"Lowest common denominator? Your bigotry is nauseating. Exactly who do you feel deserves your attention?"
Got a lot of flack for that one - but let me clarify - I mean the least in terms of quantity. This I thought was clear, however apparently not.
In no way was I refering to people in a "less" reference.
Another poster says I make points to the ludicrous extreme to make a point, which is ironic considering they take only the lowest common denominator statement to debunk me rather than even attempting to post a well thought out and rational reply.
Its a common debate tactic to use a single statement out of context in attempts to debunk something you dont agree with in lieu of an intelligent rebuttal.
You assume too much regarding my compassion and state of mind.
funny how you try to use a weak insult with comparing me to Helen Keller to make me sound more calous - the truth is that it was only used in a poor attempt to make yourself look and feel superior to me.
Regardless - the analogies I used are just that - analogies, and in no way are intended to reflect real world circumstances, but rather to ellicit a certain frame of reference, in which the original poster claimed that any site not designed around Lynx made the designers bastards. This was a blanket statement that i disagreed with and was contrasting with something like "Any sport that has its rules such that people without arms cant play is designed by bastards!"
Get it? so it may be a farcical image - it works in the context.
well from an architectural standpoint the ADA is in place to ensure equal physical accessibility to physical places to all disabled beings.
here we get into an entirely different debate - becasue we are talking about accessibility to information, rather than meat-space.
now of course the ADA regulates the physical design of your new restaurant - and the ramps, grab bars, toilet placement in relation to the wall and door, hallway width and other physical dimensions and aspects of your building. This is how architectural design for public buildings is regulated. Its understandable.
On the web we are not talking of the physical accessiblity but rather the accessibility to information.
Lets assume we have a website. The website deals with astrophysics and the theories behind black holes and their effects on space time. The primary conveyance of ideas and content on our site is through mathematical equations.
Someone with an IQ of say, 93 comes to our site - we have made it accessible to the blind via text to speach, braile etc... should we also make our content available and accessible to the "mentally disabled" should we be required to put all of our content into a format that the smooth brains can understand?
I am not responsible for the people who want access to my content - so I should not be required to make special considerations for them with regards to ensureing they can actually see.
You may as well ask me to pay for their medical procedures to correct their blindness to ensure they have an equal opportunity to read my blog.
"first off, the ADA only applies to employers allowing disabled persons the same opportunities at work as those without disabilities. you do not have to modify the job at all, and you are not forced to hire people with disabilities over those without them"
No it doesnt. It also governs the design of all buildings. It *requires* that certain buildings be designed around people with disabilities. Almost every aspect of a building has requirements on it with regards to disabled persons.
Reasonable accomodations make sense - otherwise they would not be called "reasonable". The point here is treating the symptom and not the cause.
Cops do have physical requirements on their positions that require that they are fully able to perform within a certain set of guidlines. This would then mean that if a person were able to perform withing the given criteria that they are in essence, not disabled. But seriously - a no-armed person will not become a police officer in the sense we are talking about - they may be able to secure an administrative position - but not a beat position. There is a handicapped wheel-chair bound traffic enforcement officer in Campbell california. and on the back of his wheel-chair is a little "Traffic Enforcment" sign. Haven't noticed if he had a gun though... he has full use of his arms. (and he is an asshole when it comes to parking violations BTW)
Your stateing that the re-design of the cockpit would be unreasonable seems to infer that you were talking about the re-design of an existing cockpit - in which case you would be correct in stating that it would be unreasonable to re-design and re fit. But its another thing to say that lobbying for laws that govern the future design and build of cockpits hold certain design requirements for disabled peoples. And you can be sure that if these types of laws were on the books that there would be some coalition of legless pilots or some such organisation that would be going after legislation to require the retro fitting of cockpits in older planes that they want to fly. Unreasonable - yes, possible, yes.
but the solution is not then to make a law outlining the way that the content should be formatted - but rather to refine the standards and language that we use to create the content in the first place.
This type of law is like taking pain medication to relieve the pain from the vice on your balls, rather than removing the vice in the first place.
The point is that I think it is stupid for *demands* to be made to make other people change their behavior to suit my needs.
