I wish you weren't AC so I could mod you up. Your insightful explanation is exactly how software "engineering" works at any large corporation and it's a total joke. The only way to fix it is to add more "Enterprise Architects" or "SOA Integration Experts".:)
But an actual, honest-to-god Mars trip is different, and everybody will know it. Just outside the cramped wall is the darkest, blackest, most incomprehensibly complete void mankind can fathom. No air, no beer, no babes. Nothing. And not just some nothing, MILLIONS of miles of nothing. Months of travel at speeds inconceivable to airlines flight. Something go wrong? Everybody's dead!
Ok, ok, so just put them in a bathysphere, send it to the bottom of Challenger Deep, and pull up the tow line. Should take care of the stress issue...
...it would have been operated manually by a human no matter who owned or made it...
No human ever "manually" operates an Airbus--auto pilot or not. The computer is always flying the plane. The pilot is merely giving suggestions to the computer as to where he or she would like to go.
It's like the pilot that landed his plane in the river after losing an engine to birds. I don't think a computer would have taken that option and not only would it have been likely that all the passengers would have been killed, but bystanders as the planes computer attempted to correct and eventually goes down in a populated street.
For the record, it was an Airbus A320 (a full FBW aircraft) that was flown into the Hudson.
Today your web browser always hits the remote server first, even if you already have a cached copy of the content. It's checking to see if its cache is still valid. If the site is down, you see an error (read: your app won't run); if the site decided to delete or change the content, your browser obliges and caches the new version, whether you wanted the old version blown away or not.
Well, no, the "digital representation" certainly wouldn't mind, but you would simply be dead. Would it really make you feel better to know that after you are dead there's a digital conscientiousness out there that's identical to yours?
If the digital consciousness is identical to me and still believes and feels like it's me (i.e. it), is there truly any difference?
When you go under for a heart replacement and wake back up, is it you? How much can be changed while you're unconscious before it's not you on the other side?
The hang up most people have with an unconscious destructive transfer is that both the organic source and resulting digital copy are aware of the process that supposedly took place. A Morevac transfer somehow lessens the impact by drawing out the "death" over a longer period of time such that the original and copy are not aware of or can point to a definitive time the transfer took place.
Assuming a digital copy is truly identical to the organic upload source (i.e. it is not immediately aware of any difference in experience or consciousness), consider this scenario: What if you signed up for a destructive transfer to happen while you were asleep or unconscious but you would not know the time of the transfer. It might happen the next night or sometime in the next six months. If the digital copy is identical and not aware of when it comes into existence (when it wakes up for the first time). Would you or it still care?
Moreover, how do you know this didn't already happen last night?
Sure, but who's going to break the bad news to your "organic representation"?
Death is death even if there are 100 more copies of you.
-DF
Initially, I thought this same way and in a sense I still agree with you. I'm just not sure it matters to me anymore. Is the immediate unconscious disposal of my organic representation any different than a month long death by progressive neuron replacement?
for my Moravec transfer. Although the more I think about it, I'm not sure that perceptible continuity of consciousness is such a big deal. I mean, I go to sleep every night and wake up the next day believing and feeling that I'm the same person that went to sleep. If there were a cutover to digital representation while I was "asleep" (i.e. unaware), I'm not sure I'd mind the thought of my organic representation being destroyed, even if it could have continued existence in parallel.
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Given the option, I'd rather pay for a million people to go to college than a single Predator drone.
Yeah, but the point of those million people going to college is to learn how to do things like make the Predator drone.
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I wish you weren't AC so I could mod you up. Your insightful explanation is exactly how software "engineering" works at any large corporation and it's a total joke. The only way to fix it is to add more "Enterprise Architects" or "SOA Integration Experts". :)
Kurzweil's not looking quite as crazy right now.
ASSEMBLE!
They passed out within seconds of the crash though.
Ummm no... Reality bites
...The same thing could be done with incidents maybe at the category level...
