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Newsflash: Gourmet Coffees Have Lots Of Caffeine
Evangelion writes "According to the Globe and Mail, gourmet coffees (Starbucks, Second Cup, etc) apparently have
lots more caffeine than their non-gourmet competitors. One jumbo (20-oz) contains an entire day's worth of C8H10N4O2." Remember, for best effect, drink it through the day, not all at once.
Hah! I knew it was true! Conspiracy Brother had it right all along!
Hmmm.
TH-th-th-that's a t-t-t-total load of c-c-c-crap! Stewardess! Another Venti! Now!
if they do this on purpose, so they can hook you then make you come back to more.. Caffeine withdrawls suck, and if the home-made stuff isnt as potent, people are pretty much the slave of starbucks (or have to drink 2x more home-made coffee)...
After only 4 cups of the coffee house stuff (I like my $2.00 bottomless cup) and the entire pot of no effect from foldgers in my cup at home.
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one large at 8 am.
another large at 10
another at 12
another at 2
another at 4
another at 6....
Wasn't April Fools' Day LAST month?
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Like 90% of people are aware of the sky is blue (most of the time),Microsoft still sucks,PearPC is still very impresive,Darl of SCO is a moron,etc... on the real now...who here didn't know coffe had lots of caffine in it?
That's pretty funny that this is actually considered news. Only on slashdot will you find people excited about knowing which coffee has the most caffiene. On a different note; I'll be back from starbucks in a few minutes.
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that first cup in the morning gets me started... the bigger & stronger the better... you don't want to be around me if I haven't had my first cup...
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I wonder how many people actually drink straight up coffee at their gourmet coffee shops. It's been my experience here in Seattle (home to Starbucks) that most folks are ordering lattes, caramel machiattos, mochas, etc. than a regular cup o' joe.
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Enough C8H10N4O2 in those 6 cups?
Have you spent enough yet?
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I knew this for years. Most bad coffees use Robusta beans, which have far more caffeine than Arabica beans. In addition, the darker you roast, the less caffeine left in the bean, and incidentally, the more water weight you lose, so cheaper coffee is usually light roasted, resulting in more caffeine.
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One question ? What happens when the caffeine wears off, does it just slow you down or what actually happens ?
The dose of caffeine in a cup of coffee depends on several factors, including the type of bean, the duration of brewing and the amount of grounds used in a coffee machine.
Gourmet coffee shops use about two tablespoons of grounds for every six ounces of coffee made -- about double the amount used at a donut shop or in a home machine.
And I thought they were genetically engineering new beans- no, it's just how a true esspresso machine works....I can believe this- I've got a friend with one of the original Italian machines, and an 8-oz cup of his coffee gives me the shakes (this from a guy who used to get through programming assignments at OIT by dropping a vivarin into a 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew).
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I know we make jokes on Slashdot about the usefulness of caffeine as a geek stimulant and all-round pick-me-up, but I'm pretty sure it's better to have less caffeine in your coffee as opposed to more.
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There may be a lot of caffeine in a 20oz cup, but for an equal volume gourmet coffee should have less caffeine than the cheap stuff. The reason is that it is pure arabica, while utility grade coffee contains large amounts of robusta beans. Robustas have a lot more caffeine than arabicas. That assumes, of course, that the cheap coffee is not also brewed weaker than it should be.
Buy a coffee roaster and green beans in bulk from Sweetmarias (I have no connection with them other than as a satisfied customer), and then buy a good espresso machine like the Rancilio Silvia, then enjoy the best damn espresso drinks in life for less than $.50 cents a shot. And who the fuck is worried about caffeine overdosing anyway? If you're heart doesn't palpitate, you haven't had enough!
Ermm... I guess with too much caffeine, you won't get the grammer right on the first time too!
Yet, scientists are far from unanimous on the health impacts of coffee, and caffeine in particular.
Research has shown that caffeine -- a bitter white substance found in many plants -- can cause spikes in blood pressure, and contribute to osteoporosis by depleting the bones of calcium.
