When I am hungry and I have no money I steel the food. That simple.
If I died hunger, would that be more ehtic in your view ?
Besides that, your example with the cab-driver does not work. The homeless would intrude a foreign property and force (kidnap, so to say) a human. There is a big difference, not alone in the amount of violence required.
Four years ago I went to the music-store. I wanted to buy the Bomfunk MC's "Burning Sneaker" CD. I could have downloaded it from the net. I didn't, simply, because I like the band and wanted to reward them for my funky funky.
Guess what ?!
The CD did cost 10% of the (then) monthly netto income of the country I live in. Again in words: TEN FUCKING PERCENT OF MONTHLY NETTO INCOME.
And it got better:
The CD read: Not compatible with PC and MAC. Too bad I have sold my CD player and replaced it with a HTPC...
The CD is published by SONY music!
Did you know, that SONY got big by COPYING US radios ? Heck, half if not more of the Japanese economy got built on copying and imitating other people's invention. _Then_ they started innovating. With the money, they got by copying other people's stuff. Right.
So, I had to pay for a CD, costing 10% of this countries monthly netto income, which was not usable on my AV entertainment system...
No, what I am addressing is that the low performance of this CPU (lower than P3 Celeron Speeds) is not suited for most of the games.
If playing old games the ones to choose from are either DOS games (how would you play them on XP ?) and old Win9X games.
Referring MAME was, because this would be a typical app most people will want to run on a handheld (see ports for handheld if you don't believe).
But for that it is too slow.
So, you can't play MAME. You can't play modern PC games. You can't play DOS games, due to the OS. Then, take all the Win9x games, that need different versions of DirectX. You know, that there is good games, that won't work with newer DirectX being installed ?
So, to make a sum: Whoever buys this geadget is stupid or has been fooled. But then, you make a good candidate, right ?
Tell me, Anonymous, what will this handheld be able to play, that makes it worth its money ?
Better: Tell me what this handheld will be able to play, that would not run on anther PDA with a DOS emulator or the like ?
This system won't be able to playback videos as well.
There is not only the US. I live in EU. Our shops carry very nice PDAs, based on Windows PocketPC OS. They come with full GPS equipment and other stuff for about 379 Euro ! Only dislike I have with them is the missing 1.8" hda and the plastic case.
I love to have the map visible and a voice guiding me, when I visit abroad with the car.
Seriously... Who needs that shit ?
The VIE EDEN platform is not capalbe of playing high qulaity games.
The old DOS based games you could play would be fine with DOS.
A lot of people might fall on the "plays thousands of PC games" because they think it plays them DOOM3 oh the tram. It won't.
When do these companies realize the real need ?
A PDA below the USD400 price tag in metal casing, with classical PDA functions and a built in 1.8" HDA so you can seriously use it for MP3.
Oh, and add a GPRS system.
I was doing IM on packet long before there was IM for the internet.
I doubt so. Fact is, most people are not aware of the classic communications programs. One of them would be "Talk", which allows you to chit-chat with anyone who has a real account (user@machine.network.domain).All you do is
#> talk user@host
This not only was a life-chat program, but some incarnations would allow to leave messages. I must admit, that I know only more modern incarnations, that came with answer-machine and what ever.
Just later came those IM systems which use a central server due to the dynamic IP connections of ordinary users.
I use Clarkconnect Linux running on a 500Mhz VIA Epia mobo set into a tiny, Flex ATX IBM Netvista case. Web browser-adminable Samba, WWW, DNS, Squid, SSH...you name it. Total cost? About $200 using a 40Gb HD and 128Mb RAM.
So what ? That's not the point. I got a VIA C3M266-L ATX board with a Nehemiah 1GHz, a 2nd NIC, WLAN and a 4ch IPC Vortex S-ATA RAID Controller with 3x 120GB in RAID-5, and I plan adding one single JBOD swap-frame for backup purposes. But what do I do if the 3 hda are full (actually 2 hda since it is RAID-5) ? P2P helps in that. I need a second RAID controller (expensive) and thus a new mobo, since I used already 3 PCI. So, I need to buy a new base-system, even new CPU since this is a VIA and does not work in all So370. Ditch that! What I want is a real nice and expandable NAS.
To me this seems like the ideal candidate for a community-built project. More and more of us utilize servers at home and sometimes it might be just better to attach external storage-subsystems than building newer and bigger computers.
