This is article is what I was referring to with the "phone off" mode. Along with, of course, the fact that most airline personnel will still force you to turn it off entirely. That applies to all phones, of course, but still.
To clarify the SIM card: I meant "replaceable" in the sense that when I pop over to Europe I can buy a pre-paid SIM, toss it in, and call it good. Or use any random SIM I feel like. Just like any other unlocked phone - as opposed to having to hack it. It has the same issue that my phone has - total carrier lock down. Many smartphones are provider agnostic, and for the price the iPhone certainly should be unlockable.
Well... there are some areas that don't "just work". Fortunately, most are just bugs and will be fixed quickly once an SDK is available.
Big things that are missing, though? GPS. High speed internet. Replaceable SIM card. Replaceable battery. Actual "phone off" mode (where you can travel and use the other features without it phoning home constantly).
I have a phone (a helio ocean) that delivers most of the same functionality, cost half as much, and has several features the iPhone lacks (though it is also provider-locked). I love it. It's not 18mos old, but still a pretty good contender. It also needs an SDK in the worst way:D
Seriously - the iPhone is a nice 1.0 product. Wake me when it has GPS and a high-speed connection. iPhone 2.0 is likely a phone I will be buying... but 1.0 just didn't cut it.
As opposed to seeing a whole site where anyone who likes any company but google gets pounded into the dust? Pages and pages of hate, fud, criticism, and conjecture?
I think his comment was reasonable. Not at all lunatic fringe like some Roughly Drafted stuff can be.
Actually - I got rid of my Corvette and bought a fuel efficient Scion. A female friend of mine quipped that a trade like that gained me 6":D
Third party observation by the secretary was that guys who drive reasonable cars are more comfortable with themselves and more stable. Better material, etc.
Like the band? Go see them. They're dead? Listen to them on whatever they left.
This is the most retarded argument in history. Here's the easiest sum up: My box of records weighs 80lbs and contains only a few dozen CDs. When the fires threatened my house I left it. My 400 disc cases of CDs (all 4 of them) combined were light enough that my 9 year old carried them to the car when the fires were coming. My external hard-disc containing everything on those CDs, everything on that vinyl, plus 100 albums from itunes goes with me everywhere, every day.
So my opinion on this is that Vinyl is DEAD. It, like Disco, was cute while it lasted. Stereophiles (NOT music lovers) can argue it into the ground, but I'm *never* buying another record. They stop doing CDs? Fine. They stop doing downloads? Fine. Never will I buy another medium that weighs a shitload and degrades horribly over such a short time.
Dude - you need to get back on the meds! We don't shoot people or jail them for treason when they attempt to follow or amend the law in this country. Try China if you like governments that run that way.
This is a simple state's rights/federal rights issue. The states want to *cough* create additional revenue streams *cough* improve the air quality and the feds don't want to screw with the free flow of commerce. (That commerce clause has frequently been used as a federalist beat stick)
However, if you don't like the laws the state you live in passes? Move! You're free to, any time you like. If the fed takes up the standards, then it becomes a much nastier issue.
This is a trick question since there are only 3 phones with APPLE iTunes (hint: 2 are Motorolas and one is an Apple)
Multi-touch? Give it 1 year:D
But I counter your argument with this: Take a look at the Windows, Palm, and Symbian smart phones. Tons of apps (mostly free) the ability to browse the web quite nicely. Most have a pretty fair amount of storage plus *gasp* EXPANSION SLOTS. No, there is no expansion slot on the iPhone.
My Helio Ocean displays sites quite nicely - especially with Opera on it (no, you don't get that bundled). The Windows/Palm/Symbian phones do a pretty decent job. Only phone I can think of that stands out as a terrible browser is the Blackberry.
How about this? Name me a phone with SD expansion, Video, Audio, Web, free third-party apps, OTA and cabled sync, and 3G? That's quite a long list.
1) I am the target. I am an Apple user, with an iPod, MacBook Pro, Mac mini, etc. I have several thousand invested in Apple products. I am a young (under 30) fashion conscious person with a sick amount of disposable income.