But there is also evidence that coffee drinkers are less likely to develop serious health conditions, including diabetes and Parkinson's disease.
The article seemed to indicate that because they use 2 tbsp coffee per cup brewed, you end up with more caffeine than other coffee. Is that all there is to it? "GOURMET COFFEE USES MORE COFFEE AND IS THEREFORE STRONGER." Well, duh. Insert $obligatory_canadian_intelligence_insult.
I thought perhaps there was some conspiracy where they were doping coffee with extra caffeine or something.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Give me a quad compana (espresso w/ whipped cream) and a shot of white chocolate. Think of it as a concentrated Quad White Mocha, at half the price!
Ah...
Tim
We have a locally owned cafe that roasts their own coffee. Their "House Blend" (mostly South American beans) has added caffine, this is advertised as a positive thing. It sells quite well. I'm a African coffee person myself, so it's never appealed to me.
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Gourmet Coffee? Starbucks!?
What is wrong with you?
(and are you really surprised that a business that aims to have a store on every street corner in the world (according to the CEO) and doesn't mind achieving that by forcing existing stores out of business would learn something from the tobacco industry?)
"One jumbo (20-oz) contains an entire day's worth of C8H10N4O2."
Fsckin amateurs.
I love the smell of arabica in the morning.
Smells like victory.
*crushing a small car like a tin can for the pretty sound*
Someone just dared to call Starbucks a gourmet coffee. Stay in your seats, the coffee nazis will be arriving in 3...2...1...
Googled 'robusta arabica caffeine content' and this was the first on the list.
Maybe the gourmet coffee shops are actually mixing Arabica (the good beans) with lots of Robusta (the icky tasting beans.)
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That's quite odd, as gourmet coffees are typically arabica, which tends to have less caffeine than robusta. Robusta also tends to be much cheaper than arabica. Most generic, commercial, cheap coffees have a bit of robusta in the blend to give them that extra kick. My expectation would be that cheap coffees contained more caffeine.
However, with all the varieties of arabica coffee available and the various extents to which they are roasted, caffeine content can vary a fair amount from coffee to coffee. Lighter roasts have more caffeine than darker roasts. This may be the key here, as it's quite common for cheap coffee to be burned/overroasted. Coffees that receive lighter roasts are likely to be of high quality as lighter roasts may give you a better idea of the quality of the coffee, which might serve as a deterrent for poor quality coffee. Cheap coffee lightly roasted doesn't have the burnt flavor to cover up the bad taste.
my friend has worked at starbucks for years and according to her gourmet coffee has more caffeine in it than theirs do.
If you drink a larger coffee, you get more caffeine.
If you eat a larger portion of chips you get more fat.
Shouldn't this be obvious?
Still with this new revelation I see a raft of lawsuits on the horizon; "Starbucks is at fault for my caffeine addiction because they didn't TELL me that I'd get more caffeine if I drunk more coffee"
The sad part is that they'll probably win as well.
Hey! What pretty widgets?
You know, I can accept a certain status-quo hatred of Seattle-area based MegaCorps like Microsoft, Barnes & Noble, and so on... They are hated, for the most part, because they have money that the haters do not. There are other reasons to be sure, but it all amounts to the fact that they represent The Man, and hating The Man is en vogue.
Why then, do so many die-hard penguins and independant bookstore shoppers insist on supporting Starbucks? If coffee has an archetypical "The Man" figure, who has way too much money, produces shoddy goods, and destroys good quality companies with its monopoly-like tendancies, it is Starbucks. They put great coffee houses out of business, the kind that you may have met some of your best friends at. They use inferior beans, cooked at too high of a temperature, for too short an amount of time, just to increase output. That's right, you're drinking a bean that was treated worse than those poor saps on WB's Superstars.
Why God? Why of all people, do you, "The Man"-hating intellectuals, actually give them your business?