When I built my HomeServer the first option I was investigating was to modularize everything. However I had to discover, that this is not a good position: The stuff on the market just did not fit my needs: To expensive. Too "smallish". Too "touch-the-market" of AOL users. So I ended up with a ATX VIA board and a C3 Nehemiah CPU with a 3ch ICP Vortex S-ATA controller, a 2nd NIC and WLAN card.
However, I wonder, why the community does not create some own inventions, custom-tailored for private users and, most importantly, not limited in possibilites, due to fear of support-problems with AOL users.
A community built NAS could consits of a small embedded computer, with onboard hardware RAID own cache (min. 4ch S-ATA) and come with a good case. Cases have been built by the community. Embedded systerms also. So, why not ?:-)
Best would be to offer the board and driver/software and let customers build their own beast. Maybe with syste-boards, that can be combined to offer more power.
"Now on to the disagreement stage: You really don't want C3 to go PGA, that's a big fat waste of money in both packaging and mounting departments.
Well, I don't want one. You are right.
I already have one ! [C3 Nehemiah 1GHz on VIA C3M266-L uATX, So370]
It would be better if they just made a board with two soldered Nehemiah-core CPUs, with big fat heat sinks, in an atx form factor (not itx)
Well, I see what you mean. But I do not agree. What if I can get a faster CPU within 12 months ? I need to exchange the whole CPU+Mobo, along with possible incompatibility/stability issues with the hardware, that I already purchased for that mobo. No no, I do not care for those few extra bucks, but get a "real" system instead. So the above stands:
I want a dual C5P So370 system on CM400 chipset in uATX FF. No more, no less. But, as I know, it won't happen.:-(
VIA C3 (C5P core). Has double-RNG and AES hardware integrated. Perfect for VPN and WLAN.
At 1.2GHz it is not very fast (due to architecture) but consumes very (!) low energy and is coolable passive. Perfect for a home-server, that is 24/7 and in your living-room
is SMP capable
a 3x PCI 0x AGP SMP ATX board would make the perfect Home-Server. It would offer possibility for a WLAN card, a 4ch S-ATA RAID controller and a 2nd NIC, maybe with embedded firewall.
While one CPU is serving the net and procmailing, the other one could compress some tarbz2 for the backup.
Well, I am aware, this is a server and not firewall/router, but why not combine it, especially since the firewall is a spearate system here. So yes, OpenBSD should really have SMP. Too bad VIA does not plan the C5P as So370 version and matching mobo, but in future such things might come. Why not ?
Innovation is a characteristic of the Amiga 'spirit' wouldn't you say.
Yes, I'd say:) You are right in this regard.
And you are also right saying, that it is difficult to define 'spirit'. I tend to say: The body, wherein the spirit resides, defines it. Of course, this is vague.
For me Amiga spirit is not so much the looks. It is the ease of use, doing things very lightwieght and mostly: non-monolithic. I am not talking kernel but application here. Strong messaging and inter-applicatopn-programming, is Amiga-spirit IMO. Even more Amiga-spirit is the possibility for the user to do complex things easily. Something neither Linux nor Windows do offer.
If you're thinking of 'spirit' like in the demo scene, remember that Linux is not a hardware platform:(
Absolutely not. I am not so much into Amiga-hardware. I am into the OS and the applications.
Some examples:
Desktop symbols represent their actual value. They are not a virtual representation. On KDE (also Windows) when I drop a shortcut icon onto the text-editor all that gets pasted into is the URI of the linked document. As text ! Lol! On Amiga I lay my hand on the real thing. Still I am protected from doing mistakes by accident with the real thing.
Ram Disk is Amiga spirit. Not to dearch to the disk, but to a virtual RAM disk.
Application scriptin using ONE interface (here: ARexx) not many. Try to combine Konqueror and Emacs. Difficult to impossible. However, combining DirectoryOpus and CygnusED is a breeze on AmigaOS.
Devices. Mount TCP:, MEM:, AUDIO: and so on. Very spiritual.
On the other OS it needs to be done "virtual". Again, Amiga is being virtuos.
You might call these features, of course, and not spirit. Well, right. It's difficult. But the spritit lies somewhere there within. As spirits tend do do.;-)
I know, that the creator of Enlightment is an ex-Amiga user.
However, I see nowhere the Amiga spirit in Enlightment.
And regarding WindwLab (which I don't know, only checked the link you gave), all I see is a similar window-behavior to that of Intuition.
However, I would not call this 'spirit'.
That you own an Amiga dated ca. 1987 does not mean, that Amiga is "think computing ca. 1987".
