Rwanda was clearly a genocide. Why it happened is enormously less clear. What was the US and French involvement?
Was Darfur a genocide? That's not so clear. Who pushed for Darfur to be considered a genocide, that's also pretty murky. Why do the people who consider Darfur a genocide base the numbers of deaths on research by the same team, using the same techniques, that came up with the 100,000 - 1,000,000 death figures for Iraq but deny those death rates for Iraq?
Western Sahara? A new one for me. I've always been vaguely pro-Polosario but (don't tell my Moroccan cow-orkers) but I don't know much about what's been going on lately.
Is all of this unique to Africa?
That being said I would love to go to Africa and help locals build roads and sanitation. With roads come security and sanitation comes health. Commerce and stability would follow. Any other aid usually gets in the way.
Worthy sentiments.
My experience is not that Africa needs things being built, it needs things to be repaired. (Many many roads get built. In a couple of years the African sun and rain turns them into long chains of potholes).
Oh, yes, this is fun, while doing some searches to find out the current status of this bill I ran across this thread.
Some choice quotes:
Five Republican representatives - Chris Smith, Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts, Trent Franks and Anh "Joseph" Cao - have written a letter to Ugandan President Yoweri Mouseveni pressing him to stop pending legislation that would severely criminalize homosexuality and sometimes impose the death penalty for homosexual acts.
replies:
To: markomalley Are these Log Cabin Republicans ? 4 posted on Wed 23 Dec 2009 02:58:08 CET by libh8er
To: markomalley I'd like to get a copy of the bill and introduce it here... 7 posted on Wed 23 Dec 2009 03:05:28 CET by maddog55 (Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.)
To: maddog55 And they wonder why they lose elections and constituents TEABAGGER or FISTER you decide 9 posted on Wed 23 Dec 2009 03:10:48 CET by eyeamok
To: eyeamok Republicans have become so gay.Pray for the Republic. 11 posted on Wed 23 Dec 2009 03:14:10 CET by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
To: ElectronVolt; darkangel82 If these congressmen or whatever they are wrote strongly worded letters to every government around the world for every repressive law, then their actions, if not making sense, would at least be consistent. Do they write letters to all the Muslim countries protesting their laws against freedom of speech and religion? Making it a crime to be a Christian/Jew/Buddhist/Hindu? No? Then they should STFU about Uganda's internal business. Are homosexual acts so sacred and worthy that protesting laws against them should be more important than other laws in other countries that legalize torture and death for all manner of freedoms we take for granted? This is just a sop to their pevert constituency. 16 posted on Wed 23 Dec 2009 03:39:11 CET by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
To: markomalley Bravo for Uganda for not allowing the homosexualization of their country. 35 posted on Thu 24 Dec 2009 01:38:58 CET by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
Remember Uganda is the country that has the death penalty for homosexuals.
Well, I remember that some Americans went to Uganda claiming to be "experts in homosexuality" and warned "the gay movement is an evil institution". A "previously unknown Ugandan politician" then introduced a bill, which as far as I know has not been passed.
Has it been passed? Could you provide a reference?
Would you please just explain yourself? He admitted ignorance and asked for knowledge. I'm doing the same.
Well, you take the list I posted, and remove the countries where there is armed conflict and that gives you some idea of where there is peace.
Where is there conflict at the moment?
Probably the worst is in the Congo, near the Rwanda/Burundi border. (The Congo is insanely huge and difficult to move around in, the rest of the country is probably pretty calm).
There may still be some minor fighting in the Darfur region of Sudan, but nothing like previous levels.
I think the LRA may still be pissing around in the far north of Uganda.
There has been some inter-communal violence in Nigeria.
There is some trouble in Angola's enclave Cabinda.
There is still fighting in Somalia. And pirates. (Did anyone outside France hear about the recent pirate attack on a French warship? Poor buggers mistook a fleet supply vessel it for a civilian ship.)
There's a bit or terrorism up north (Algeria, Niger and so on).
Algeria
Angola
Benin
Botswana
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cameroon
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Côte d'Ivoire
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Djibouti
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Kenya
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Madagascar
Malawi
Mali
Mauritania
Mauritius
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Niger
Nigeria
Republic of the Congo
Rwanda
Senegal
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
South Africa
Sudan
Swaziland
São Tomé and Príncipe
Tanzania
The Gambia
Togo
Tunisia
Uganda
Zambia
Zimbabwe
How man of them currently have ongoing armed conflict?
Assuming you have a countries table and it has the continent on it, yes you can.
But you only would if you were brain dead or racist. If some African countries don't give you problems why would you block them? If some European countries gave you problems would you block the whole continent?
To promote aid in most regions of Africa, you have to be prepared to deliver that aid against armed resistance, or accept that that aid might be coopted to feed the army that oppresses people who need aid. That's not really helping.
Patent nonsense.
Most regions of Africa don't need food aid.
Most regions of African don't have ongoing armed conflict.
I really do want to help these folk, and I can think of no better way to do that than to repeat the message of the great (and missed) Sam Kinnison: Move to where the food is.
So you campaign for open borders?
You're in a freaking desert where things don't grow. MOVE.
Most of the inhabited regions of Africa are not deserts. Things grow.
Africa has problems, but it is not the starving hell-hole you seem to think it is.
He can keep porn off the iphone about as well as I can keep spam out of email. So, if you wish to call him a liar or a hopeful idealist, take your pick.
I didn't call him a liar, you did,
Jobs is reported as saying "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone"
You said "He knows that you can get porn on the iphone".
