It does if that program stops working. Rember the end user program was writen in Windows 16bit API means that if / when the company were to decide it was time to upgrade to Longhorn then this program would either need to be rewriten or replaced. Both would most likely leave me using a program that is slower and has more bugs when it was done.
1) I am sorry but once the code in questions surfaces there will be patched work around out in hours even if it is slower or drops support for certain types of hardware and will be back ported fast. Redhat would have new RPMS for all support OS and might even pruduce patches for older one with hours of the patch releases. If the courts find for SCO then every company would be waiting for that work around and would push those updates out fast. Most companys would be updated within days of the braches being found as this risk aditional money holding off.
2) There have been cases where indepent code will have basicly the same comments due to aspect of the interface in question. There is only one right way to talk to a 3Com card and so the comments could be documenting the high level aspects that the code below is using also there is only so many ways to write code to set the registers in the CPU for accessing and working with Hardware devices add the fact that basic varibles names are used by most programers like i, j, k for temp int varibles so entire device drivers could look about the same.
So your one experience with what, from your statements, appears to be old, unsupported hardware suddenly makes linux easier? From what I understand, you didn't actually use the camera in either linux or windows - you simply saw it as a generic mass storage device. If that's the case, it makes sense the XP would be the only windows that it'd work with out of the box - since it's the first version to have built in support for such "generic" devices. Really, think before you complain, you make the whole linux community look like mindless zealots otherwise, which is a label I'd like to avoid.
1) That camera is sold today so no it isn't outdate or unsupport hardware. 2) I was pointing out that even under Windows 98 which the software was designed for took time to install. This was a reply to the prevous message about windows just working and linux take hours to setup. 3) When I upgraded and/or Switch to new version of Redhat Linux the setup just worked and wasn't hard. On Windows that setup became more problematic over time. 4) As for "using" it in linux or windows I would say in the case of a digital camera using it in any OS would be copy picture off the camera to your hard drive. I was able to do that in both OS's 5) To Reply about "old, unsupported hardware" Most Hardware once added to linux stays in linux even over kernal and library upgrades the same can't be said about windows. Just because something isn't state of the art anymore doesn't make it trash.
Yes but there are over 20 thousand of ous using that termal emulator that was built many years ago on top of the windows 16 bit API. From what I can tell from the about box it was last update late 2000 and I have also seen this same program used in many company today.
By the way IBM still make mainframes for use when it has to be relable and handle high amounts of IO so I wouldn't call it an "old" IBM mainframe.
Just because the program was write 10 to 15 years ago and has just seen bug fixes because it was writen right the first time. Doesn't make it useless or that it needs to be replaced just to be replaced and when it gets replaced it is usually be some program that runs twice as slow and crashes twice as much.
Windows. A small example from last week: downloading snaps from my new digital camera: took 10 minutes on Windows, an hour on Linux. I doubt an average user would even be able to do it.
I have a casio digital camera. Under Windows 98 Installing software took 45 Mins. then it detects and copys files 20 Mins then post process 10 Mins (it rewrites the html into a pretty frontend on the PC in questions. Under Windows 2000 Install Crash OS as there is a glitch. The Install program was developed before 2000 came out. Took 1 Hours to find fix. Fixed Installer takes 5 Mins to install drivers no longer have working fronted or other convince software. Copy data as removable HD 20 Mins. Windows XP. Software wont install but Camera Reconized as USB stroage. Copy data as removable HD 20 Min. Redhat Linux 7.2/8.0 reconizes it as usb storage driver automount mount driver from gnome desktop. Copy data as removable HD 20 Min. Yea Windows is alot easier then linux.
Windows beats it in usability hands-down. Everybody knows this. Linux beats Windows as a server OS, and Windows beats Linux as a desktop OS. Why is that so hard for zealots to grasp? If Linux were the easier operating system, we wouldn't see so many newbies trying it, giving up, and going back to XP.
As someone who has been using linux as a server since slack 1.3 and have used it as a workstation for years but I still have 1 PC that has windows and I don't think I will go MS free for a few years why? Quicken I have years of data in that program and I am sorry gnucash doesn't cut it althought getting closer but still not anywhere near useable for my use. I would guess that other are like me. Overall like linux but just have a few issues here or there that can't be worked around and if they only have 1 PC then back to Windows XX or dual boot a major pain which leads to just using Windows XX. Those problems get less and less each year and if Linux moves into corp. use which will increase the number of users and more users means more programs which will be writen for it. Which means more users will be able to switch which means more programs repeat until windows is no longer the defacto standard.