2) The interface has not been intuitive to anyone from what I've seen around here! The frikin' genius didn't even realize you can't search for people in the contact list. Well, guess what. I have more than 10 friends. People keep tilting it sideways and being surprised when the app doesn't recognize it. The on-screen keyboard isn't where it would be useful, and doesn't shift like it should.
3) You go on and on about the design, how thin it is, etc. Are you kidding me? It's really nothing special. Sure, it's kinda pretty, but if you compare it to a blackberry it doesn't sit as well in the hand, have the same level of intuitive interface, etc.
Here's what it is: It's a "look at me, I'm cool" 1st gen toy. It's not even a terribly good one. They sold over 1M. So? They sold over 1M Zunes, too. WTF is your point? Sell 10M, now we're talking.
I wanted one. I wanted one *bad*. Until I got to use one, anyhow. It really does fall flat.
To be honest, I just don't care for the iPhone. My coworkers have them. I have played with them all over. I even borrowed one for a couple hours.
I just don't get it. It's not intuitive to me, it's too slow (the whole interface seems to be the UI equiv of William Shatner) and I just don't like it.
Where's the SEARCH in the Address book? Where's the replaceable battery? Where's the GPS? Where's the 3G high-speed? Where's the decent audio jack?
Ok, that is awesome! I am a long time Linux guy, a long time OSX user, and a recent Vista guy (my newly assigned laptop has it). Wow, that's the most amazingly true assessment of Vista ever.
Consistent like Linux - every app is incompatible with practically everything, nothing is where you expect it to be, and they all behave differently.
Security of windows - I get all these prompts when I try to do stuff like remove a shortcut, but some stuff randomly lets me do whatever ( I know, there are reasons and reasons and reasons - but the effect is the same)
Openness and price point of OSX - Vista is expensive, closed for the most part, and even the version scheme is closed LOL
Wait - I don't understand... you have linux machines, you use linux machines, and you think PuTTY and WinSCP are great tools keeping you from using linux?
I assume you mean that there is a lack of graphical utilities under Linux for SCP/SSH? Konquerer has an scp agent built in (fish://user@host/path/to/dir), Gnome allows you to mount a server via ssh/scp, OSX has Fugu, and if you want a graphical SSH then kssh is pretty much identical to PuTTY (though personally, I like my shells to be simpler).
Now, the other arguments (number of sales/downloads etc) I can't argue. I have to admit in my own development I see far more OSX downloads than Windows, and more Linux than OSX. Of course, what I write is primarily server monitoring apps and dashboard/konfabulator stuff so that would be logical.
I hate ATT, but the fact is you don't have to lie or act dumb. I had two phones (1 I bought full price, one subsidized) and all I had to do was call, tell them that I wanted the phones unlocked, pay the retail difference on the subsidized one (about $60) and it was fine.
It did take about a week to get the call back with the unlock code, but they didn't give me any real grief.
Why a culture that can invent warp travel, transporters, and IDF generators is incapable of keeping highly trained personnel from being blown up by their consoles is beyond me.
I mean, hello - does your desktop explode whenever it encounters an error?
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This is article is what I was referring to with the "phone off" mode. Along with, of course, the fact that most airline personnel will still force you to turn it off entirely. That applies to all phones, of course, but still.
To clarify the SIM card: I meant "replaceable" in the sense that when I pop over to Europe I can buy a pre-paid SIM, toss it in, and call it good. Or use any random SIM I feel like. Just like any other unlocked phone - as opposed to having to hack it. It has the same issue that my phone has - total carrier lock down. Many smartphones are provider agnostic, and for the price the iPhone certainly should be unlockable.
Well... there are some areas that don't "just work". Fortunately, most are just bugs and will be fixed quickly once an SDK is available.
:D
Big things that are missing, though? GPS. High speed internet. Replaceable SIM card. Replaceable battery. Actual "phone off" mode (where you can travel and use the other features without it phoning home constantly).
I have a phone (a helio ocean) that delivers most of the same functionality, cost half as much, and has several features the iPhone lacks (though it is also provider-locked). I love it. It's not 18mos old, but still a pretty good contender. It also needs an SDK in the worst way
Seriously - the iPhone is a nice 1.0 product. Wake me when it has GPS and a high-speed connection. iPhone 2.0 is likely a phone I will be buying... but 1.0 just didn't cut it.
