Search is already integrated into Windows. The Indexing Service works quite well, although it's turned off by default.
I'm sure that will be a source of "oh, see how evil Microsoft is" as soon as Google releases their search tool, but it's been there since Windows 2000. And of course if it wasn't actually there to begin with it would be yet another reason why "Windoze sucks".
Bartko behavior is what JBoss is accused of, I have yet to see it proven
Huh? Read the linked articles. Did you read them? What, do you think this is some sort of concerted anti-JBoss conspiracy? Or anti-open source? JBoss' unethical (there's a word you like) and shady (and another) behavior is a matter of proven fact. It predates this little episode by a couple of years. Hey, use Google. The stuff is out there.
Once identified, Barkto slithered off to... another name
Read them. Read the TSS threads. Go on, make an effort. C'mon now, you can do it. Read through the evidence.
Point it out to me
It has been pointed out to you. But I guess evidence is evidence as far as you're concerned only if it furthers your own beliefs, eh? I'm sure you've been more than happy to accept Microsoft's "evil" on much less evidence than this (stealing from schools, remember?), so what's the problem?
and fuck off
Holy tamales twitter! You do lose your cool rather quickly. That's bad for your cholesterol, did you know?
BTW, I asked you about your assertion that JBoss' "mistake" was bungling the whole anonymous astroturfing thing instead of refraining from doing it in the first place. No response?
twitter! I didn't think I'd see you here. Hey, I was just wondering - would it be OK for me to refer you to this little gem of a story the next time I see you using the tired "Steve Bartko" argument you (judging from your posting history) seem to love so much? You wouldn't mind that, would you?
BTW, are you saying that they were stupid for not figuring out how to be truly anonymous? Oh, wow. That's a fantastic argument!
This whole post seems like a rant from people who have a grudge so deep against
Microsoft that they have made a policy of disagreeing with the company as a whole. Is it any wonder that such a flagrant policy has made Microsoft go undercover? How ironic is it that these people can have a normal discussion with "faceless individuals" but as soon as they realize those individuals were from Microsoft they want to scream bloody murder?
Hope that helps.
Re:This is why...
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You just can't bring yourself to use the ever-hilarious "M$" because of the implied kiddy factor but you need to show you're part of the "in crowd" by mangling the name some other way. It just hurts to type "Microsoft", doesn't it. You start typing "Micr.." and then your fingers tremble. Your vision becomes blurry. The pain... oh, the pain... concentrate! type... uhhhnnnggg... "..o-Soft" Ahhhhh... OK, breathe. Again, breathe. That's it.
Blessed GNU! For a moment there you thought this was it: this was the end. But no, leetness prevails and much karma is had.
If you feel that you are being misrepresented to the world by slashdot's editors
Oh, no. I don't give a rat's ass. In fact, thinking that they are misrepresenting me is actually insulting on several levels. I do enjoy pointing out, however.
If they want to keep running things like they did in 1997 that's their perogotive.
Of course. Stupidity is not a crime.
Nobody here is going to change a thing just because you bitched about it.
Exactly. But since you missed it, here it is again: I wasn't "bitching". Just pointing it out.
During the 80's the Mexican TV media (which was heavily government controlled) for some reason latched on to the whole gang problem in DC and other cities. Every night you'd hear about the drive-by shooting of the day.
To this day many Mexicans have this mental image of the US as a large continuous pockmarked, bullet-ridden ghetto populated mainly with black gangs and white cops.
And then again, many Americans think Mexico is one big desert with a few dusty villages filled with stray dogs and the the obligatory street chickens.
sorry to spoil your joke but adultry is not a crime in Egypt
It isn't now, but it used to be. There are still a lot of honor killings in Egypt, just like in most arab/muslim states.
Your next government might not be secular, and although your rights are ostensibly protected by your constitution, you could find yourself in a whole lotta trouble if you're fooling around with the neighbor's daughter (or wife).
