you are a retarded assmonkey who needs to shut up and read what Richard Stallman has to say about the goals of the FSF and the GPL
Stallman's goals are the erradication of all commercial software. So that "information can be free". Do you contend that? If not then I think a good case can be made that the GPL is his way of extending and embracing the very thing he wants to disappear. It's a passive method of course, unlike "other EULAs", as you so delicately put it. But ultimately it's no different.
It's a tribute to the quality of open source software that he even remotely has a chance to do that, of course. If that wasn't the case then nobody would even bother listening to him.
BTW, "assmonkey" is right up there with "fucktard" in the list of colorful adjectives used by low-IQ Slashdot posters who can't come up with something intelligent to say if their lives depended on it. But then again I can understand your off-the-cuff remarks. The parent post seems to have hit a bit of a soft spot. Very interesting.
Sorry, but that's like saying cholera is not bad as long as I don't catch it.
The term "viral" pisses people like you off because it's convenient to think that it's a term invented solely for the purpose of turning people off from using it, and that's not the case. In cases like this one (and many others that I won't dredge up right now) the adjective is perfectly applicable - it implies a lack of knowledge as to how the license works and how to use it, but it doesn't make it any less "viral". It was used in ignorance, and now the folks that assumed they were OK find themselves "infected". That's what viral means. It doesn't mean that the license in and of itself is evil or incorrect or otherwise wrong.
In fact, Torvalds, says he was extra careful with issues like the IBM Read Copy Update code
I thought he didn't care? As in "I don't want to know what we're putting in, don't tell me"? And now he was "extra careful"? Or is this some other type of IP he's referring to?
Despite that, I don't understand how upgrades are forced. [...] I know people still running on RH 7.1, they aren't dead yet.
Absolutely true - I know companies who are still happily running NT4. The "forced upgrade" myth is just that, a myth. But ultimately even Microsoft (who are excellent at providing long-term support for their products) drop active support for their stuff. That's when you have to decide if you're OK with what you're running or you want to upgrade. That's exactly what RH did. I can run RH 6.2, but I won't get support for it. And in most cases having the source is irrelevant - contrary to popular belief companies don't want the source code, they want the support. If this wasn't the case, RH would have gone down a long time ago. They want point-and-click upgrades, patches, etc. They get the same with Microsoft for many years after sales of a given OS have stopped.
I think it's rather disingenuous to jump from that to "forced upgrades". If I could still buy Windows 98 then maybe you could also argue that Microsoft don't try and force upgrades, but you can't....
The commercial availablity of a Microsoft product has nothing to do with this, and they don't force upgrades anymore than Sybase, Oracle, CA and so on. It's very nice to think that only Microsoft does that, but it's not true. And as companies like SUSE and RH get into the commercial space, they also realize that they can't support products forever. Ergo, you upgrade or you lose support. In any case, you are more than free to continue running your NT4 and Win95 licenses forever. It's not like they expire.
The negociations where in step with what Microsoft is accostumed to doing with big accounts, regardless of who or what the competing "thing" happens to be. And it's no different from what other big software houses (Oracle in particular) do as a matter of fact when engaged in stuff like this. The idea that Microsoft was somehow "more desperate" because it was bidding against Linux is stupid.
Yay free software. They ended up spending millions of dollars more over the Microsoft package. I'm sure training and attrition will offset whatever benefits they could have realized by avoiding the "forced upgrades", which SuSe will most certainly start doing eventually when they come to their senses, just like RH did. In any case, Microsoft was willing to defer the upgrade cycle for them. So it was more expensive and it will probably be about the same in the long run
The vote was 50-30. Doesn't seem to me like an "overhelming" victory. Well, I guess it depends who you're rooting for.
Furthermore, I'd like to continue seeing articles about this topic here. I.e., how is the switch going, how much Munich ends up spending over the next 12 months, what their rate of attrition is, etc. All of previous articles smacked of "hahaa, we stick it to the man!!!1", which is nice but worthless unless all we're interested in is FUD and fluff.
If anything, this will be watched by other cities and companies to see how well it works. I hope it does work, because Microsoft will be forced to change the way it does business. But it better damn work.
