directed selection rather then random natural selection.

      The real question is: what is the definition of intelligence? For every advance in computer intelligence (chess playing (ie planning ahead), weather predicting (predicting the future)) we have had to narrow the definition of intelligence.

      Eventually as computers continue to advance, I think we'll have to "narrow" humans right out of the definition of intelligence.

  38. Re:Platform diversity - with linebreaks this time by British · · Score: 1

    On a side note, I remember as late as I think the early 1990s that Target was STILL selling bargain-basement game titles for the Commodore 64.

  39. Re:Platform diversity - with linebreaks this time by mccalli · · Score: 1
    On a side note, I remember as late as I think the early 1990s that Target was STILL selling bargain-basement game titles for the Commodore 64.

    I bought a C64 from eBay a couple of months ago. It's amazing, but it's still possible to buy unopened, shrink-wrapped games if you look hard enough. I bought Psi 5 Trading Company on disk, and it arrived shrink-wrapped complete with registration card and a question about "which computers do you own?"

    God I was tempted to send that card in.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  40. clock speed, not far off by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1


    Their predictions on clock speed actually aren't that far off the mark, assuming they're talking about the system clock as a whole rather than just the CPU clock speed.

    When the 486's came out shortly after that article in 1989, the fastest speed they got up to was still only 33MHz. By applying clock doubling, Intel was able to get the DX2 CPUs running at 66MHz internally -- but externally mainboard speeds were still 33.

    In fact, mainboard speeds STILL peaked at 33MHz when the first generation of Pentiums came out. The P5-90 was a clock-tripled 30MHz system, for example.

    As I recall, it wasn't until the P5-100 that main speeds above 33MHz were used (some 100's were 33x3, others were 50x2.) And that was circa 1994.

    So five years with no progress in base system clockspeeds? The prediction seems pretty accurate to me.

    1. Re:clock speed, not far off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      excuse me, but:

      Pentium 60: 60MHz FSB
      Pentium 66: 66MHz FSB
      Pentium 75: 50MHz FSB
      Pentium 90: 60MHz FSB
      Pentium 100: 66MHz FSB
      Pentium 120: 60MHz FSB
      Pentium 133: 66MHz FSB
      Pentium 150: 60MHz FSB
      Pentium 166: 66MHz FSB

      AFAIK, the only times Pentiums ran with a 33MHz front side bus was for a small number of early Socket 4 motherboards that had VESA Local Bus for server systems.

    2. Re:clock speed, not far off by Craig+Davison · · Score: 1

      Wrong wrong wrong. The P-90 was a 1.5x multiplied 60MHz bus. The pentinum came in 3 bus speeds:

      50MHz - P-50, p-75
      60MHz - P-60, p-90, p-120
      66MHz - P-66, P-100, P-133, P-166, P-200, P-233

      I might be wrong about the P-100. Ars Technica agrees with me: see here.

      Note that the fastest 486s were AMD parts - their 486DX went up to 40 MHz, and the "486DX4" (clock tripled, not 4x as the name would imply") had 100MHz and 120 MHz versions!

    3. Re:clock speed, not far off by L0neW0lf · · Score: 1

      You left out the 486DX-50. Unlike the 486DX2/50, which ran at a clock-doubled 25MHz, the Intel 486DX/50 ran at a straight 50MHz bus speed. It needed a serious heatsink/fan (well, serious for the day), and because of heat issues and yield, Intel moved on rather quickly to the clock-doubled 486 processors. In situations where an operation only took one clock cycle, the 486DX-50 was actually faster than the 486DX2/66. As others said, your base clockspeeds for Pentiums are also off.

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    4. Re:clock speed, not far off by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Yes, along the lines of what Craig was mentioning:

      Before the early 90s, Intel's processors had always had a bus speed matched with the processor speed. The problem was, Intel was hitting the wall as far as bus speeds with current technology, with the 486DX 40, 50 and the Pentium 60, 66 rounding out the high-end. Thus, there was a push in the early 90s for internal speed multipliers.