There's always the possibility of Mubarak's conflict with the Muslim Brotherhood to turn into a defeat and a return to a government controlled by people who'd love to enforce sharia in one way or another.
I will say though that Egypt, like Turkey are excellent examples of liberalized, modern and forward-thinking muslim nations.
Two days? Two whole days? Well golly gee whiz. I'm impressed.
You, them, the GNAA trolls, and all the other fucked up regulars make this a fun place to visit.
Coming from the person whose main passtime was to make lame comments about other people's sigs, I'll take that as a compliment. Certainly the level of entertainment provided by pathetic fanboys like your sorry self is something to ponder and enjoy, so let me say thank you as well.
If it wasn't for the ever-insightful and enlightening "editorial comment" attached to these stories I'd be inclined to believe that the slashdot "editors" are merely stupid, but no. They have an agenda, and they're pushing it wholesale.
Of course nobody forces anyone to read slashdot, but the importance of this site as a mouthpiece for the FOSS community has long since surpassed the ability of the "editors" to manage the responsibilities that come with that importance. They think they're still running the little technology blog they created in 1997 (which was actually interesting to read).
The problem with "slashback" is that the "editors" post inflammatory, FUD-ridden crap all week long and then try to make up for it in a tiny three-line paragraph in a story which you need to click to read (which is the minority of people who read this web site). By that time of course the offending article has seen hundreds (if not thousands) of comments and 10 times that many page views (and ad impressions!), so the damage is done.
Again and again, Slashdot has proven to be exceedingly good at fanning the flames of mindless zealotry in its quest to get more page views and generate more ad revenue. Support for XML in Word, requirements for Longhorn, Bill Gates fined, proof of concept "worms", bogus vulnerabilities, etc, etc. The problem is that the first impression is the most important one, and people (especially people who read Slashdot) tend to form their opinion based on what is posted front and center for everyone to see - the stupidity of relying on this place to get news on the latest Microsoft happening is mind-boggling, but it happens nonetheless.
Think about it. OSDN has a website whose sole purpose (it seems) is to publish misinformation on Microsoft. Can you imagine what would happen if Microsoft ran an equivalent site to bash open source? But it's OSDN, so it's OK.
Slashback does not need to appear more frequently, it needs to go away. What needs to happen is for the "editors" to stop posting crap that is misinformed at best and outright lies at worst.
It's impossible for any organization to keep all of the records required to prove software "ownership" when you use M$ cruft. The costs are prohibitive and the evidence of "infringement" required to trigger a raid are laughably low. The effort itself is a waste of public funds as is use of non free software in general but that's what extortion is all about.
Thousands of organizations keep those records. What you think of as "extortion" is called "license enforcement" in the real world. You can despair all you want about how sad it is that everyone is not using "free" software (to use your adjectives, "crud"), but that's besides the point.
Soon people will be able to look back and wonder how anyone could be so foolish as to have bought commercial software when free software worked as well.
I'm sure that will happen Real Soon Now.
Walmart has never demanded that I prove that I actually bought everything inside my house or been given a search warrent because I've been a customer.
WalMart does not license software. If you don't like how commercial software is licensed, I suggest you use something else. If you can find it. Because - and here's the thing you people fail to understand - a computer is more than a browser, an email client, an MP3 player and an office suite. Your vaunted "free software" has a lot of ground to cover before it can compete with commercial software platforms, Windows or otherwise. That, as you like to say, is a matter of "public record".
that would be considered intolerable and unconstitutional elsewhere.
"Elsewhere"? Where is that, another planet? Another dimension? This is how the software world has worked since long before anyone had ever heard of the term "open source".
Your "debunk" is pure and simple revisionism. RH 5.1 was released in mid-1998 with a GNOME preview that was enough for the fanboys to come out of the woodwork and proclaim (in no uncertain terms) Microsoft's impending death. Try searching through the advocacy newsgroups and you'll find plenty of that, I don't have to prove anything beyond what's in the Google archive.