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i never checked, but i would imagine redbull has more caffine than most coffee. in fact, if you drink too much, you can experience a "caffine intoxication" theres nothing ike liquid gummy worms...
Which coffee has the highest concentration of mountain crystals? Right, now that that's out of the way, at least you can justify the prices at gourmet coffee places by saying that it's a better caffeine/dollar value!
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Coffee - a great tasting addictive drug, that's legal and trendy to boot!!! What a great busine$$ to be in. Guranteed repeat customers. If there weren't so many coffee joints already (I live in WA) that's the first business I'd start.
Starbucks will not get any of my money. No sireee!! I do not like coffee. I do not care how much caffeine it has.... I start my day with Diet Mt. Dew a day.
So, you'd not need to drink the full 100 cups to speed up to hyper-fast (making the rest of the world going in slow-mo in coparison to you)? :)
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So I went to my local Starsucks to see about some upgrades. I wanted to know the upgrade path from a small cup of joe to a double-venti-no whip-soy-mocha. I was told there was no upgrade and I would have to pay full price. What a rip off. Since that didn't work I asked 'Does an overclocked espresso machine make better coffee faster or is it just more likely to crash spewing steam and foamed dairy everywhere?' I was referred to corporate tech support, but after three attempts to logon to HOTSPOT I was locked out and had to re-enter the store to try again. Then I was told my registration cookie had been deleted and I'd need to get back inline and buy another (over-priced) raisin cookie. This is when I decided for sure that Open Source Coffee was the way to go. Imagine it, I can go to the local shop (Safeway) and buy my own coffee beans, these filter things, a 'grinder', some mugs, a drip brewer and voila. (Does anybody know how to assemble this mess!) I tried tech support, but they said I needed more punches on my frequent(sucker)-buyer card before they could help me, but recommended I check the web for sites like http://javadot.org! Oh the days before technology...
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Consider choosing to pay a little extra for your coffee to encourage sustainable agriculture, preserve rainforests and help out the long term social fabric of coffee growers and their families.
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Is our Indian coffee, keeping you awake all day. Very good.
Man, You USians are the tackiest, most tasteless people ever. You wouldn't know gourmet if it tossed your sallad.
The hands acquire shakes!
The shakes become a warning!
BY CAFFEINE ALONE I SET MY MIND IN MOTION!
Ok so 300 is the upper limit. But...
Health Canada recommends that adults limit their consumption of caffeine to 400 mg daily -- the equivalent of about four small cups of coffee.
So Canadians think it's ok to drink 33% more than is healthy? And yet, they try not to call it caffine addiction. Interesting.
I suspect that the more expensive coffees were ground and brewed differently, (finer and longer) allowing for better extraction of their caffeine content.
I work in downtown Chicago. There seems to be a Starbucks or Seattle's Best on every other street corner. No matter how many coffee shops there are, every one is packed with customers at 8:30 AM. Some of these shops are so crowded that people spill out onto the sidewalks outside. I swear they put something the coffee. Maybe my paranoia is actually right for once...
Decaff.
I've been drinking decaffeinated coffees for ~3 weeks now, both filter (supermarket own) and instant (Kenco).
I've felt generally better, had less problems sleeping and have worked better as well.
If you love coffee, give decaff a try, it sounds weedy...it isn't.
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So I buy a large, and carry it with me all through the day - in meetings, lunchtime-sports, et al?
No thanks, I'll prefer to drink my coffee all at once. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I still want my dose of caffiene at one go.
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Man...Am I the only one who has managed to work caffeine [and lately nicotine] out of his life? And honestly, I can say that I feel better and don't have any more of those weird twitches or nervous sweating that I used to. Then again, I also haven't had a job in a long time, so I do tend to be able to rest better at night...
Every so often I quit coffee, just to do it.
Rather than quit cold, and get the nasty headaches, it's a heck of a lot easier to gradually reduce -- I start with my regular level, and then the next day have a bit more than half as much, and so on for a few days, till it's just a sip.