AmigaOS got really serious areound 1990 with v2.04 or even v2.1. And it got even better with v3.x.
You're talking 1.3 I guess. You used it for gaming. I guess.
No, this is not a flame, just a guess.
> The real problem is usability. I think it would be a nightmare.
Why would you think this ?
I use AmigaOS, Linux and WinXP.
AmigaOS has the best usability of them all.
If you drag&drop a desktop-shortcut on Linux (and Windows also I remember) to your text-editor the file-path where the link is pointing to gets inserted. Not so on Amiga. Amiga would put the contents of the text-file into your editor. And, honestly, when you drag&drop the representation of a text-file into your editor, what do you expect normally ? The text of the document or 'file://~/Documents/thisdoc.txt" ?
On AmigaOS most applications (all major and many smaller) as well as the desktop are interconnectable by a single scripting-language, that runs as a demon (it's a REXX interpreter). There is no higher usability than interconnected tasks/applications. At least this is how I experienced it.
When I download an archive on Linux and want to handle it with the mouse, this is what happens:
I open the download dir, which is symbolized on the desktop. Then I take the file with the mouse and either double-click it (and wait until the arch-handler has started), select another dialog, tell it where to extract it to (and enter the path manually). After that I browse to the archive, read the README, check it out and then do whatever I want. Or I drag it to anothter palce and have to select if I want to symlink, copy or move it.
On Amiga I double-click my downloads dir on the desktop. I select the file with the mouse and drag it to the symbol of the RAM-Disk. It immediatly gets extracted to the Ram-Disk. No disk-access, no clutter. I even do not need to erase it by hand, since all I do is to select a popup: 'Clean Ram-Disk'. This is no standard, it's a little five-liner I have written.
On the desktop, in the filemanager, in the editor, in every application, I am able to define menus, mouse-actions, toolbars the way I want. I can expand application's functionality.
Yes, like emacs or gimp. But much more easily. Since I do not need to learn a zillion languages. All I need to know as a user or programmer for this is ARexx.
Amiga is the most friendly OS to the user I have ever used. And I used MacOS (not X, though), Win3.1, Win9x, WinXP, Linux, BeOS.
What did you say ? That you are clueless and thus you bitch around.
You're a girl. That's why you bitch around. And as many girls you got no clue about techniques, all you look for is the flashy colors, the anti-aliased fonts and so on.
AmigaOS is still, even now, superior to other OS in several aspects, though not in all.
This is an OS that got no real development since 1992 ! (And I still use it daily. Now *WHY* would I do that, if it would be so outdated/shit/hobbyos ?) All it got were smaller fixes and a little expansion.
With neither WindowsXP nor Linux I can mount mostly anything, that a computer has access to as a real (!) device. With "real" I mean, that we have no VFS layer/iplementation here. The device-driver for my printer and the driver I mount Memory with is the same kind.
#> mount TCP: #> copy TCP:www.slahsdot.org/ TO HOME:
All you need to do this is to install two little files. A device-driver and a configuration for it.
I can mount my sound-chip as a disk, I can mount raw-memory, I can mount dynamic ram-disks (which show up as real disk on the system) I can mount resident-proof ram-disks, I can mount the internet, http-protocol, ftp-protocol, I can mount MySQL (!) as a file-system, I can mount my mailbox as a file-system and so on.
Yes, you can "simulate" such things elsewhere, but here it gets a part of the system itself.
We've got a graphical UI and a shell with pipes and so on. Unix like, although not that powerful inimplementation.
We got a OS wide scripting language. Not like on *IX, where XChat does Python and Perl Gimp does Pytohn and Perl Emacs does ELisp Mozilla does XPFE KDE does dcop and so on
On the Amiga you can combine your IRC client with your Message-Database (EMail, News) and with a little scripting you can quickly manage your mails/news from the IRC client. Oh, why not just start the ICQ/Jabber/AIM client, let it vanish to the background and use your IRC client as interface ? Needs a little script or two. And soon they do IPC. IPC on the power-user level !!!
Linux, *BSD etc. are *very* powerful and very stable. But this all is not for users. One needs to read zillions of docs in order to get 'there'.
Not so on Amiga. It's alll much more leightweight and still you can do most if not all, that you can do with *IXish systems, regarding desktop and light-server use.
Now, to summarize it:
Why in the *** would people bleed for an OS, that is "dead", "outfashioned", "dead", "dead", "dead", you get it...?
Because it simply rocks !