By the time RH 6.2 was released in 1999 it was a sorry excuse for a desktop and an installer (at a time when Win98 SE and Windows 2000 could be installed flawlessly on any of my machines and were actually useable), and it continued that way at least until 7.3. Yet that year - as well as in 2000, 2001 and 2002 - I heard exactly the same thing over and over again. The same thing I heard last year, and the same thing I'm hearing now.
Linux on the desktop is getting better. RH8 still mostly sucked. RH9 was quite good, and while I haven't tried Fedora I assume it will be even better. But the quips about how it's about to set the world on fire "real soon now" are quite apropos. I'm not one to croon about how Linux on the server is about to die because Windows 2003 was just released, but it would be exactly the same thing for me to claim that.
I suggest you revise your revised history a bit more before "debunking" anything. And don't get your panties all in a bunch.
People who use or write open source software are mostly unable to accept criticism of any kind whatsoever. The slightest deviation from "OMFG THIS IS TEH GREATEST!!1!" mantra is automatically characterized as "bashing", the "culprit" labeled a "retard", his family lineage questioned, his preference for small furry animals duly noted and his motives tacked to anything from a Microsoft conspiracy to Tourette's syndrome.
Your post is a perfect example of the deep misunderstanding of how Microsoft works and why they do the things you do. You are describing Unix, with its 40 year-old base being tacked on incessantly to provide more functionality. I.e., Linux kernel->X11->WM->KDE, etc. That is not the Windows "vision", regardless of whether or not that "vision" is the correct one. It is simply different.
Most of the criticisms leveled at Microsoft regarding the directions Windows has taken over the years come from people who expect all operating systems to be similar to Unix because they consider it the One True Way to work with a computer.
To Microsoft, Windows is a product they have long since commoditized. And their customers live with that fact quite happily. This may be hard to understand when you compile your own kernel every Tuesday, but most people couldn't care less how the locking primitives are designed or how good the TCP stack happens to be as long as they can check their mail and play Solitaire.
Echoes of the mainframe folks dissing Unix for being a "toy" always come to mind whenever I see posts like yours.
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Here's where some of Microsoft's big bucks came from
$300K. Wow. Thats an astounding chunk of change. Let's see now, the LA Unified School District's 2003 budget was $403 million dollars (out of just under $5 billion in revenue), while Microsoft's total revenue figures for the same year were $32 billion dollars.
Even ignoring (for your argument's sake) that it's legal to pirate and steal commercial software, and even assuming that the school district indeed paid $5M (which is not true), $300K is equal to 4 hours of budget expenditures by the district and 1/29th of a day's revenue for Microsoft. So I have trouble reconciling this with your claim that "Microsoft is stealing from children", as if some kids in San Mateo were denied their lunch so Microsoft could pad their books.
BTW, just in case you fail to read the BSA press release, here's a relevant quote:
Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD), the second largest school district in the country, agreed to pay BSA $300,000 relating to unlicensed copies of software programs published by Adobe, Autodesk, Corel, Lotus, Microsoft, Novell and Symantec installed on its computers.
I suggest you send a nastygram to all these companies for their part in the "extortion" of "cash-strapped" schools.
Thanks for the opening, I love looking up links like these.
Want some more, bugni man?
It's Bungi, please. And yes, sure. Hit me again.
That Microsoft has bullied cash strapped public schools over copying stupid stuff like M$ Word is a shameful matter of public record
I think we've taken care of the "cash strapped" part. That you consider "M$ Word" to be "stupid" is another matter, and I don't see how enforcement of a license is "shameful" or "bullying", except from your peculiar point of view. I suppose you also believe that "sharing" copyrighted music is A-OK. Do you regularly shoplift at Wal-Mart as well?
Free software, of course, comes with no such strings attached
Of course it doesn't! That's why the LA School District dumped "M$" and went to Free Software in 1998, right? They did that, right? I mean, since "M$" "bullied them" to the tune of "$5M" and essentially bankrupted them, they must have dumped "Windoze" and gone to Debian. In 1998. Right?
