I suggest that NPR and others like it are also tools of the propaganda machine. Just look at who 'underwrites' the station: big grants from big completely entrenched corporations. Like Exxon for example. If you dont think those guys require spin on stories, yer in trouble.
And compare to the stories on our favorite major news sources like ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.. Ask yourself why the Afghan paper contains much of he same propaganda that we get. Now why would a country, who has a philosophy so different from ours feature the same 'news stories' and 'opinions' as we do?
That my friend shows you just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Our influence is everywhere, and obviously, as the events of the past two weeks has shown, people are sick of it.
I have an attempt to show news stories from different sources around the world, to show the varying opinions, and to show what is being 'missed' by our mainstream sources.
Throughout this whole incident I have yet to see someone think outside the BOX, say something different, and not be some ultra militia anti NWO poorly designed black ops conspiracy site.
yahoo..
please keep sharing your thoughts.
I have been trying to put a list of stories from other sources, just to get people to start thinking outside the parameters of the CNN/ap/rueters multiverse. Have a look at the link below. Suggestions are welcome.
" It is much more difficult to see a propaganda system at work where the media are private and formal censorship is absent. "
reading from alternative news sources, like papers from other countries yeilds different viewpoints, some radically different from the stories we get from our 'mainstream' sources of news.
I state that as obvious.
"It is much more difficult to see a propaganda system at work where the media are private and formal censorship is absent."
Kill them and their friends one at a time until there are none left.
This type of warfare is foul; Look at Laos and Cambodia for examples of the horror and results of it.
The thing that really gets me, is America goes and tells everyone else that they need to have a shining record on human rights, which pulling this crap time after time.
and dont give me the "All is fair in war, or all the (insert rascism here) deserve to have their sand turned to glass". Cos it is just crap. People are people. Click on my link below to find some news out about the situation in Afghanistan and what results that kind of fighting will bring.
And those mountains are part of the Himalayas, which are, even though not like what we think of the BIG Himal, they still are very rough. I dont care what kind of force you are, those mountains are gonna mess with you, because it is not what you are used to. The people there live in those mountains. They are their life.
I have spent time in the Himalayan foothills and up to 19,000 feet. Its pretty rough up there.
Basically, anyone we send over there has a good chance of stepping on a mine.
Good point. I was in Cambodia last spring and learned quite a bit about landmines and their impact. While at a landmine museum, I read that Afghanistan is the second behind Cambodia in the most devestated by landmine catagory.
There is no escaping that one. Cambodia has 300 people a day average step on em. still. they think it will take hundreds of years to get rid of all the mines laid in that country.
I have to say that saying to not trust a non domestic source of news is just plain mad. It is that kind of xenophobia that is really freaking me out.
In fact, I am putting up a bunch of news from various sources just so you can get an alternate viewpoint, and see things that CNN and the ilk wont show you.
While yeah the Times and the Post are fine sources, the guardian UK for example has things to say, and I would think that they might know some news as well, since they are quite heavily involved in this mess we are in.
more news sources and stories in yummy list form:
http://www.propaganda-arts.org/propaganda/world/ ne ws.html
I have a question about webobjects. You say that it is "sweet", which I have heard numerous times before yet recently a co-worker has taken to web objects as if it was a religion due to its promise of 'ease-of-use'. (you know the part where they say that you can build a full featured web application with virtually a click of a button).
So my question is this: My co-worker is a failed linux hack (could not understand where he was to type 'man tar' in order to get the manpage), has never written a line of code anywhere in his life, has no concept of logic, etc..etc.. etc. but thinks that he is (and is currently gettting seed money for a project) going to be able to write a massive application that runs against a mySQL database using web objects with no experience whatsoever... Or no effort.
Is web object so sweet that it can work this magic? If so have I wasted my time learning PHP, Perl, C, etc.. (just kidding)
I know but, dont record companies also profit greatly ( and in the music industry, hits X magazine promotions X billboards X radio station payola X whatever it takes to get on MTV X etc.. = profits) from others work with *contractural* permission? (read: coercion)
I have been playing Asheron's Call (a zone premium game) behind my Masq Box/DSL set up for months now. I have had no trouble at all and did not even have to config it anymore than it had been. The only problem that I have had is the fact that Asheron's Call has taken precedence over everything else that I do anymore....
I work at a high School as the Head of Information System Support (or some other joke of a title) and the thing that I see that is the most advanced computing concept (besides www.shockrave.com) taught is making web pages with claris home page. When I approached the teacher he told me "Yeah I know *every* programming language there is, but writing code is so passe. It is great that we live in a world where something like claris works will write it for you.