So you claim either:
1. he's lying in his claim to believe he has a moral responsibility.
or
2, he's not lying, he thinks he has a moral responsibility for doing something he knows he can't do while commercialising the iphone, so he's going to stop commercialising the iphone.
or
3. he thinks he has a "moral responsibility" but he's not going to do anything about it. (This is the same as 1. If he really thought he had a "moral responsibility" he'd do something about it, otherwise he's just bullshitting).
Slashdot Mirror
1. bomb Taliban positions with solar powered laptops running Windows7 with powerpoint installed ...
2. Victory
3.
4. Experience horrible unplanned of blow-back.
Yeah maybe the Netherlands beat the UK on some ship deals, but the fucking Ukraine is beating BAE &co by selling fucking AK47s!
Rwanda was clearly a genocide. Why it happened is enormously less clear. What was the US and French involvement?
Was Darfur a genocide? That's not so clear. Who pushed for Darfur to be considered a genocide, that's also pretty murky. Why do the people who consider Darfur a genocide base the numbers of deaths on research by the same team, using the same techniques, that came up with the 100,000 - 1,000,000 death figures for Iraq but deny those death rates for Iraq?
Western Sahara? A new one for me. I've always been vaguely pro-Polosario but (don't tell my Moroccan cow-orkers) but I don't know much about what's been going on lately.
Is all of this unique to Africa?
Worthy sentiments.
My experience is not that Africa needs things being built, it needs things to be repaired. (Many many roads get built. In a couple of years the African sun and rain turns them into long chains of potholes).
Wha? Weirdest correction ever. Iraq are your allies dude, it's Iran that's the devil incarnate this time round.
(Kids of today, always confusing Eurasia with Eastasia. Humpf).
Against whom? If Al-Queda let of a bomb in New York harbor who would you nuke? Saudi? Afghanistan?
Citation needed maybe?
Worlds largest arms exporters (in 2007, Source):
(Damn but the UK is fucked, they used to be a contender).
(why is it so fucking hard to do a table in slashcode?).
Oh, yes, this is fun, while doing some searches to find out the current status of this bill I ran across this thread.
Some choice quotes:
A genocidal hell hole indeed.
Well, I remember that some Americans went to Uganda claiming to be "experts in homosexuality" and warned "the gay movement is an evil institution". A "previously unknown Ugandan politician" then introduced a bill, which as far as I know has not been passed.
Has it been passed? Could you provide a reference?
Hey, Eugene, I thought you were dead!
Well, you take the list I posted, and remove the countries where there is armed conflict and that gives you some idea of where there is peace.
Where is there conflict at the moment?
Probably the worst is in the Congo, near the Rwanda/Burundi border. (The Congo is insanely huge and difficult to move around in, the rest of the country is probably pretty calm).
There may still be some minor fighting in the Darfur region of Sudan, but nothing like previous levels.
I think the LRA may still be pissing around in the far north of Uganda.
There has been some inter-communal violence in Nigeria.
There is some trouble in Angola's enclave Cabinda.
There is still fighting in Somalia. And pirates. (Did anyone outside France hear about the recent pirate attack on a French warship? Poor buggers mistook a fleet supply vessel it for a civilian ship.)
There's a bit or terrorism up north (Algeria, Niger and so on).
Any I've forgotten?
The countries of Africa are:
Algeria
Angola
Benin
Botswana
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cameroon
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Côte d'Ivoire
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Djibouti
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Kenya
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Madagascar
Malawi
Mali
Mauritania
Mauritius
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Niger
Nigeria
Republic of the Congo
Rwanda
Senegal
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
South Africa
Sudan
Swaziland
São Tomé and Príncipe
Tanzania
The Gambia
Togo
Tunisia
Uganda
Zambia
Zimbabwe
How man of them currently have ongoing armed conflict?
So you when see a lot of fraud from Romania you block transactions from Hungary. How odd.
But you only would if you were brain dead or racist. If some African countries don't give you problems why would you block them? If some European countries gave you problems would you block the whole continent?
Patent nonsense.
Most regions of Africa don't need food aid.
Most regions of African don't have ongoing armed conflict.
So you campaign for open borders?
Most of the inhabited regions of Africa are not deserts. Things grow.
Africa has problems, but it is not the starving hell-hole you seem to think it is.
I've just downloaded an emulator for an old system I used to use (George 3 on an ICL 1900).
The emulator wants to run on Windows.
Bugger, I'll have to run it under wine.
Beginners mistake.
but what does it do at 3500m?
(Guess why that interests me).
300Mbps/64Kbps would be rather boring.
I didn't call him a liar, you did,
Jobs is reported as saying "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone"
You said "He knows that you can get porn on the iphone".
So you claim either:
1. he's lying in his claim to believe he has a moral responsibility.
or
2, he's not lying, he thinks he has a moral responsibility for doing something he knows he can't do while commercialising the iphone, so he's going to stop commercialising the iphone.
or
3. he thinks he has a "moral responsibility" but he's not going to do anything about it. (This is the same as 1. If he really thought he had a "moral responsibility" he'd do something about it, otherwise he's just bullshitting).
or
4. he has a plan...
Two versions! You think there have only been two versions of svchost.exe on XP and 2003?
The whole antivirus thing is clearly impossible, a Red Queens race.
So you claim he's not mad, just a liar. You claim he doesn't believe he has a "moral responsibility" to keep porn off the iPhone.
And if you think there's no porn in Ferraris...
So get yourself a fucking Nokia already.
You do know that Apple and Google aren't the only game in town.
In the phone market they aren't even the biggest.
Calling Jobs a socialist is an insult to us socialists. I ask you to withdraw that immediately.
Jobs, like most of the American ruling classes is a feudalist.
Bakeries you say?
(Jobs is right! I found this using Google.)
Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.