I'm happy people like you and him are bothered by my little posts.
No, not bothered. Merely amused. Entertained at seeing you trip all over your bogus arguments, certainly.
Actually, no. I think he's rather talking about you. You see, there is nothing more pathetic than someone who spends his every waking moment to spreading lies and FUD about anything, never mind Microsoft, with retarded gross generalizations like
raiding public school systems and extorting $250,000 or more each time?
... and...
everyone who's used Word and any other processor and can tell you that Word is inferior
... and...
pushing inferior goods and stealing from children
All I have to do is follow the links posted by that AC that follows you around to find more examples of this.
If nothing else, it's funny that you claim the "moral high ground" riding some vague misguided philosophy du jour while you and your ilk do exactly the same things you accuse "Microsoft agents" (Microsoft agents??) of doing.
Yes, I think he was referring to you and people like you who
Microsoft agents who bomb Slashdot, Steve Barkto style, [...] astroturf and now blogs
flood into blogs and newsgroups and sites like Slashdot in anonymous mode, spewing their stupid adolescent "M$" and "everything must be free" mantra because it helps them cope with their insecurities and get the rush of the day.
Slashdot Mirror
I'm sure that will be a source of "oh, see how evil Microsoft is" as soon as Google releases their search tool, but it's been there since Windows 2000. And of course if it wasn't actually there to begin with it would be yet another reason why "Windoze sucks".
Bartko behavior is what JBoss is accused of, I have yet to see it proven
Huh? Read the linked articles. Did you read them? What, do you think this is some sort of concerted anti-JBoss conspiracy? Or anti-open source? JBoss' unethical (there's a word you like) and shady (and another) behavior is a matter of proven fact. It predates this little episode by a couple of years. Hey, use Google. The stuff is out there.
Once identified, Barkto slithered off to ... another name
Read them. Read the TSS threads. Go on, make an effort. C'mon now, you can do it. Read through the evidence.
Point it out to me
It has been pointed out to you. But I guess evidence is evidence as far as you're concerned only if it furthers your own beliefs, eh? I'm sure you've been more than happy to accept Microsoft's "evil" on much less evidence than this (stealing from schools, remember?), so what's the problem?
and fuck off
Holy tamales twitter! You do lose your cool rather quickly. That's bad for your cholesterol, did you know?
BTW, I asked you about your assertion that JBoss' "mistake" was bungling the whole anonymous astroturfing thing instead of refraining from doing it in the first place. No response?
BTW, are you saying that they were stupid for not figuring out how to be truly anonymous? Oh, wow. That's a fantastic argument!
Blessed GNU! For a moment there you thought this was it: this was the end. But no, leetness prevails and much karma is had.
Oh, no. I don't give a rat's ass. In fact, thinking that they are misrepresenting me is actually insulting on several levels. I do enjoy pointing out, however.
If they want to keep running things like they did in 1997 that's their perogotive.
Of course. Stupidity is not a crime.
Nobody here is going to change a thing just because you bitched about it.
Exactly. But since you missed it, here it is again: I wasn't "bitching". Just pointing it out.
Hope that helps!
You must be reading another website my man.
then that contradicts my memory and my available posting history
I remember you precisely because of that. Get a Bashdork subscription and look through your expanded posting history.
To this day many Mexicans have this mental image of the US as a large continuous pockmarked, bullet-ridden ghetto populated mainly with black gangs and white cops.
And then again, many Americans think Mexico is one big desert with a few dusty villages filled with stray dogs and the the obligatory street chickens.
It isn't now, but it used to be. There are still a lot of honor killings in Egypt, just like in most arab/muslim states.
Your next government might not be secular, and although your rights are ostensibly protected by your constitution, you could find yourself in a whole lotta trouble if you're fooling around with the neighbor's daughter (or wife).
