"...its up to the users of the dsl service...[]...to read the policies of the company."
Uh, not exactly. I have had SBC DSL for just over a year now, previously it was speakeasy - before that northpoint/covad.
I moved to PacBell DSL when they installed a CO across the street from my house, and they offered higher speeds off their new equipment than whatever speakeasy DSL equipment my line was previously provisioned on....
anyway - I also happen to have and use a yahoo email account. I have had this email account since 1996 or 1997.
I am now seeing a redirection to a FULL SCREEN advertisment from SBC & Yahoo when I log into my account from my home machine.
Basically they check the IP thats logging into the yahoo account - and if its an SBC provisioned IP - they first redirect you to this AD. It sucks.
Yes you can close the AD pretty quickly, but its still bugs me for many many reasons here are some:
1) I never signed up for Yahoo/SBC DSL. So I dont want the ads that people who signed up for this package are subjected to. *Especially* since they signed up at a lower rate than I pay because of the promotion. If they are going to show me these ADs I should pay the same as the Yahoo/SBC DSL subscribers.
2) My account on both SBC/PacBell DSL and Yahoo Mail PREDATES any of these policies - and in some cases predates the *existance* of SBC-PacBell as a merged company. I agreed to certain things when i signed up years ago for Yahoo, but apparently since the laws are so fucked up - if you agree to a contract these days - you also agree that the other party can make any changes, any time for any reason to any part of the contract you agree to - and you are not required to re-examine any terms and re-agree to anything. That's bull shit.
3) There is no switch for me to turn this option off - I wasnt asked if I wanted it - I cant "opt-out". The way I feel is that I should show up to their offices and hit them in the face with a shovel. They didnt opt-out of the shovel in the face program I run.
4) It is pretty much fact that this type of forced marketing doesnt work too well. Show me any users who actually read the ad - and show me the click-through numbers on these ads. Show me the *actual* conversion ratio. I'd bet its not even enough to make the whole effort worth while.
Basically, I would like to see the Yahoo agreement I entered into way back in 1997. I also want to see the SBC agreement I entered from last year - and I want to see if they allow for this sort of thing. I doubt that in '97 the agreement I actually clicked "I Agree" on says that I agree to bend over and get fucked in the ass by any affilate Yahoo ever decides to every do any sort of marketing arangement with.
so its not as simple as saying "its up to the user to read the policies that they agree to with any company"
ISP based filters. How many of you would sign up for an ISP that says to sites "we block all ads to our customers except banner ads"
Is it even possible to have a proxy block pop-up ads? if not currently possible - is anyone working on this.
I know that I would sign up for an ISP that blocks stuff like this for me.
As it stands now - I recently get a full page ad when logging into a yahoo mail account from home because I have SBC DSL and a yahoo account that I use. They see the login coming from my SBC IP and then first redirect me to a Yahoo/SBC ad. utter BS.
What happens when you palce a bunch of old motherboards into it? will it pulverize and separate the components into dust that can be sifted and softed and re-smelted into recycled units?
I think the next big step for this amchine would be the dust sorting mechanism.
it used to be a theme park. you would go there, eat some candy - ride some rides - and see a few charcters that you loved from disney cartoons.
now space mountain is "brought to you by FedEX" and there are fedex adds all through out the line in the add - and the ride actually exits you right into a store (as does star tours - which is brought to you by enegizer - and there are energizer bunny ads on the walls.)
coca-cola is everywhere. they sell McDonalds from the McDonalds chuck wagon in frontier land. Disney Downtown is a shopping complex and the strollers.
It was an army of families with strollers and nothing but advertisments.
I took my wife there as she had never been before - and it was my birthday. I thought it would be fun for her first time - and a throwback to the more than 15-20 years since I had been there as a kid. BIG mistake. I wont even take our soon to be kids there.
So much for the polished idea of a theme park.
just because something was good years ago - does not mean that any amount of polishing on the idea is going to make it good now. The idea of Disneyland no longer exists. the idea that a good movie from the early 80's can get a decent attempt at a sequel of any number in this day and age without product placement and mechandising rights and affiliations is about as slim.
I heard an interesting thing on KGO radio in san francisco the other day.
There was a guy on who was talking about telemarketing and the laws about do not call lists. The host was asking about why the states dont just flat out make it illegal to call anyone on an opt-out list. And why do some states charge for a number to be put on it.