You have never worked in corp. america have you. My Main interface to our billing system is a 16 bit termal emu. writen for an IBM mainframe. This isn't the 1st company I have came accross stuff like that. Yea new stuff is writen in java/asp/etc. but old stuff still exists and wont die in many companys.
Yes Nike shouldn't reduce cost because that is a physcial item. Music isn't. DVD are being priced a little above the cost of VHS. Less then $20.00 US for most movies and less then $80.00 for tv show seasons. At those prices my time is worth more then the amount of time to download would take. Lets look at an example to download a season of Stargate SG1 Season 1 at DVD quailty would take at least 1 month to download and that is assuming I could find someone making it avaible. The Season 1 DVD set that I bought cost me less the $40.00 not worth downloading. Now if there was some CD I wanted that would take maybe 1 day to download if that long and the cost for a CD being between $10 and $15 dollars. Then it would be worth the time to download. However if that same CD was price around $5.00 then I would never think about downloading the CD as my time is worth more then that. I will say the even at $5.00 there would still be people that would pirate music but for every dollar the price drops there would be more people who would rather buy the pirate a copy. The same is true as the price goes up. For every dollar they raise prices that raises the invisible line for others and increase the chance someone will pirate music and/or movies.
I agree I was in Best Buy Yesterday and they only DVD-R/RW that was in the store was the Sony that had both. The rest were DVD+R/RW only. However the only OEM I know is ship DVD Writers by default is APPLE which ships DVD-R/RW.
I the case listed her you have a Legal copy of both on the same machine. This Might Not be Legal if you moved the msconfig.exe from XP to 2000 Machine as the 2000 Machine might not be Lincensed(sp?)
I to have done the paper way but like many if not most Americans I like things being convernient. I get my W2 Fill in the online forms and send them off all from one site and get back my refund a less then a month. No doing the taxes on paper isn't that hard and I would probly do it that way but for Less then $30 I can go online fill in out the form and have it sent electronicaly to both state and federal and that is all. It is worth a few dollars to me to save time and energy. That is why I use quicken in the first place instead of doing it on paper ledgers in the 1st place to save time.
I agree I have been using Quicken since dos version 3.x day and I upgrade about 1 a year. This year I din't upgrade when 2003 first came out as I was tring to recover from getting married but by the time I would have been ready to by I decided not to buy 2003 and keep 2002 as I wasn't sure if 2003 included that copy protection junk and didn't want to encourge Intuit by buying there products. Now I will probly by 2004 now that they aren't going to use DRM in the future.
You assume those Demo's are restricted from distrubtions. Many Game are shareware and have give the right to be xfered. Same with may things out there. As for Movie trailier that is probly still a violation of the copyright holders distrubtion agreement but not alwas. Movie Company's make those trailers to get people into seat at the movie theather and later to for DVD/VHS sales of said movie so they may be having a blind eye to do so. The only time I have seen any court related actions regarding Movie Trailers is when someone was deep linking the studio websites but that was more of a Deep Linking Issue not a Trailer being avaible Issue.
Sorry Work in tech support. Not all updates but some updates to IE change you homepage to MSN. As for Turning off the search options and reseting the home page. I had a user the other day that thought there inet connection was down because there home page got changed to MSN and so my ISP's page didn't come up and they thought they no longer had a connection. So yes some but not all update do change your page to MSN and user don't change defaults unless someone tells them to.
I agree I have a domain and I have 2 Address that I have never given to anyone just created the account and left them there and they get 20-30 a month.
I don't disagree with anything other then the breakage fee. I worked in a store that sold music and we returned about 5% of the CD recieved because those cheap jowel case the are stored in would break during shipping. No one wants to buy a CD were the jewel case is broken before it even leaves the store. Now I thing there numbers are for 18% (I think I read that somewhere) is out of whack but CD do break and get returned.
This is for people who install 200 Workstation with the same setting for a Call Center or Register system in 50 Locations. Yes most of this can be done with RedHat using kicker but that is all done with a text config file that you have to change for you site. Then you have to do something about keeping it updated. They have developed a simple webbased system for that. The Real Question is cost and mantaince for the system.
Yes and No. 9600 and above include some form of compress but even the best under the 56K standard is really that good. If you check most of the Packets comming in thought you 56K modem are not compressed and if they are it isn't much smaller. If you are using good bzip level of realtime compression then you would see major speed up of html / and many game streams as most aren't compressed. Dont mistake binary for compressed or compressed well. No this wont work for MP3 or Zips.
In my case, I need to keep mails for up to at least a year, which probably would fill up my IMAP account on the server pretty quickly.