There's always the possibility of Mubarak's conflict with the Muslim Brotherhood to turn into a defeat and a return to a government controlled by people who'd love to enforce sharia in one way or another.
I will say though that Egypt, like Turkey are excellent examples of liberalized, modern and forward-thinking muslim nations.
Two days? Two whole days? Well golly gee whiz. I'm impressed.
You, them, the GNAA trolls, and all the other fucked up regulars make this a fun place to visit.
Coming from the person whose main passtime was to make lame comments about other people's sigs, I'll take that as a compliment. Certainly the level of entertainment provided by pathetic fanboys like your sorry self is something to ponder and enjoy, so let me say thank you as well.
Oh, and I love that you actually got modded up!
Of course nobody forces anyone to read slashdot, but the importance of this site as a mouthpiece for the FOSS community has long since surpassed the ability of the "editors" to manage the responsibilities that come with that importance. They think they're still running the little technology blog they created in 1997 (which was actually interesting to read).
Again and again, Slashdot has proven to be exceedingly good at fanning the flames of mindless zealotry in its quest to get more page views and generate more ad revenue. Support for XML in Word, requirements for Longhorn, Bill Gates fined, proof of concept "worms", bogus vulnerabilities, etc, etc. The problem is that the first impression is the most important one, and people (especially people who read Slashdot) tend to form their opinion based on what is posted front and center for everyone to see - the stupidity of relying on this place to get news on the latest Microsoft happening is mind-boggling, but it happens nonetheless.
Think about it. OSDN has a website whose sole purpose (it seems) is to publish misinformation on Microsoft. Can you imagine what would happen if Microsoft ran an equivalent site to bash open source? But it's OSDN, so it's OK.
Slashback does not need to appear more frequently, it needs to go away. What needs to happen is for the "editors" to stop posting crap that is misinformed at best and outright lies at worst.
They can be submitted by anyone.
Perhaps the folks that run Slashdot could offer some advice on this topic.
Let me email Aunt Tillie and tell her about this. I think she was seeing the same problem. So she should just noapicate GRUB, right? OK. Thanks.
Thousands of organizations keep those records. What you think of as "extortion" is called "license enforcement" in the real world. You can despair all you want about how sad it is that everyone is not using "free" software (to use your adjectives, "crud"), but that's besides the point.
Soon people will be able to look back and wonder how anyone could be so foolish as to have bought commercial software when free software worked as well.
I'm sure that will happen Real Soon Now.
Walmart has never demanded that I prove that I actually bought everything inside my house or been given a search warrent because I've been a customer.
WalMart does not license software. If you don't like how commercial software is licensed, I suggest you use something else. If you can find it. Because - and here's the thing you people fail to understand - a computer is more than a browser, an email client, an MP3 player and an office suite. Your vaunted "free software" has a lot of ground to cover before it can compete with commercial software platforms, Windows or otherwise. That, as you like to say, is a matter of "public record".
that would be considered intolerable and unconstitutional elsewhere.
"Elsewhere"? Where is that, another planet? Another dimension? This is how the software world has worked since long before anyone had ever heard of the term "open source".
Hope that helps.
How is Sasser critical, other than as a sort of DOS? I'd like to see this a bit elaborated, if you please.
Also, what's the point of going off on a rant about how this is no big deal BUT LOOK OVER THERE MICROSOFT IS WORSE!!!!
So whatever happens to be wrong with OS X must be immediately weighed against the Windows worm du jour? Is that how you measure your security?
Precisely like 99% of comments in this article, exactly like 99% of all comments posted to every "Apple may be doing something wrong here" articles.
It's amusing but it does get old after a while.
Oh, wait. I know. Ads. More page views, more ads, mo' money. "Microsoft. Headline. Bad." Ka-chin!
What other reason could one possibly have to post this. None. None whatsoever.
Just when you think Bashdork has reached new, unexplored lows, one of these comes along and surprises you.