      Intel got a lot of flack for this move, but they were able to price the DX2/SX2 and P75 parts quite attractively. Also, the built-in L1 cache on the 486 and Pentium helped to reduce the risk of data starvation despite the slower bus speeds.

      Over the years we've seen the bus speed gap widen, but improved cache hiearchies have continuously kept this issue in check.

      Also, FYI: the Pentium 60 and 66 were workstation chips when they were released, displacing high-end 486 processors. Then Intel made the P5 mainstream with the release of the P75, P90 and P100. All three processors used a 1.5x multiplier, and the P75 was seen as "the" value P5. It was also the only P5 to use a 50MHz bus.

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    5. Re:clock speed, not far off by Nos. · · Score: 1
      I actually owned a DX50... it would easily run apps faster than a DX2/66. In fact, it could often out perform a DX2/80. One of the best CPU's I ever owned, especially when you consider I didn't pay for it.

      I found a posting on the newsgroups (no ebay back then!) for a DX50 CPU for about $50/USD. It was a fair price, new, I could get them for about $90/CDN. So, I send the guy a cheque, I received the CPU (it ran fine). About two weeks later I noticed the cheque still hadn't cleared. I emailed the guy to ask if head gotten the money, he said he had. The only thing I can think of is that I accidentaly sent the cheque in Canadian funds. His bank must have cashed the cheque in USD, but my bank refused to cover it since the cheque was in CDN. So, some bank in the US essentially bought the CPU for me.

  41. Slashdot Archives! by jasno · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lately I've started going back and viewing the slashdot headlines from 5 years ago. Its really hilarious to go back and see where we've been.

    Here's a start:
    1 Year
    2 Years
    5 Years

    Modifying the URL to go to an arbitrary day is easy. Just modify the YYYYMMDD code in the URL:
    http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=19990722

    It would be nice to see the /. editors put together some slash-way-back stories to dig deeper into some of the more popular fads and see where they're at now.

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    1. Re:Slashdot Archives! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just went to the 5 Years ago page, and they were doing the same poll in 1999. I knew I'd seen it before.

  42. origin of l33t spe4k? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    May 1995
    Classic Dumb Terminal
    How many Apple Newton users does it take to change a lightbulb?

    Fiv3 - tWO to fu%6~ th# jlwww aND three tO gurr%^ the laddEr. (Handwriting recognition still had a way to go before hitting Tablet levels - CK)


    Looks like we can safely attribute the creation of leet speak to those ever-trendy designers over at Apple.

  43. the big shift was as Gates made it. by twitter · · Score: 1
    Gates promised us that software not hardware would limit performance. He has worked to make it so. Hardware was made a commodity and he is working to make sure that it will only eat his software. Fifteen years ago, hardware was made everywhere. Now, not even IBM or big Japanese companies can make hardware with anything but slave labor in China.

    Free software might not make it possible to compete with slave labor, but it will help. If the largest cost of hardware becomes the "IP" of BIOS and software, free software will reduce those costs and might make manufacturing elsewhere possible. As it is, the world is one big screwdriver plant supplied by China and ruled by IP from two or three companies.

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  44. How much did YOU pay for your Visor Pro? by dcsmith · · Score: 1
    "May 2002 Next generation PDAs "Aside from the Springboard expansion slot, the $999 Handspring Visor Pro's standout features include an LED alarm option and a backlit, 16-greyshade screen.""

    Ummm, $999 Handspring Visor Pro? Methinks not...

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    1. Re:How much did YOU pay for your Visor Pro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $999 in New Zealand dollars.

      That's like $29.99 US.

  45. iMac by cybertron3 · · Score: 1

    All this computer history and they didnt mention the original iMac? It lead to so many multicolored products! Along the same note, no iTunes music store? The music store is more recent but it seems to me that those would make it on a list like this.

  46. Re:Platform diversity - with linebreaks this time by Viceice · · Score: 1

    This MUST be the first ever dupe comment to ever get modded up on SlashDot.

    Whats next? Duplicate rant about dupe comments?