Linux desktop is a cheap ripoff of Windows. Even the filemanager sucks the same way (it is not a manager, it is a browser). I am not continuing... Just yesterday I dropped an icon of a text-file from the desktop to the kedit. You know what happened ? The file-path this icon (it was a link) got inserted into the editor, not the contents of the file ! JOKE !
AmigaOS is so superior in concept that you would not understand it. At least not as long as you did not use it. Then all would explain by itself.
Why on Earth should I bother wasting hours writing a regexp that is, after all, only useful for that one site I'll never visit again?
You don't. Privoxy does that for you. The regexp you'll need are already added by default. If the overlap or leave out with your habits, all you need to do is to add a category of exception in you user-config, using the form privoxy delivers. A few clicks in radios...
Complex filters eat a shitload of CPU time on big pages as well.
Wrong. They don't. I use a VIA C3 system atm, which really is not that powerful. Web browsing with the proxy on does not use more CPU load than any other task.
I do not understand people who try to kill flies with cannons.
Well, it's simple. We are an army. Four clients hooked to the server. One dual-boot WinXP/Linux, one AmigaOS and two Linux systems. See, I do not carry my browsers in the hand. I have them installed on the clients.
On WinXP sometimes I use IE, mostly however Firebird. On Linux I use mostly Mozilla-stable and Konqueror. On AmigaOS I use IBrowse and AWeb.
Some do have the ad-block, some don't. And even if all were Mozilla, I'd still need to transfer the settings, keeping in sync.
I tend to control all centralized. Be it email, spam-control, ad-block, contacts, bookmarks etc. It's the power of utilization.
I don't understand, how people are happy with monolithic applications, that take over functionalities for themselfes, instead of using a modular approach in the good old *IX tradition, where you have a programmatic instance for mostly all, doing only that task, but this excellent and then pipe the data through the world.
Why don't you folks, who need a PCI just get an EPIA ?
NanoITX is 120mm x 120mm in size.
EPIA is 170mm x 170mm, can be cooled passively (most, some reuqire a little modding) and feature one PCI.
Why don't you get an EPIA (same manufacturer) ? They can be passiveley cooled and come with 1x PCI. Price is a little higher, of course (includes CPU).
As for SFF: It is too small, useless in most occasions.
Nano-ITX is too large for portables. In fact, all this buzz about this board leaves me cold. Several companies in the IPC business do PIII based systems with all the interfaces of a generic ATX, plus two PCMCIA, plus dual LAN, incl. Mini-PCI for years. They are even smaller as this one, but not aimed at the mass-market. Sadly.
I am currently running a low-power, passive cooled qiuet and small system on a VIA C3 "Nehemiah". The availability of three PCI on the VIA C3M266-L ATX board (no AGP) allows for:
2nd NIC, using a special NIC with embedded firewall on it (SNapgear PCI630)
4ch S-ATA RAID Controller with cache and XOR
WLAN Card
This is my "workgroup" server in my living room. Thus I built the case myself. I get a fax-printer-file-mail-web-etcetera-server with a seperate firewall and WLAN access-point plus fast and secure RAID-5 and the option to hotswap the fourth S-ATA disk (use it for backup), thanks to VIAs efforts in the low-power market. I cool it passive. It's noiseless ! I modded the PSU.
However, while I do not consider this system (NanoITX) as useless "noiseless" and "low power" won't be the features to sell this.
Where I see it being adopted is in cars or boats.
As for noiseless: I am wondering where VIA keeps its C5P hidden. That is the same CPU core as on the NanoITX but was planned for So370 and SMP. I would love to exchange my current Mobo/CPU against a similare mobo with dual C5P for this application.
I use Privoxy which is much more powerful than the Mozilla extension.
Adds HTTP headers.
Editing the settings for this option, or turning it on if it was off, is not yet supported using this web-based editor.
Block the request
Prevent the website from setting cookies on your system.
Prevent the website from reading cookies from your system.
Replace animated GIFs with their (first/last) frame.
Use the first frame last frame
Change HTTP/1.1 requests to HTTP/1.0. Only change if you know what you're doing!
Bypass some click-tracking URLs.
Filter the website through regular expression filters. You can use the radio buttons on this line to disable all filters applied by previous rules, and/or you can enable or disable the filters individually below.