By the time RH 6.2 was released in 1999 it was a sorry excuse for a desktop and an installer (at a time when Win98 SE and Windows 2000 could be installed flawlessly on any of my machines and were actually useable), and it continued that way at least until 7.3. Yet that year - as well as in 2000, 2001 and 2002 - I heard exactly the same thing over and over again. The same thing I heard last year, and the same thing I'm hearing now.
Linux on the desktop is getting better. RH8 still mostly sucked. RH9 was quite good, and while I haven't tried Fedora I assume it will be even better. But the quips about how it's about to set the world on fire "real soon now" are quite apropos. I'm not one to croon about how Linux on the server is about to die because Windows 2003 was just released, but it would be exactly the same thing for me to claim that.
I suggest you revise your revised history a bit more before "debunking" anything. And don't get your panties all in a bunch.
Welcome to Slashdot.
He wants his headline back.
Most of the criticisms leveled at Microsoft regarding the directions Windows has taken over the years come from people who expect all operating systems to be similar to Unix because they consider it the One True Way to work with a computer.
To Microsoft, Windows is a product they have long since commoditized. And their customers live with that fact quite happily. This may be hard to understand when you compile your own kernel every Tuesday, but most people couldn't care less how the locking primitives are designed or how good the TCP stack happens to be as long as they can check their mail and play Solitaire.
Echoes of the mainframe folks dissing Unix for being a "toy" always come to mind whenever I see posts like yours.
$300K. Wow. Thats an astounding chunk of change. Let's see now, the LA Unified School District's 2003 budget was $403 million dollars (out of just under $5 billion in revenue), while Microsoft's total revenue figures for the same year were $32 billion dollars.
Even ignoring (for your argument's sake) that it's legal to pirate and steal commercial software, and even assuming that the school district indeed paid $5M (which is not true), $300K is equal to 4 hours of budget expenditures by the district and 1/29th of a day's revenue for Microsoft. So I have trouble reconciling this with your claim that "Microsoft is stealing from children", as if some kids in San Mateo were denied their lunch so Microsoft could pad their books.
BTW, just in case you fail to read the BSA press release, here's a relevant quote:
I suggest you send a nastygram to all these companies for their part in the "extortion" of "cash-strapped" schools.Thanks for the opening, I love looking up links like these.
Want some more, bugni man?
It's Bungi, please. And yes, sure. Hit me again.
That Microsoft has bullied cash strapped public schools over copying stupid stuff like M$ Word is a shameful matter of public record
I think we've taken care of the "cash strapped" part. That you consider "M$ Word" to be "stupid" is another matter, and I don't see how enforcement of a license is "shameful" or "bullying", except from your peculiar point of view. I suppose you also believe that "sharing" copyrighted music is A-OK. Do you regularly shoplift at Wal-Mart as well?
Free software, of course, comes with no such strings attached
Of course it doesn't! That's why the LA School District dumped "M$" and went to Free Software in 1998, right? They did that, right? I mean, since "M$" "bullied them" to the tune of "$5M" and essentially bankrupted them, they must have dumped "Windoze" and gone to Debian. In 1998. Right?
I'm happy people like you and him are bothered by my little posts.
No, not bothered. Merely amused. Entertained at seeing you trip all over your bogus arguments, certainly.
Actually, no. I think he's rather talking about you. You see, there is nothing more pathetic than someone who spends his every waking moment to spreading lies and FUD about anything, never mind Microsoft, with retarded gross generalizations like
If nothing else, it's funny that you claim the "moral high ground" riding some vague misguided philosophy du jour while you and your ilk do exactly the same things you accuse "Microsoft agents" (Microsoft agents??) of doing.
Yes, I think he was referring to you and people like you who
flood into blogs and newsgroups and sites like Slashdot in anonymous mode, spewing their stupid adolescent "M$" and "everything must be free" mantra because it helps them cope with their insecurities and get the rush of the day.So yes, he was talking about you.