Actually, another student got a bad grade in his class for not using claris home page and writing straight HTML. They were told that it was no compatiable with the Web Star server they were using.
I have been sickened by this whole charade where I will be looking for other work and have been scared to death about the state of.edu at least from my vantage point. My question is: How many people are learning advanced computing concepts in their high school? What kinds of things are you learning? And is anyone havin the same experience I am?
yep.. dude its the Woodstock 99, fred durst(limp BIZKET!!), Slipknot, Insane clown posse, Kid Rock MTV-ified generation that seem to be messing up all the big parties this year.
How many times have you been holding a paper book in your hand, trying to find some particular passage and wished that you had a grep facility handy to make that search more efficient? It happens to me all the time.
I hate reading things off the screen, especially for long periods. I cannot concentrate like I can with a book. Yet the searchablity of online docs is amazingly useful.
I wish someone would port grep to the human brain(tm)
I read some Wm. Gibson and felt it was interesting stuff, but I stumbled across a book while looking amongst the genre 'cyberpunk' that I feel is really the most definitive batch of stories of an era (and that era may be dead, neal has helped us trancend it thankfully). This book, and its set of stories represent the real 'underground' of sci-fi and is tons of fun....
The book is called: semiotext(E) and available here
I agree with you there. I lost everything in a fire about 6 years back: All of my artwork written words, films I hade made, music I created. It was such a big deal, that it sent my life into a tailspin for a long time (while I figured out why all the work that I spent my life thus far doing was destroyed).
During the fire, I spent my time risking my life trying to keep it under control while the fire dept got there.
A few months later a friend died while trying to rescue the people in his house when it burned down.
But I recovered, things are even better than before. Fire is the great cleanser, but it still rocks one deep to your core: for example you will never smell things burning the same way again.
The point is: lets try to have some compassion towards others. I know that in the 90's it is hip to be snide and cynical, but I just think (from experience) that it is a way to deal with what we are afraid of.
Actually, the iMac that sits on my desktop at work has a hardtime playing an mp3 period, let alone serve them. We have yet to be able to get shoucast to work properly on that box as well (that is without crashing the MacAMP app).
this link here : http://www.theregister.co.uk/991006-000024.html shows that they may be trying to venture out into becoming a web portal.
Portals are without a doubt a good way to generate revenue (aka www.linux.com -- my fav 'portal' so far if slashdot is not a portal;) ), yet they also seem to be a sort of 'old school' vision (as far as internet time goes).
One would hope that Redhat will find some new and insightful ways of using its new found wealth, that helps us feel confident of their new found power. For example, yesterday there was a buzz here with regards to the microsoft linux myth debunking, that RedHat should be fighting back for the community. I agree with that, and would hope that any portal plans RedHat has can be used to offset the FUD spinners attacks at the same level that Microsoft can.
Is it possible to downgrade the kernel (based on the mandrake kernel rpm I guess). I finally have a working sblive install and I would hate to lose it, but want to upgrade to the latest mandrake. cos mandrake is real nice.
What I heard about Linux at Costco was pretty darned interesting: They said that they decided to offer RedHat linux on a whim, and that it had outsold Windows 98.
I wish I could rememeber where I read that, at any rate: it was amazing to see like 4 pallettes of redhat boxes right where you walk in at our local store.
Well, I feel guilty as all hell. My Karma is pretty darned negative (for my liking) granted I may have been a smart ass recently, but I thought it was under the guise of AC (plus it was only a couple of times: I promise!) Anyway, are the Karma points tallied by IP address as well? I guess they should be if this is all to work proper.
Mandrake IMHO is much nicer than RH6.0. I bought (using others money) RH6.0 for the Corporate Cred it brings with it. I pretty much could not stand it from the get go and got more and more dissapointed as time wore on. Though redhat looked good to the bosses, so it made linux an easier sell.
Me, I have not been a redhat user since some 4 version- I could not stand the installer, but I got curious about this RedHat fixed Mandrake distro and downloaded and installed it at home. It is real nice, they seem cool (for redhat types *wink*) and they aren't worth 5.3 billion dollars for using someone elses software.
IMHO, if you are gonna play the game that RedHat is playing, which is betting the bank on free software, you have to be willing to play by the rules(of the license), which is if mandrake, you or I wish to repackage and sell the work as our own, that is our choice, unless we infringe on something not protected by the license.
I am just glad that Mandrake is improving the product.
Slashdot Mirror
I suggest that NPR and others like it are also tools of the propaganda machine. Just look at who 'underwrites' the station: big grants from big completely entrenched corporations. Like Exxon for example. If you dont think those guys require spin on stories, yer in trouble.