No limit on the amount or time. In my case it is over 1 Gig. worth of mail for over 4 Years but that is on my home sever off a cable modem. If you are talking about a home sever that yes as much as you wants for as long as you want. If it is an ISP server or Corp. Server then there can be time limits placed on your email based on space avaible.
The obvious solution would be using IMAP and saving important mails as text files or similar. This would otoh probably be very tedious in the long run.
My current setup is to leave mail on pop server for 14 days. This way I can save all mail on my local computer and still reach the newer ones from different places.
Under Mozila and Outlook Express you can do something like that as you can have more then 1 Imap account under both. You could run a local IMAP at home and use the ISP/Corp. Sever and move you mail for starge into the local server/account.
I too have both running also. 7.3 on a Dell Dual Process with scsi raid and the other on my K6-2 400 that I use as home for a proxy, dns, file server, mysql everything under the sun Server for home. Under 6.2, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 the system was having a hard time keeping up at times. Bumbed it up to 8.0 and alot of the problems went away and the system is alot more responsive and runs better overall. I don't have X runing infact I have never run X on this system. Maybe some of the increase from 7.3 to 8.0 was Bugfixes and newer version of the kernal but I also think that some may also be related to better optimazation with the new version of GCC. Anyway 8.0 broke binary compabitly with 7.x version and desevered the 8.0 Number. As for wether the changes related to the ntpl stuff from 8.0 to 9.0 is enf. of a change to warrent a new version number may be in question but if rpms and programs designed for 8.0 wont run right under 9.0 then it might have been a good idea.
Now I think that droping updates for 7.3 and 8.0 until 9.1 has been out for at least 6 Months is a bad idea but Redhat makes those calls however I would like someone to keep those updates going.
You haven't used Redhat 8.0 have you. Yes there are major differences and this is on systems were I didn't even install X. I ran both 7.3 and 8.0 on the same machine and 8.0 ran much faster. The change from GCC 2.96 to 3.x was a hard change but very worth the change. From what I have read the 9.0 version is going to include the new threding library which could break things. We already known it will break many version of Java and there are other programs that are going to break I would much rather have redhat call it 9 and know it is going to break things designed for 8.0 then call it 8.1 and wonder why it doesn't work it is only a point release.
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It does if that program stops working. Rember the end user program was writen in Windows 16bit API means that if / when the company were to decide it was time to upgrade to Longhorn then this program would either need to be rewriten or replaced. Both would most likely leave me using a program that is slower and has more bugs when it was done.
1) I am sorry but once the code in questions surfaces there will be patched work around out in hours even if it is slower or drops support for certain types of hardware and will be back ported fast. Redhat would have new RPMS for all support OS and might even pruduce patches for older one with hours of the patch releases. If the courts find for SCO then every company would be waiting for that work around and would push those updates out fast. Most companys would be updated within days of the braches being found as this risk aditional money holding off.
2) There have been cases where indepent code will have basicly the same comments due to aspect of the interface in question. There is only one right way to talk to a 3Com card and so the comments could be documenting the high level aspects that the code below is using also there is only so many ways to write code to set the registers in the CPU for accessing and working with Hardware devices add the fact that basic varibles names are used by most programers like i, j, k for temp int varibles so entire device drivers could look about the same.
So your one experience with what, from your statements, appears to be old, unsupported hardware suddenly makes linux easier? From what I understand, you didn't actually use the camera in either linux or windows - you simply saw it as a generic mass storage device. If that's the case, it makes sense the XP would be the only windows that it'd work with out of the box - since it's the first version to have built in support for such "generic" devices. Really, think before you complain, you make the whole linux community look like mindless zealots otherwise, which is a label I'd like to avoid.
1) That camera is sold today so no it isn't outdate or unsupport hardware.
2) I was pointing out that even under Windows 98 which the software was designed for took time to install. This was a reply to the prevous message about windows just working and linux take hours to setup.
3) When I upgraded and/or Switch to new version of Redhat Linux the setup just worked and wasn't hard. On Windows that setup became more problematic over time.
4) As for "using" it in linux or windows I would say in the case of a digital camera using it in any OS would be copy picture off the camera to your hard drive. I was able to do that in both OS's
5) To Reply about "old, unsupported hardware" Most Hardware once added to linux stays in linux even over kernal and library upgrades the same can't be said about windows. Just because something isn't state of the art anymore doesn't make it trash.
Yes but there are over 20 thousand of ous using that termal emulator that was built many years ago on top of the windows 16 bit API. From what I can tell from the about box it was last update late 2000 and I have also seen this same program used in many company today.
By the way IBM still make mainframes for use when it has to be relable and handle high amounts of IO so I wouldn't call it an "old" IBM mainframe.
