You gotta lead the guy, show him there's an end at the end of the tunnel, give him what to do and track the progress. Most important of all, show him that you DO care about his family and his newborn and are willing to sometimes forgive him taking off in the middle of the day for a family emergency.
Instead you've chosen to convince yourself the guy "was useless" and no doubt pointed this out to him numerous times. That's what I can being an asshole, and no one likes to work for assholes.
Believe it or not, most people have children sooner or later. And by ignoring the people who are 25-35 years old (which is what you do), you're ignoring the creme of the crop of what you can find on the market in terms of experience, passion and skill.
Think about it, first they outsource every IT job to India. Former IT personnel will get jobs at Mc'Donalds. This will make biodiesel incredibly cheap, because half of the country will be flipping hamburgers and making "freedom fries".
There you frikkin' go! The problem with high gas prices is solved in a typical smart Dubya way!
6' 3", 300lbs, bald, with a beard. Sometimes I get scared when I look into the mirror. And I don't have no stinking laptop, iPod, PDA or cell phone. The only thing the mugger will get from me is trouble.:-)
I own eight or nine Japanese products: Olympus digital camera, Canon film camera, four Canon lenses, Canon flash, Sony stereo, Sony DVD burner. Out of these products, only the DVD burner is made outside Japan. There goes your "they outsource everything too" argument.
capable of litigation, making soap and picture frames these days. I would gladly buy American IF what I need was available in "made in the US" version and was higher quality than its Chinese equivalent.
Sorry folks, I don't need "handmade soap", candles, and $50 picture frames. I did appreciate "Assembled in the US" sign when buying my new Toyota, though. It looks like Japanese companies care about US economy a lot more than US companies. They also don't outsource the manufacturing of high quality stuff to third world countries, and think that if you pay big bucks for something you have to get what you've paid for, a genuine Japanese-made quality product.
I feel that Japanese companies have chosen the right overall direction. They focus more on efficiency, not just on the abstract "cost". If you can manufacture ten times more stuff by employing one worker and having an efficient process in place - that's what a Japanese company would do.
An American company will just outsource the manufacturing to the countries which use child labor, hire two dozen workers there and not change the process (to do this you have to have a manager with brains and courage - a rarity in US corporate world).
What we're having now in the US is the direct result of hiring brain-dead hand-waving fast-talking morons to manage people and companies.
AFAIK, printing mechanisms for majority of HP printers are made by Canon. I'm sorry, but HP is not an innovation company anymore, either. They've degraded to Dell level LONG time ago. They both basically make the same shit. Dell has slightly better desktops, HP has slightly better servers, but that's about it.
>> However, if indians are really just as deserving as americans why do you care >> if they gain and we fall...
Simple, because we can prevent ourselves from falling. What I was saying is that while outsourcing has a short-term benefit it will cause an unprecedented brain drain from this country (and within the US, too, people will re-train themselves and do something else if programming doesn't pay well). I don't think the economy where everyone just sells things to someone else without any production (material or intellectual) is sustainable. Certainly not if people stop buying into the "dollar is worth something" myth. Trade deficit is a clear indication of that. One day all this scam scheme will just collapse.
Nobody is arguing that they're "no less deserving". There are a number of problems with offshoring, however: 1. Companies are somewhat ENCOURAGED to offshore their jobs by the current tax laws. This needs to be fixed. If anyone thinks that India will buy the software products that are a result of this, I suggest you think again. They're still way too poor to afford them. So the trade imbalance becomes evident. Elimination of tax breaks will make sure that some of all the money floating around will benefit this country as well. 2. I think that outsourcing highly skilled jobs is fundamentally wrong, and companies are shooting themselves in the foot by doing this. As they outsource more and more jobs, many of highly skilled Indian programmers/testers/managers may decide to seek opportunities in their homeland. BAM! You've just created a strong competitor for yourself and paid him with your own money. These folks can cut costs 25-30% more, because they don't need a middleman. Compete with that now. You thought your costs were low after you've outsourced everything but the kitchen sink, now these guys come out and start undercutting you by 30%. 3. Outsourcing would indeed be great if the prices for the products followed the reduction in cost. Say, company X outsourced their development to India for half the cost and made its products 30% cheaper. There you go, a real benefit for the consumer. So far I don't see this happening.
The article is so mind bogglingly stupid and childish - I puked all over my keyboard. The guy who accepted it to the front page deserves to be fired immediately. "I installed VMWare and everything stopped working." Guess what, moron, when you install a piece of software that installs DRIVERS on an unsupported machine shit like this CAN indeed happen. "I'm too stupid to enable firewall" - it's one FUCKING CHECKBOX for Christ's sake. Why is it so hard to do a single fucking mouse click on a single fucking checkbox?
