i think it's important to note that the cube and newton were not bad ideas by any means. the newton led the pda revolution, and the cube is damn near the same thing as the mini. they were both wonderful devices.
the point that we have to realize is that some of apple's significant failures, such as the cube and newton, were products of bad timing. the market was simply not ready for those devices, particularly at the price point they were at. apple was still innovating, but we didn't see the rewards until later (in some cases other companies such as palm, etc, and in other cases we see apple winning now with the mini).
it's the same reason why NeXT failed but OS X is succeeding, bad timing.
microsoft is simply doing what they always do. they are waiting, and letting others do the work. it's what they did in the first place with the web browser; they let netscape build the browser that people wanted, then they took the ideas and built their own and shoved it into the face of the masses with the os. same thing they did with their whole f'n os back in the day.
they're doing it again. they won the browser war, now they are backing off and letting the mozilla organization pave the way with new browser features. then in time, they'll take their $ and development team, build all those features into a new IE, and shove it back in people's faces, and *poof* other browsers will go away again.
for christ's sake, people on even this site will still put down mac os x, even tho it's laughable to even compare mac os x to windows anymore.
reading through this thread i notice people constantly noting our 'cultural differences' with japan as the cause for our lack in gadgetry. when you think of japan, yes, you think of a 'culture.' they are a defined nation who live a certain way. now think of european cultures, the french, the german, etc, once again they are all defined. now think of american culture. can you think of anything positive in it? we lack a culture, because this country is simply too mixed, and too large, to have any kind of definition.
i'm sure we have a large population of gadget and fashion obsessed individuals who wish to express themselves by how they look and what they carry, i'm one of them. but there's too many bush lovin' country rednecks out there too.
i'm starting to forget the point i was trying to make, but it's somewhere along the lines of... there's too many people in this country with varying cultures themselves, spread out in this vast land, for there to be enough demand to market a product to this entire huge ass country. it simply not not needed for america as a whole, like it or not.
i for one am deathly afraid of george w. bush and what he has already done, and what he will do to this country. if you can't see that you're already brainwashed and bush has succeeded.
wouldn't it be utterly amusing if for once, all of us looked at an article like this, got our own little chuckle, and didn't even post at all to show what a crock of shit it is:)
really now, how many people have made a web based version of this already where we don't have to bother with installing an application. and as for the design of the site and the product, i'm sure there are plenty of skilled designers out there who would give them a helping hand, because they sure need it.
os x was a complete rehaul, not some ui tweaks and a new name. it's a completely different os, its nextstep evolved. the leap is more comparable to win 3.11 -> win 95, have you seen ms take any leaps like that since then?
with pc's as fast as they are anymore, they need to put some major work into longhorn to ensure enough bloat so that everyone will need a new machine. i mean, do you think they'd be crazy like apple and optimize their code or something? c'mon now...
alright now, i think we all know the reason why people are scared to bring macs into the workplace. i look around my office, and over half of the dolts here can't even figure out a variety of basic actions on their windows pc's - the same os these individuals have been running for years. what do you think these people would do when a completely new os was shoved in their face? the problem with people like this is they do not want to learn, and you know i'm right.
these are the same people that are your relatives that have pc problems, and you go to fix their computer and they look like it as its some magical instrument that only you can repair, they don't want to know how to do things themselves. if people could get some brains, they could try a different os and see that it's better and much easier to use. i'm a mac user, but i have to have a mac and a pc at work, b/c i do.net work, and i'm not about to try all that mono shit.
i agree with them being major upgrades, and can see your logic in saying that it is OS XII, but one thing we all have to notice is that our notion of OS true "upgrades" is warped by the likes of microsoft. they simply bloat their code, change the ui a bit, and add some more features on. but what apple has done has created a nearly perfect user interface [that steve worked on at NeXT for years and years], and now they are doing what they should be doing - optimizing the existing codebase, and then tacking on new revolutionary features. so they're sticking with name X, because it "looks" the same and microsoft has taught us that changing the UI means major upgrade.
