I'm tired of people who don't write Mac programs pontificating on crap they have no clue about.
Carbon and Cocoa aren't in direct competition. Carbon is a lower-level API that works as advertised. Cocoa is a higher-level API like PowerPlant or MacApp that, in spite of Apple's marketing, isn't some kind of all-encompassing masterwork of new technology. In fact, it hasn't changed significantly since the debut of OPENSTEP, and the fact it wasn't written for the same market as the Mac shows.
Cocoa has missing APIs and legacy issues stemming from its UNIX roots (pre-dating the Macintosh, which was written from day 1 as human-centric). Also, unlike PowerPlant, Cocoa is closed source. This means that when you have blocking issues, you can't puncture the damned beach ball unless your radar is miraculously answered several OS revisions from now. This isn't an issue with Carbon. There is a reason why all of Apple's high-end softwares are written in Carbon.
In fact, the only major practical advantage Cocoa has is Interface Builder. Some cool Carbon developers at Apple (aka, those who actually read radars) created the same for Carbon with HIView. One may ask how dare they improve a viable API when lord Steve has already given orders from on high that Cocoa is the New Wayâ. I'll answer because an OS is a tool, and those who find it useful use the tool. When Mac OS ceases to be the best tool for the job, we'll go elsewhere. Removing 64bit Carbon is removing a damned useful tool. Apple would be better off removing a different tool (the breathing kind).
If Apple gets rid of Carbon, they ought to provide a viable replacement or Mac OS X will be relegated to the same rubbish bin you'll now find OPENSTEP.
By the way, you'll find that some of 64bit Carbon still exists, albeit in private frameworks. Expect this list to grow as they publish 64bit Final Cut Pro (aka how to piss Adobe off even more).
I would love to try Objective-C but the lack of bindings for GTK, QT, and Windows keeps me from putting in the effort. Uh, what does GTK or QT have to do with anything? Is there something inherently nice about a GTK app? Qt's API, if you actually like it for that reason, would not work in a language other than C++.
The only awesome thing about ObjC is Cocoa, so wanting a non-Cocoa ObjC framework makes no sense.
If you want Cocoa on Linux and Windows, however, you already have it. It's called GNUStep.
Sorry, it never ceases to amaze me that when facing a spending problem their first reaction is to increase taxes. Then you're an idiot.
Politicians and bureaucrats don't have a "spending problem". That's their job. If you give a police department a million dollars, their job is to spend it.
What, did you think their job was to protect and serve? Don't make me laugh!
Next you'll say how it never ceases to amaze you that leaches suck blood. AMAZING!!!!
First, it does not solve any of the "problems". Any of them. Huh?
The "problem" is politicians want more money. That is the only problem taxes ever solves.
Third, the money is going to the wrong people. It's called taxes for a reason. If it weren't taxed, it would be going to the right peopleâ"those who earned it.
Last I checked, the United States is doing quite well. Last I checked, we've been in the shitter for the last seven years. Using pre-Clinton CPI figures, we've been in a recession for at least that long. In the last few years the only companies making a profit are those with government contracts and the federal government itself. This is, of course, all financed with debt and not savings and production.
I guess everyone can think we're doing quite well, all the way to the cliff.
I fully expect you to blame the free market when this is more widely realized.
Yes, it's true that some individual people do benefit from business process and software patents, but they do nothing to encourage innovation. In fact, they end up stifling innovation. Patents were meant to encourage innovation, not stifle it. Do you actually believe this? Patents, from the very beginning, were devised to protect existing technology. Vested interests write the law, not some non-existent altruistic ideal handed down from the heavens.
Anyway, this is one of the reasons why I'd love to see the government set up a site for everybody to go to, where they can see each of their legislator's votes on issues, as well as a quick comment on the reasoning for voting that way (or longer per the legislator's desire), and put this out there in a very accessible location, and make this a manditory part of the legislative process. The site could be organized in a way such that citizens could easily see the reasoning behind other legislator's votes as well, so that counterpoints are clear to citizens.
Sure, because public involvement in law making worked so great in Athens...
Even if politicians weren't corrupt rationalizing rent-seeking power mongers, that wouldn't make Plato's ideal society possible. Workable laws aren't reasoned alone. See Zane's "The Story of the Law"
Spindler was definitely the worst. I painfully remember the Performa madness.
Amelio seemed to me one of those cookie-cutter CEOs who ought to be teaching so they can't do harm in the real world. It reminds me of NBA owners who don't know basketball.
>The unanswered question is: how many copies of OS X do they sell today versus how many would they sell if they had an available installed base of 40 million PCs?
The same number of people who bought OPENSTEP. Consider your question answered.
You see, OS X doesn't run windows apps. If somebody wants to run OS X, they can buy a Mac.
I don't care if you talk about bazillioneez of PCs out there which could potentially run OS X. It's a non-argument and always has been.
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It's not the same situation.
"PPC boards" which ran Mac OS had Apple hardware and software.
What exactly makes Cocoa a forward-looking API?
Please don't answer if you're not a Mac developer, because in that case you opinion doesn't matter.
Except that no Qt app in existence behaves like a Mac app, and this problem will only be exacerbated with their transition to Cocoa.
