Is it just me, or does there seem to be a lot of coverage of M$ around here lately. Just look up and down the page and you'll see Borg Images everywhere. Sigh...
Doesn't Microsoft think that Open Source undermines the whole capitalist way of doing business in America, and that it will cost the economy billions of dollars that should rightfully go to proprietary software vendors (read Microsoft).
Hard to say if it was a good choice or not. Look at google - that's not exactly a normal word, and before they became big you may have felt a tad shy telling your customers that "we should use google to do our searching". I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. To me the important thing is that they keeping making an excellent CMS product, and I believe that they will.
Well, seems like it's the usual. If you can't make a superior product and win in the marketplace, then bring out the patents and the laywers. I wish all these patent crazy companies would invest their creative (no pun intended lol) energy on product development. Then they might actually come up with better products and profits!
Well, I think we are arguing different points here. I understand what you are saying, but I believe that Miro really dropped the ball on this one. A large community of developers has worked hard at making Mambo an award winning CMS. Miro started to offer commercial services around the product, and that is fine, companies need to make money.
But, I believe if this foundation thing had been managed properly, it would never have come to this. To totally piss off the entire core development groups to the point where they want to leave sounds to me like too many suits were involved and they didn't understand the can of worms they were opening up.
Imho, it would have been far better/easier to fully involve the core developers in how a foundation should be formed. That does not seem to be the case according to the devs. I know who I believe.
Hmmm, perception does matter. That's an interesting perspective that you have, I was thinking that this really does not look good on Miro. Lol. They managed to alienate the whole dev community in one swoop. Now the question is, what is the Mambo foundation going to do with a bunch of code and no one that knows its internals. The people who know and love the code have moved on to do things they way they believe they should be done. I think I am hearing that Miro is trying to convince the world that it would be good to get a new dev team - nice try!
I think it means that almost everyone that uses Mambo will go with the developers and upgrade to whatever they end up calling the new release when they are ready to launch. The new community up at opensourcematters.org is really gaining momentum quickly.
Not sure what this means for other CMS projects - perhaps they will gain some extra mindshare from those that are fearful of what all this means for the future of Mambo, etc. Personally, I use Mambo and I have confidence in the core developers to continue making a great product and of course it is nice that they understand what open source is all about, even if Miro/The Foundation do not.
I run Firefox regularity on OS X, and I never have seen the problems you descibe. Have used it on OS X 10.3 and 10.4. Just did a normal install, nothing special to set up or anything. Guess that doesn't solve your problem, but it seems like it might be sonething specific to your powerbook, not the FF/OS X combo
Yeah, nice to see the information getting out onto the net. I'm Canadian too, and I found it hugely irritating that they suddenly closed the lid on this when it was finally getting to the interesting bits. Way to go blogger! The Canadian public wants and deserves to know what is happening. It was millions of our tax dollars that were involved after all. Sometimes I think the gov forgets where the money comes from!
"Microsoft already makes a good office suite that doesn't cost much" - well I would beg to differ. I think Office is quite expensive, specially if you have a lot of desktops. If you are in a position to just get rid of those MS licenses and switch everything over to OO, cost savings are significant, specially down the road when you don't have to add hundreds of dollars for every new box you bring into the company. And, your maintenance issues will not be impacted longterm because you will have one open source product to support instead of a closed proprietary one.
Obviously there is some cost to switching over on the training side etc. But once you have that under your belt, think of all the cool things your department could spend those dollars on instead of giving them to M$.
They are looking for people to help on the project that is going to create the OS X native support. Head on over there if you want to help out. Should be an interesting project.
That's what I figured. Well, I for one wish you guys all the best of luck. Sounds like someone's worst nightmare coming true. Maybe you're one of the lucky people who are not involved in this wonderful joy:)
Can you imagine working in that IT department right now. My first reaction when I saw this story was that I felt incredibly sorry for those IT guys and gals. Must be hell over there right now!
I know I always sweat when releasing new software, at least I don't have to worry about effecting the bank accounts of millions of people. That would truly be scary!
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I think what they don't like is the fact that "many a truth is spoken in jest".
Can't have the masses knowing what is really going on if at all possible!
Is it just me, or does there seem to be a lot of coverage of M$ around here lately. Just look up and down the page and you'll see Borg Images everywhere. Sigh...