i believe the g4 400 had 1 meg of L2 cache on the chip, so i'm surprised 10.2 is running too sluggish on the box. how much RAM do you have installed? i have a g4 400 powermac with 768 mb of RAM at home, and have been running os x since 10.0, and every single major update has made the machine significantly faster. what an insane and crazy idea in OS development, code optimization instead of bloat!
also, the onboard video in the original Ti may hold u back a bit, and cause the machine to be visually sluggish, altho its actually performing quite well. try compiling a shitload of source.
that's the way it goes dood, real apple consumers know this, and we all hate it, but we don't really bitch about it. if i were you, and just spent 3k on hardware, i'd download myself a free copy of acquisition, and go lookin for panther, and you might find it at a sufficient discount;)
sure, everyone of us can come up with a variety of excuses for why extremely violent and realistic games should be made. responsibility, personal accountability, parenting, etc. etc. and you know what, you're right. in a perfect world, you're all correct, but, everyone lacks to see the fact that we do not live in a perfect world. in fact, we don't live in anything remotely close to a perfect world.
does anyone live close to a ghetto or underdeveloped area? well i do, and when i stop by the local gamestop to pick up a new gamecube game, i constantly see little hoodlum children running around like animals, while their parents do nothing. these same children blab on and on about how they want grand theft auto so they can shoot people and steal things. most of these children's parents obviously don't give a shit about what their children are doing. and sorry everyone, they aren't going to change. these children do not need simulated crime in their life, because it's basically going to be training them for the real thing, cuz they really don't have much guidance out there, and we no matter how much we'd like to change that, we can't.
so for once, i back away from my normally liberal views, and say we don't need this shit.
You still have to remove/replace the cartridge and turn it on/off. But then, you have to do that with a GBA, too!
yes, but see, i don't try to talk to people or wait for calls on my gameboy advance. the gba also does not have boot sequence to run through since it is simply loading cartridge runtime data.
i don't necessarily agree that changing the game is the most important feature they screwed up. i think their design team was so absolutely pitiful that they managed to screw everything up on an equal level. i have both a background in both the geek and design worlds, and i just can't wait to watch this thing bomb.
sorry nokia, no matter how much $ you pump out to the media to to support this thing, and $ to developers to make games, if they don't make any money off of you in the end, you're screwed. and anyone with some common sense isn't going to buy this piece of garbage. really, just look at, the product design does nothing for the senses. when i see an ipod, or a gameboy advance, i instinctively know that something interesting and useful is in my hands. good physical product design is one of the most important and first steps of development after the idea stage, and without a good foundation there, you're screwed. ok enough of my ranting. go nokia!
well nielson's definition of usability isn't considered a standard. but anyways, xhtml/css pages done using completely standards compliant css will not display correctly in an old browser. that is the point being stated here.
sure... i wanna see you code some of the designs that get thrown at me, in code without tables. some people in this world have a great respect for design. sadly in america a vast majority do not.
actually jeffrey did give another method, by using the iframe tag, which old browsers recognize. simply put:
<iframe class="ahem">
<big>Please
<a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/yourpage.html"
title="Upgrading your browser will
help you enjoy the Web.">
upgrade</a> to a browser
that supports web standards.
</big> </iframe>
in your code and it will display this on old browsers. no js needed:)
well sorry but some of us see the web as more than a simple content delivery tool. i'm not bitching at you if thats all you want it for. thats fine. but open up your damn mind to the rest of us. you're probably another american who has no respect for the arts at all. the web is the new forum for the artists of the 21st century. and by upgrading your old browser, you can still get your content, plus designers can do their jobs, and everyone will be happy.