Get rid of particularly annoying JavaScript abuse
Get rid of particularly annoying HTML abuse
Kill cookies that come in the HTML or JS content
Squish WebBugs (1x1 invisible GIFs used for user tracking)
Reorder attributes in tags to make the banners-by-* filters more effective
Kill banners by size
Kill banners by their links to known clicktrackers
Text replacements for subversive browsing
Remove Nimda (virus) code
Kill embedded Shockwave Flash objects
Make Quicktime movies saveable
Kill all JS event bindings (Radically destructive! Only for extra nasty sites)
Crude parental filtering (demo only)
Request is for an image (only useful in conjunction with the block and set-image-blocker actions).
Block any existing X-Forwarded-for header, and do not add a new one.
Stop old web browsers from sending the user's e-mail address with every request.
Remove completely
Fake e-mail address:
Helps prevent tracking by not sending the URL of the previous web page.
Remove completely (breaks images on some free web hosts).
Fake as the root directory of the site (fools checks for in-site links.)
Fake as this web address:
Pretend to be using a different web browser. (Breaks many web sites).
User Agent string to send:
Filter the website through a built-in filter to disable many JavaScript pop-up windows.
Specify which ports are allowed for SSL (HTTP CONNECT) access. Note that this allows arbitrary tunnelling, so opening all ports would be a security hole.
Disables compression. Compressed web pages are faster to download, but cannot be filtered with filter or kill-popups. This setting only affects the few web sites which support compression.
Adds a special wafer (standard cookie) to all your requests.
Adds user-specified cookies.
Any cookies set by the website are changed to temporary ("per-session") ones, which only last until you close your web browser. This will allow you to use sites that require cookies, but sites will not be able to track you across sessions. For this to be useful, you should disable crunch-outgoing-cookies and crunch-incoming-cookies.
Specifies how to block image
I do not understand people who use their clients' integrated spam-filter or popup/advert-blocker, while there is specialized utilities (as Privoxy) which just do that way better
Now mod me down, since I am off-topic, so no-one can see this and learn from it.
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I should have added http://magnatune.com/
While you won't get Sting or ACDC there, it still is worth the visit.
Choose between MP3, WAV and whatever for as small as USD5 to UD18, as you like it.
When I am hungry and I have no money I steel the food.
That simple.
If I died hunger, would that be more ehtic in your view ?
Besides that, your example with the cab-driver does not work. The homeless would intrude a foreign property and force (kidnap, so to say) a human. There is a big difference, not alone in the amount of violence required.
Four years ago I went to the music-store. I wanted to buy the Bomfunk MC's "Burning Sneaker" CD. I could have downloaded it from the net. I didn't, simply, because I like the band and wanted to reward them for my funky funky.
Guess what ?!
The CD did cost 10% of the (then) monthly netto income of the country I live in. Again in words: TEN FUCKING PERCENT OF MONTHLY NETTO INCOME.
And it got better:
The CD read: Not compatible with PC and MAC.
Too bad I have sold my CD player and replaced it with a HTPC...
The CD is published by SONY music!
Did you know, that SONY got big by COPYING US radios ? Heck, half if not more of the Japanese economy got built on copying and imitating other people's invention. _Then_ they started innovating. With the money, they got by copying other people's stuff. Right.
So, I had to pay for a CD, costing 10% of this countries monthly netto income, which was not usable on my AV entertainment system...
Of course, I didn't.
Guess what ?
I downloaded it!
No, what I am addressing is that the low performance of this CPU (lower than P3 Celeron Speeds) is not suited for most of the games.
If playing old games the ones to choose from are either DOS games (how would you play them on XP ?) and old Win9X games.
Referring MAME was, because this would be a typical app most people will want to run on a handheld (see ports for handheld if you don't believe).
But for that it is too slow.
So, you can't play MAME.
You can't play modern PC games.
You can't play DOS games, due to the OS.
Then, take all the Win9x games, that need different versions of DirectX. You know, that there is good games, that won't work with newer DirectX being installed ?
So, to make a sum: Whoever buys this geadget is stupid or has been fooled. But then, you make a good candidate, right ?
Tell me, Anonymous, what will this handheld be able to play, that makes it worth its money ?
Better: Tell me what this handheld will be able to play, that would not run on anther PDA with a DOS emulator or the like ?
This system won't be able to playback videos as well.
It's a cripple handheld-console.
Sorry, I meant GPS ! ;-)
There is not only the US. I live in EU. Our shops carry very nice PDAs, based on Windows PocketPC OS. They come with full GPS equipment and other stuff for about 379 Euro ! Only dislike I have with them is the missing 1.8" hda and the plastic case.
I love to have the map visible and a voice guiding me, when I visit abroad with the car.