This was in reply to the message titled "This is why we need a corporate death sentence". I don't know why it didn't appear under that message instead.
Being a monopoly IS NOT a crime. Abusing monopoly IS. Repeat this ten times. You're dealing with monopolies on a daily basis. Open your faucet - there you go, you're buying water from a monopoly. Turn on your light. There you go again. Have you tried to switch electricity and water/sewer providers lately?
Boy, you could earn MILLIONS in sales commissions in ANY large software corporation. Heavily buzzword-laden verbal garbage like this is the only language PHBs understand.
Longhorn will have several "tiers" of user experience, so it'll still work on low-end hardware and run all the apps even, but the support for Avalon/Aero will be scaled back to what the actual machine can support.
That's why these projections seem so incredibly high. And I'd say they aren't that high either. I'll be surprised as hell if 4GHz processors and faster graphic accelerators don't come out next year.
I think they patent their shit to protect themselves from scumbags like Eolas threatening them with $500M lawsuits for all kinds of ridiculous things. I've never seen Microsoft actually ENFORCE any software patents. No, VFAT thing doesn't work. They merely sell reference implementation spec, and they didn't sue anyone so far.
I think they include infrastructure and air cooling into their $250M figure. I these things can actually cost MORE than the racks themselves, especially if these racks consist of commodity hardware, and considering the size of their data center.
Nope, more than 40 hours a week is not required. It is sometimes necessary, but I'm working with Americans side by side, and it's not like they go home when entire team needs to stay late.
When I say "slaves" I mean that we aren't free to move from company to company even if we want to, not that we'll tolerate abuse. To be exact, changing jobs is possible, but Green Card process will then be restarted and it will take five MORE years.
So the grandparent is bull crap in its purest form. No hyperbole there.
>> foreign programmers are brought into the U.S. >> and paid very little compared to U.S. programmers
Nope. I'm an H1-B myself, and while we are essentially _slaves_ (because of H1-B restrictions and Green Card process taking FIVE years), we are paid exactly the same salary as our US counterparts. This is mandated by law and enforced strictly. Companies are actually NOT ALLOWED to pay LESS to H1-Bs that to US workers doing the same job, and this is very wise for both H1Bs and US workers.
Most Russian H1-Bs I know represent the creme of the crop of the Russian educational system, whom the company I work for imported into the US. In this sense, H1-B program is a lot more beneficial than outsourcing, because companies can really bring the best of the best OVER HERE, which makes they make money here, pay taxes here, and spend their money in this country, too.
It is my observation that with outsourcing (Indian outsourcing, anyway) you generally get just enough worker skill to get by. The reason for this is because there's usually a middleman, who makes 50% profit on exporting jobs from India. So to maximize the profit they need to hire the cheapest worker they can find. And with this, as with everything else, you usually get what you pay for.
Another observation that I have from the discussions with people who actually use outsourcing, is that it's not that much cheaper for jobs that require more skill. Only CS people are ready to work for peanuts and be outsourced very easily. Stuff that requires skill and interaction is not only more expensive, it's a lot more difficult to do considering the time shift.
It certainly would make a lot of sense for large corporations to drop the middleman, but for some reason not many choose to do so.
But I think women SUCK at both software development and management for the most part. They make great PMs, though. In my entire career I haven't seen one woman that was as good as a man would be in her position as a developer or manager. Women tend to think less logically and pay less attention to strategic thinking - both of these qualities are crucial for software developers and management. Men can easier focus and deliver on one thing at all costs. For managers it's also important to know how to get one's point accross, and this sometimes requires being aggressive. Aggressive women just look funny, so the message doesn't get delivered.
Abusing your monopoly is. You buy products from monopolies all the time. Try to buy a landline or cable TV from the company that doesn't have wire presence in your area, and you'll see what I mean.
There's so much bullshit in the parent post - it's just mind boggling. First off, every NT based version of Windows supports 2GB+ files. That's since Windows NT 3.51 folks! Wake up!
Network independence section is totally bogus, too. It takes LESS bandwidth to run a Windows box through RDP these days than what a simple X app would create. It's trivial to setup and run, and guess what, Windows has a TCP/IP stack, too.
There's no reason to believe that Windows is slower at number crunching. It's faster at everything else, why would it be slower at this particular task.
Libraries DO WORK under windows, LAPACK at the very least.
I mean, Linux has its strengths, but spreading such a smelly bullshit as the parent does is just insulting to my intelligence.
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You gotta lead the guy, show him there's an end at the end of the tunnel, give him what to do and track the progress. Most important of all, show him that you DO care about his family and his newborn and are willing to sometimes forgive him taking off in the middle of the day for a family emergency.