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i think it's important to note that the cube and newton were not bad ideas by any means. the newton led the pda revolution, and the cube is damn near the same thing as the mini. they were both wonderful devices.
the point that we have to realize is that some of apple's significant failures, such as the cube and newton, were products of bad timing. the market was simply not ready for those devices, particularly at the price point they were at. apple was still innovating, but we didn't see the rewards until later (in some cases other companies such as palm, etc, and in other cases we see apple winning now with the mini).
it's the same reason why NeXT failed but OS X is succeeding, bad timing.
microsoft is simply doing what they always do. they are waiting, and letting others do the work. it's what they did in the first place with the web browser; they let netscape build the browser that people wanted, then they took the ideas and built their own and shoved it into the face of the masses with the os. same thing they did with their whole f'n os back in the day.
they're doing it again. they won the browser war, now they are backing off and letting the mozilla organization pave the way with new browser features. then in time, they'll take their $ and development team, build all those features into a new IE, and shove it back in people's faces, and *poof* other browsers will go away again.
for christ's sake, people on even this site will still put down mac os x, even tho it's laughable to even compare mac os x to windows anymore.
iTunes takes a long time to get used to
are you f'n serious? after reading that, your post becomes invalid.
reading through this thread i notice people constantly noting our 'cultural differences' with japan as the cause for our lack in gadgetry. when you think of japan, yes, you think of a 'culture.' they are a defined nation who live a certain way. now think of european cultures, the french, the german, etc, once again they are all defined. now think of american culture. can you think of anything positive in it? we lack a culture, because this country is simply too mixed, and too large, to have any kind of definition.
i'm sure we have a large population of gadget and fashion obsessed individuals who wish to express themselves by how they look and what they carry, i'm one of them. but there's too many bush lovin' country rednecks out there too.
i'm starting to forget the point i was trying to make, but it's somewhere along the lines of... there's too many people in this country with varying cultures themselves, spread out in this vast land, for there to be enough demand to market a product to this entire huge ass country. it simply not not needed for america as a whole, like it or not.
i for one am deathly afraid of george w. bush and what he has already done, and what he will do to this country. if you can't see that you're already brainwashed and bush has succeeded.
wake up.
...as programming the american public to be a bunch of scared sheep to vote for you.
moogle?
kupo!!
wouldn't it be utterly amusing if for once, all of us looked at an article like this, got our own little chuckle, and didn't even post at all to show what a crock of shit it is :)
really now, how many people have made a web based version of this already where we don't have to bother with installing an application. and as for the design of the site and the product, i'm sure there are plenty of skilled designers out there who would give them a helping hand, because they sure need it.
os x was a complete rehaul, not some ui tweaks and a new name. it's a completely different os, its nextstep evolved. the leap is more comparable to win 3.11 -> win 95, have you seen ms take any leaps like that since then?
with pc's as fast as they are anymore, they need to put some major work into longhorn to ensure enough bloat so that everyone will need a new machine. i mean, do you think they'd be crazy like apple and optimize their code or something? c'mon now...
alright now, i think we all know the reason why people are scared to bring macs into the workplace. i look around my office, and over half of the dolts here can't even figure out a variety of basic actions on their windows pc's - the same os these individuals have been running for years. what do you think these people would do when a completely new os was shoved in their face? the problem with people like this is they do not want to learn, and you know i'm right.
.net work, and i'm not about to try all that mono shit.
these are the same people that are your relatives that have pc problems, and you go to fix their computer and they look like it as its some magical instrument that only you can repair, they don't want to know how to do things themselves. if people could get some brains, they could try a different os and see that it's better and much easier to use. i'm a mac user, but i have to have a mac and a pc at work, b/c i do
i agree with them being major upgrades, and can see your logic in saying that it is OS XII, but one thing we all have to notice is that our notion of OS true "upgrades" is warped by the likes of microsoft. they simply bloat their code, change the ui a bit, and add some more features on. but what apple has done has created a nearly perfect user interface [that steve worked on at NeXT for years and years], and now they are doing what they should be doing - optimizing the existing codebase, and then tacking on new revolutionary features. so they're sticking with name X, because it "looks" the same and microsoft has taught us that changing the UI means major upgrade.
