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Six Men Endure 105-Day Mars Flight Simulator
drunken_boxer777 writes with this excerpt from an AP report:
"Six men emerged from a metal hatch after 105 days of isolation in a mock spacecraft, still smiling after testing the stresses that space travelers may face on the journey to Mars. They had no television or Internet and their only link to the outside world was communications with the experiment's controllers — who also monitored them via TV cameras — and an internal e-mail system. Communications with the outside world had 20-minute delays to imitate a real space flight."
Yeah yeah Mars...anyone can do that. 105 days with no TV or internet?
I, for one, welcome our godlike astronaut overlords.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits" - Albert Einstein
Give em the newest rpg(or jrpg grinder if you like). Make the story and game so it updates their world with earth's servers on par with the delays and there you go. Next thing you know they wouldn't want to leave the ship. Or if rts is their fancy ... well you got the idea...
I would have thought that would be an easy thing to provide them for mental stimulation on a long boring journey. Couple of laptops with few thousand hours of video, games, website snapshots, virtual environments to explore.
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I could sail away, never to see another same day. I'd leave it all behind and nothing could change my mind.
in all that time?
"STOP. FARTING."
Wow, I get to see this in my lifetime. The building blocks of a conspiracy theory.
If they ever do manage to land on Mars the conspiracy theorists will now point to this and say "see they SAY they built it as a simulator but REALLY that's where they faked the entire Mars landing! Why else would they need to build such a simulator!" Very much like the lunar surface simulator they built out in the desert, or the landing simulator MIT built for the moon landings. Oh well...
It wouldn't be too difficult to pack a few hard drives or SSDs with a few thousand movies and episodes of TV shows. Ironically, while it would cost tens of thousands of dollars to buy all those DVDs and rip them, it would cost a lot more money to send the media holding the video files to mars. There would be a lengthy time-lag for emails, but that's little different than email is already.
No tv and no internet, make Homer.... Something Something =-p
They'll need to last without these things a lot longer than 105 days.
Living in cramped quarters with a few other people for 105 days is not so big a deal. Reality would likely be far different. See, those 105 people *knew* that just outside the cramped wall was a big, beautiful, receptive planet, with air to breathe, beer to drink, and babes walking around to scope out. They are a day-flight away from home, wherever it be. Something go wrong? Darn, too bad. Simulation over, everybody have a beer and go home!
But an actual, honest-to-god Mars trip is different, and everybody will know it. Just outside the cramped wall is the darkest, blackest, most incomprehensibly complete void mankind can fathom. No air, no beer, no babes. Nothing. And not just some nothing, MILLIONS of miles of nothing. Months of travel at speeds inconceivable to airlines flight. Something go wrong? Everybody's dead!
Sure, just about anybody could live with this kind of stress for a while, but we're not talking about a while, we're talking about MONTHS of this kind of pressure. Many perfectly healthy, strong, capable people would crack under this kind of pressure. And even our best and brightest crack under the pressure of living here on Earth, with lots of air, beer, and pretty babes!
The simulation is more of a publicity stunt, and it's appropriate. People want to try the trip, and that's A-OK. But do not think, even for a moment, that this gives particularly meaningful data on what a real Mars trip would be like!
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Sounds like they should add an Xbox360 or a PS3 to the supply list. They can practice their hand-to-eye coordination just in case of hostile little-green-men
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This is a perfect marketing opportunity for an E-Book reader. A device like a Kindle that gets VERY long battery life + can hold MANY books would be the perfect design for the weight conscious space launch, limited electrical supply, and low-bandwidth data link (email).
If I were to spend 200+ days in transit I would want a lot of reading material. All duties become dull and repetitive, it's the down-time that will drive a man insane from boredom.
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
Nice test, but of course a Hohmann trajectory to Mars takes nine months-- 275 days, not 105. They exited the spacecraft when they were only halfway there!
