Understood. But by law, aren't corporations individuals? So why shouldn't they pay income tax? Or are they, only in cases where they want to be? Heck, they already vote albeit without the nicety of registration excepting their lobbyists. One hesitates to consider a corporation on jury duty or having to register with Selective Service.
Is there some intrinsic necessity that it be not both man and machine? Or is it, for example, pettifogging so as to avoid the larger issues by dividing peoples' energies into squabbling over lesser ones?
I don't remember, either. I seem to recall it from some interview he'd done. Might be nice if'n somebody could pin it down. At any rate, whether or not it's original to Heinlein, it's certainly not an unique view, as it was accepted as something of a truism at the Jerry Pournelle RT on GEnie, or by 'most anyone who's given the matter some thought.
Guess my idea of 'social' is different when you said "they never offer anything as a solution."
I immediately thought of women's voting, labor union organizing, civil rights marches, voter-registration drives, ERA, child-labor protests, etc. Perhaps it depends on which movement and what social.
But the way things are now, if you're not a bit paranoid, something is wrong - with you and with the way things are. The very fact that this discussion exists shows that the way things are now is wrong. The fact that many don't understand this is even more wrong.
As for gmail, I thought about it over a couple of weeks and decided I was OK with a software robot using text in the body to serve me text ads - it's immaterial, and (supposedly - fool I, maybe, for taking their word on it) nobody looks at the crap or relates it to me as a human identity. That someone could, should they choose, make that connection is inexcusable - the capability and the choice both.
And the privacy "Richter scale" - yeah, I voted it "interesting" for it's discussion potential, but however well-intentioned or humorous it might be, it's lame at best.
Yeah, the Internet, another dream turns to dust. At my age, doing the same is beginning to look not unattractive.
"Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of civilisation?" The Mahatma: "I think it would be a good idea."
Apple, except perhaps in earliest days, has never seemed to really give a shit about their "image". They _buy_ their image. The lawyers, of course, don't give a damn, looking for any advantage and anyone with pockets, to harm, in service to their masters.
As for all this kind of crap, and the same crap from yesterday, and from tomorrow, a pox upon them and their offspring unto the tenth generation. Sorry, there's just not enough popcorn.
Wonderful question. You asked and people who give a shit answered. Set aside an hour a day, you've got the next twenty years covered. Thanks to all, who reminded me of too much stuff not remembered, and more not yet discovered. Yikes, I got a chill or two just reading through the replies.
Right now I'm playing my way through the Vorkosigan saga, awaiting the next Honor story, and saving for more from Baen and others.
Lester del Rey, Alfred Bester, Simak, track down "An Omnibus of Science Fiction"... "All Flesh is Grass"... van Vogt, Doc Smith, anything by Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein... John D. MacDonald wrote two in the Fifties "Ballroom of the Skies" and "Wine of the Dreamers"...
An aside re six degrees, met a fellow in '69 named Marty, the walls of whose room were bookshelves, all filled with science fiction. He knew each book for author, publisher, year, main and many ancillary characters and their growth or lack thereof, the extrapolated or purported technologies, plots, subplots, the _ideas_; does he still live, I suspect he's still an unparalleled resource.
Track down and frequent a few real used-book stores do they still exist (they're extinct in my city); tell them what you seek.
Fascinating, indeed. Given just the people I've known with peripheral nerve damage, spinal injuries, missing limbs, this could be a Godsend. Were I in a situation to have need for this I'm not sure I'd say never, although I agree I'd be leery of the pain possibilities; one hopes that could be avoided. I've long said I'd be third in line for an eye transplant - one to see if it works, two to make sure it wasn't a fluke, three, sign me up.
You get it. Kodak got it. The market doesn't; or just as correctly, the number of people who value physical living history was too small to make a difference.
IIRC in the early 90's Kodak offered to make photo CDs with or without prints when you sent them film or files. I think I remember that service being available at some drugstores, kiosks, and photo-finishing labs.
Thanks to you and PatPending, I'm now read into something that seems mighty interesting and far over my head. I'm wondering if, or how, this might be applied to the "3d" chips that IBM is/was working on. (Btw, I re-read James P. Hogan's "Inherit the Stars" on Saturday - he mentions stacked chips with internal cooling channels, in 1978.)