i believe the g4 400 had 1 meg of L2 cache on the chip, so i'm surprised 10.2 is running too sluggish on the box. how much RAM do you have installed? i have a g4 400 powermac with 768 mb of RAM at home, and have been running os x since 10.0, and every single major update has made the machine significantly faster. what an insane and crazy idea in OS development, code optimization instead of bloat!
also, the onboard video in the original Ti may hold u back a bit, and cause the machine to be visually sluggish, altho its actually performing quite well. try compiling a shitload of source.
that's the way it goes dood, real apple consumers know this, and we all hate it, but we don't really bitch about it. if i were you, and just spent 3k on hardware, i'd download myself a free copy of acquisition, and go lookin for panther, and you might find it at a sufficient discount ;)
sure, everyone of us can come up with a variety of excuses for why extremely violent and realistic games should be made. responsibility, personal accountability, parenting, etc. etc. and you know what, you're right. in a perfect world, you're all correct, but, everyone lacks to see the fact that we do not live in a perfect world. in fact, we don't live in anything remotely close to a perfect world.
does anyone live close to a ghetto or underdeveloped area? well i do, and when i stop by the local gamestop to pick up a new gamecube game, i constantly see little hoodlum children running around like animals, while their parents do nothing. these same children blab on and on about how they want grand theft auto so they can shoot people and steal things. most of these children's parents obviously don't give a shit about what their children are doing. and sorry everyone, they aren't going to change. these children do not need simulated crime in their life, because it's basically going to be training them for the real thing, cuz they really don't have much guidance out there, and we no matter how much we'd like to change that, we can't.
so for once, i back away from my normally liberal views, and say we don't need this shit.
You still have to remove/replace the cartridge and turn it on/off. But then, you have to do that with a GBA, too!
yes, but see, i don't try to talk to people or wait for calls on my gameboy advance. the gba also does not have boot sequence to run through since it is simply loading cartridge runtime data.
i don't necessarily agree that changing the game is the most important feature they screwed up. i think their design team was so absolutely pitiful that they managed to screw everything up on an equal level. i have both a background in both the geek and design worlds, and i just can't wait to watch this thing bomb.
sorry nokia, no matter how much $ you pump out to the media to to support this thing, and $ to developers to make games, if they don't make any money off of you in the end, you're screwed. and anyone with some common sense isn't going to buy this piece of garbage. really, just look at, the product design does nothing for the senses. when i see an ipod, or a gameboy advance, i instinctively know that something interesting and useful is in my hands. good physical product design is one of the most important and first steps of development after the idea stage, and without a good foundation there, you're screwed. ok enough of my ranting. go nokia!
the site's redirecting to localhost... fine t3kn1q.
well nielson's definition of usability isn't considered a standard. but anyways, xhtml/css pages done using completely standards compliant css will not display correctly in an old browser. that is the point being stated here.
:)
thank you for saying something intelligent
why do people upgrade their kernel? sorry everyone but technology evolves and we evolve with it.
sure... i wanna see you code some of the designs that get thrown at me, in code without tables. some people in this world have a great respect for design. sadly in america a vast majority do not.
you're the fucking moron. if you're so sure of yourself go look at the page.
www.alistapart.com
it doesn't use javascript
actually jeffrey did give another method, by using the iframe tag, which old browsers recognize. simply put:
:)
<iframe class="ahem">
<big>Please <a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/yourpage.html"
title="Upgrading your browser will help you enjoy the Web."> upgrade</a>
to a browser that supports web standards. </big>
</iframe>
in your code and it will display this on old browsers. no js needed
well sorry but some of us see the web as more than a simple content delivery tool. i'm not bitching at you if thats all you want it for. thats fine. but open up your damn mind to the rest of us. you're probably another american who has no respect for the arts at all. the web is the new forum for the artists of the 21st century. and by upgrading your old browser, you can still get your content, plus designers can do their jobs, and everyone will be happy.
enjoy your life in the past. just go use lynx if you wanna be such a hardcore user...