Hmmmm sounds fishy to me. basically any license that is put out and you agree to does not make it so that they can change the terms of that license in the future and make you responsible to adhering to it.
So all the softwarethat was written previously where there was no license fees should be in the free and clear.
thats like leasing a car - and when you sign the lease it states that you are responsible for paying.05 per mile over your allotted 12K miles per year. then when you turn the car in the now say you have to pay 1.00 per mile - saying that the license has changed....
I have been discussing this sort of thing with my co-worker for a little while now. I call it "Bureaucracy of Mediocrity"
Basically the reason why we have such a fscked up situation with the way that the world is run is due to the fact that the mediocre minds have worked to get their ineptitudes hidden by the red tape of Bureaucracy. This means that they continually put in place asinine policies so as to hide the fact that in truth they are doing nothing.
Laws and rules and policies are put into place that do nothing (for the greater good) and have no real requirement in a world where logic, true reason and common sense exist in the populous, other than to give the "lawmaker" something to make him feel like he is accomplishing something. (Really only to keep the gub'mint paychecks coming)
This is a problem that creates a compounding system of problems as it goes on. It is one of the reasons that governments need periodic flushing (revolutions) in order to keep "reality" healthy.
The other issue is the population. It is said that there are now more people alive than have ever been alive in history (put together?) - well if this is the case, then the ratio of high minded and truly intellectual thinkers is much lower now than it has been. You get more and more people with the inability to think (most people think they think - but truly do not) and the signal to noise ratio of real thought as opposed to garbage thought is sickeningly low.
Anyway - I have to get back to work... but I think you know what I mean.
I was just discussing forming the PFD "Pre-Emptive Fire Department" yesterday with some friends.
We would show up to buidings and put out fires pre-emptively by spraying the whole site down with water - to ensure that no fires were going to happen. Then demand payment from the owner for preventing disaster.
I thought we wernt sposed to give into the tradition. now not only do you want us to get diamonds for our fiance's to be - you want us to turn our loved ones into engagement rings!
at least these people arent using slave labor and children. just dead family members.
This quote from the anti-piracy PSAs in movie theatres article is way to save the children for my taste:
"downloading movies instead of buying a ticket or a video would hurt the industry's behind-the-scenes workers, including makeup artists and custodians"
Now I am not advocating theft of their property - what I am upset about is the rampant attempts by media to skew your opinions on a subject with emotional connections. Iknow I know... its *always* been happening - but these days it is so much worse than it ever was before - as the causes that the media is used to convey information for are more and more plastic and manufactured.
the media is continually trying to sway public opinion through emotional manipulation. Putting you in a position where if you dont agree with the opinion or dont have the emotions they want you to then you're automatically a terrorist - or hate the children etc....
(I know I am not articulating this as well as I would like... but I think that you get the point) I am just so tired of the slant that is put on all the information out there. Is there no place that I can get information - generic and straight forward without the emotinal buzzwords and hyperbole??
oh *I* have to supply the DHCP addy to the vonage device... no problem.... if they ever answer their phone - I might actually join them. are you making a referal commision?
sounds like you should make your own direct connection... especially since you are primarily talking to one person over there.
go get two linejacks from quicknet.com (or phonejacks which are PCMCIA)
set them up as direct gateways - and you can call from your machine to her machine - and since they have DSPs built onand rather good software (even linux drivers) the quality will be pretty good.
although their managment sucks - their products are actually not bad.
otherwise see if that mail order bride company has one ready with her green card...
not true. DSL runs over copper wire. the only association with the phone number is for billing purposes - which makes it totally arbitrary - in that Phone companies in the past have lost law suits to people who were buying "alarm lines" (a pair of blank copper wires) between buildings and running DSL over them. the phone companies got pissed because that is an area they like to charge for...
so - my phone lines having dialtone run over them is *not* a requirement for me to have DSL. hence the possibility of a class action law suit claiming that PACBELL is unfairly tieing the to services together. kinda like MS and IE.