The telemarketing expert stated that the reason the states dont do as much as the general public thinks it should is due to the fact that telemarketing is a major part of the economy. It employs some six million people and generates more than 12 billion dollars per year.
If they made telemarketing basically illegal - this would cause a massive problem for the economy.
The sad part is that the econmoy is in such a state that fraud and BS business models like telemarketing, although hated, are a necessarry yet cancerous column of stability holding the economy in the (albeit crappy) state its in.
Personally, I think that it would be good for this industry to go away - and force us to build our economy on more ethical and true industries.
Apparently the Matrix was correct - 1999 was the peak of our society.
Seriously. It is so sad that so many have a real malformed idea of what being "human" is.
The world today needs some serious work to become even as good a world is was 30 years ago.
The loss of such important concepts like empathy, compassion, respect (especially respect) allows the sickness and cancerous traits take root in the mind and behaviors of society as a whole. No longer are people concerned about others, and it is so wide spread that we see it expressed in the way corporations and businesses are setup as if conceived and executed by robots - where humans are nothing but a consumable. (hence we are now known as consumers - not because we consume - but rather our resources (money, time, mindshare) and in the end, ourselves - is what is consumed by the machine that is the corporate bottom line and profit margin)
Hopefully some slashdotters out there will take a moment in their illusinal lives to stop and realize that everything outside of yourself, your relationships with the people around you and your attitude towards the current reality is the reality - and the only thing that matters. Otherwise - when moving through your life with your whole focus of being on concepts (and remeber that all that exists - exists as concept. Some manifest in physical form - most manifest in rule of conduct through material life) which are not founded on solid principle, you create a meaningless and illusory reality for yourself, your soul - and all whose life you influence and touch.
Please breath for a minute and try to enlighten and raise another persons life - even for just a moment. Then realise that there is only one moment you ever need to do this in, only one moment you ever need to be mindful of. Now.
I remember playing kings quest way back when - having to load different floppies etc...
That game got me so hooked on computer games i still cant pull myself away.
hmmm.... maybe this isnt a good thing. It's like having nostalgia for my first hit off Whitney's crack pipe. oh wait, she's too rich for crack - and I'm too poor for games these days.
I wanted to keep it short, so I didnt write in all the details.
I had already been on the line for over a year - and all the emails to them was to determine what the status of my account was now that I had been on the account past the year that I had signed up for.
I was asking them what happened to my account now that i was on there past the one year sign up. I didnt agree to another year, so did that make me month to month by default? did I need to sign up again? what exactly did this mean.
None of the reps knew what to do - some told me flat out (in writing) that yes, I was on month to month, others just ignored my emails several times, others just said they didnt know.
It wasnt until i told them I was leaving due to better service offering that they tried to tell me that just because I signed up for a years contract, and the year was over - that I was still beholden to that contract. I told them they were nuts. A years contract lasts one year. there was no stipulation in the contract for what happened after the year was up - so too bad for them.
I think it boiled down to the fact that DSL was so new to them that they didnt really think of what was going to happen after the year was up when they wrote the contracts up.
But here was the clincher for me: I was never a Speakeasy customer. I had covad/northpoint to begin with. After they imploded - my accoutn was SOLD to speakeasy. They just had a transition/assimilation of my DSL line into their system - and I never signed/agreed to any contract. When they were trying to threaten me by saying that I agreed to their EULA I countered with the fact that I never signed up with them. I was just given no option, either I went to their site for COVAD customer assimilation and got my new IPs - or I lost my line.
I went, there was no EULA on the site, or any form of explaination of services... just a real fast page thrown up to let COVAD northpoint users switch over before the deadline.
anyway... im kinda happy now. my DSL bill is 64.95 and I split that with my roommate...
pacbell can suck my d!ck though... (so can every other telecom bastard on the planet)
well - speakeasy isnt so great for some customers. I had my DSL through them (covad/northpoint) and when PacBell put a CO in across the street from my house that offered full DSL speeds I wanted to switch (or at least upgrade).
Speakeasy could only offer me sdsl at 128k - for $60/month... PacBell wanted $49 for 1.5/384 adsl.
I wrote them a bunch to find out the terms of my contract - and was told different things by different people. So I decided to leave.