Sounds good. Net10 has longer-term pre-paid as well; through them or prepaidonline effective price per minute is less than ten cents a minute. Net10 has made changes; currently, for $100, six months and 1500 minutes; both offer $60 for 90 days and 900 minutes. When I first used Net10 (2006), I don't remember what T-Mobile or others offered. At that time, Net10 seemed the best deal for my needs; I also liked the 'forever rollover', no roaming, no long-distance charges. My essential constraint, then and now, was income well below poverty level.
Consistent with need and budget, I admire anyone who can find a good deal in today's "screw 'em all" cell phone biz.
Net10. Works, cheap, only used as needful. Mine is a Motorola 408g, cost $30, basic phone, good alarm clock also. Nickle per text, a dime a minute in or out for voice.
Watching the progress of the middle of the muddle reminds me of watching amoeba move. How do you tell a fish about water, let alone the stars. Pretty tough, when one is but another fish, albeit with strange hopes for the species' future.
I recall my grandfathers. Both grew up on farms. Tilling was done with a plow pulled by draft animal. Lighting was by candle, kerosene lantern, or acetylene lamp. Water came via a bucket or hand pump from a well. One lived to see Armstrong and Aldrin walk on the Moon.
Once we talked about a few things, some prosaic, some not. His basic position was that after all the things which in his life had been generally considered impossible and which later came to pass, it seemed to him to be presumptuous to rule things in or out.
We've seen that Life exists where it can. I suspect that, whether in a form we may readily recognize or no, it may do so elsewhere. Perhaps we may, as well.
Those temps seem high to me; I run six cores at 100% 24/7 and stay at 41 or 42, with an after-market air cooler. 70C would be shut-down time for my rig.
Thanks, not only for correcting my paltry memory, but also for the clarification and further exposition. Had I mod points, you'd get some.
It was my brother-in-law's TI; I didn't spend much time with it, rather my own Atari 800. On that, I really never got down into the hardware, but did manage a few things during vertical and horizontal blank interrupts. The more heavy-duty technical aspects of all that stuff, then and even more so now, is way over my head.
Please consider that just thirty-odd years ago, one could own a computer that wasn't the university's or corporation's. Whether one came fresh to it or from mainframe milieu, there was an immediacy, a power, a whole new realm of discovery. One no longer had to submit their deck of cards to an acolyte to the high priests of a Burroughs or CDC Behemoth only to get back a core dump due to an errant comma. Some, even now, for reasons of nostalgia or fun, continue their interest and enthusiasm - vibrant 8-bit micro communities are but a search away.
The TI-99/4A offered, amongst other things, 16 sprites with built-in collision detection. At the time this was nigh magical. Sprites were effectively independent of screen - they were a 'floating' layer above it and allowed for some interesting game and simulation possibilities. SCREEN itself was a defined device; one could PEEK and POKE 'most anywhere, and PUT and GET to any device. An entire screen could be represented with a string in memory, its contents readily changed on the fly. One could read data for a string from a DATA statement in program code or from (eventually) floppy; with several strings screen-swapping, almost animation, could be done. Graphics could accompany text adventures. Add sprites? Oh, my. And now with VGA?
You may have to ask "what for?" - others will not.
Thank you for mentioning Ignition! and providing the link. Never heard of it, likely never would have thought to go looking for anything like it. I just finished the introduction and intend to continue until I finish or have to crash.
Way back I'd read about Goddard, von Braun, et al, including some of their papers, and some stuff coming out of a few of the labs; an uncle, who started his career as a chemist in what later became the USAF and whose first assignment was working under Alvarez at Los Alamos, was able to steer me to a few good places. But this is beautiful stuff and a cracking good read.
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Understood. But by law, aren't corporations individuals? So why shouldn't they pay income tax? Or are they, only in cases where they want to be? Heck, they already vote albeit without the nicety of registration excepting their lobbyists. One hesitates to consider a corporation on jury duty or having to register with Selective Service.
Thanks for the most clear explanation I've read about this.
[I'm old and not terribly bright; I've never understood why stuff isn't checked to see if it fits before it is used.]