Doesn't Microsoft think that Open Source undermines the whole capitalist way of doing business in America, and that it will cost the economy billions of dollars that should rightfully go to proprietary software vendors (read Microsoft).
Oh, the hipocracy!
Hard to say if it was a good choice or not. Look at google - that's not exactly a normal word, and before they became big you may have felt a tad shy telling your customers that "we should use google to do our searching". I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. To me the important thing is that they keeping making an excellent CMS product, and I believe that they will.
Well, seems like it's the usual. If you can't make a superior product and win in the marketplace, then bring out the patents and the laywers. I wish all these patent crazy companies would invest their creative (no pun intended lol) energy on product development. Then they might actually come up with better products and profits!
Well, I think we are arguing different points here. I understand what you are saying, but I believe that Miro really dropped the ball on this one. A large community of developers has worked hard at making Mambo an award winning CMS. Miro started to offer commercial services around the product, and that is fine, companies need to make money.
But, I believe if this foundation thing had been managed properly, it would never have come to this. To totally piss off the entire core development groups to the point where they want to leave sounds to me like too many suits were involved and they didn't understand the can of worms they were opening up.
Imho, it would have been far better/easier to fully involve the core developers in how a foundation should be formed. That does not seem to be the case according to the devs. I know who I believe.
Cheers
Hmmm, perception does matter. That's an interesting perspective that you have, I was thinking that this really does not look good on Miro. Lol. They managed to alienate the whole dev community in one swoop. Now the question is, what is the Mambo foundation going to do with a bunch of code and no one that knows its internals. The people who know and love the code have moved on to do things they way they believe they should be done. I think I am hearing that Miro is trying to convince the world that it would be good to get a new dev team - nice try!
I think it means that almost everyone that uses Mambo will go with the developers and upgrade to whatever they end up calling the new release when they are ready to launch. The new community up at opensourcematters.org is really gaining momentum quickly.
Not sure what this means for other CMS projects - perhaps they will gain some extra mindshare from those that are fearful of what all this means for the future of Mambo, etc. Personally, I use Mambo and I have confidence in the core developers to continue making a great product and of course it is nice that they understand what open source is all about, even if Miro/The Foundation do not.
I run Firefox regularity on OS X, and I never have seen the problems you descibe. Have used it on OS X 10.3 and 10.4. Just did a normal install, nothing special to set up or anything. Guess that doesn't solve your problem, but it seems like it might be sonething specific to your powerbook, not the FF/OS X combo
Cheers
I'm just waiting for the day when we no longer have to hear stories about this guy and his company. Time to move on and look for another venture Darl.
Of course it is!
It is pretty scary, isn't it!
Yeah, nice to see the information getting out onto the net. I'm Canadian too, and I found it hugely irritating that they suddenly closed the lid on this when it was finally getting to the interesting bits. Way to go blogger! The Canadian public wants and deserves to know what is happening. It was millions of our tax dollars that were involved after all. Sometimes I think the gov forgets where the money comes from!
No kidding. I thought maybe the whole book was posted up here!
Definitely both!
"Microsoft already makes a good office suite that doesn't cost much" - well I would beg to differ. I think Office is quite expensive, specially if you have a lot of desktops. If you are in a position to just get rid of those MS licenses and switch everything over to OO, cost savings are significant, specially down the road when you don't have to add hundreds of dollars for every new box you bring into the company. And, your maintenance issues will not be impacted longterm because you will have one open source product to support instead of a closed proprietary one.
Obviously there is some cost to switching over on the training side etc. But once you have that under your belt, think of all the cool things your department could spend those dollars on instead of giving them to M$.
They are looking for people to help on the project that is going to create the OS X native support. Head on over there if you want to help out. Should be an interesting project.
That's what I figured. Well, I for one wish you guys all the best of luck. Sounds like someone's worst nightmare coming true. Maybe you're one of the lucky people who are not involved in this wonderful joy :)
Cheers
Can you imagine working in that IT department right now. My first reaction when I saw this story was that I felt incredibly sorry for those IT guys and gals. Must be hell over there right now!
I know I always sweat when releasing new software, at least I don't have to worry about effecting the bank accounts of millions of people. That would truly be scary!