Since I told speakeasy that I was going to leave they were trying to charge me $350 for terminating the contract. I told them no way I was going to pay that. I told them of all the conflicting info I got from all their service reps, and told them that since they couldnt even clearly show me the terms of my service, their claim that there was a termination fee of that size was BS. They said they'd have to bill me for it. I said go ahead and bill me - but there is no way in hell you're ever getting any money from me. I have a better service here - you cant/wont match it, and you want more money for me. We can go to court if you like - but I doubt you would win. They billed me once. I mailed them all the email correspndence I had with them - and they dropped it.
you know, I really think there is something wrong with your viewpoint here. The throw your arms up oh-well attitude is exaclty what we have to fight against.
The reason this crap sontinues is because people have the attitude like the parent post. It is very sad that you just look at something like this and just say "welcome to the modern world" - when what you should be saying is "WTF? is this the modern world that I want to live in - perpetuate and create?" hell no.
An example of how bad marketing is can be found in alcohol advertising - some of the strongest marketing in the world.
michelob: started a marketing campaign some time ago that went like this:
ad 1: [party all taking place in a bottle] "Spend the holidays with Michelob" (I cant remember this exact phrase... but read on)
ad 2: [bunch of guys hanging out] "Make this weekend a Michelob weekend"
ad 3: [guys at a bar] "Put some weekend in your week"
ad 4: [all their new ads] "The night belongs to Michelob"
Now - the thing is that this campaign started with a seemingly not so sinister happy holiday scene (although the party was happening inside a beer bottle) but progressed to promoting partying with Michelob every night.
Another ad had two versions - one marketed towards whites and one towards blacks. The caption on the white version of the Ad said "Be a part of it" - the caption marketed towards blacks said "Forget about the rest"
marketing is very very subtle, powerful and sinister. Why is it sinister?
Take a look at the alcohols margins 50% of all the alcohol drank in the US is drank by only 10% of the drinkers. They market the idea that a "moderate" drinker has four drinks per night. Four per night is a lot.... not moderate.
All they care about is profits - not your well being, image or success. That is sinister.
But welcome to the modern world - too fucking bad buddy, this is how things are. Deal with it, no use trying to change the system - you're just one little guy. What could you possibly do to change anything? Anything at all? Nothing. Now get me another beer - I have better things to think about, like how cool I am when I am drunk.
This fucking world needs a wakeup call. Advertisers should be shot.
actually this is not so far off. i remember several years ago reading about a satellite that was capable of reflecting one square mile of "daytime quality" sunshine to any place on the globe. It was touted as being a boon for fighting and emergency forces in any given area.
The thing is - and I know that some think of this as trollish flamebait - if they have known about how powerful seeding can be since way back in the 40's - you think there arent some very efficient methods for developing the desired weather patterns these days?
What about the conspiracy write ups of focused EMP weapons that were originally being designed to attack underground installations - but they found that more powerful version actually caused earthquakes.... and that the rumors are that this technology was pusued and refined.
I dont know the validity of any of these claims - but I know that I certainly do not doubt the fact that the Man has some seriously wicked technology that we can only wish to see.
so your saying that google has usurped free cycles from me by making my machine a part of their distributed team when I installed the google bar?!
Was this in the EULA - this should be illegal.
I fired a consultant who setup some FTP servers for our company and had them working on the RC-5 project without our knowledge. (and if I said who this guy was - or the company he worked for - everyone on slashdot would know who I'm talking about)
These things are not good from a professional standpoint.
When I was working in Intel's game lab I had a 52" plasma display that was going to replace the large TV in the corner of the lab for demo's.
before we put it up I had it on my desk for a little while as my monitor. I never had eye problems or headaches until I tried sitting 2 feet from a 52" monitor running quake off the brand spanking new GF2 64.
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"...its up to the users of the dsl service...[]...to read the policies of the company."
Uh, not exactly. I have had SBC DSL for just over a year now, previously it was speakeasy - before that northpoint/covad.
I moved to PacBell DSL when they installed a CO across the street from my house, and they offered higher speeds off their new equipment than whatever speakeasy DSL equipment my line was previously provisioned on....
anyway - I also happen to have and use a yahoo email account. I have had this email account since 1996 or 1997.
I am now seeing a redirection to a FULL SCREEN advertisment from SBC & Yahoo when I log into my account from my home machine.
Basically they check the IP thats logging into the yahoo account - and if its an SBC provisioned IP - they first redirect you to this AD. It sucks.