Is there some intrinsic necessity that it be not both man and machine? Or is it, for example, pettifogging so as to avoid the larger issues by dividing peoples' energies into squabbling over lesser ones?
I don't remember, either. I seem to recall it from some interview he'd done. Might be nice if'n somebody could pin it down. At any rate, whether or not it's original to Heinlein, it's certainly not an unique view, as it was accepted as something of a truism at the Jerry Pournelle RT on GEnie, or by 'most anyone who's given the matter some thought.
Guess my idea of 'social' is different when you said "they never offer anything as a solution."
I immediately thought of women's voting, labor union organizing, civil rights marches, voter-registration drives, ERA, child-labor protests, etc. Perhaps it depends on which movement and what social.
Parents got me a set in '56. I figured the reading I did in it helped me get the scholarship to university.
The more you outlaw, the more incestuous you become.
A little paranoid? Perhaps.
But the way things are now, if you're not a bit paranoid, something is wrong - with you and with the way things are. The very fact that this discussion exists shows that the way things are now is wrong. The fact that many don't understand this is even more wrong.
As for gmail, I thought about it over a couple of weeks and decided I was OK with a software robot using text in the body to serve me text ads - it's immaterial, and (supposedly - fool I, maybe, for taking their word on it) nobody looks at the crap or relates it to me as a human identity. That someone could, should they choose, make that connection is inexcusable - the capability and the choice both.
And the privacy "Richter scale" - yeah, I voted it "interesting" for it's discussion potential, but however well-intentioned or humorous it might be, it's lame at best.
Yeah, the Internet, another dream turns to dust. At my age, doing the same is beginning to look not unattractive.
"Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of civilisation?" The Mahatma: "I think it would be a good idea."
This.
Apple, except perhaps in earliest days, has never seemed to really give a shit about their "image". They _buy_ their image. The lawyers, of course, don't give a damn, looking for any advantage and anyone with pockets, to harm, in service to their masters.
As for all this kind of crap, and the same crap from yesterday, and from tomorrow, a pox upon them and their offspring unto the tenth generation. Sorry, there's just not enough popcorn.
Wonderful question. You asked and people who give a shit answered. Set aside an hour a day, you've got the next twenty years covered. Thanks to all, who reminded me of too much stuff not remembered, and more not yet discovered. Yikes, I got a chill or two just reading through the replies.
Right now I'm playing my way through the Vorkosigan saga, awaiting the next Honor story, and saving for more from Baen and others.
Lester del Rey, Alfred Bester, Simak, track down "An Omnibus of Science Fiction"... "All Flesh is Grass"... van Vogt, Doc Smith, anything by Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein... John D. MacDonald wrote two in the Fifties "Ballroom of the Skies" and "Wine of the Dreamers"...
An aside re six degrees, met a fellow in '69 named Marty, the walls of whose room were bookshelves, all filled with science fiction. He knew each book for author, publisher, year, main and many ancillary characters and their growth or lack thereof, the extrapolated or purported technologies, plots, subplots, the _ideas_; does he still live, I suspect he's still an unparalleled resource.
Track down and frequent a few real used-book stores do they still exist (they're extinct in my city); tell them what you seek.
4. Mandatory drug tests for all members, agents, employees of CIMA
Fascinating, indeed. Given just the people I've known with peripheral nerve damage, spinal injuries, missing limbs, this could be a Godsend. Were I in a situation to have need for this I'm not sure I'd say never, although I agree I'd be leery of the pain possibilities; one hopes that could be avoided. I've long said I'd be third in line for an eye transplant - one to see if it works, two to make sure it wasn't a fluke, three, sign me up.
Dr. Hook?
"A key fact is that the Police are Public Servants. Their salaries are paid by the Public."
Yes. Yes they are. So were the Gestapo and the Stasi.
Good luck to us all.
The trip, yes. National Geographic, to which I had a subscription, had a good article on Walsh and Piccard's endeavor.
The means, decidedly no. I would never suggest reading the article to learn something, of course.
You get it. Kodak got it. The market doesn't; or just as correctly, the number of people who value physical living history was too small to make a difference.
IIRC in the early 90's Kodak offered to make photo CDs with or without prints when you sent them film or files. I think I remember that service being available at some drugstores, kiosks, and photo-finishing labs.