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If you want to know what 365 days in real isolation in a tin can feels like... At least we had: (1) plenty of things to do, (2) the pressure that if we failed bad we'd most likely die. They had: (1) nothing to do, (2) the possibility to open the can if things got bad...
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When I was on a US Navy, FBM submarine, we typically spent 105 days submerged, with no contact from the outside world. It was not fun, but it was not that hard either.
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They had no television
Easy. I hardly watch TV any more, with all the bullshit that's usually on...
or Internet and
That's already lots harder... but I might muster enough willpower...
their only link to the outside world was communications with the experiment's controllers
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â" who also monitored them via TV cameras â"
O gosh! That's cruel. No privacy for a quick handjob... 105 days without wanking, o the inhumanity!
There was a movie about a faked manned Mars landing titled "Capricorn One".
I know that supposedly art imitates life, but life imitating movies?
The experiment was the second for the institute, whose previous effort in 1999 ended in scandal when a Canadian woman complained of being forcibly kissed by a Russian captain and said that two Russian crew members had a fist fight that left blood splattered on the walls.
Russian officials at the time downplayed the incidents, attributing it to cultural gaps and stress.
Soviet engineers also tried a similar yearlong experiment, but that was interrupted because of unending conflicts between crew members.
It sounds like this is there only successful attempt in three tries.
You have to understand, though, the psyche of astronauts. There are two archetypes: Fighter pilots and scientists. These two types fit into a single archetype: Obsessive. The first astronauts were fighter pilots and test pilots. They were cocky, confident, and absolutely attention-whorish (It has to be ME up on that moon). Then, scientists trickled in. What type of scientist makes for a good astronaut? The kind that shrugs off a 10% chance of death from getting to the lab this morning. You put these guys in a simulator and they're looking for everything to go wrong. They want to get to Mars. They're probably stir-crazy in a simulator, but they have that obsessive eye on the prize. "This simulator is preparing me to go to Mars."
If there ARE any problems or clashes onboard a Mars vessel, outside of the simulator, all they have to do is have one guy dedicated to saying "Guys, we're on our way to MARS!" and poof! Problems solved.
For the typical you and me, we aren't QUITE so obsessive. Our trip to Mars would probably include some measure of space madness, but for the first groups, it's the non-psychological biology that needs to be tested rather than their mental fortitude. The people on those trips know they've got a 3% survival rate, and tends to be a very calming experience when volunteered for.
I am the richest astronaut ever to win the superbowl.
The value I see in this is that if you repeat such experiments many times, you can start testing theories about the interaction of certain personality types, and also test theories about choosing optimal group sizes, gender mix, degree of contact with Earth (less might actually be better). Also, I know that Mir cosmonauts frequently got pissed off because they were given too much work. Experiments like this could establish an appropriate threshold for "minimum necessary slack time".
OK, I take it back - maybe there is a lot to be learned from experiments like this. As a bonus they're absurdly cheap (as a fraction of the total Mars mission cost) and if repeated often enough, they really might help (in unexpected ways) with planning a mission which is least likely to fail.
(Though it's worth adding that if the actual Mars astronauts got into bloody fistfights and sexually harassed the hot Canadian crewmate, Americans might actually tune in and learn more astronomy sort of by accident. Hmm, maybe Rupert Murdoch should fund the mission and give FOX/Sky broadcast rights to what would surely be the most watched reality show in all of history!)
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Curious why the crew was so cut off from TV, Internet, pictures of the natural world, etc?
Maybe in the trillion dollar Mars exploration plan we should include a couple thousand dollars to equip the vehicle with a DirecTV Dish and keep a relay here on Earth pointed at it, and a couple of screens which can display movies, trees, oceans, water and other nature.
Internet might be a little harder with the delay, but I see no reason why the crew couldn't be beamed a daily 'cache' of favorite web pages, Earthly news, etc.
Our trip to Mars would probably include some measure of space madness...
Then I hope they pack enough ice-cream bars!