Take a look at this Afghan newspaper online:
Afghan Daily
and
Afghan News Network
And compare to the stories on our favorite major news sources like ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.. Ask yourself why the Afghan paper contains much of he same propaganda that we get. Now why would a country, who has a philosophy so different from ours feature the same 'news stories' and 'opinions' as we do?
That my friend shows you just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Our influence is everywhere, and obviously, as the events of the past two weeks has shown, people are sick of it.
I have an attempt to show news stories from different sources around the world, to show the varying opinions, and to show what is being 'missed' by our mainstream sources.
Check the link.
You sir, Mr Fantastic Lad are my new hero.
Throughout this whole incident I have yet to see someone think outside the BOX, say something different, and not be some ultra militia anti NWO poorly designed black ops conspiracy site.
yahoo..
please keep sharing your thoughts.
I have been trying to put a list of stories from other sources, just to get people to start thinking outside the parameters of the CNN/ap/rueters multiverse. Have a look at the link below. Suggestions are welcome.
" It is much more difficult to see a propaganda system at work where the media are private and formal censorship is absent. "
--Chomsky and Herman
reading from alternative news sources, like papers from other countries yeilds different viewpoints, some radically different from the stories we get from our 'mainstream' sources of news.
I state that as obvious.
"It is much more difficult to see a propaganda system at work where the media are private and formal censorship is absent."
--Herman & Chomsky
Kill them and their friends one at a time until there are none left.
This type of warfare is foul; Look at Laos and Cambodia for examples of the horror and results of it.
The thing that really gets me, is America goes and tells everyone else that they need to have a shining record on human rights, which pulling this crap time after time.
and dont give me the "All is fair in war, or all the (insert rascism here) deserve to have their sand turned to glass". Cos it is just crap. People are people. Click on my link below to find some news out about the situation in Afghanistan and what results that kind of fighting will bring.
And those mountains are part of the Himalayas, which are, even though not like what we think of the BIG Himal, they still are very rough. I dont care what kind of force you are, those mountains are gonna mess with you, because it is not what you are used to. The people there live in those mountains. They are their life.
I have spent time in the Himalayan foothills and up to 19,000 feet. Its pretty rough up there.
Basically, anyone we send over there has a good chance of stepping on a mine.
Good point. I was in Cambodia last spring and learned quite a bit about landmines and their impact. While at a landmine museum, I read that Afghanistan is the second behind Cambodia in the most devestated by landmine catagory.
There is no escaping that one. Cambodia has 300 people a day average step on em. still. they think it will take hundreds of years to get rid of all the mines laid in that country.
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I have to say that saying to not trust a non domestic source of news is just plain mad. It is that kind of xenophobia that is really freaking me out.
/ ne ws.html
In fact, I am putting up a bunch of news from various sources just so you can get an alternate viewpoint, and see things that CNN and the ilk wont show you.
While yeah the Times and the Post are fine sources, the guardian UK for example has things to say, and I would think that they might know some news as well, since they are quite heavily involved in this mess we are in.
more news sources and stories in yummy list form:
http://www.propaganda-arts.org/propaganda/world
It's not a theme or a skin, it is how the user interacts with their computer.
this is what people who haven't _used_ a mac don't understand.
You know what? I do understand it and I cannot for the life of me STAND IT. The way I must interact with a Macintosh is ridiculus.
I have a question about webobjects. You say that it is "sweet", which I have heard numerous times before yet recently a co-worker has taken to web objects as if it was a religion due to its promise of 'ease-of-use'. (you know the part where they say that you can build a full featured web application with virtually a click of a button).
So my question is this: My co-worker is a failed linux hack (could not understand where he was to type 'man tar' in order to get the manpage), has never written a line of code anywhere in his life, has no concept of logic, etc ..etc.. etc. but thinks that he is (and is currently gettting seed money for a project) going to be able to write a massive application that runs against a mySQL database using web objects with no experience whatsoever... Or no effort.
Is web object so sweet that it can work this magic? If so have I wasted my time learning PHP, Perl, C, etc.. (just kidding)
Thanks a bunch...
what free country is this you speek of? I am currently shopping for a new one.
I know but, dont record companies also profit greatly ( and in the music industry, hits X magazine promotions X billboards X radio station payola X whatever it takes to get on MTV X etc.. = profits) from others work with *contractural* permission? (read: coercion)
Damn games. :)
I work at a high School as the Head of Information System Support (or some other joke of a title) and the thing that I see that is the most advanced computing concept (besides www.shockrave.com) taught is making web pages with claris home page. When I approached the teacher he told me "Yeah I know *every* programming language there is, but writing code is so passe. It is great that we live in a world where something like claris works will write it for you.