Basically, the outsorcing craze has hurt US businesses along with people who have lost their jobs to it. I see it every day. When Amex outsorced their entire IT group to IBM, they really outsorced it to IBM India, and after a while they figured that they were being screwed on the quality. So after their internal clients stopped barking at them, they started subcontracting their old project managers and analysts through US consulting firms, still under IBM India. At crappy rates. The moment the economy picks up even slightly, Amex is going to find itself without the groveling people who used to make $80K+ and now settle for $50K. Even as they continue to use Indians for "grunt" work (read: coding) they have a myriad problems with quality that they didn't have before. Something has to give.
It's been a nice experiment. But overall, if you talk to the folks who made these decisions to "save" money they'll admit that overall it's been more expensive or simply the same (but with the added problems of communication breakdowns and so on).
I think it's just a cycle. Eventually the PHBs that thought they could use $20/hr coders to do the same job that the $80/hr ones did will realize that it was a supremely stupid thing to do and will come to their senses. The price ratio of IT work will level itself out (I have to admit it was insanely high in some isntances) and things will return to normal, or a semblance thereof.
I started the project back in 1997 for personal use, and in November of 2002 decided to make it Open Source under the GPL (although parts have since had their license changed to the LGPL to make using our API (especially our plugin APIs) easier for all kinds of developers). After about 8 months we're getting pretty close to final releases of the project for public consumption.
Since you're giving away your work for free, you need to get companies that are interested in your niche product to fund it. As a general rule, getting money from investors to develop something that is ultimately given away is not a very good idea.
Services and niche-specific funding are probably your best bets. Or, go the way of so many other people who write software and then give it away - set up a Paypal account and ask for tips or something.
No. You don't understand the separation between client and server-side technologies. There is no such thing as a "server-side ActiveX control". There are scripts that can be marked to run on the server, which is a Microsoft extension you can hardly make use of if you're not running IIS. It's mostly used in intranet applications where bandwidth and latency are not an issue.
ActiveX has absolutely nothing to do with ASP, although if you're stupid enough I suppose you can make them work together, at which time you're in a world of hurt or simply out of a job.
Finally, your assertion that ActiveX is an evil conspiracy by Microsoft to force everyone to use IIS is so bogus it's almost painful. Get your facts straight before blathering crap about crap you obviously don't understand.
You misunderstand me. I don't care one flying fuck about moderation. What I do find extremely annoying is people whose replies consist entirely of "I don't like what he's saying, plz mod him down, k? thx". If you're going to respond and flame or praise me in broken English (or Esperanto for all I care), great. Let's get it on. If all you can do is ask for divine intervention in broken English then we have a problem. Either vote with your flame and tell me that I suck, or get some moderator points and play god. Anything else is just a waste of pixels, bandwidth and keyboard lubricant.
Well, post more sensible comments then
Really. "Sensible"? As in "agreeable"? Well, of course. But then I wouldn't have to "worry" about moderation, now would I?
I'll do that as soon as I stop seeing "I don't like what this guy is saying, so please mod him down" replies. It doesn't get any more petty and childish than that. Aside from the whining your friend aspervius (whatever) didn't provide a single valid point as to why my post was "flamebait". It just was, apparently.
And do me a favor and stop playing Super Dork - Defender Of The Lame Post. Thanks.
Haha. Just load into the debugger, and voila. http://itxt.vibrantmedia.com/system/liveintellitxt.asp is serving that crap up to IE5.5 or greater.
Wasn't in my hosts file.
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You may not like it, but it's true. Continue whining about it, but it's true. It may get modded down, but it's true. And your spelling suxx. You must be European.
WTF is up with these sites? Hovering the mouse over the first instance of the word 'architecture' brings up a helpful popup:
Yankee Barn Homes - Architecture
Experience the look and feel of barn architecture, the warmth of antique wood and the strength of timber frame. Authentic post and beam, soaring windows, great floor plans. Built nationwide.
Yes, that's what I call fucking targeted marketing. Way to go Eugenia. Always outdoing yourself.