Why would we subject astronauts to "no Internet"? OK, they couldn't use our "World" -wide apps that depend on low latency. But an "internet" (small "i", not the unified public one) would be a perfect tech to keep their mission LANs communicating with NASA networks on Earth. And making such an internet would be a very valuable product of such a mission. Extending the Internet into space while it's still basically "American style" would be a huge dividend for getting both the Internet and the space colonization global industries (and human endeavors) started and fully under way. America's national interest coinciding with furthering the global interest of everyone already riding the momentum of America's earlier pioneering.
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if my insight into the delay is correct, we're set to use microsoft Exchange for interstellar email.
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Better than their first attempt:
"The experiment was the second for the institute, whose previous effort in 1999 ended in scandal when a Canadian woman complained of being forcibly kissed by a Russian captain and said that two Russian crew members had a fist fight that left blood splattered on the walls."
Moral of the story don't put hot Canadian women on board unless you want all the men to fight over her.
Hey isn't there a launch today with a Canadian woman on board?
Nooooooooooooo!
Also note that this successful attempt was all men, no women at all. Have to wonder if that was on purpose.
There was an episode of the Twilight Zone where they did this. It was a year-long test, if I recall correctly and the guy either flipped out or died at the end.
They had no television or Internet...
One of the first questions asked by the test subjects:
"So, did any famous celebrities die while we were on our mission of isolation?"
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They are focusing on what to do when on mars, rather than what to do when going to mars though.
Sure, they are all right inside by that panel with the handle there Mr Stele. In fact, why don't you go over and grab one right now. *close door behind and over speaker* Mr Stele, might want to buckle up.
Mij
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Dudes, They should totally send David Blaine up in that shit.
"Capricorn One", or to "It's a windy day in Arizona", hehehe...
Well, these three took their chicken coop VERY SPHERIOUSLY. But, yeh, as mentioned before, if they ate beans (or, even opened a box of natto), they would suffer from a new sphere of end-fluence...
What would make it more interesting is if the sphere were WELDED SHUT, and then put in a dunking tank. Transparent Aluminum-like ports could be in the design, but the tank would have flow-makers, and then all sorts of flotsam, veggies, effluent, or tentacular things could from time to time be introduced, of course with a life-like starfield.
To make things MORE interesting, fire it across the desert SLAC-like (Stanford Linear Accelerator) tube at about 800mph to simulate g forces, then have the "launch" terminate in the tank. 0-g might be tough, unless the tank incorporated a rotating arm undulating, and nutating as necessary, with uulating noises on the outside. Basically, TRICK these guys into thinking "simulation" was a lie, and that they are trapped in a sphere. To make things even MOOOOORE interesting, have the uulations coincide with periodic dishing in of the sphere, like crushing. Have the computer report gravimetric pressures having reduced structural integrity by 28% in the x-year duration travel. Make the comms delays longer and longer, and then break the toilet.
These 3 won't be friendly with each other for too much longer. They'll either be lovers, enemies, or frenemies. Or, LoNeMies.... Especially if they are allowed to "smell" space and think they are unmonitored and running out of time to profess their (un)dying admiration for each other while they still have fresh water (or NASA urine) to bathe with.
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All i could think of when i read the headline was "Ren and Stimpy - Space Dogged" http://www.joost.com/079000m/t/Ren-and-Stimpy-Space-Dogged-Feud-for-Sale#id=079000m
167 days of isolation without food or water :-)
I wonder how well the space agencies are taking into consideration human need for intimate contact. NASA crews at least get some scheduled parts of the day when they get privacy and are disconnected from health monitors. But this is for relatively short missions. Unsatisfied sexual needs can create tension, especially in situations of extreme isolation with no way out. Perhaps only sexually active couples should be sent on these trips?