I just called them to talk to them about their service... it says that their business hours at 8am to pm monday - friday.... (it is currently 4pm in SF) when I called, it rang a bunch and said that they were not available to take my call and suggested that I call during their normal business hours.
what I wanted to know - which neither you nor they talk about, and what I have mentioned in a previous post - is that SBC/PACBELL *requires* that I maintain a phone with "basic monthly service" (dialtone) in order to have DSL. this means that if I were to sign up for vonage I would have the following bills:
phone: 10.69 (says its the "flat rate service" - its actually 19.10 for me after adding caller id and anon call reject) DSL: 64.95 - I have statics - it seems you cant have static ips for vonage? vonage: 40.00
==115.00/month about for phone.
that sounds cool - but when I look at my current bill from sprint 5 cents anytime for 2 months of usage: 58.00
thats 2 months of calling... so it doesnt really work out. however I ****HHAATTEE**** phone companies (they are all theives) so that is my major incentive for switching.
but what I want to know is how the one guy setup the free nationwide calling from payphones through vonage - that sounds like something i definitely want to try...
I was going to do that as well... but pacbell/sbc *requires* that you maintain "basic monthly service" on a telephone in order to be "eligible" for DSL.... pricks.
hmm.... anyone want to join a class action law suit against pacbell / sbc with me?
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Hmmmm sounds fishy to me. basically any license that is put out and you agree to does not make it so that they can change the terms of that license in the future and make you responsible to adhering to it.
.05 per mile over your allotted 12K miles per year. then when you turn the car in the now say you have to pay 1.00 per mile - saying that the license has changed....
So all the softwarethat was written previously where there was no license fees should be in the free and clear.
thats like leasing a car - and when you sign the lease it states that you are responsible for paying
so are these what you pulled from your c:\my documents\irc.log and your latest thread with mom? I highly doubt you just made all that up on the spot ;)
"Personally I find their lack of force disturbing"
I have been discussing this sort of thing with my co-worker for a little while now. I call it "Bureaucracy of Mediocrity"
Basically the reason why we have such a fscked up situation with the way that the world is run is due to the fact that the mediocre minds have worked to get their ineptitudes hidden by the red tape of Bureaucracy. This means that they continually put in place asinine policies so as to hide the fact that in truth they are doing nothing.
Laws and rules and policies are put into place that do nothing (for the greater good) and have no real requirement in a world where logic, true reason and common sense exist in the populous, other than to give the "lawmaker" something to make him feel like he is accomplishing something. (Really only to keep the gub'mint paychecks coming)
This is a problem that creates a compounding system of problems as it goes on. It is one of the reasons that governments need periodic flushing (revolutions) in order to keep "reality" healthy.
The other issue is the population. It is said that there are now more people alive than have ever been alive in history (put together?) - well if this is the case, then the ratio of high minded and truly intellectual thinkers is much lower now than it has been. You get more and more people with the inability to think (most people think they think - but truly do not) and the signal to noise ratio of real thought as opposed to garbage thought is sickeningly low.
Anyway - I have to get back to work... but I think you know what I mean.
I was just discussing forming the PFD "Pre-Emptive Fire Department" yesterday with some friends.
We would show up to buidings and put out fires pre-emptively by spraying the whole site down with water - to ensure that no fires were going to happen. Then demand payment from the owner for preventing disaster.
Looks better on paper I guess....
whomever mod'd this as a troll should be shot in the head!
of course not... we've known all along - its Canada!
I can levitate birds..... but nobody cares.
has a picture of a kid with his grandpa - they are smiling. happy..... for now. little does that kid know. poor, poor kid. time is running out.
lifegem.... how about deathjewel
GAH!!! CALL THE COPS!! Someone has gone and stoled PA!!!
wow we have 600K registered users now. and I thought 512K was enough for everybody.
is that where your sig comes from then? look in the basement. sssshhhh.....