Yes you can close the AD pretty quickly, but its still bugs me for many many reasons here are some:
1) I never signed up for Yahoo/SBC DSL. So I dont want the ads that people who signed up for this package are subjected to. *Especially* since they signed up at a lower rate than I pay because of the promotion. If they are going to show me these ADs I should pay the same as the Yahoo/SBC DSL subscribers.
2) My account on both SBC/PacBell DSL and Yahoo Mail PREDATES any of these policies - and in some cases predates the *existance* of SBC-PacBell as a merged company. I agreed to certain things when i signed up years ago for Yahoo, but apparently since the laws are so fucked up - if you agree to a contract these days - you also agree that the other party can make any changes, any time for any reason to any part of the contract you agree to - and you are not required to re-examine any terms and re-agree to anything. That's bull shit.
3) There is no switch for me to turn this option off - I wasnt asked if I wanted it - I cant "opt-out". The way I feel is that I should show up to their offices and hit them in the face with a shovel. They didnt opt-out of the shovel in the face program I run.
4) It is pretty much fact that this type of forced marketing doesnt work too well. Show me any users who actually read the ad - and show me the click-through numbers on these ads. Show me the *actual* conversion ratio. I'd bet its not even enough to make the whole effort worth while.
Basically, I would like to see the Yahoo agreement I entered into way back in 1997. I also want to see the SBC agreement I entered from last year - and I want to see if they allow for this sort of thing. I doubt that in '97 the agreement I actually clicked "I Agree" on says that I agree to bend over and get fucked in the ass by any affilate Yahoo ever decides to every do any sort of marketing arangement with.
so its not as simple as saying "its up to the user to read the policies that they agree to with any company"
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Heres something I have been thinking of:
ISP based filters. How many of you would sign up for an ISP that says to sites "we block all ads to our customers except banner ads"
Is it even possible to have a proxy block pop-up ads? if not currently possible - is anyone working on this.
I know that I would sign up for an ISP that blocks stuff like this for me.
As it stands now - I recently get a full page ad when logging into a yahoo mail account from home because I have SBC DSL and a yahoo account that I use. They see the login coming from my SBC IP and then first redirect me to a Yahoo/SBC ad. utter BS.
what do you think? would an anti-ad ISP do well?
hmmm...
What happens when you palce a bunch of old motherboards into it? will it pulverize and separate the components into dust that can be sifted and softed and re-smelted into recycled units?
I think the next big step for this amchine would be the dust sorting mechanism.
here's the problem that i see with "polished"
I jsut got back from disney land a few hours ago.
Here is my take on the "polishing" of Disneyland:
it used to be a theme park. you would go there, eat some candy - ride some rides - and see a few charcters that you loved from disney cartoons.
now space mountain is "brought to you by FedEX" and there are fedex adds all through out the line in the add - and the ride actually exits you right into a store (as does star tours - which is brought to you by enegizer - and there are energizer bunny ads on the walls.)
coca-cola is everywhere. they sell McDonalds from the McDonalds chuck wagon in frontier land. Disney Downtown is a shopping complex and the strollers.
It was an army of families with strollers and nothing but advertisments.
I took my wife there as she had never been before - and it was my birthday. I thought it would be fun for her first time - and a throwback to the more than 15-20 years since I had been there as a kid. BIG mistake. I wont even take our soon to be kids there.
So much for the polished idea of a theme park.
just because something was good years ago - does not mean that any amount of polishing on the idea is going to make it good now. The idea of Disneyland no longer exists. the idea that a good movie from the early 80's can get a decent attempt at a sequel of any number in this day and age without product placement and mechandising rights and affiliations is about as slim.
I heard an interesting thing on KGO radio in san francisco the other day.
There was a guy on who was talking about telemarketing and the laws about do not call lists. The host was asking about why the states dont just flat out make it illegal to call anyone on an opt-out list. And why do some states charge for a number to be put on it.
The telemarketing expert stated that the reason the states dont do as much as the general public thinks it should is due to the fact that telemarketing is a major part of the economy. It employs some six million people and generates more than 12 billion dollars per year.
If they made telemarketing basically illegal - this would cause a massive problem for the economy.
The sad part is that the econmoy is in such a state that fraud and BS business models like telemarketing, although hated, are a necessarry yet cancerous column of stability holding the economy in the (albeit crappy) state its in.
Personally, I think that it would be good for this industry to go away - and force us to build our economy on more ethical and true industries.