Instead you've chosen to convince yourself the guy "was useless" and no doubt pointed this out to him numerous times. That's what I can being an asshole, and no one likes to work for assholes.
Believe it or not, most people have children sooner or later. And by ignoring the people who are 25-35 years old (which is what you do), you're ignoring the creme of the crop of what you can find on the market in terms of experience, passion and skill.
Think about it, first they outsource every IT job to India. Former IT personnel will get jobs at Mc'Donalds. This will make biodiesel incredibly cheap, because half of the country will be flipping hamburgers and making "freedom fries".
There you frikkin' go! The problem with high gas prices is solved in a typical smart Dubya way!
6' 3", 300lbs, bald, with a beard. Sometimes I get scared when I look into the mirror. And I don't have no stinking laptop, iPod, PDA or cell phone. The only thing the mugger will get from me is trouble. :-)
I own eight or nine Japanese products: Olympus digital camera, Canon film camera, four Canon lenses, Canon flash, Sony stereo, Sony DVD burner. Out of these products, only the DVD burner is made outside Japan. There goes your "they outsource everything too" argument.
capable of litigation, making soap and picture frames these days. I would gladly buy American IF what I need was available in "made in the US" version and was higher quality than its Chinese equivalent.
Sorry folks, I don't need "handmade soap", candles, and $50 picture frames. I did appreciate "Assembled in the US" sign when buying my new Toyota, though. It looks like Japanese companies care about US economy a lot more than US companies. They also don't outsource the manufacturing of high quality stuff to third world countries, and think that if you pay big bucks for something you have to get what you've paid for, a genuine Japanese-made quality product.
I feel that Japanese companies have chosen the right overall direction. They focus more on efficiency, not just on the abstract "cost". If you can manufacture ten times more stuff by employing one worker and having an efficient process in place - that's what a Japanese company would do.
An American company will just outsource the manufacturing to the countries which use child labor, hire two dozen workers there and not change the process (to do this you have to have a manager with brains and courage - a rarity in US corporate world).
What we're having now in the US is the direct result of hiring brain-dead hand-waving fast-talking morons to manage people and companies.
AFAIK, printing mechanisms for majority of HP printers are made by Canon. I'm sorry, but HP is not an innovation company anymore, either. They've degraded to Dell level LONG time ago. They both basically make the same shit. Dell has slightly better desktops, HP has slightly better servers, but that's about it.
>> However, if indians are really just as deserving as americans why do you care
>> if they gain and we fall...
Simple, because we can prevent ourselves from falling. What I was saying is that while outsourcing has a short-term benefit it will cause an unprecedented brain drain from this country (and within the US, too, people will re-train themselves and do something else if programming doesn't pay well). I don't think the economy where everyone just sells things to someone else without any production (material or intellectual) is sustainable. Certainly not if people stop buying into the "dollar is worth something" myth. Trade deficit is a clear indication of that. One day all this scam scheme will just collapse.
Boy, you sure _need_ a pay cut.
Nobody is arguing that they're "no less deserving". There are a number of problems with offshoring, however:
1. Companies are somewhat ENCOURAGED to offshore their jobs by the current tax laws. This needs to be fixed. If anyone thinks that India will buy the software products that are a result of this, I suggest you think again. They're still way too poor to afford them. So the trade imbalance becomes evident. Elimination of tax breaks will make sure that some of all the money floating around will benefit this country as well.
2. I think that outsourcing highly skilled jobs is fundamentally wrong, and companies are shooting themselves in the foot by doing this. As they outsource more and more jobs, many of highly skilled Indian programmers/testers/managers may decide to seek opportunities in their homeland. BAM! You've just created a strong competitor for yourself and paid him with your own money. These folks can cut costs 25-30% more, because they don't need a middleman. Compete with that now. You thought your costs were low after you've outsourced everything but the kitchen sink, now these guys come out and start undercutting you by 30%.
3. Outsourcing would indeed be great if the prices for the products followed the reduction in cost. Say, company X outsourced their development to India for half the cost and made its products 30% cheaper. There you go, a real benefit for the consumer. So far I don't see this happening.
He couldn't have missed this:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
The article is so mind bogglingly stupid and childish - I puked all over my keyboard. The guy who accepted it to the front page deserves to be fired immediately. "I installed VMWare and everything stopped working." Guess what, moron, when you install a piece of software that installs DRIVERS on an unsupported machine shit like this CAN indeed happen. "I'm too stupid to enable firewall" - it's one FUCKING CHECKBOX for Christ's sake. Why is it so hard to do a single fucking mouse click on a single fucking checkbox?