Not really very helpful but I do feel some vindication after all the "we have in Europaische freedom, hahaha amerika suxx" posts of the past three years.
Leave it to Slashdot to try and wring every last drop of blood from anything that even remotely smells like a "vulnerability", right up there with JavaScript that changes my wallpaper at the behest of evil Romanian hackers - I've always wondered why all those Unix/Linux exploits I see in Bugtraq and SecurityFocus and RedHat advisories don't get so much publicity.
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Probably signed up for Earthlink, logged into Slashdot and clicked on a goatse link. Heart attack and the rest is blubber.
Stallman's goals are the erradication of all commercial software. So that "information can be free". Do you contend that? If not then I think a good case can be made that the GPL is his way of extending and embracing the very thing he wants to disappear. It's a passive method of course, unlike "other EULAs", as you so delicately put it. But ultimately it's no different.
It's a tribute to the quality of open source software that he even remotely has a chance to do that, of course. If that wasn't the case then nobody would even bother listening to him.
BTW, "assmonkey" is right up there with "fucktard" in the list of colorful adjectives used by low-IQ Slashdot posters who can't come up with something intelligent to say if their lives depended on it. But then again I can understand your off-the-cuff remarks. The parent post seems to have hit a bit of a soft spot. Very interesting.
Sorry, but that's like saying cholera is not bad as long as I don't catch it.
The term "viral" pisses people like you off because it's convenient to think that it's a term invented solely for the purpose of turning people off from using it, and that's not the case. In cases like this one (and many others that I won't dredge up right now) the adjective is perfectly applicable - it implies a lack of knowledge as to how the license works and how to use it, but it doesn't make it any less "viral". It was used in ignorance, and now the folks that assumed they were OK find themselves "infected". That's what viral means. It doesn't mean that the license in and of itself is evil or incorrect or otherwise wrong.
But if you keep port 135 open on your DMZ boxes, you deserve to be hanged with a piece of CAT-5 cable.
By $DEITY man! Get out, get drunk, get laid! There'll be plenty of time to poke around libraries when you're 40!
I thought he didn't care? As in "I don't want to know what we're putting in, don't tell me"? And now he was "extra careful"? Or is this some other type of IP he's referring to?
Ooops, lost you there.
Perhaps they should stop copying Windows XP, eh?
Absolutely true - I know companies who are still happily running NT4. The "forced upgrade" myth is just that, a myth. But ultimately even Microsoft (who are excellent at providing long-term support for their products) drop active support for their stuff. That's when you have to decide if you're OK with what you're running or you want to upgrade. That's exactly what RH did. I can run RH 6.2, but I won't get support for it. And in most cases having the source is irrelevant - contrary to popular belief companies don't want the source code, they want the support. If this wasn't the case, RH would have gone down a long time ago. They want point-and-click upgrades, patches, etc. They get the same with Microsoft for many years after sales of a given OS have stopped.
I think it's rather disingenuous to jump from that to "forced upgrades". If I could still buy Windows 98 then maybe you could also argue that Microsoft don't try and force upgrades, but you can't....
The commercial availablity of a Microsoft product has nothing to do with this, and they don't force upgrades anymore than Sybase, Oracle, CA and so on. It's very nice to think that only Microsoft does that, but it's not true. And as companies like SUSE and RH get into the commercial space, they also realize that they can't support products forever. Ergo, you upgrade or you lose support. In any case, you are more than free to continue running your NT4 and Win95 licenses forever. It's not like they expire.
True, and I couldn't blame Munich if they chose SuSe over Windows because of that, as opposed to because of costs or actual benefits.
But you raise an interesting point. I wonder if this had gone down the same way if the bidding was being done by Mandrake, for example.
- The negociations where in step with what Microsoft is accostumed to doing with big accounts, regardless of who or what the competing "thing" happens to be. And it's no different from what other big software houses (Oracle in particular) do as a matter of fact when engaged in stuff like this. The idea that Microsoft was somehow "more desperate" because it was bidding against Linux is stupid.