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  47. Re:Dear God why does /. suck so hard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a general trend. Back in 2000, we had some quality posters, people who knew their shit and were willing to share it.
    These days, those people don't post here.
    You want to talk about security, you join a mailing list or moderated newsgroup. You want to talk about anything in depth, you sure as hell don't talk about it here.
    What happens if you know the entire discussion is completely wrong or inaccurate or shallow, and you know something better? Your post will be buried in a sea shit-posts by mouthbreathing zealots who talk about Nutscrape and Micro$haft and rice-out their Gentoo 'rig', without ever being told to shut the fuck up.

    FUCK SLASHDOT! And if you actually cared about the people you post with, you'd leave too.

    Impossu: Shut up, fag.

  48. Spectrum Vs C64 by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

    There was a small flame war about that in Metro (a London newspaper) a few months ago...

  49. Not so crazy! by pwroberts · · Score: 1

    "$10 a megabyte for all other information sent or received"

    $10 NZ? That's not so far removed from the ~£3 per MB I'm paying for mobile Internet (i.e. GPRS) a decade later...

  50. Re:Platform diversity - with linebreaks this time by mt2mb4me · · Score: 1
    This MUST be the first ever dupe comment to ever get modded up on SlashDot.

    Whats next? Duplicate rant about dupe comments?

    The most painful punishment for MS is to disregard all their copyrights, patents and IP.

  51. Holier than the both of you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's fascinating how materialist philosophers rarely possess the modesty to see their own assumptions, meanwhile possessing great eagerness in pointing out the polar opposite assumption in the soul/spirituality line of thinking.

    What is being as in "I am!"? How many pieces of Lego can make that? Is mind a quality of electricity? How the fuck can *you* assert that people are an entirely mechanical process without even pretending to back it up by facts or argument. By the sound of it, your word alone should be taken as *the* fact of the matter.

    Simply that there are strong isomorphisms between what goes on in the body and what goes on in the mind does not imply that mind by necessity is a product of the brain/central nervous system -- it is easy to imagine there could be an essence which is immeasurable, yet fits with the body like a hand into a glove (of course, this is a crude analogy, but you get the picture). You can see the movements of a glove directly, but not the hand inside.

    For myself, I find this almost easier to believe than collections of units of matter, which I am tempted to presume possess about the same awareness as individual pieces of lego conspiring with air and water and whatever other chemicals in order to make something that experiences.

    I believe that all things considered, each and every one of us chooses what to believe given what we may infer from the world around us, from theory, from personal wishes and, of course, from theory and philosophy.

    Just because one fails to acknowledge how other interpretations and beliefs may be possible, for whatever reasons one may have, does *not* mean that one has to run around trying to push people over with unequivocal assertions unbacked by any presented facts or arguments. In fact, I see this as an attack on the collective dignity, free will and intellect of the /. crowd, and as such deserves sneers and jeers instead of cheers.

    I'm posting AC to preserve an aura of honesty.

  52. putting out your neck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk about coating your dick in honey and shoving it into a beehive.

    Pardon the crudeness. I'm but a silly countryboy.

  53. Reminds me of another article I laughed at by lcsjk · · Score: 1

    Back in the early 80's a "Nixie Tube" manufacturer's rep had an article saying that the LED display would never become low cost enough to replace the nixie tube neon display.

  54. Re:Dear God why does /. suck so hard? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    You'd never mistake a 2002 PC for a 1996 PC.

    In similar condition, both running Windows 9x, I doubt that there would be much perceivable difference. Obviously speed/hard-drive size; *possibly* monitor size would give it away, but fundamentally, it's still a beige-box PC compatible.

    You'll notice the real difference when the PC is no longer the dominant form of computer.

    "Oh yeah... I remember, I used to use one of those all the time.".... and you realise just how much things have changed.

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  55. The Rules of Future Predictions by MonkeyCookie · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. No matter what you predict in the future, you will be horribly wrong.

    2. The people in the future will mercilessly mock you for it.

  56. Here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember that picture!

    That BBS is still up and lo and behold there the picture is still available!