I'm tired of people who don't write Mac programs pontificating on crap they have no clue about.
Carbon and Cocoa aren't in direct competition. Carbon is a lower-level API that works as advertised. Cocoa is a higher-level API like PowerPlant or MacApp that, in spite of Apple's marketing, isn't some kind of all-encompassing masterwork of new technology. In fact, it hasn't changed significantly since the debut of OPENSTEP, and the fact it wasn't written for the same market as the Mac shows.
Cocoa has missing APIs and legacy issues stemming from its UNIX roots (pre-dating the Macintosh, which was written from day 1 as human-centric). Also, unlike PowerPlant, Cocoa is closed source. This means that when you have blocking issues, you can't puncture the damned beach ball unless your radar is miraculously answered several OS revisions from now. This isn't an issue with Carbon. There is a reason why all of Apple's high-end softwares are written in Carbon.
In fact, the only major practical advantage Cocoa has is Interface Builder. Some cool Carbon developers at Apple (aka, those who actually read radars) created the same for Carbon with HIView. One may ask how dare they improve a viable API when lord Steve has already given orders from on high that Cocoa is the New Wayâ. I'll answer because an OS is a tool, and those who find it useful use the tool. When Mac OS ceases to be the best tool for the job, we'll go elsewhere. Removing 64bit Carbon is removing a damned useful tool. Apple would be better off removing a different tool (the breathing kind).
If Apple gets rid of Carbon, they ought to provide a viable replacement or Mac OS X will be relegated to the same rubbish bin you'll now find OPENSTEP.
By the way, you'll find that some of 64bit Carbon still exists, albeit in private frameworks. Expect this list to grow as they publish 64bit Final Cut Pro (aka how to piss Adobe off even more).
64bit Carbon was on the verge of beta testing before it was axed for purely political reasons.
There's no reason to axe Carbon. It doesn't even 'compete' with Cocoa. Cocoa is more like PowerPlant, and uses some Carbon APIs.
At least PowerPlant's source was available so we could fix bugs instead of filing radars.
The only awesome thing about ObjC is Cocoa, so wanting a non-Cocoa ObjC framework makes no sense.
If you want Cocoa on Linux and Windows, however, you already have it. It's called GNUStep.
There seems to be a view in Europe that for some reason goods ought to be taxed.
The reasons for one tax is never limited. Politicians are in the business of creating reasons to spend money, and thus increase taxes.
By the way, the VAT should be called Value Subtracted Tax.
Politicians and bureaucrats don't have a "spending problem". That's their job. If you give a police department a million dollars, their job is to spend it.
What, did you think their job was to protect and serve? Don't make me laugh!
Next you'll say how it never ceases to amaze you that leaches suck blood. AMAZING!!!!
The "problem" is politicians want more money. That is the only problem taxes ever solves. Third, the money is going to the wrong people. It's called taxes for a reason. If it weren't taxed, it would be going to the right peopleâ"those who earned it.
What, no mention of GPL zealotry?
I guess everyone can think we're doing quite well, all the way to the cliff.
I fully expect you to blame the free market when this is more widely realized.
What about aliases and FileIDs? I see no mention of this anywhere.
Government is political.
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Please, tell me what history book you're reading.
This is so ass-backwards I don't know where to begin!
Anyway, this is one of the reasons why I'd love to see the government set up a site for everybody to go to, where they can see each of their legislator's votes on issues, as well as a quick comment on the reasoning for voting that way (or longer per the legislator's desire), and put this out there in a very accessible location, and make this a manditory part of the legislative process. The site could be organized in a way such that citizens could easily see the reasoning behind other legislator's votes as well, so that counterpoints are clear to citizens.
Sure, because public involvement in law making worked so great in Athens...
Even if politicians weren't corrupt rationalizing rent-seeking power mongers, that wouldn't make Plato's ideal society possible. Workable laws aren't reasoned alone. See Zane's "The Story of the Law"
What was that?
Sorry, I got distracted when you started sniffing your own farts.
Because it's about image, not results.
They want their own GPS system, even though we have one already. They want their own space program, even if it isn't cost efficient.
Next they'll want an EU liberty statue.
Spindler was definitely the worst. I painfully remember the Performa madness.
Amelio seemed to me one of those cookie-cutter CEOs who ought to be teaching so they can't do harm in the real world. It reminds me of NBA owners who don't know basketball.
Are you going to use a telescope or endoscope?
More like an old SNL skit:
http://snl.jt.org/detail.php?i=4443
>The unanswered question is: how many copies of OS X do they sell today versus how many would they sell if they had an available installed base of 40 million PCs?
The same number of people who bought OPENSTEP. Consider your question answered.
You see, OS X doesn't run windows apps. If somebody wants to run OS X, they can buy a Mac.
I don't care if you talk about bazillioneez of PCs out there which could potentially run OS X. It's a non-argument and always has been.
All the Firefox text fields behave improperly. They behave like windows text fields.
XUL sucks!
I can't tolerate the Mac version of Firefox. It doesn't behave like a Mac app at all, especially the text fields!
There are ad-blocking plugins for Safari.
Your video links aren't even urls