- Yay free software. They ended up spending millions of dollars more over the Microsoft package. I'm sure training and attrition will offset whatever benefits they could have realized by avoiding the "forced upgrades", which SuSe will most certainly start doing eventually when they come to their senses, just like RH did. In any case, Microsoft was willing to defer the upgrade cycle for them. So it was more expensive and it will probably be about the same in the long run
- The vote was 50-30. Doesn't seem to me like an "overhelming" victory. Well, I guess it depends who you're rooting for.
Furthermore, I'd like to continue seeing articles about this topic here. I.e., how is the switch going, how much Munich ends up spending over the next 12 months, what their rate of attrition is, etc. All of previous articles smacked of "hahaa, we stick it to the man!!!1", which is nice but worthless unless all we're interested in is FUD and fluff.If anything, this will be watched by other cities and companies to see how well it works. I hope it does work, because Microsoft will be forced to change the way it does business. But it better damn work.
It's been a nice experiment. But overall, if you talk to the folks who made these decisions to "save" money they'll admit that overall it's been more expensive or simply the same (but with the added problems of communication breakdowns and so on).
I think it's just a cycle. Eventually the PHBs that thought they could use $20/hr coders to do the same job that the $80/hr ones did will realize that it was a supremely stupid thing to do and will come to their senses. The price ratio of IT work will level itself out (I have to admit it was insanely high in some isntances) and things will return to normal, or a semblance thereof.
If you don't have a rash, go get one. Problem solved.
Next!
Copied verbatim from the article. Impressive, just just like your previous attempts!
Services and niche-specific funding are probably your best bets. Or, go the way of so many other people who write software and then give it away - set up a Paypal account and ask for tips or something.
ActiveX has absolutely nothing to do with ASP, although if you're stupid enough I suppose you can make them work together, at which time you're in a world of hurt or simply out of a job.
Finally, your assertion that ActiveX is an evil conspiracy by Microsoft to force everyone to use IIS is so bogus it's almost painful. Get your facts straight before blathering crap about crap you obviously don't understand.
In short, please stop.
You must be new here.
reduces you to the level of personal attacks
I guess "petty little man" doesn't count.
Don't want to be moderated down?
You misunderstand me. I don't care one flying fuck about moderation. What I do find extremely annoying is people whose replies consist entirely of "I don't like what he's saying, plz mod him down, k? thx". If you're going to respond and flame or praise me in broken English (or Esperanto for all I care), great. Let's get it on. If all you can do is ask for divine intervention in broken English then we have a problem. Either vote with your flame and tell me that I suck, or get some moderator points and play god. Anything else is just a waste of pixels, bandwidth and keyboard lubricant.
Well, post more sensible comments then
Really. "Sensible"? As in "agreeable"? Well, of course. But then I wouldn't have to "worry" about moderation, now would I?
I'll do that as soon as I stop seeing "I don't like what this guy is saying, so please mod him down" replies. It doesn't get any more petty and childish than that. Aside from the whining your friend aspervius (whatever) didn't provide a single valid point as to why my post was "flamebait". It just was, apparently.
And do me a favor and stop playing Super Dork - Defender Of The Lame Post. Thanks.
Wasn't in my hosts file.
You may not like it, but it's true. Continue whining about it, but it's true. It may get modded down, but it's true. And your spelling suxx. You must be European.
It's possible, but I doubt it. A dump of the working set mapped libs for IE shows nothing more exciting than Flash and the Google toolbar.
Yankee Barn Homes - Architecture Experience the look and feel of barn architecture, the warmth of antique wood and the strength of timber frame. Authentic post and beam, soaring windows, great floor plans. Built nationwide.
Yes, that's what I call fucking targeted marketing. Way to go Eugenia. Always outdoing yourself.
Where's your vaunted freedom now, mmm?
Leave it to technology to solve what simple hominid social skillz can't.
Leave it to Slashdot to try and wring every last drop of blood from anything that even remotely smells like a "vulnerability", right up there with JavaScript that changes my wallpaper at the behest of evil Romanian hackers - I've always wondered why all those Unix/Linux exploits I see in Bugtraq and SecurityFocus and RedHat advisories don't get so much publicity.