And I can perfectly understand why these people would ditch sysvinit and init scripts as soon as possible. systemd is a good thing for a lot of reasons that you will be unable to understand, given what you write below.
My point was - I don't understand why they'd want to do it. And nobody seems to want to explain it beyond a rather lame "faster boot". If SystemD makes life easier for the distro maker for reasons unknown to me, fine. Let them make the switch. If it makes life more difficult to me, I can always switch distros, then.
There is one thing to do in this case : searching for logs that will give you a hint at your problem (the error at bootup is not enough), to have a start of an understanding of what's going on. That's the basic and you don't even have that.
Please don't jump to conclusions like that.
Fortunately you have the sense of not being vocal about systemd when you don't have the basics of system administration.
And especially like that. I didn't include the exact error reports here, as this is no systemd support forum.
No, I am no sysadmin. I am a user and have to administrate most of my computers myself. And as you write, that is the crux of the matter I guess: SystemD is so difficult to use that one needs to be a professional to manage it. Or did I misinterpret what you were writing above?;)
But I guess your have your 'minority' and 'majority's mixed. A more powerful minority - the distro makers - make this decision (and they seem terribly non-vocal, I'm still hoping someone would explain in simple terms why systemd is a good thing. No, cutting down the cold boot time from the ~20s it is with init is not a terribly good reason in my book).
I don't like systemd, but I am not that vocal about it. I don't know it closely enough to comment. My experience with systemd is as follows: -About 99% of linux crashes (subjective measurement) I have seen in the past 10 years happen on my Fedora box. The only one I have that runs systemd. Coincidence? I don't know. -The same Fedora box cannot mount/home at bootup. I have to log in as root, and mount it over command line. -Googling for the error it gives at bootup doesn't give help, as systemd doesn't have the same amount of answers to previous questions as older systems have.
The point is, I cannot blame systemd for this. I should RTFM. As soon as I find it. And have time for it. Reading bash scripts is much easier.
I'd rather have these guys bleed Samsung for a pittance, than the alternative to not having patentable standards and technology...
Sure, RembrantIP didn't contribute to the invention, but they probably paid a nice sum to the inventor (who now can go invent something else, and not flip burgers).
Now, having secured their financial interest in the a-priori standard of Bluetooth, other device manufacturers actually can make the jump and implement it, knowing some leacher doesn't come along and foil their business. The newcomer doesn't have the non-recurring costs to cover...
For the end-user, this means I'm not tied to Samsung's proprietary protocol, and my Nokia BT speakers work even with Apple's device. The alternative is that only Samsung speakers work with Samsung phones.
Sorry to rain on your two minutes of hate, but I prefer the lesser evil of patent trolls, to walled gardens. Apple fanbois need not reply to this, thanks.
? Name three other? Or at least define "high income country". I won't try to dispute what you say about the American justice system, but its rather unique...
I don't recall seeing any developer using Mac OS X over the last couple of years.
FTFY. Ok, I lie. I know two but they run linux in a virtual machine on the Mac, so I guess that doesn't count?
Last time I was maintaining a cross-platform project it felt like every single non-trivial commit broke the CI, and always on the Mac. Many times because Mac doesn't yet support POSIX 2001 fully.
Ignoring its quirks, I do agree that OSX is a great operating system, but it could use a decent desktop environment. On Linux, I can change it so it suites me, not you.
I just realized I probably got trolled. 13.4% share, and you win the desktop war?
I am not. Quite honestly, I thought "writing emails" was not even a question here.
A basic course in programming (coding, CS, call it what you will) must be on the curriculum for any modern school. Something that teaches how computers work, not only how to use them. With the ubiqousness of computers today and in the future, the point is so painfully obvious IMHO that I cannot understand why its opponents don't even bothering to explain their standpoints.
In this day and age, basic computer skills should be a mandatory field of teaching. Right? As a side-effect, it solves this issue for every other minority aswell. Assuming they don't have ergonomic mouses.
After the first paragraph, I thought I'd mod this up. This deserves to be +5, Insightful. After the second I thought +4 Insightful is sufficient. After the last paragraph I decided just to post this reply instead.
Sitting on top of a huge canister of highly combustable stuff, propelling you to orbit, isolated in a thin canister full of pressurized tanks of who knows what. And all this solid Soviet craftsmanship.
Why does the (safely stowed away) gun sound like the crazy part here?
RedHat has never been interested in selling a desktop solution (just to contradict me, I believe that recently they have a workstation version comming up)
My HP z840 is not three monts old, and fully supported by HP and/or RH. It even had a physical RHEL 6 driver CD in the package! As of a few years back the 3rd party SW vendors have slowly started to add support for Ubuntu, but as of now, only the linux fanatic could even consider switching. RHEL has been the obvious choice on the desktop for the last 10 years (if you didn't want Solaris). I even had RHEL 5 on my laptop for a while back - no problems whatsoever.