This was in reply to the message titled "This is why we need a corporate death sentence". I don't know why it didn't appear under that message instead.
Being a monopoly IS NOT a crime. Abusing monopoly IS. Repeat this ten times. You're dealing with monopolies on a daily basis. Open your faucet - there you go, you're buying water from a monopoly. Turn on your light. There you go again. Have you tried to switch electricity and water/sewer providers lately?
This is shitty energy, who's gonna use it?
So will I ever hear "Kudos, Microsoft" on slashdot? They deserve it this time, IMO.
So, I'm sorry but your statement is a typical linux zealot brain fart.
Boy, you could earn MILLIONS in sales commissions in ANY large software corporation. Heavily buzzword-laden verbal garbage like this is the only language PHBs understand.
Longhorn will have several "tiers" of user experience, so it'll still work on low-end hardware and run all the apps even, but the support for Avalon/Aero will be scaled back to what the actual machine can support.
That's why these projections seem so incredibly high. And I'd say they aren't that high either. I'll be surprised as hell if 4GHz processors and faster graphic accelerators don't come out next year.
I think they patent their shit to protect themselves from scumbags like Eolas threatening them with $500M lawsuits for all kinds of ridiculous things. I've never seen Microsoft actually ENFORCE any software patents. No, VFAT thing doesn't work. They merely sell reference implementation spec, and they didn't sue anyone so far.
I think they include infrastructure and air cooling into their $250M figure. I these things can actually cost MORE than the racks themselves, especially if these racks consist of commodity hardware, and considering the size of their data center.
Nope, more than 40 hours a week is not required. It is sometimes necessary, but I'm working with Americans side by side, and it's not like they go home when entire team needs to stay late.
When I say "slaves" I mean that we aren't free to move from company to company even if we want to, not that we'll tolerate abuse. To be exact, changing jobs is possible, but Green Card process will then be restarted and it will take five MORE years.
So the grandparent is bull crap in its purest form. No hyperbole there.
>> foreign programmers are brought into the U.S.
>> and paid very little compared to U.S. programmers
Nope. I'm an H1-B myself, and while we are essentially _slaves_ (because of H1-B restrictions and Green Card process taking FIVE years), we are paid exactly the same salary as our US counterparts. This is mandated by law and enforced strictly. Companies are actually NOT ALLOWED to pay LESS to H1-Bs that to US workers doing the same job, and this is very wise for both H1Bs and US workers.
Most Russian H1-Bs I know represent the creme of the crop of the Russian educational system, whom the company I work for imported into the US. In this sense, H1-B program is a lot more beneficial than outsourcing, because companies can really bring the best of the best OVER HERE, which makes they make money here, pay taxes here, and spend their money in this country, too.
It is my observation that with outsourcing (Indian outsourcing, anyway) you generally get just enough worker skill to get by. The reason for this is because there's usually a middleman, who makes 50% profit on exporting jobs from India. So to maximize the profit they need to hire the cheapest worker they can find. And with this, as with everything else, you usually get what you pay for.
Another observation that I have from the discussions with people who actually use outsourcing, is that it's not that much cheaper for jobs that require more skill. Only CS people are ready to work for peanuts and be outsourced very easily. Stuff that requires skill and interaction is not only more expensive, it's a lot more difficult to do considering the time shift.
It certainly would make a lot of sense for large corporations to drop the middleman, but for some reason not many choose to do so.
But I think women SUCK at both software development and management for the most part. They make great PMs, though. In my entire career I haven't seen one woman that was as good as a man would be in her position as a developer or manager. Women tend to think less logically and pay less attention to strategic thinking - both of these qualities are crucial for software developers and management. Men can easier focus and deliver on one thing at all costs. For managers it's also important to know how to get one's point accross, and this sometimes requires being aggressive. Aggressive women just look funny, so the message doesn't get delivered.
Abusing your monopoly is. You buy products from monopolies all the time. Try to buy a landline or cable TV from the company that doesn't have wire presence in your area, and you'll see what I mean.
There's so much bullshit in the parent post - it's just mind boggling. First off, every NT based version of Windows supports 2GB+ files. That's since Windows NT 3.51 folks! Wake up!
Network independence section is totally bogus, too. It takes LESS bandwidth to run a Windows box through RDP these days than what a simple X app would create. It's trivial to setup and run, and guess what, Windows has a TCP/IP stack, too.
There's no reason to believe that Windows is slower at number crunching. It's faster at everything else, why would it be slower at this particular task.
Libraries DO WORK under windows, LAPACK at the very least.
I mean, Linux has its strengths, but spreading such a smelly bullshit as the parent does is just insulting to my intelligence.