I'm sure they could find somebody with 105 days worth of tv & movies on their laptop to lend to the astronauts so they have some entertainment. Surely somebody on slashdot has 365 days worth of porn on an external hard drive they could donate to NASA? If you add in a Kindle for when they're tired of video they can keep completely entertained for the whole trip!
I could do that, as long as there were Internet and beer. Wait what?
I think their test was excessive. The real travelers will have access to "television" and "internet". The latency will just suck nuts and the bandwidth won't be too awesome either.
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"This is the true story... of six strangers... picked to live in a space shuttle...work together and have their lives taped... to find out what happens... when people stop being polite... and start getting real...The Real Mars." Coming to MTV, Fall of 2031.
Disable gravity for 105 days, then walk out of the experiment.
THAT will impress me.
Humans lose muscle very quickly without gravity even if they exercise 2+ hours a day. Walking after 2 weeks is difficult. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/09/22/astronaut-collapse.html To be clear, these people are fitter than most. The other astronauts were FEELING gravity just as much. Studies show over 30% muscle loss after a few months in micro-gravity.
20 minute lag? Man, they would need to find a really high-ping server to play UT2004.
I'm glad there are people willing to do this type of thing, I'm just not one of them. I have no desire to goto Mars with today's technology. When we can hop on a plane and get to Mars in a few hours...not that will be something!
did they simulate the lack of gravity and radiation as well? I didn't think so. The ISS is a better simulation of the voyage. As has been pointed out, submariners routinely endure 100 day missions without outside contact; so, they didn't really prove much.
And a shiny, candy-like button!
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How much energy does it take to get out of earth orbit? How much power capacity needs to be held in reserve for unexpected events?
I don't expect that power usage for entertainment communications is an issue. The ship will no doubt have antennas and transmitters large enough to transmit video and telemetry both for control and for the benefit of the citizens that paid for the mission. The bits needed to request something is trivial in comparison.
On the other side, there is plenty of power on earth to transmit por... entertainment during the slow periods.
I also don't see any problem with the latency. You obviously wouldn't be able to play online games, but most of what you view in a day could be pre-cached or just waited for without a problem.
The isolation is tough, but the hardest part of a mission to Mars is surviving the Hutu uprising.
And always make sure the monkey doesn't steal your suspended animation chamber.
There have already been submerged submarine patrols lasting over a hundred days.
You'd think that military psychologists would have plenty of studies of people in these situations. Perhaps they are not sharing them.
Veteran of the SSBN sub force here, and I'm kind of surprised that this is considered that big a deal. We've been doing trips in isolation this long since the 60s.
Then again, I suppose the group dynamics for 6 people are slightly different than for 110 people.
A better test would be locking the astronauts for 105 days in a small box, letting them out in the middle of the desert of Arizona for 2 weeks and then relocking them for another 105 days. Unless we only care for them to get sane to Mars but we don't really care if they are not sane when they get back to Earth. Unless (2) we're not planning of getting them back.
That works for road trips to Mardi Gras also.
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[making video diary entry] I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if they would only recognize it. Today over lunch I tried to improve morale and build a sense of camaraderie among the men by holding a humorous, round-robin discussion of the early days of the mission. My overtures were brutally rejected. These men do not want a happy ship. They are deeply sick and try to compensate by making me feel miserable. Last week was my birthday. Nobody even said "happy birthday" to me. Someday this tape will be played and then they'll feel sorry.
Kim Stanley Robinson wrote a trilogy about mars colonization starting with Red Mars.
How did they deal with the trip out? They brought 50 men and 50 women so they would have something to do.
> 105 days of isolation in a mock spacecraft, still smiling after testing
> the stresses that space travelers may face on the journey to Mars. They
> had no television or Internet...
"One of the 'astronauts' exclaimed he was glad to be out because, "Boy, did that place smell like butt!"
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...officials at the Institute for Medical and Biological Problems praised the experiment as a success and promised to conduct a 500-day simulation experiment later this year...
Nice trick. Maybe they rented 100 capsules for a week...