It sounds like you work with HP Service Manager... shudders
I absolutely loved D9, but the parent is spot on about the story. Mod up please.
But an actual, honest-to-god Mars trip is different, and everybody will know it. Just outside the cramped wall is the darkest, blackest, most incomprehensibly complete void mankind can fathom. No air, no beer, no babes. Nothing. And not just some nothing, MILLIONS of miles of nothing. Months of travel at speeds inconceivable to airlines flight. Something go wrong? Everybody's dead!
Ok, ok, so just put them in a bathysphere, send it to the bottom of Challenger Deep, and pull up the tow line. Should take care of the stress issue...
Me too! Damn, I wanted a DMC-GH1!
...it would have been operated manually by a human no matter who owned or made it...
No human ever "manually" operates an Airbus--auto pilot or not. The computer is always flying the plane. The pilot is merely giving suggestions to the computer as to where he or she would like to go.
Three words: Depth. Of. Field. Without these...
It's like the pilot that landed his plane in the river after losing an engine to birds. I don't think a computer would have taken that option and not only would it have been likely that all the passengers would have been killed, but bystanders as the planes computer attempted to correct and eventually goes down in a populated street.
For the record, it was an Airbus A320 (a full FBW aircraft) that was flown into the Hudson.
Today your web browser always hits the remote server first, even if you already have a cached copy of the content. It's checking to see if its cache is still valid. If the site is down, you see an error (read: your app won't run); if the site decided to delete or change the content, your browser obliges and caches the new version, whether you wanted the old version blown away or not.
New to the WWW? Homework for tonight: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt
Well, no, the "digital representation" certainly wouldn't mind, but you would simply be dead. Would it really make you feel better to know that after you are dead there's a digital conscientiousness out there that's identical to yours?
If the digital consciousness is identical to me and still believes and feels like it's me (i.e. it), is there truly any difference?
When you go under for a heart replacement and wake back up, is it you? How much can be changed while you're unconscious before it's not you on the other side?
The hang up most people have with an unconscious destructive transfer is that both the organic source and resulting digital copy are aware of the process that supposedly took place. A Morevac transfer somehow lessens the impact by drawing out the "death" over a longer period of time such that the original and copy are not aware of or can point to a definitive time the transfer took place.
Assuming a digital copy is truly identical to the organic upload source (i.e. it is not immediately aware of any difference in experience or consciousness), consider this scenario: What if you signed up for a destructive transfer to happen while you were asleep or unconscious but you would not know the time of the transfer. It might happen the next night or sometime in the next six months. If the digital copy is identical and not aware of when it comes into existence (when it wakes up for the first time). Would you or it still care?
Moreover, how do you know this didn't already happen last night?
Sure, but who's going to break the bad news to your "organic representation"?
Death is death even if there are 100 more copies of you.
-DF
Initially, I thought this same way and in a sense I still agree with you. I'm just not sure it matters to me anymore. Is the immediate unconscious disposal of my organic representation any different than a month long death by progressive neuron replacement?
for my Moravec transfer. Although the more I think about it, I'm not sure that perceptible continuity of consciousness is such a big deal. I mean, I go to sleep every night and wake up the next day believing and feeling that I'm the same person that went to sleep. If there were a cutover to digital representation while I was "asleep" (i.e. unaware), I'm not sure I'd mind the thought of my organic representation being destroyed, even if it could have continued existence in parallel.
1. Sensor light sensitivity
2. Glass quality and speed
Repeat until you reach N-1. (With N back at your apartment).
Hot for teacher?
Been there since the beginning as far as I know.
Spot on! Wish I had mod points for you.
Now, Sun, if you would just fix the damn date, time, and calendar arithmetic class library! Or is 12 years not enough time?
Have you seen Singularity?
I so wish MS would drop Win32 et. al and replace it with this. Singularity has some very cool ideas.
Some other cool Singularity vids:
http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=683
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=141
This is like saying that there's nothing illegal about you owning an M-60.
Um... there's not, as long as you have a Class III firearms license for it.