Apparently the Matrix was correct - 1999 was the peak of our society.
Seriously. It is so sad that so many have a real malformed idea of what being "human" is.
The world today needs some serious work to become even as good a world is was 30 years ago.
The loss of such important concepts like empathy, compassion, respect (especially respect) allows the sickness and cancerous traits take root in the mind and behaviors of society as a whole. No longer are people concerned about others, and it is so wide spread that we see it expressed in the way corporations and businesses are setup as if conceived and executed by robots - where humans are nothing but a consumable. (hence we are now known as consumers - not because we consume - but rather our resources (money, time, mindshare) and in the end, ourselves - is what is consumed by the machine that is the corporate bottom line and profit margin)
Hopefully some slashdotters out there will take a moment in their illusinal lives to stop and realize that everything outside of yourself, your relationships with the people around you and your attitude towards the current reality is the reality - and the only thing that matters. Otherwise - when moving through your life with your whole focus of being on concepts (and remeber that all that exists - exists as concept. Some manifest in physical form - most manifest in rule of conduct through material life) which are not founded on solid principle, you create a meaningless and illusory reality for yourself, your soul - and all whose life you influence and touch.
Please breath for a minute and try to enlighten and raise another persons life - even for just a moment. Then realise that there is only one moment you ever need to do this in, only one moment you ever need to be mindful of. Now.
I remember playing kings quest way back when - having to load different floppies etc...
That game got me so hooked on computer games i still cant pull myself away.
hmmm.... maybe this isnt a good thing. It's like having nostalgia for my first hit off Whitney's crack pipe. oh wait, she's too rich for crack - and I'm too poor for games these days.
Kirk! You aint got nuthin' on Picard!
Seriously though, these have to be the lamest responses to any ask/. ever.
I wanted to keep it short, so I didnt write in all the details.
I had already been on the line for over a year - and all the emails to them was to determine what the status of my account was now that I had been on the account past the year that I had signed up for.
I was asking them what happened to my account now that i was on there past the one year sign up. I didnt agree to another year, so did that make me month to month by default? did I need to sign up again? what exactly did this mean.
None of the reps knew what to do - some told me flat out (in writing) that yes, I was on month to month, others just ignored my emails several times, others just said they didnt know.
It wasnt until i told them I was leaving due to better service offering that they tried to tell me that just because I signed up for a years contract, and the year was over - that I was still beholden to that contract. I told them they were nuts. A years contract lasts one year. there was no stipulation in the contract for what happened after the year was up - so too bad for them.
I think it boiled down to the fact that DSL was so new to them that they didnt really think of what was going to happen after the year was up when they wrote the contracts up.
But here was the clincher for me: I was never a Speakeasy customer. I had covad/northpoint to begin with. After they imploded - my accoutn was SOLD to speakeasy. They just had a transition/assimilation of my DSL line into their system - and I never signed/agreed to any contract. When they were trying to threaten me by saying that I agreed to their EULA I countered with the fact that I never signed up with them. I was just given no option, either I went to their site for COVAD customer assimilation and got my new IPs - or I lost my line.
I went, there was no EULA on the site, or any form of explaination of services... just a real fast page thrown up to let COVAD northpoint users switch over before the deadline.
anyway... im kinda happy now. my DSL bill is 64.95 and I split that with my roommate...
pacbell can suck my d!ck though... (so can every other telecom bastard on the planet)
nope. that was the price... but like I said this was 99 and 2000 in the colo.
well - speakeasy isnt so great for some customers. I had my DSL through them (covad/northpoint) and when PacBell put a CO in across the street from my house that offered full DSL speeds I wanted to switch (or at least upgrade).
Speakeasy could only offer me sdsl at 128k - for $60/month... PacBell wanted $49 for 1.5/384 adsl.
I wrote them a bunch to find out the terms of my contract - and was told different things by different people. So I decided to leave.
Since I told speakeasy that I was going to leave they were trying to charge me $350 for terminating the contract. I told them no way I was going to pay that. I told them of all the conflicting info I got from all their service reps, and told them that since they couldnt even clearly show me the terms of my service, their claim that there was a termination fee of that size was BS. They said they'd have to bill me for it. I said go ahead and bill me - but there is no way in hell you're ever getting any money from me. I have a better service here - you cant/wont match it, and you want more money for me. We can go to court if you like - but I doubt you would win. They billed me once. I mailed them all the email correspndence I had with them - and they dropped it.
well im no longer setting up dot com ecom sites... but some prices from back in tha day for comparison:
'99 Exodus: 1 rack in a shared cage $900/mo. Bandwidth: $950/Mb/mo.