    JENYJAMSN.EPS
    BBS #8675309

  57. More corect assesments. by Forge · · Score: 3, Funny
    March 2001
    Classic Dumb Terminal
    "It's ridiculous claiming that video games influence children. For instance, if Pac-man affected kids born in the 80s, we should by how have a bunch of teenagers who run around in darkened rooms and eat pills while listening to monotonous electronic music."

    Finally. Someone knows why Raves and Ecstasy (The drug, not the feeling) are so popular.

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  58. Don't Copy That Floppy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google'd cache

    Did I hear you right?
    Did I hear you sayin'
    You were gonna make a copy
    Of a game without payin'?
    Come on guys...
    I thought you knew better!
    Don't Copy That Floppy!


    No more Carmen Sandiego,
    No more Oregon Trail.
    Tetris and the others,
    They're all gonna fail!


    All of Tetris was stolen into the United States and modified against the original. Tetris originated from a talented man of Russia; programmed by Alexey Pajitnov. The MPAA is showing a derivitave work in their "Don't Copy That Floppy" video which infringes on Alexey Pajitnov's intellect; yet the MPAA is not enforcing Alexey Pajitnov's intellect; the MPAA is enforcing the copyrights to the corporations that stole and cloned Tetris. They don't care because all the pirates are generating taxes for the United States' income. Also, all the sideshow freak interviews are of programmers complaining about someone playing their "game" without paying for it, and every single one of those programmers has been proven they stole even content from others to make their pirated "game" and then complain to the MPAA. United States is a pirate!

  59. Surely we can work in nukes somehow by ianscot · · Score: 1

    Ha! What you need is that little Honda wagon pretending to be an SUV -- with the hoseable interior. Oops, not enough seats -- but it's getting a little closer to the cartoon, I have to admit. I'm just surprised they didn't work in radiation or nuclear materials of some sort. "Water simply boils off this couch -- providing a convenient source of energy for the many modern kitchen appliances." They always work in the radiation when they can.

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  60. The prices are most shocking by qseep · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having lived through that 15-year era, I have to say that while I don't bat an eye at the MHz or MB ratings of equipment, the prices reported back then are astoundingly high.

    They are talking about $28,000 PCs... who the heck would ever pay that much for a PC? They talk about $3,000 as a "breakthrough" when today you can grab an average system for $1,000 or less.

    I would be curious to see a price trend chart over the years, of the "high-end PC", "average PC" and "bargain PC", whatever that meant in each time period.

    Personally, I was into Commodores 15 years ago. The Amiga 2000 cost abour $2000 when your average PC cost about $5000. I never understood why people would buy PC compatibles back then!

  61. New Zealand $, not US $ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're talking New Zealand Dollars; multiply by 0.6 to translate into American

  62. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA...! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Goddam, it's true, and I'm a New Zealander, so why am I laughing...?

    Sigh...

  63. Re:New Zealand $, not US $ by allio · · Score: 1

    It may surprise you to know that in New Zealand, $26,000 is probably still a little too much to consider paying for a computer. Try $1200.

  64. That seems to vacillate by ianscot · · Score: 1
    If you think about it, taste in car size swings back and forth pretty radically. Fashion's going to do that I guess.

    Meantime Ford's share of the overall market plummeted next to Japanese makers who weren't even in the picture in my old magazines. Honda and Toyota came into the market in the 70s with the compact commuter car. Volkswagens before them, too, with the original Beetle (and the first minivan, which we never really acknowledge). And Ford, with its surveys showing Americans wanted bigger boat sedans, never saw it coming.

    Today Ford's had huge sales in their (supposedly badly unreliable) Focus overseas -- compact car for the European market as much as the home one. Saw Focuses in Paris this last March, where there were *no* other American cars other than a single butt-ugly yellow Humvee. In the US they're selling Explorers still, amazingly.

    People are incredibly irrational about cars, for something that's so danged expensive...

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  65. Got a email from PC World NZ by jeffdsimpson · · Score: 1

    Got a email from PC World NZ today telling me thanks to this article they got ten times the normal unique visitors on the Friday

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