Just because the program was write 10 to 15 years ago and has just seen bug fixes because it was writen right the first time. Doesn't make it useless or that it needs to be replaced just to be replaced and when it gets replaced it is usually be some program that runs twice as slow and crashes twice as much.
Windows. A small example from last week: downloading snaps from my new digital camera: took 10 minutes on Windows, an hour on Linux. I doubt an average user would even be able to do it.
I have a casio digital camera. Under Windows 98 Installing software took 45 Mins. then it detects and copys files 20 Mins then post process 10 Mins (it rewrites the html into a pretty frontend on the PC in questions. Under Windows 2000 Install Crash OS as there is a glitch. The Install program was developed before 2000 came out. Took 1 Hours to find fix. Fixed Installer takes 5 Mins to install drivers no longer have working fronted or other convince software. Copy data as removable HD 20 Mins. Windows XP. Software wont install but Camera Reconized as USB stroage. Copy data as removable HD 20 Min. Redhat Linux 7.2/8.0 reconizes it as usb storage driver automount mount driver from gnome desktop. Copy data as removable HD 20 Min. Yea Windows is alot easier then linux.
Windows beats it in usability hands-down. Everybody knows this. Linux beats Windows as a server OS, and Windows beats Linux as a desktop OS. Why is that so hard for zealots to grasp? If Linux were the easier operating system, we wouldn't see so many newbies trying it, giving up, and going back to XP.
As someone who has been using linux as a server since slack 1.3 and have used it as a workstation for years but I still have 1 PC that has windows and I don't think I will go MS free for a few years why? Quicken I have years of data in that program and I am sorry gnucash doesn't cut it althought getting closer but still not anywhere near useable for my use. I would guess that other are like me. Overall like linux but just have a few issues here or there that can't be worked around and if they only have 1 PC then back to Windows XX or dual boot a major pain which leads to just using Windows XX. Those problems get less and less each year and if Linux moves into corp. use which will increase the number of users and more users means more programs which will be writen for it. Which means more users will be able to switch which means more programs repeat until windows is no longer the defacto standard.
You have never worked in corp. america have you. My Main interface to our billing system is a 16 bit termal emu. writen for an IBM mainframe. This isn't the 1st company I have came accross stuff like that. Yea new stuff is writen in java/asp/etc. but old stuff still exists and wont die in many companys.
Yes Nike shouldn't reduce cost because that is a physcial item. Music isn't. DVD are being priced a little above the cost of VHS. Less then $20.00 US for most movies and less then $80.00 for tv show seasons. At those prices my time is worth more then the amount of time to download would take. Lets look at an example to download a season of Stargate SG1 Season 1 at DVD quailty would take at least 1 month to download and that is assuming I could find someone making it avaible. The Season 1 DVD set that I bought cost me less the $40.00 not worth downloading. Now if there was some CD I wanted that would take maybe 1 day to download if that long and the cost for a CD being between $10 and $15 dollars. Then it would be worth the time to download. However if that same CD was price around $5.00 then I would never think about downloading the CD as my time is worth more then that. I will say the even at $5.00 there would still be people that would pirate music but for every dollar the price drops there would be more people who would rather buy the pirate a copy. The same is true as the price goes up. For every dollar they raise prices that raises the invisible line for others and increase the chance someone will pirate music and/or movies.
I agree I was in Best Buy Yesterday and they only DVD-R/RW that was in the store was the Sony that had both. The rest were DVD+R/RW only. However the only OEM I know is ship DVD Writers by default is APPLE which ships DVD-R/RW.
and I would not be suprised to see at least some of that savings passed on to collision insurance buyers who have such units in their cars.
Fat Change! When have the issurance companys every lowered there rates?
I the case listed her you have a Legal copy of both on the same machine. This Might Not be Legal if you moved the msconfig.exe from XP to 2000 Machine as the 2000 Machine might not be Lincensed(sp?)
I to have done the paper way but like many if not most Americans I like things being convernient. I get my W2 Fill in the online forms and send them off all from one site and get back my refund a less then a month. No doing the taxes on paper isn't that hard and I would probly do it that way but for Less then $30 I can go online fill in out the form and have it sent electronicaly to both state and federal and that is all. It is worth a few dollars to me to save time and energy. That is why I use quicken in the first place instead of doing it on paper ledgers in the 1st place to save time.
I agree I have been using Quicken since dos version 3.x day and I upgrade about 1 a year. This year I din't upgrade when 2003 first came out as I was tring to recover from getting married but by the time I would have been ready to by I decided not to buy 2003 and keep 2002 as I wasn't sure if 2003 included that copy protection junk and didn't want to encourge Intuit by buying there products. Now I will probly by 2004 now that they aren't going to use DRM in the future.
