I'd rather have less performance and play older games than support nVidia's tomfoolery with review terms and other bollocks. If AMD has figured out how to write a video driver, and if they've finally started releasing enough information for there to be a good free driver in a timely fashion, then I for one would prefer an AMD solution.
That is very definitely the case currently, in fact AMD now does most of the work on the open source AMDGPU driver, the old proprietary drive is deprecated, and other than a few ancient oddball chipsets it supports and AMDGPU does not, there is no discernible reason to use it. In terms of performance, Radeon + AMDGPU is great, especially with Vulkan, where it outperforms nVidia. Does well in OpenGL too, but everything is moving to Vulkan so except for some legacy games that aren't really that demanding compared to current generation stuff, it doesn't really matter. Basically all good news with open source + Radeon now.
I see 580's going for $250 on Amazon right now, that should be more than enough to tide me over until 7nm Radeons become a thing in 2019-2020. I guess I will skip Vega 64 because of the mining bubble.
And then there are times when he is just clearly over the top and out of line. But for every one of those gigantic fails, there are dozens perpetrated by other actors, this is where the real damage happens.
To summarize your argument: according to you, there are only two choices: 1) merge everybody's changes uncritically or 2) shame people. Can you see that there might be other possibilities?
It is not mistreating someone to call them out for a serious error... Myself, I wouldn't have sent the message quite that way but that doesn't mean it was wrong.
He said "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!" and a bunch of other toxic stuff that would have made the message stronger simply by being deleted. Yes, it was wrong. If you don't believe me then perhaps you can believe Linus.
One example is from about six years ago when Linus reminded everyone very crisply that one doesn't change userspace APIs willy nilly and then blame the applications that were broken by the change.
You left out the sarcasm tag when you wrote "reminder" right? Because "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!" goes a bit beyond that, to say the least. It's a safe bet that this is specifically one of the posts that Linus apologized for today.
It takes more than just programmers to make a programming community. Military analogy: how many in a division are frontline fighters? Right, less than half. Sometimes less than a third.
Formal guidelines would suck. There are so many alternative ways to work towards a collegial atmosphere. Among the most important: media articles by respected journalists (looking at you Jon.) Blog posts. Web pages. Maybe write a book? Write several books. The market is there.
The kernel development arena shouldn't take fools lightly or kindly, it is too important and needs to be done right/well, and deserves a high bar of entry.
And it needs a continuous influx of new blood. That doesn't work too well if the project gains a reputation as toxic, so that there are more enjoyable ways for talented young contributors to invest their time. This devolves to a situation where development work is dominated by "lifers", well compensated older engineers employed by corporations that benefit from the work. All too often, more interested in carving out and defending their own fiefdom than the general well being of the project. This is more or less the current state of the Linux kernel project. Judging by the amazing, continuous progress, you would think there is not a thing wrong with the project. But there is, and finally it is not just a few isolated voices in the wilderness pointing that out.
Linus' attitude isn't the problem, at least not directly. If you go review his legendary rants, he almost never attacks a person, he attacks behaviors. He attacks stupid things that people do. The real problem is when maintainers emulate this behavior, but miss that detail about not attacking people.
It's an amazing thing, on the level of atoning for the BitKeeper disaster by creating Git. But the real damage isn't done directly by Linus cussing from time to time, it's done by maintainers getting the idea that this is a cool way to behave. While it may be entertaining, it is not collegial. There is a reason that collegial practices are ultimately to the long term health and evolution of a community. Now that Linus got the memo, let's see how long it takes to filter through the maintainer community. This is one case where I view slavishly following Linus' lead as a good thing.
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I'd rather have less performance and play older games than support nVidia's tomfoolery with review terms and other bollocks. If AMD has figured out how to write a video driver, and if they've finally started releasing enough information for there to be a good free driver in a timely fashion, then I for one would prefer an AMD solution.
That is very definitely the case currently, in fact AMD now does most of the work on the open source AMDGPU driver, the old proprietary drive is deprecated, and other than a few ancient oddball chipsets it supports and AMDGPU does not, there is no discernible reason to use it. In terms of performance, Radeon + AMDGPU is great, especially with Vulkan, where it outperforms nVidia. Does well in OpenGL too, but everything is moving to Vulkan so except for some legacy games that aren't really that demanding compared to current generation stuff, it doesn't really matter. Basically all good news with open source + Radeon now.