I guess the crux of the matter is with this quote from TFA:
With the US currently ranked 25th in the world in broadband speeds,
With 4Mbps as a limit for "broadband intenet access", you just can't boast about being a leader in internet accessability. And not being able to boast hurts the American psyche.
or alternatively - go do something already! Looking at all the smart(ass) comments on slashdot gives me hope that 'living in harmony and peace' is not beyond our intelligence capabilities as the human race (how hard can it be?!?). Somebody just needs to kick the cynics' collective butt. Fair try with the clock. 7/10.
According to a news article dated 29.12, the police announced they intend to interview 'Ryan' in the coming days. (http://yle.fi/uutiset/epailty_suomalaishakkeri_krpn_kuulusteluun/7710003) Sounds to me like they asked him to come to the interview. No detaining or arresting involved.
I guess it is not the Finnish language that is to blame here, but the mentality.
They DDOSed two gaming networks at a time of their peak load, seemingly for the lulz. There is a non-subtle difference between that and taking down critical networks, both in attitude and required skills.
I haven't read into these DDOSes any more deeply, but thus far I have not found anything that even suggests at them breaking into the servers (except the headlines that seem to inclucde DDOS attacks as "hacks").
Furthermore, e.g. the Daily Mail reports that
Three rival hacking groups have called a ceasefire after admitting their Christmas attack on Xbox and Playstation gamers 'took it too far'.
It is obvious the script kiddies have started to repent to some extent. Dangerous criminals usually don't.
Finally, even the arrested brit is out on bail now, so obviously he is not a dangerous criminal either.
Let me ask this the other way: what benefit would come out of arresting the kid? Do you honestly fear he would continue and escalate his criminal activities now?
Being Finnish, I am sort of familiar with the Finnish legal system. That said, I don't understand why the police would even want to arrest him. I mean, he is a script kiddie, not a dangerous criminal. They probably told his parents, who are now in the process of mending their mistakes in this juvenile's upbringing.
"These are all providing very dangerous kind of cut and paste services..You can take code, cut it, paste it, remove it, delete it," said one government official who requested anonymity.
These sentences will live forever! Can't wait for the memes. Honestly, my BS detector is beeping. This has to be a hoax, right?
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And I can perfectly understand why these people would ditch sysvinit and init scripts as soon as possible.
systemd is a good thing for a lot of reasons that you will be unable to understand, given what you write below.
My point was - I don't understand why they'd want to do it. And nobody seems to want to explain it beyond a rather lame "faster boot". If SystemD makes life easier for the distro maker for reasons unknown to me, fine. Let them make the switch.
If it makes life more difficult to me, I can always switch distros, then.
There is one thing to do in this case : searching for logs that will give you a hint at your problem (the error at bootup is not enough), to have a start of an understanding of what's going on. That's the basic and you don't even have that.
Please don't jump to conclusions like that.
Fortunately you have the sense of not being vocal about systemd when you don't have the basics of system administration.
And especially like that.
I didn't include the exact error reports here, as this is no systemd support forum.
No, I am no sysadmin. I am a user and have to administrate most of my computers myself. And as you write, that is the crux of the matter I guess: SystemD is so difficult to use that one needs to be a professional to manage it. Or did I misinterpret what you were writing above? ;)
That baffles me too.
But I guess your have your 'minority' and 'majority's mixed. A more powerful minority - the distro makers - make this decision (and they seem terribly non-vocal, I'm still hoping someone would explain in simple terms why systemd is a good thing. No, cutting down the cold boot time from the ~20s it is with init is not a terribly good reason in my book).
I don't like systemd, but I am not that vocal about it. I don't know it closely enough to comment. My experience with systemd is as follows: /home at bootup. I have to log in as root, and mount it over command line.
-About 99% of linux crashes (subjective measurement) I have seen in the past 10 years happen on my Fedora box. The only one I have that runs systemd. Coincidence? I don't know.
-The same Fedora box cannot mount
-Googling for the error it gives at bootup doesn't give help, as systemd doesn't have the same amount of answers to previous questions as older systems have.
The point is, I cannot blame systemd for this. I should RTFM. As soon as I find it. And have time for it.
Reading bash scripts is much easier.
I'm thinking that those B52:s left over from the cold war could be put to use. Carpet-bomb the nation with propaganda-filled USB sticks!
What could possibly go wrong?
I'd rather have these guys bleed Samsung for a pittance, than the alternative to not having patentable standards and technology...
Sure, RembrantIP didn't contribute to the invention, but they probably paid a nice sum to the inventor (who now can go invent something else, and not flip burgers).
Now, having secured their financial interest in the a-priori standard of Bluetooth, other device manufacturers actually can make the jump and implement it, knowing some leacher doesn't come along and foil their business. The newcomer doesn't have the non-recurring costs to cover...
For the end-user, this means I'm not tied to Samsung's proprietary protocol, and my Nokia BT speakers work even with Apple's device. The alternative is that only Samsung speakers work with Samsung phones.
Sorry to rain on your two minutes of hate, but I prefer the lesser evil of patent trolls, to walled gardens. Apple fanbois need not reply to this, thanks.
most high income countries including USA
?
Name three other? Or at least define "high income country".
I won't try to dispute what you say about the American justice system, but its rather unique...
I don't recall seeing any developer using Mac OS X over the last couple of years.
FTFY.