The issue is not that there be technology *available* that would allow me to, say, hear slashdot via a text to speach device. The issue is the consideration of laws that would *require* slashdot or any other site to format their page/content in such a manner so as to make it usable with any accessibility device that enables me to comprehendably receive the content.
You can look at the statement as jsut a poor quick joke - or you can read it and think about what it means.
As I stated in my other post - I think that the requiring of any technology to be designed around the few who are different than the population en mass is completely idiotic.
Dont get me wrong - I have nothing against the impaired as it were - but the view on this should be reversed. There should be no requirement on the *content creators* to adhere to some sort of informational accessability law.
It would be one thing for a site to specifically format their content so as to not be accessible to a device for the impaired - but it shouldnt have to comply to some ADA ruling, unless the ADA specs were actually a part of the RFC that specs out a mechanism for forming/making/posting content to any display device (such as HTML browsers or other such programs)
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this is BS.
The web, and the world for that matter, should not be designed around the lowest common denominator.
Yes there are times when you want to consider disabled people in what you're doing - but it should not just be a default requirement. This will lead to people thinking that airplanes should have their cockpits designed around [Insert Disability Here] or any other thing.
Why not have firearms designed for people who have no arms?
The world is designed around people - as they should be. You think that the NBA should be required to modify the rules of basketball to allow people with no arms? No. you wouldn't even consider that - so your statements that "If you can't view it in Lynx, you're a bastard for writing it." is shortsighted (pun intended)
Certain aspects of technology can and should be adapted for people with usability issues - but it should not be one of the fundamental design requirements - unless that is the primary market for said technology.
Once again we see technology imitating the movies. I ahve always waited for the glass stip cards that were shown in 2001, star trek and lots of anime which are processors or portions of.
I am just waiting till I can have the zoom map table from alien and starwars to view detailed maps - or anything else.
I do a lot of CAD work and would love to have a glass CAD table.
Mail was never much more expensive *before* AOL CDs started soming in. If anything it causes more overhead. An increase in volume through the mail system with mail that very vey few people would actually want.
There would be less overhead if AOL would stop sending out so many CDs. The post office would have that much less to worry about.
You know what I do everytime I go to the mailbox and there is spam mail in my slot - I stick it in the Outgoing mail slot.
One time I walked up to the mailbox when the mailman was busy stuffing it full of crap. I asked him if he would please just not put that stuff in my mail box. He said that there is only one way for him to stop putting such mail that is addressed to "So & So OR Current Resident" and other spammings such as the coupon newspapers and pizza offers - get a P.O. Box.
PMBs are apparently the only thing where there is regulation limiting the unsolicited mailings that are allowed.
Supported by the USPO. My friend just changed his address, and in changing his address the Post Office sends you a "Welcome to your new Address" package thing. Inside of it was an AOL 1000 free hours disk - with "welcome to your new address" or some such slogan printed on it.
Lame. I dont need the post office advertising my new address to companies (dont knwo if it actually does that though)
But what if you changed email addresses or ISPs and the new ISP or email provider would then send you a welcome email, and you would also receive a bunch of other spam emails from spammers saying "Welcome to your new Email account. Get a bigger penis free by clicking here"
I did this through SE Asia for four months. When I started i had a sizeable budget, however when I was in thailand I stayed on koh phangan for a month for $250 - which included all my meal all my beer and my bungalow.
Hostels and bungalows is the way to go (just be sure to get a proper toilet)
You could always work for the russian mafia - setting up compiter systems to protect their international sex slavery ring from the meddling feds. I hear its good pay, until......
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"Lowest common denominator? Your bigotry is nauseating. Exactly who do you feel deserves your attention?"
Got a lot of flack for that one - but let me clarify - I mean the least in terms of quantity. This I thought was clear, however apparently not.
In no way was I refering to people in a "less" reference.
Another poster says I make points to the ludicrous extreme to make a point, which is ironic considering they take only the lowest common denominator statement to debunk me rather than even attempting to post a well thought out and rational reply.
Its a common debate tactic to use a single statement out of context in attempts to debunk something you dont agree with in lieu of an intelligent rebuttal.
You assume too much regarding my compassion and state of mind.
funny how you try to use a weak insult with comparing me to Helen Keller to make me sound more calous - the truth is that it was only used in a poor attempt to make yourself look and feel superior to me.