I see 580's going for $250 on Amazon right now, that should be more than enough to tide me over until 7nm Radeons become a thing in 2019-2020. I guess I will skip Vega 64 because of the mining bubble.
Not too far fetched at all, rather more slamdunkfetched. Anything you'd hate Google to be able to do remotely to your device?
Linus's teeth are fine, don't worry.
You are a real prize. Go somewhere else with your foul mouth.
And then there are times when he is just clearly over the top and out of line. But for every one of those gigantic fails, there are dozens perpetrated by other actors, this is where the real damage happens.
What's your focus - code quality, or feelings? You can care about both, but ***at some point you have to choose between the two.***
Eh, clearly a dichotomy. And a false one. So: false dichotomy.
OK, you're fencing. If you think that I misstated your argument then you could please restate it more clearly, and preferably turn down the sarcasm.
To summarize your argument: according to you, there are only two choices: 1) merge everybody's changes uncritically or 2) shame people. Can you see that there might be other possibilities?
The technical term for your argument is false dichotomy.
It is not mistreating someone to call them out for a serious error... Myself, I wouldn't have sent the message quite that way but that doesn't mean it was wrong.
He said "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!" and a bunch of other toxic stuff that would have made the message stronger simply by being deleted. Yes, it was wrong. If you don't believe me then perhaps you can believe Linus.
One example is from about six years ago when Linus reminded everyone very crisply that one doesn't change userspace APIs willy nilly and then blame the applications that were broken by the change.
You left out the sarcasm tag when you wrote "reminder" right? Because "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!" goes a bit beyond that, to say the least. It's a safe bet that this is specifically one of the posts that Linus apologized for today.
It takes more than just programmers to make a programming community. Military analogy: how many in a division are frontline fighters? Right, less than half. Sometimes less than a third.
Start your own kernel then, and show everybody how you being a dick just brings in so much help.
Formal guidelines would suck. There are so many alternative ways to work towards a collegial atmosphere. Among the most important: media articles by respected journalists (looking at you Jon.) Blog posts. Web pages. Maybe write a book? Write several books. The market is there.
The kernel development arena shouldn't take fools lightly or kindly, it is too important and needs to be done right/well, and deserves a high bar of entry.
And it needs a continuous influx of new blood. That doesn't work too well if the project gains a reputation as toxic, so that there are more enjoyable ways for talented young contributors to invest their time. This devolves to a situation where development work is dominated by "lifers", well compensated older engineers employed by corporations that benefit from the work. All too often, more interested in carving out and defending their own fiefdom than the general well being of the project. This is more or less the current state of the Linux kernel project. Judging by the amazing, continuous progress, you would think there is not a thing wrong with the project. But there is, and finally it is not just a few isolated voices in the wilderness pointing that out.
Linus' attitude isn't the problem, at least not directly. If you go review his legendary rants, he almost never attacks a person, he attacks behaviors. He attacks stupid things that people do. The real problem is when maintainers emulate this behavior, but miss that detail about not attacking people.
It's an amazing thing, on the level of atoning for the BitKeeper disaster by creating Git. But the real damage isn't done directly by Linus cussing from time to time, it's done by maintainers getting the idea that this is a cool way to behave. While it may be entertaining, it is not collegial. There is a reason that collegial practices are ultimately to the long term health and evolution of a community. Now that Linus got the memo, let's see how long it takes to filter through the maintainer community. This is one case where I view slavishly following Linus' lead as a good thing.
Lawmakers don't have many facets, maybe as few as two: graft and porn. I can see how they might project that onto society in general.
Looks like a perfectly normal screwup to me, not a reason for indignation.
Obsessed and delusional.
But you are obsessed, why is that? Simplest explanation: you're nuts. No doubt you explain it differently to yourself.
So I was not the first to point out to you that you are nuts.
"Waste" versus "experiment" versus "desperately flailing around trying to find a way to differentiate the product".
If you need proof that you smell bad, just breath in.
That's probably what you say when you fart too, but you still smell bad.