Or, you can quit cold and get a wicked headache for a day or so...
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Somebody put this in perspective for us soda drinkers... How many mg of caffeine is there in a regular 12oz coke?
I drink about 20 Oz of green tea a day and I admit, the caffeine and other teaish goodness is liquid motivation.
It seriously can be rocket fuel and wears off smoother than coffee does.
The tea I use needs to be purchased specially at a Chinese tea store and is not prepackaged. It is White Dragon Pearls. Little rolled balls 1/4 of an inch in diameter with young tea leaves and flowers.
I'll put about 40 balls in a 20 Oz glass Campbells soup jar - or a mason jar and nuke for 3:30 to 4 mins. Then let it sit till it is golden - 10 - 15 mins. Filter the Tea into another 20 Oz glass and sip away. Save the leaves because you can generally brew another batch out it this. This tea does not get bitter and you can sip it all morning and into the afternoon.
The stuff is about 40 bucks a pound but that's about 1/2 to a whole year of tea. A bargain at any price.
And it makes me motivated AND feel good about the world. At least till it wears off. Then it's back to my unibomber style shack and dreams about getting rid of that principal Skinner.
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.... caffeine is one of the four basic food groups.
Remember, for best effect, drink it through the day, not all at once
No, for best effect, drink it all at once, and keep reordering through the day.
Yeah, right. I seem to recall Phillip Morris making a similar argument.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
If memory serves me right, 100mg.. The same as 8oz of coffee.. Dont quote me on that, thats just off the top of my head.
...most of the European people I've talked to seem to think about that the other way 'round: The Starbucks stuff is "maybe a little expensive, but still coffee", whereas the "competitors" are "colored" (or would that be "coloured"?) "water"...
So, yes, there is an agreement that Starbucks coffee has more caffeeine. The question is, rather, what your expectations towards coffee are.
Last year, I wrote a summary of several psychological papers that used caffeine in their experiments. It seems there is a "sweet spot" where the level of caffeine has the best affect on alertness. When you drink a cup of coffee, the caffeine level jumps up rapidly and is well above the optimal dose. As the body disposes of the caffeine, there is a brief (30-45 minutes) period where the level is in the optimal range. The best results were not from caffeinated beverages, but from a time-released caffeine capsule. It keeps the levels perfect for hours. I haven't been able to track down which pharmaceutical company manufactures them and where I can buy them. If anyone knows, let me know!
Drink coffee - do stupid things faster!
The ultimate goal of science is to unify all forces of nature to a single law that can be silk-screened onto a T-shirt.
UF Study Finds Specialty Coffee's Caffeine Content Capricious. Worst headline ever.
And if there is *any* evidence of this (and even if there isn't), I wonder about the possibility of mandated warnings and/or lawsuits. From the Globe and Mail article, Your morning habit holds chemical bomb:
Then again, I expect this to be used as mitigation (if not an excuse) to a charge of murder. "Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, Starbucks knowingly and intentionally addicted my client was adicted to caffeine.... When he wasn't able to secure his "fix," and his wife asked him about the yard work...."
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I can see it coming. Someone crying, "The coffee industry misled the public about coffee's addictive properties and increased the caffeine dosage to secure market share in spite of well known health risks."
And something equivalent of the Tobacco industry lawsuits...
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...drink it all at once throughout the day.
Real coffee drinkers only drink drip. Starbucks is fine, SBC is fine, fresh ground from the store is fine. Folgers is not.
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You can always go to the m'f'ing Stop And Go and get your weaker coffee, you know, nobody is twisting your arm.
I'm a recovered caffeine addict (chemical dependency) about 7 years clear. If you really want to torch yourself, don't waste your time at Starbucks or fiddling with an espresso machine. Get a French Press, one that makes a full litre. Buy the darkest, oiliest beans you can lay your hands one, grind them by hand and dump about an 1.5 inches (normal would be about 0.5 inches) into the bottom and pour in boiling hot water. Stir a couple minutes. Chug a mug then dump the rest into your jumbo travel mug. It'll keep you lit for at least 18 hours of work.