Great MIB Ref :D
I also happen to be highly amused by that particular pair of sigs...
Write a quick shell script for ipfw.
Make it a terminal shortcut.
Put it someplace that you can find while sipping you "quad latte".
Some people really need to think a little - find me an OS that's perfect. Any OS. With no 3rd party tools.
As opposed to seeing a whole site where anyone who likes any company but google gets pounded into the dust? Pages and pages of hate, fud, criticism, and conjecture?
I think his comment was reasonable. Not at all lunatic fringe like some Roughly Drafted stuff can be.
Dude, that's like saying Kate (my all-time fav Unix editor) is cross-platform.
:)
Just because it runs on multiple chipsets doesn't mean it's compatible with multiple OS platforms.
Sure - you can run it anywhere that X11 runs... but that requires quite a lot of 'other' stuff
The terms above are clear, but there are still gray areas to this. I think it will expose them to a lawsuit.
:)
Content may be too vague, and the terms do not read like a model consent form at all. I expect it will get its day in court
I still use edit/tpu :D
How's that for not moving with the times?
I prefer the term "stereophiles" because they listen to the stereo, not the music ;)
Actually - I got rid of my Corvette and bought a fuel efficient Scion. A female friend of mine quipped that a trade like that gained me 6" :D
Third party observation by the secretary was that guys who drive reasonable cars are more comfortable with themselves and more stable. Better material, etc.
Of course, I then bought an M3 and ruined it all!
Yeah - that's life in Southern California :)
But see, that's the funny thing about fires and floods. They help you to regain perspective.
I agree entirely.
Like the band? Go see them. They're dead? Listen to them on whatever they left.
This is the most retarded argument in history. Here's the easiest sum up:
My box of records weighs 80lbs and contains only a few dozen CDs. When the fires threatened my house I left it.
My 400 disc cases of CDs (all 4 of them) combined were light enough that my 9 year old carried them to the car when the fires were coming.
My external hard-disc containing everything on those CDs, everything on that vinyl, plus 100 albums from itunes goes with me everywhere, every day.
So my opinion on this is that Vinyl is DEAD. It, like Disco, was cute while it lasted. Stereophiles (NOT music lovers) can argue it into the ground, but I'm *never* buying another record. They stop doing CDs? Fine. They stop doing downloads? Fine. Never will I buy another medium that weighs a shitload and degrades horribly over such a short time.
Random example from google: http://www.keynamics.com/
Dude - you need to get back on the meds! We don't shoot people or jail them for treason when they attempt to follow or amend the law in this country. Try China if you like governments that run that way.
This is a simple state's rights/federal rights issue. The states want to *cough* create additional revenue streams *cough* improve the air quality and the feds don't want to screw with the free flow of commerce. (That commerce clause has frequently been used as a federalist beat stick)
However, if you don't like the laws the state you live in passes? Move! You're free to, any time you like.
If the fed takes up the standards, then it becomes a much nastier issue.
This is a trick question since there are only 3 phones with APPLE iTunes (hint: 2 are Motorolas and one is an Apple)
:D
Multi-touch? Give it 1 year
But I counter your argument with this:
Take a look at the Windows, Palm, and Symbian smart phones. Tons of apps (mostly free) the ability to browse the web quite nicely. Most have a pretty fair amount of storage plus *gasp* EXPANSION SLOTS. No, there is no expansion slot on the iPhone.
My Helio Ocean displays sites quite nicely - especially with Opera on it (no, you don't get that bundled). The Windows/Palm/Symbian phones do a pretty decent job. Only phone I can think of that stands out as a terrible browser is the Blackberry.
How about this? Name me a phone with SD expansion, Video, Audio, Web, free third-party apps, OTA and cabled sync, and 3G? That's quite a long list.
Sorry - gotta disagree with both of you :)
1) I am the target. I am an Apple user, with an iPod, MacBook Pro, Mac mini, etc. I have several thousand invested in Apple products. I am a young (under 30) fashion conscious person with a sick amount of disposable income.