I thought we wernt sposed to give into the tradition. now not only do you want us to get diamonds for our fiance's to be - you want us to turn our loved ones into engagement rings!
at least these people arent using slave labor and children. just dead family members.
I for one would not wear any of these... spooky.
and if you thought some diamonds carried curses before!
The guy who made that mech in his back yard - find the link yourself... should buy this and build it into a mech as the cockpit.
then all he would have to do is work on getting the controls to actually move the thing around.
Great for the upcoming Playboy spread: Babes of Nasa!
oh, wait.....
ya but I dont care about landing or taking off.... just flying it. although the time limit might help some.
This quote from the anti-piracy PSAs in movie theatres article is way to save the children for my taste:
"downloading movies instead of buying a ticket or a video would hurt the industry's behind-the-scenes workers, including makeup artists and custodians"
Now I am not advocating theft of their property - what I am upset about is the rampant attempts by media to skew your opinions on a subject with emotional connections. Iknow I know... its *always* been happening - but these days it is so much worse than it ever was before - as the causes that the media is used to convey information for are more and more plastic and manufactured.
the media is continually trying to sway public opinion through emotional manipulation. Putting you in a position where if you dont agree with the opinion or dont have the emotions they want you to then you're automatically a terrorist - or hate the children etc....
(I know I am not articulating this as well as I would like... but I think that you get the point) I am just so tired of the slant that is put on all the information out there. Is there no place that I can get information - generic and straight forward without the emotinal buzzwords and hyperbole??
oh *I* have to supply the DHCP addy to the vonage device... no problem.... if they ever answer their phone - I might actually join them. are you making a referal commision?
media corrupt!
reboot reality? yes.
opening source files..................
sounds like you should make your own direct connection... especially since you are primarily talking to one person over there.
:P
go get two linejacks from quicknet.com (or phonejacks which are PCMCIA)
set them up as direct gateways - and you can call from your machine to her machine - and since they have DSPs built onand rather good software (even linux drivers) the quality will be pretty good.
although their managment sucks - their products are actually not bad.
otherwise see if that mail order bride company has one ready with her green card...
just kidding
good luck.
not true. DSL runs over copper wire. the only association with the phone number is for billing purposes - which makes it totally arbitrary - in that Phone companies in the past have lost law suits to people who were buying "alarm lines" (a pair of blank copper wires) between buildings and running DSL over them. the phone companies got pissed because that is an area they like to charge for...
so - my phone lines having dialtone run over them is *not* a requirement for me to have DSL. hence the possibility of a class action law suit claiming that PACBELL is unfairly tieing the to services together. kinda like MS and IE.
I just called them to talk to them about their service... it says that their business hours at 8am to pm monday - friday.... (it is currently 4pm in SF) when I called, it rang a bunch and said that they were not available to take my call and suggested that I call during their normal business hours.
what I wanted to know - which neither you nor they talk about, and what I have mentioned in a previous post - is that SBC/PACBELL *requires* that I maintain a phone with "basic monthly service" (dialtone) in order to have DSL. this means that if I were to sign up for vonage I would have the following bills:
phone: 10.69 (says its the "flat rate service" - its actually 19.10 for me after adding caller id and anon call reject)
DSL: 64.95 - I have statics - it seems you cant have static ips for vonage?
vonage: 40.00
==115.00/month about for phone.
that sounds cool - but when I look at my current bill from sprint 5 cents anytime for 2 months of usage: 58.00
thats 2 months of calling... so it doesnt really work out. however I ****HHAATTEE**** phone companies (they are all theives) so that is my major incentive for switching.
but what I want to know is how the one guy setup the free nationwide calling from payphones through vonage - that sounds like something i definitely want to try...
I was going to do that as well... but pacbell/sbc *requires* that you maintain "basic monthly service" on a telephone in order to be "eligible" for DSL.... pricks.
hmm.... anyone want to join a class action law suit against pacbell / sbc with me?
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