Ok, I lie. I know two but they run linux in a virtual machine on the Mac, so I guess that doesn't count?
Last time I was maintaining a cross-platform project it felt like every single non-trivial commit broke the CI, and always on the Mac. Many times because Mac doesn't yet support POSIX 2001 fully.
Ignoring its quirks, I do agree that OSX is a great operating system, but it could use a decent desktop environment. On Linux, I can change it so it suites me, not you.
I just realized I probably got trolled. 13.4% share, and you win the desktop war?
I am not.
Quite honestly, I thought "writing emails" was not even a question here.
A basic course in programming (coding, CS, call it what you will) must be on the curriculum for any modern school. Something that teaches how computers work, not only how to use them. With the ubiqousness of computers today and in the future, the point is so painfully obvious IMHO that I cannot understand why its opponents don't even bothering to explain their standpoints.
In this day and age, basic computer skills should be a mandatory field of teaching. Right? As a side-effect, it solves this issue for every other minority aswell.
Assuming they don't have ergonomic mouses.
Or does K12 mean university level?
And last I checked, BitTorrent was a p2p protocol...
Time marches on, I guess.
After the first paragraph, I thought I'd mod this up. This deserves to be +5, Insightful.
After the second I thought +4 Insightful is sufficient.
After the last paragraph I decided just to post this reply instead.
Sitting on top of a huge canister of highly combustable stuff, propelling you to orbit, isolated in a thin canister full of pressurized tanks of who knows what. And all this solid Soviet craftsmanship.
Why does the (safely stowed away) gun sound like the crazy part here?
Informative? Informative 4??
I was aiming fror a Troll with positive rating. Or Funny in the worst case.
Most articles?
From the rat's nest of links in the summary, it seems the Cringley article is the only one out there.
Great troll. Its just sad to see how many /.:ers bit.
RedHat has never been interested in selling a desktop solution (just to contradict me, I believe that recently they have a workstation version comming up)
My HP z840 is not three monts old, and fully supported by HP and/or RH.
It even had a physical RHEL 6 driver CD in the package!
As of a few years back the 3rd party SW vendors have slowly started to add support for Ubuntu, but as of now, only the linux fanatic could even consider switching. RHEL has been the obvious choice on the desktop for the last 10 years (if you didn't want Solaris). I even had RHEL 5 on my laptop for a while back - no problems whatsoever.
Never mind how you twist light into a Mobius strip.
How do you twist light into a regular strip in the first place?
Finally, a proper use case for the Raspberry Pi. And in its natural habitat at that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
So much stuff one has never heard about.
Please spare me from "programmers" who have never seen the inside of a computer chassi!
I guess the crux of the matter is with this quote from TFA:
With the US currently ranked 25th in the world in broadband speeds,
With 4Mbps as a limit for "broadband intenet access", you just can't boast about being a leader in internet accessability. And not being able to boast hurts the American psyche.
Because 4k TV is a Basic Human Right. Right?
or alternatively - go do something already!
Looking at all the smart(ass) comments on slashdot gives me hope that 'living in harmony and peace' is not beyond our intelligence capabilities as the human race (how hard can it be?!?). Somebody just needs to kick the cynics' collective butt.
Fair try with the clock. 7/10.
Precisely.
According to a news article dated 29.12, the police announced they intend to interview 'Ryan' in the coming days.
(http://yle.fi/uutiset/epailty_suomalaishakkeri_krpn_kuulusteluun/7710003) Sounds to me like they asked him to come to the interview. No detaining or arresting involved.
I guess it is not the Finnish language that is to blame here, but the mentality.
They DDOSed two gaming networks at a time of their peak load, seemingly for the lulz. There is a non-subtle difference between that and taking down critical networks, both in attitude and required skills.
I haven't read into these DDOSes any more deeply, but thus far I have not found anything that even suggests at them breaking into the servers (except the headlines that seem to inclucde DDOS attacks as "hacks").
Furthermore, e.g. the Daily Mail reports that
Three rival hacking groups have called a ceasefire after admitting their Christmas attack on Xbox and Playstation gamers 'took it too far'.
It is obvious the script kiddies have started to repent to some extent. Dangerous criminals usually don't.
Finally, even the arrested brit is out on bail now, so obviously he is not a dangerous criminal either.
Let me ask this the other way: what benefit would come out of arresting the kid? Do you honestly fear he would continue and escalate his criminal activities now?
Being Finnish, I am sort of familiar with the Finnish legal system.
That said, I don't understand why the police would even want to arrest him. I mean, he is a script kiddie, not a dangerous criminal.
They probably told his parents, who are now in the process of mending their mistakes in this juvenile's upbringing.
"These are all providing very dangerous kind of cut and paste services..You can take code, cut it, paste it, remove it, delete it," said one government official who requested anonymity.
These sentences will live forever! Can't wait for the memes.
Honestly, my BS detector is beeping. This has to be a hoax, right?
You wouldn't have even bothered posting, had you actually RTFA half way through:
Currently the connectome model is being transferred to a Raspberry Pi
.
What luxury! I remember we having only 8 bits in our processors, and we had to use Arduino to get the blog creds.