2) The interface has not been intuitive to anyone from what I've seen around here! The frikin' genius didn't even realize you can't search for people in the contact list. Well, guess what. I have more than 10 friends. People keep tilting it sideways and being surprised when the app doesn't recognize it. The on-screen keyboard isn't where it would be useful, and doesn't shift like it should.
3) You go on and on about the design, how thin it is, etc. Are you kidding me? It's really nothing special. Sure, it's kinda pretty, but if you compare it to a blackberry it doesn't sit as well in the hand, have the same level of intuitive interface, etc.
Here's what it is:
It's a "look at me, I'm cool" 1st gen toy. It's not even a terribly good one. They sold over 1M. So? They sold over 1M Zunes, too. WTF is your point? Sell 10M, now we're talking.
I wanted one. I wanted one *bad*. Until I got to use one, anyhow. It really does fall flat.
To be honest, I just don't care for the iPhone. My coworkers have them. I have played with them all over. I even borrowed one for a couple hours.
I just don't get it. It's not intuitive to me, it's too slow (the whole interface seems to be the UI equiv of William Shatner) and I just don't like it.
Where's the SEARCH in the Address book? Where's the replaceable battery? Where's the GPS? Where's the 3G high-speed? Where's the decent audio jack?
Comeon Apple, you can do better.
This was totally what I first thought of.
I used to have accounts on GEnie and INN, but when a bunch of my friends got Prodigy, I had to buy Prodigy too.
I was so excited when I got my first real "Email" from CompuServe - it was amazing. I cancelled all my other accounts and kept only CompuServe.
Now? I guess it's just another old idea that's new again.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
:D
Ok, that is awesome!
I am a long time Linux guy, a long time OSX user, and a recent Vista guy (my newly assigned laptop has it). Wow, that's the most amazingly true assessment of Vista ever.
Consistent like Linux - every app is incompatible with practically everything, nothing is where you expect it to be, and they all behave differently.
Security of windows - I get all these prompts when I try to do stuff like remove a shortcut, but some stuff randomly lets me do whatever ( I know, there are reasons and reasons and reasons - but the effect is the same)
Openness and price point of OSX - Vista is expensive, closed for the most part, and even the version scheme is closed LOL
Mod this dude up
The irony is not lost on me - I have had many people argue with me that testing is worthless.
These same people later pay heavily for me to rescue their production systems.
AWESOME!!! Use the hdd's shock detection mechanism to determine when someone is banging on the desk!
"Would you prefer us to reinstall linux?" LOL
Wait - I don't understand... you have linux machines, you use linux machines, and you think PuTTY and WinSCP are great tools keeping you from using linux?
I assume you mean that there is a lack of graphical utilities under Linux for SCP/SSH? Konquerer has an scp agent built in (fish://user@host/path/to/dir), Gnome allows you to mount a server via ssh/scp, OSX has Fugu, and if you want a graphical SSH then kssh is pretty much identical to PuTTY (though personally, I like my shells to be simpler).
Now, the other arguments (number of sales/downloads etc) I can't argue. I have to admit in my own development I see far more OSX downloads than Windows, and more Linux than OSX. Of course, what I write is primarily server monitoring apps and dashboard/konfabulator stuff so that would be logical.
I hate ATT, but the fact is you don't have to lie or act dumb. I had two phones (1 I bought full price, one subsidized) and all I had to do was call, tell them that I wanted the phones unlocked, pay the retail difference on the subsidized one (about $60) and it was fine.
It did take about a week to get the call back with the unlock code, but they didn't give me any real grief.
Why a culture that can invent warp travel, transporters, and IDF generators is incapable of keeping highly trained personnel from being blown up by their consoles is beyond me.
I mean, hello - does your desktop explode whenever it encounters an error?
Seriously - I totally frikkin hate that. I play a game for FUN and RELAXATION. If I wanted stress, I'd be at work.
Or, for example, rock climbing on Half Dome rather than in the gym with all those silly ropes and pads. Heck, why use ropes? It kills the immersion!
Even worse are when the saves are totally worthless, like in Ninja Gaiden for Gameboy Advance where the save game is a stupid cipher.