Regardless - the analogies I used are just that - analogies, and in no way are intended to reflect real world circumstances, but rather to ellicit a certain frame of reference, in which the original poster claimed that any site not designed around Lynx made the designers bastards. This was a blanket statement that i disagreed with and was contrasting with something like "Any sport that has its rules such that people without arms cant play is designed by bastards!"
Get it? so it may be a farcical image - it works in the context.
well from an architectural standpoint the ADA is in place to ensure equal physical accessibility to physical places to all disabled beings.
here we get into an entirely different debate - becasue we are talking about accessibility to information, rather than meat-space.
now of course the ADA regulates the physical design of your new restaurant - and the ramps, grab bars, toilet placement in relation to the wall and door, hallway width and other physical dimensions and aspects of your building. This is how architectural design for public buildings is regulated. Its understandable.
On the web we are not talking of the physical accessiblity but rather the accessibility to information.
Lets assume we have a website. The website deals with astrophysics and the theories behind black holes and their effects on space time. The primary conveyance of ideas and content on our site is through mathematical equations.
Someone with an IQ of say, 93 comes to our site - we have made it accessible to the blind via text to speach, braile etc... should we also make our content available and accessible to the "mentally disabled" should we be required to put all of our content into a format that the smooth brains can understand?
I am not responsible for the people who want access to my content - so I should not be required to make special considerations for them with regards to ensureing they can actually see.
You may as well ask me to pay for their medical procedures to correct their blindness to ensure they have an equal opportunity to read my blog.
"first off, the ADA only applies to employers allowing disabled persons the same opportunities at work as those without disabilities. you do not have to modify the job at all, and you are not forced to hire people with disabilities over those without them"
No it doesnt. It also governs the design of all buildings. It *requires* that certain buildings be designed around people with disabilities. Almost every aspect of a building has requirements on it with regards to disabled persons.
Reasonable accomodations make sense - otherwise they would not be called "reasonable". The point here is treating the symptom and not the cause.
Cops do have physical requirements on their positions that require that they are fully able to perform within a certain set of guidlines. This would then mean that if a person were able to perform withing the given criteria that they are in essence, not disabled. But seriously - a no-armed person will not become a police officer in the sense we are talking about - they may be able to secure an administrative position - but not a beat position. There is a handicapped wheel-chair bound traffic enforcement officer in Campbell california. and on the back of his wheel-chair is a little "Traffic Enforcment" sign. Haven't noticed if he had a gun though... he has full use of his arms. (and he is an asshole when it comes to parking violations BTW)
Your stateing that the re-design of the cockpit would be unreasonable seems to infer that you were talking about the re-design of an existing cockpit - in which case you would be correct in stating that it would be unreasonable to re-design and re fit. But its another thing to say that lobbying for laws that govern the future design and build of cockpits hold certain design requirements for disabled peoples. And you can be sure that if these types of laws were on the books that there would be some coalition of legless pilots or some such organisation that would be going after legislation to require the retro fitting of cockpits in older planes that they want to fly. Unreasonable - yes, possible, yes.
but the solution is not then to make a law outlining the way that the content should be formatted - but rather to refine the standards and language that we use to create the content in the first place.
This type of law is like taking pain medication to relieve the pain from the vice on your balls, rather than removing the vice in the first place.
that wasnt the point.
The point is that I think it is stupid for *demands* to be made to make other people change their behavior to suit my needs.
The issue is not that there be technology *available* that would allow me to, say, hear slashdot via a text to speach device. The issue is the consideration of laws that would *require* slashdot or any other site to format their page/content in such a manner so as to make it usable with any accessibility device that enables me to comprehendably receive the content.
You can look at the statement as jsut a poor quick joke - or you can read it and think about what it means.
As I stated in my other post - I think that the requiring of any technology to be designed around the few who are different than the population en mass is completely idiotic.
Dont get me wrong - I have nothing against the impaired as it were - but the view on this should be reversed. There should be no requirement on the *content creators* to adhere to some sort of informational accessability law.
It would be one thing for a site to specifically format their content so as to not be accessible to a device for the impaired - but it shouldnt have to comply to some ADA ruling, unless the ADA specs were actually a part of the RFC that specs out a mechanism for forming/making/posting content to any display device (such as HTML browsers or other such programs)
this is BS.