I mentioned those games, didn't I ?
Oh my...
A 533MHz C3 is not even capabale of the better MAME games. I know what I am talking, since I am writing this on a C3 1GHz Nehemiah.
Seriously... Who needs that shit ? The VIE EDEN platform is not capalbe of playing high qulaity games. The old DOS based games you could play would be fine with DOS. A lot of people might fall on the "plays thousands of PC games" because they think it plays them DOOM3 oh the tram. It won't. When do these companies realize the real need ? A PDA below the USD400 price tag in metal casing, with classical PDA functions and a built in 1.8" HDA so you can seriously use it for MP3. Oh, and add a GPRS system.
Very interesting. And thanks for the link thereafter.
I doubt so. Fact is, most people are not aware of the classic communications programs. One of them would be "Talk", which allows you to chit-chat with anyone who has a real account (user@machine.network.domain).All you do is
This not only was a life-chat program, but some incarnations would allow to leave messages. I must admit, that I know only more modern incarnations, that came with answer-machine and what ever.
Just later came those IM systems which use a central server due to the dynamic IP connections of ordinary users.
Check out this: http://www.jensofsweden.com/media/MP-130/mp-130_3_ web.jpg
Then look at the hand of the "woman" sticking her lip.
Yes, there are.
- LinuxBIOS
- OpenBrick (?)
and more.
So what ? That's not the point. I got a VIA C3M266-L ATX board with a Nehemiah 1GHz, a 2nd NIC, WLAN and a 4ch IPC Vortex S-ATA RAID Controller with 3x 120GB in RAID-5, and I plan adding one single JBOD swap-frame for backup purposes. But what do I do if the 3 hda are full (actually 2 hda since it is RAID-5) ? P2P helps in that. I need a second RAID controller (expensive) and thus a new mobo, since I used already 3 PCI. So, I need to buy a new base-system, even new CPU since this is a VIA and does not work in all So370. Ditch that! What I want is a real nice and expandable NAS.
To me this seems like the ideal candidate for a community-built project. More and more of us utilize servers at home and sometimes it might be just better to attach external storage-subsystems than building newer and bigger computers.
When I built my HomeServer the first option I was investigating was to modularize everything. However I had to discover, that this is not a good position: The stuff on the market just did not fit my needs: To expensive. Too "smallish". Too "touch-the-market" of AOL users. So I ended up with a ATX VIA board and a C3 Nehemiah CPU with a 3ch ICP Vortex S-ATA controller, a 2nd NIC and WLAN card.
However, I wonder, why the community does not create some own inventions, custom-tailored for private users and, most importantly, not limited in possibilites, due to fear of support-problems with AOL users.
A community built NAS could consits of a small embedded computer, with onboard hardware RAID own cache (min. 4ch S-ATA) and come with a good case. Cases have been built by the community. Embedded systerms also. So, why not ? :-)
Best would be to offer the board and driver/software and let customers build their own beast. Maybe with syste-boards, that can be combined to offer more power.
Anyone ? :-D
Well, I don't want one. You are right.
I already have one ! [C3 Nehemiah 1GHz on VIA C3M266-L uATX, So370]
Well, I see what you mean. But I do not agree. What if I can get a faster CPU within 12 months ? I need to exchange the whole CPU+Mobo, along with possible incompatibility/stability issues with the hardware, that I already purchased for that mobo. No no, I do not care for those few extra bucks, but get a "real" system instead. So the above stands: :-(
I want a dual C5P So370 system on CM400 chipset in uATX FF. No more, no less. But, as I know, it won't happen.
Dont' think so mainstream. Think exotic:
a 3x PCI 0x AGP SMP ATX board would make the perfect Home-Server. It would offer possibility for a WLAN card, a 4ch S-ATA RAID controller and a 2nd NIC, maybe with embedded firewall.
While one CPU is serving the net and procmailing, the other one could compress some tarbz2 for the backup.
Well, I am aware, this is a server and not firewall/router, but why not combine it, especially since the firewall is a spearate system here. So yes, OpenBSD should really have SMP. Too bad VIA does not plan the C5P as So370 version and matching mobo, but in future such things might come. Why not ?
Yes, I'd say :) You are right in this regard.
And you are also right saying, that it is difficult to define 'spirit'. I tend to say: The body, wherein the spirit resides, defines it. Of course, this is vague.