Actually, another student got a bad grade in his class for not using claris home page and writing straight HTML. They were told that it was no compatiable with the Web Star server they were using.
I have been sickened by this whole charade where I will be looking for other work and have been scared to death about the state of .edu at least from my vantage point. My question is: How many people are learning advanced computing concepts in their high school? What kinds of things are you learning? And is anyone havin the same experience I am?
yep.. dude its the Woodstock 99, fred durst(limp BIZKET!!), Slipknot, Insane clown posse, Kid Rock MTV-ified generation that seem to be messing up all the big parties this year.
How many times have you been holding a paper book in your hand, trying to find some particular passage and wished that you had a grep facility handy to make that search more efficient? It happens to me all the time.
I hate reading things off the screen, especially for long periods. I cannot concentrate like I can with a book. Yet the searchablity of online docs is amazingly useful.
I wish someone would port grep to the human brain(tm)
at the expense of karma say... I would venture that your .sig is quite offensive.
I read some Wm. Gibson and felt it was interesting stuff, but I stumbled across a book while looking amongst the genre 'cyberpunk' that I feel is really the most definitive batch of stories of an era (and that era may be dead, neal has helped us trancend it thankfully). This book, and its set of stories represent the real 'underground' of sci-fi and is tons of fun....
The book is called: semiotext(E) and available here
enjoy...
I agree with you there. I lost everything in a fire about 6 years back: All of my artwork written words, films I hade made, music I created. It was such a big deal, that it sent my life into a tailspin for a long time (while I figured out why all the work that I spent my life thus far doing was destroyed).
During the fire, I spent my time risking my life trying to keep it under control while the fire dept got there.
A few months later a friend died while trying to rescue the people in his house when it burned down.
But I recovered, things are even better than before. Fire is the great cleanser, but it still rocks one deep to your core: for example you will never smell things burning the same way again.
The point is: lets try to have some compassion towards others. I know that in the 90's it is hip to be snide and cynical, but I just think (from experience) that it is a way to deal with what we are afraid of.
my 1/4 cent. thanks for listening.
Actually, the iMac that sits on my desktop at work has a hardtime playing an mp3 period, let alone serve them. We have yet to be able to get shoucast to work properly on that box as well (that is without crashing the MacAMP app).
this link here : http://www.theregister.co.uk/991006-000024.html shows that they may be trying to venture out into becoming a web portal.
Portals are without a doubt a good way to generate revenue (aka www.linux.com -- my fav 'portal' so far if slashdot is not a portal ;) ), yet they also seem to be a sort of 'old school' vision (as far as internet time goes).
One would hope that Redhat will find some new and insightful ways of using its new found wealth, that helps us feel confident of their new found power. For example, yesterday there was a buzz here with regards to the microsoft linux myth debunking, that RedHat should be fighting back for the community. I agree with that, and would hope that any portal plans RedHat has can be used to offset the FUD spinners attacks at the same level that Microsoft can.
They have the power now...
--spare karma anyone?
Is it possible to downgrade the kernel (based on the mandrake kernel rpm I guess). I finally have a working sblive install and I would hate to lose it, but want to upgrade to the latest mandrake. cos mandrake is real nice.
What I heard about Linux at Costco was pretty darned interesting: They said that they decided to offer RedHat linux on a whim, and that it had outsold Windows 98.
I wish I could rememeber where I read that, at any rate: it was amazing to see like 4 pallettes of redhat boxes right where you walk in at our local store.
A great idea: A dreamcast linux port!
Every platform! Whats next?
Well, I feel guilty as all hell. My Karma is pretty darned negative (for my liking) granted I may have been a smart ass recently, but I thought it was under the guise of AC (plus it was only a couple of times: I promise!) Anyway, are the Karma points tallied by IP address as well? I guess they should be if this is all to work proper.
Mandrake IMHO is much nicer than RH6.0. I bought (using others money) RH6.0 for the Corporate Cred it brings with it. I pretty much could not stand it from the get go and got more and more dissapointed as time wore on. Though redhat looked good to the bosses, so it made linux an easier sell.
Me, I have not been a redhat user since some 4 version- I could not stand the installer, but I got curious about this RedHat fixed Mandrake distro and downloaded and installed it at home. It is real nice, they seem cool (for redhat types *wink*) and they aren't worth 5.3 billion dollars for using someone elses software.
IMHO, if you are gonna play the game that RedHat is playing, which is betting the bank on free software, you have to be willing to play by the rules(of the license), which is if mandrake, you or I wish to repackage and sell the work as our own, that is our choice, unless we infringe on something not protected by the license.
I am just glad that Mandrake is improving the product.