The web, and the world for that matter, should not be designed around the lowest common denominator.
Yes there are times when you want to consider disabled people in what you're doing - but it should not just be a default requirement. This will lead to people thinking that airplanes should have their cockpits designed around [Insert Disability Here] or any other thing.
Why not have firearms designed for people who have no arms?
The world is designed around people - as they should be. You think that the NBA should be required to modify the rules of basketball to allow people with no arms? No. you wouldn't even consider that - so your statements that "If you can't view it in Lynx, you're a bastard for writing it." is shortsighted (pun intended)
Certain aspects of technology can and should be adapted for people with usability issues - but it should not be one of the fundamental design requirements - unless that is the primary market for said technology.
I demand Slashdot offer a braile version.
some forms of glass that were used in old windows did in fact change shape i.e. flow over time - causing rippling in their surface.
Yeah so when they have circuitry on skin, they will no longer be called orgys.
more like:
Hey, ladies - imagine coming over to my place and having a beowolf cluster of us?
yeah, then some jokester will come along and inject food coloring into your monitors heat sink when you're not looking.
Once again we see technology imitating the movies. I ahve always waited for the glass stip cards that were shown in 2001, star trek and lots of anime which are processors or portions of.
I am just waiting till I can have the zoom map table from alien and starwars to view detailed maps - or anything else.
I do a lot of CAD work and would love to have a glass CAD table.
...has licensed the tech for their latest processor code named Transparent.
You just cant imagine - like the poster said
Let me re-word that in non tech terms;
Cathy, What's your favorite way to screw?
huh? what productive work? You mean by the marketing departments?
I assume that the goernment is already out to get them - by getting their site slashdotted they are saying "Down with the separatists! [website]"
I'm a space pilot,
Short and fat.
Here is my eyepatch here is my bat.
When I pull the trigger,
The bat - it Shoots.
Now down on your knees, and lick my boots.
god that thing is cool looking.
Automotive industry take note. If you want to sell shitloads of cars - make em look as cool as this thing.
Thats what i want my moller car to look like.
a *third* leg? You mean a First leg dont you?
Thats BS.
Mail was never much more expensive *before* AOL CDs started soming in. If anything it causes more overhead. An increase in volume through the mail system with mail that very vey few people would actually want.
There would be less overhead if AOL would stop sending out so many CDs. The post office would have that much less to worry about.
You know what I do everytime I go to the mailbox and there is spam mail in my slot - I stick it in the Outgoing mail slot.
One time I walked up to the mailbox when the mailman was busy stuffing it full of crap. I asked him if he would please just not put that stuff in my mail box. He said that there is only one way for him to stop putting such mail that is addressed to "So & So OR Current Resident" and other spammings such as the coupon newspapers and pizza offers - get a P.O. Box.
PMBs are apparently the only thing where there is regulation limiting the unsolicited mailings that are allowed.
Supported by the USPO. My friend just changed his address, and in changing his address the Post Office sends you a "Welcome to your new Address" package thing. Inside of it was an AOL 1000 free hours disk - with "welcome to your new address" or some such slogan printed on it.
Lame. I dont need the post office advertising my new address to companies (dont knwo if it actually does that though)
But what if you changed email addresses or ISPs and the new ISP or email provider would then send you a welcome email, and you would also receive a bunch of other spam emails from spammers saying "Welcome to your new Email account. Get a bigger penis free by clicking here"
I hope AOL eats it.
I concur indeed!
I did this through SE Asia for four months. When I started i had a sizeable budget, however when I was in thailand I stayed on koh phangan for a month for $250 - which included all my meal all my beer and my bungalow.
Hostels and bungalows is the way to go (just be sure to get a proper toilet)
ARMY: (Army of one FPS v1.0)
set sidearm = 1
set MaxAmmo = 9999
set AllowCamping = 1
set RespawnCount = 0
No thanks!
You could always work for the russian mafia - setting up compiter systems to protect their international sex slavery ring from the meddling feds. I hear its good pay, until......
Ya but you can have sex on it... if you have a girlfriend, latex or otherwise I guess.