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You assume those Demo's are restricted from distrubtions. Many Game are shareware and have give the right to be xfered. Same with may things out there. As for Movie trailier that is probly still a violation of the copyright holders distrubtion agreement but not alwas. Movie Company's make those trailers to get people into seat at the movie theather and later to for DVD/VHS sales of said movie so they may be having a blind eye to do so. The only time I have seen any court related actions regarding Movie Trailers is when someone was deep linking the studio websites but that was more of a Deep Linking Issue not a Trailer being avaible Issue.
Sorry Work in tech support. Not all updates but some updates to IE change you homepage to MSN. As for Turning off the search options and reseting the home page. I had a user the other day that thought there inet connection was down because there home page got changed to MSN and so my ISP's page didn't come up and they thought they no longer had a connection. So yes some but not all update do change your page to MSN and user don't change defaults unless someone tells them to.
I agree I have a domain and I have 2 Address that I have never given to anyone just created the account and left them there and they get 20-30 a month.
I don't disagree with anything other then the breakage fee. I worked in a store that sold music and we returned about 5% of the CD recieved because those cheap jowel case the are stored in would break during shipping. No one wants to buy a CD were the jewel case is broken before it even leaves the store. Now I thing there numbers are for 18% (I think I read that somewhere) is out of whack but CD do break and get returned.
I see from the site that 1.1 Beta is comming along and wondering if 1.1 was going to be basicly the same API or total different API.
This is for people who install 200 Workstation with the same setting for a Call Center or Register system in 50 Locations. Yes most of this can be done with RedHat using kicker but that is all done with a text config file that you have to change for you site. Then you have to do something about keeping it updated. They have developed a simple webbased system for that. The Real Question is cost and mantaince for the system.
Yes and No. 9600 and above include some form of compress but even the best under the 56K standard is really that good. If you check most of the Packets comming in thought you 56K modem are not compressed and if they are it isn't much smaller. If you are using good bzip level of realtime compression then you would see major speed up of html / and many game streams as most aren't compressed. Dont mistake binary for compressed or compressed well. No this wont work for MP3 or Zips.
In my case, I need to keep mails for up to at least a year, which probably would fill up my IMAP account on the server pretty quickly.
No limit on the amount or time. In my case it is over 1 Gig. worth of mail for over 4 Years but that is on my home sever off a cable modem. If you are talking about a home sever that yes as much as you wants for as long as you want. If it is an ISP server or Corp. Server then there can be time limits placed on your email based on space avaible.
The obvious solution would be using IMAP and saving important mails as text files or similar. This would otoh probably be very tedious in the long run.
My current setup is to leave mail on pop server for 14 days. This way I can save all mail on my local computer and still reach the newer ones from different places.
Under Mozila and Outlook Express you can do something like that as you can have more then 1 Imap account under both. You could run a local IMAP at home and use the ISP/Corp. Sever and move you mail for starge into the local server/account.
I too have both running also. 7.3 on a Dell Dual Process with scsi raid and the other on my K6-2 400 that I use as home for a proxy, dns, file server, mysql everything under the sun Server for home. Under 6.2, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 the system was having a hard time keeping up at times. Bumbed it up to 8.0 and alot of the problems went away and the system is alot more responsive and runs better overall. I don't have X runing infact I have never run X on this system. Maybe some of the increase from 7.3 to 8.0 was Bugfixes and newer version of the kernal but I also think that some may also be related to better optimazation with the new version of GCC. Anyway 8.0 broke binary compabitly with 7.x version and desevered the 8.0 Number. As for wether the changes related to the ntpl stuff from 8.0 to 9.0 is enf. of a change to warrent a new version number may be in question but if rpms and programs designed for 8.0 wont run right under 9.0 then it might have been a good idea.
Now I think that droping updates for 7.3 and 8.0 until 9.1 has been out for at least 6 Months is a bad idea but Redhat makes those calls however I would like someone to keep those updates going.
You haven't used Redhat 8.0 have you. Yes there are major differences and this is on systems were I didn't even install X. I ran both 7.3 and 8.0 on the same machine and 8.0 ran much faster. The change from GCC 2.96 to 3.x was a hard change but very worth the change. From what I have read the 9.0 version is going to include the new threding library which could break things. We already known it will break many version of Java and there are other programs that are going to break I would much rather have redhat call it 9 and know it is going to break things designed for 8.0 then call it 8.1 and wonder why it doesn't work it is only a point release.
Already been done.