For me Amiga spirit is not so much the looks. It is the ease of use, doing things very lightwieght and mostly: non-monolithic. I am not talking kernel but application here. Strong messaging and inter-applicatopn-programming, is Amiga-spirit IMO. Even more Amiga-spirit is the possibility for the user to do complex things easily. Something neither Linux nor Windows do offer.
Absolutely not. I am not so much into Amiga-hardware. I am into the OS and the applications.
Some examples:
You might call these features, of course, and not spirit. Well, right. It's difficult. But the spritit lies somewhere there within. As spirits tend do do. ;-)
I know, that the creator of Enlightment is an ex-Amiga user. However, I see nowhere the Amiga spirit in Enlightment. And regarding WindwLab (which I don't know, only checked the link you gave), all I see is a similar window-behavior to that of Intuition. However, I would not call this 'spirit'.
Can't find any of that spirit on Linux.
That you own an Amiga dated ca. 1987 does not mean, that Amiga is "think computing ca. 1987". AmigaOS got really serious areound 1990 with v2.04 or even v2.1. And it got even better with v3.x. You're talking 1.3 I guess. You used it for gaming. I guess. No, this is not a flame, just a guess.
> The real problem is usability. I think it would be a nightmare.
Why would you think this ?
I use AmigaOS, Linux and WinXP.
AmigaOS has the best usability of them all.
If you drag&drop a desktop-shortcut on Linux (and Windows also I remember) to your text-editor the file-path where the link is pointing to gets inserted. Not so on Amiga. Amiga would put the contents of the text-file into your editor. And, honestly, when you drag&drop the representation of a text-file into your editor, what do you expect normally ? The text of the document or 'file://~/Documents/thisdoc.txt" ?
On AmigaOS most applications (all major and many smaller) as well as the desktop are interconnectable by a single scripting-language, that runs as a demon (it's a REXX interpreter). There is no higher usability than interconnected tasks/applications. At least this is how I experienced it.
When I download an archive on Linux and want to handle it with the mouse, this is what happens:
I open the download dir, which is symbolized on the desktop.
Then I take the file with the mouse and either double-click it (and wait until the arch-handler has started), select another dialog, tell it where to extract it to (and enter the path manually). After that I browse to the archive, read the README, check it out and then do whatever I want.
Or I drag it to anothter palce and have to select if I want to symlink, copy or move it.
On Amiga I double-click my downloads dir on the desktop. I select the file with the mouse and drag it to the symbol of the RAM-Disk. It immediatly gets extracted to the Ram-Disk. No disk-access, no clutter. I even do not need to erase it by hand, since all I do is to select a popup: 'Clean Ram-Disk'. This is no standard, it's a little five-liner I have written.
On the desktop, in the filemanager, in the editor, in every application, I am able to define menus, mouse-actions, toolbars the way I want. I can expand application's functionality.
Yes, like emacs or gimp. But much more easily. Since I do not need to learn a zillion languages. All I need to know as a user or programmer for this is ARexx.
Amiga is the most friendly OS to the user I have ever used. And I used MacOS (not X, though), Win3.1, Win9x, WinXP, Linux, BeOS.
Yeah! You said it.
What did you say ? That you are clueless and thus you bitch around.
You're a girl. That's why you bitch around. And as many girls you got no clue about techniques, all you look for is the flashy colors, the anti-aliased fonts and so on.
AmigaOS is still, even now, superior to other OS in several aspects, though not in all.
This is an OS that got no real development since 1992 ! (And I still use it daily. Now *WHY* would I do that, if it would be so outdated/shit/hobbyos ?) All it got were smaller fixes and a little expansion.
With neither WindowsXP nor Linux I can mount mostly anything, that a computer has access to as a real (!) device. With "real" I mean, that we have no VFS layer/iplementation here. The device-driver for my printer and the driver I mount Memory with is the same kind.
#> mount TCP:
#> copy TCP:www.slahsdot.org/ TO HOME:
All you need to do this is to install two little files. A device-driver and a configuration for it.
I can mount my sound-chip as a disk, I can mount raw-memory, I can mount dynamic ram-disks (which show up as real disk on the system) I can mount resident-proof ram-disks, I can mount the internet, http-protocol, ftp-protocol, I can mount MySQL (!) as a file-system, I can mount my mailbox as a file-system and so on.
Yes, you can "simulate" such things elsewhere, but here it gets a part of the system itself.
We've got a graphical UI and a shell with pipes and so on. Unix like, although not that powerful inimplementation.