'00 Qwest: full locked cabinet $800/mo. Bandwidth: $800/Mb/mo.
Just some prices I remember from then... would really like to hear what these same things are going for right now...
a friend of mine who lives there said that the female to male ratio is about 3:1...
That is one reason.
you know, I really think there is something wrong with your viewpoint here. The throw your arms up oh-well attitude is exaclty what we have to fight against.
The reason this crap sontinues is because people have the attitude like the parent post. It is very sad that you just look at something like this and just say "welcome to the modern world" - when what you should be saying is "WTF? is this the modern world that I want to live in - perpetuate and create?" hell no.
An example of how bad marketing is can be found in alcohol advertising - some of the strongest marketing in the world.
michelob: started a marketing campaign some time ago that went like this:
ad 1: [party all taking place in a bottle] "Spend the holidays with Michelob" (I cant remember this exact phrase... but read on)
ad 2: [bunch of guys hanging out] "Make this weekend a Michelob weekend"
ad 3: [guys at a bar] "Put some weekend in your week"
ad 4: [all their new ads] "The night belongs to Michelob"
Now - the thing is that this campaign started with a seemingly not so sinister happy holiday scene (although the party was happening inside a beer bottle) but progressed to promoting partying with Michelob every night.
Another ad had two versions - one marketed towards whites and one towards blacks. The caption on the white version of the Ad said "Be a part of it" - the caption marketed towards blacks said "Forget about the rest"
marketing is very very subtle, powerful and sinister. Why is it sinister?
Take a look at the alcohols margins 50% of all the alcohol drank in the US is drank by only 10% of the drinkers. They market the idea that a "moderate" drinker has four drinks per night. Four per night is a lot.... not moderate.
All they care about is profits - not your well being, image or success. That is sinister.
But welcome to the modern world - too fucking bad buddy, this is how things are. Deal with it, no use trying to change the system - you're just one little guy. What could you possibly do to change anything? Anything at all? Nothing. Now get me another beer - I have better things to think about, like how cool I am when I am drunk.
This fucking world needs a wakeup call. Advertisers should be shot.
actually this is not so far off. i remember several years ago reading about a satellite that was capable of reflecting one square mile of "daytime quality" sunshine to any place on the globe. It was touted as being a boon for fighting and emergency forces in any given area.
The thing is - and I know that some think of this as trollish flamebait - if they have known about how powerful seeding can be since way back in the 40's - you think there arent some very efficient methods for developing the desired weather patterns these days?
What about the conspiracy write ups of focused EMP weapons that were originally being designed to attack underground installations - but they found that more powerful version actually caused earthquakes.... and that the rumors are that this technology was pusued and refined.
I dont know the validity of any of these claims - but I know that I certainly do not doubt the fact that the Man has some seriously wicked technology that we can only wish to see.
i have 802 comments (this one included) - that equals a total of $16.04...
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thats almost 13 shares of VA stock at the going rate...
I want one share of VA stock for ever 10 comments I have on
so your saying that google has usurped free cycles from me by making my machine a part of their distributed team when I installed the google bar?!
Was this in the EULA - this should be illegal.
I fired a consultant who setup some FTP servers for our company and had them working on the RC-5 project without our knowledge. (and if I said who this guy was - or the company he worked for - everyone on slashdot would know who I'm talking about)
These things are not good from a professional standpoint.
Great. But what would be really nice is an HDD in that thing with PVR software for recording from TV to DVD.
And firewire offloading/viewing to a PC...
...to rest... from loneliness.
Thats why emacs sucks. Vi has supported these glasses for years.
When I was working in Intel's game lab I had a 52" plasma display that was going to replace the large TV in the corner of the lab for demo's.
before we put it up I had it on my desk for a little while as my monitor. I never had eye problems or headaches until I tried sitting 2 feet from a 52" monitor running quake off the brand spanking new GF2 64.
talk about eye-wobble.
"Will it let you see the"
The what? Will it let me see the what? maybe you hit Submit to early?
I want to vacuum is more acurate.
Dont even need to say that to a lip reader. Try mouthing it to the hot blonde across the room sometime. Everyone can lip-read that phrase.
It didnt work for VA either....