Thanks to you and PatPending, I'm now read into something that seems mighty interesting and far over my head. I'm wondering if, or how, this might be applied to the "3d" chips that IBM is/was working on. (Btw, I re-read James P. Hogan's "Inherit the Stars" on Saturday - he mentions stacked chips with internal cooling channels, in 1978.)
Sounds good. Net10 has longer-term pre-paid as well; through them or prepaidonline effective price per minute is less than ten cents a minute. Net10 has made changes; currently, for $100, six months and 1500 minutes; both offer $60 for 90 days and 900 minutes. When I first used Net10 (2006), I don't remember what T-Mobile or others offered. At that time, Net10 seemed the best deal for my needs; I also liked the 'forever rollover', no roaming, no long-distance charges. My essential constraint, then and now, was income well below poverty level.
Consistent with need and budget, I admire anyone who can find a good deal in today's "screw 'em all" cell phone biz.
Net10. Works, cheap, only used as needful. Mine is a Motorola 408g, cost $30, basic phone, good alarm clock also. Nickle per text, a dime a minute in or out for voice.
Agreed, on all points.
Watching the progress of the middle of the muddle reminds me of watching amoeba move. How do you tell a fish about water, let alone the stars. Pretty tough, when one is but another fish, albeit with strange hopes for the species' future.
I recall my grandfathers. Both grew up on farms. Tilling was done with a plow pulled by draft animal. Lighting was by candle, kerosene lantern, or acetylene lamp. Water came via a bucket or hand pump from a well. One lived to see Armstrong and Aldrin walk on the Moon.
Once we talked about a few things, some prosaic, some not. His basic position was that after all the things which in his life had been generally considered impossible and which later came to pass, it seemed to him to be presumptuous to rule things in or out.
We've seen that Life exists where it can. I suspect that, whether in a form we may readily recognize or no, it may do so elsewhere. Perhaps we may, as well.
Meanwhile, check connections. [grin]
Those temps seem high to me; I run six cores at 100% 24/7 and stay at 41 or 42, with an after-market air cooler. 70C would be shut-down time for my rig.
Thanks, not only for correcting my paltry memory, but also for the clarification and further exposition. Had I mod points, you'd get some.
It was my brother-in-law's TI; I didn't spend much time with it, rather my own Atari 800. On that, I really never got down into the hardware, but did manage a few things during vertical and horizontal blank interrupts. The more heavy-duty technical aspects of all that stuff, then and even more so now, is way over my head.
Better, perhaps, to ask "for whom?"
Please consider that just thirty-odd years ago, one could own a computer that wasn't the university's or corporation's. Whether one came fresh to it or from mainframe milieu, there was an immediacy, a power, a whole new realm of discovery. One no longer had to submit their deck of cards to an acolyte to the high priests of a Burroughs or CDC Behemoth only to get back a core dump due to an errant comma. Some, even now, for reasons of nostalgia or fun, continue their interest and enthusiasm - vibrant 8-bit micro communities are but a search away.
The TI-99/4A offered, amongst other things, 16 sprites with built-in collision detection. At the time this was nigh magical. Sprites were effectively independent of screen - they were a 'floating' layer above it and allowed for some interesting game and simulation possibilities. SCREEN itself was a defined device; one could PEEK and POKE 'most anywhere, and PUT and GET to any device. An entire screen could be represented with a string in memory, its contents readily changed on the fly. One could read data for a string from a DATA statement in program code or from (eventually) floppy; with several strings screen-swapping, almost animation, could be done. Graphics could accompany text adventures. Add sprites? Oh, my. And now with VGA?
You may have to ask "what for?" - others will not.
Thank you for mentioning Ignition! and providing the link. Never heard of it, likely never would have thought to go looking for anything like it. I just finished the introduction and intend to continue until I finish or have to crash.
Way back I'd read about Goddard, von Braun, et al, including some of their papers, and some stuff coming out of a few of the labs; an uncle, who started his career as a chemist in what later became the USAF and whose first assignment was working under Alvarez at Los Alamos, was able to steer me to a few good places. But this is beautiful stuff and a cracking good read.