We got a OS wide scripting language. Not like on *IX, where
XChat does Python and Perl
Gimp does Pytohn and Perl
Emacs does ELisp
Mozilla does XPFE
KDE does dcop
and so on
On the Amiga you can combine your IRC client with your Message-Database (EMail, News) and with a little scripting you can quickly manage your mails/news from the IRC client. Oh, why not just start the ICQ/Jabber/AIM client, let it vanish to the background and use your IRC client as interface ? Needs a little script or two. And soon they do IPC. IPC on the power-user level !!!
Linux, *BSD etc. are *very* powerful and very stable.
But this all is not for users. One needs to read zillions of docs in order to get 'there'.
Not so on Amiga. It's alll much more leightweight and still you can do most if not all, that you can do with *IXish systems, regarding desktop and light-server use.
Now, to summarize it:
Why in the *** would people bleed for an OS, that is "dead", "outfashioned", "dead", "dead", "dead", you get it...?
Because it simply rocks !
Linux desktop is a cheap ripoff of Windows. Even the filemanager sucks the same way (it is not a manager, it is a browser). I am not continuing... Just yesterday I dropped an icon of a text-file from the desktop to the kedit. You know what happened ? The file-path this icon (it was a link) got inserted into the editor, not the contents of the file ! JOKE !
AmigaOS is so superior in concept that you would not understand it. At least not as long as you did not use it. Then all would explain by itself.
AmigaOS kicks ass !
You don't. Privoxy does that for you. The regexp you'll need are already added by default. If the overlap or leave out with your habits, all you need to do is to add a category of exception in you user-config, using the form privoxy delivers. A few clicks in radios...
Wrong. They don't. I use a VIA C3 system atm, which really is not that powerful. Web browsing with the proxy on does not use more CPU load than any other task.
Well, it's simple. We are an army. Four clients hooked to the server. One dual-boot WinXP/Linux, one AmigaOS and two Linux systems. See, I do not carry my browsers in the hand. I have them installed on the clients. On WinXP sometimes I use IE, mostly however Firebird. On Linux I use mostly Mozilla-stable and Konqueror. On AmigaOS I use IBrowse and AWeb.
Some do have the ad-block, some don't. And even if all were Mozilla, I'd still need to transfer the settings, keeping in sync.
I tend to control all centralized. Be it email, spam-control, ad-block, contacts, bookmarks etc. It's the power of utilization.
I don't understand, how people are happy with monolithic applications, that take over functionalities for themselfes, instead of using a modular approach in the good old *IX tradition, where you have a programmatic instance for mostly all, doing only that task, but this excellent and then pipe the data through the world.
Why don't you folks, who need a PCI just get an EPIA ? NanoITX is 120mm x 120mm in size. EPIA is 170mm x 170mm, can be cooled passively (most, some reuqire a little modding) and feature one PCI.
Why don't you get an EPIA (same manufacturer) ? They can be passiveley cooled and come with 1x PCI. Price is a little higher, of course (includes CPU).
No. You missed the point. Sorry!
The Nano-ITX is no match!
As for portable: It is too large
As for SFF: It is too small, useless in most occasions.
Nano-ITX is too large for portables. In fact, all this buzz about this board leaves me cold. Several companies in the IPC business do PIII based systems with all the interfaces of a generic ATX, plus two PCMCIA, plus dual LAN, incl. Mini-PCI for years. They are even smaller as this one, but not aimed at the mass-market. Sadly.
I am currently running a low-power, passive cooled qiuet and small system on a VIA C3 "Nehemiah". The availability of three PCI on the VIA C3M266-L ATX board (no AGP) allows for:
This is my "workgroup" server in my living room. Thus I built the case myself. I get a fax-printer-file-mail-web-etcetera-server with a seperate firewall and WLAN access-point plus fast and secure RAID-5 and the option to hotswap the fourth S-ATA disk (use it for backup), thanks to VIAs efforts in the low-power market. I cool it passive. It's noiseless ! I modded the PSU.
However, while I do not consider this system (NanoITX) as useless "noiseless" and "low power" won't be the features to sell this. Where I see it being adopted is in cars or boats.
As for noiseless: I am wondering where VIA keeps its C5P hidden. That is the same CPU core as on the NanoITX but was planned for So370 and SMP. I would love to exchange my current Mobo/CPU against a similare mobo with dual C5P for this application.
.I do not understand people who use their clients' integrated spam-filter or popup/advert-blocker, while there is specialized utilities (as Privoxy) which just do that way better
Now mod me down, since I am off-topic, so no-one can see this and learn from it.