I started out drinking coffee for a slight pick up and because I loved the flavor and aroma from a french press made espresso. After two years I found I could go through a pound of seriously strong stuff in a week and went through detox on weekends, only to start again on Mondays. I knew there was a problem when I took my first vacation in 18 months and realized what was happening. I left the job and only drink a little now and then, but _never_ to get work done, ever again. When someone finds they can exploit you, you will be exploited to your own expense. Like with alcohol, drink wisely.
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Is your source on this reliable?
What?! Not Jolt Cola?
"According to the Globe and Mail, gourmet coffees [...] apparently have lots more caffeine than their non-gourmet competitor
real news. why do you think in most companies an espresso machine is producing this gourmet stuff in stead of this cheap crap?. cocaine just isn't en vouge anymore, at least in the valley. but without a real stimulation the development of the 23rd "never seen before, scalable, fastest, easiest and failproof" enterprise application can become quite boring.
oh, and the trick is: drink it all day long and all at once. use buckets. they're of much use, if not for drinking, they might come in handy an hour later. depends on your constitution.
beer as in "free beer"
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Why?
"GOURMET COFFEE USES MORE COFFEE AND IS THEREFORE STRONGER."
Whoa - dude, chill. Try some de-caf next time.
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We're not all bleeding heart liberals you know. Some of us actually have some common sense.
Heh, but anywhere else they get real pissed if you order a tall, grande or venti...
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I have been drinking star bucks coffee for years and am still not addicted.
I swear they put something the coffee.
Umm...perhaps it's caffeine? You know...that drug with the addictive properties?
It's not so much the bean, it's the fact that they brew it stupefyingly strong. I mean, I like strong coffee, but that's just nuts.
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StarBucks et al, are known to add the chaff back into the coffee after roasting... This considerably increases the caffiene content.
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Maybe we brew our coffee differently, but mine has at least as much as starbucks. I did go through withdral last january. Now, I limit myself to one quad shot latee a week ( mondays the only thing that makes it tolerable). Its much better when its a reserved treat.
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Places such as Starbucks will have more Caffiene per cup. Generally about 15%-20% more than your local gas station. Then again, I skip liquid coffee just eat some coffee beans.
That's especially critical for Decaf, which is what I usually drink - watery decaf is like "why bother?"....
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Also hate self-proclaimed "coffee connoisseurs" who somehow think that drinking coffee makes them great. Hypocrits.
Not a flamebait/troll (see my posting history), but all this "gourmet" coffee shit makes my BS radar go up.
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It also assumes that the gourmet places aren't "juicing" their coffee... I have no ideas if that's really plausible either, but I've certainly heard many a rumour about it.
Boy, you sure _need_ a pay cut.
$obligatory_canadian_intelligence_insult.
I assure you our intelligence is better then yours. Thus we don't commit to wars we will have a hard time sustaining and drop bombs on embassies or on our own allies. Our intelligence works just fine. As for the other intelelgence, we score better then you in literacy and most educational benchmarks.
As for the article, someitme it's not so intuitive. for instance, french food is loaded with fat and grease but they don't have as much heart disease and it's not just the wine it's also the portion sizes.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
remember now, we're not talking about Guinness here, we're talking about the nasty stuff that Starbucks et al serves
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You must not have ever tried NoDoz. That's my drug of choice. I quit when I started getting headaches in the middle of the night from lack of caffeine, because I had to take more to go back to bed.
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I prefer going to more independant coffee shops or just brewing my own espresso at home, but I like my coffee strong. I like the taste and I like the caffeine buzz, too. The stronger the better. If they are trying to make a stronger cup of coffee, then for the most part I'd say it's because a lot of their customers like it that way. If they didn't, there wouldn't be such a market for double and triple-shot drinks.
I'd be all for companies labeling the caffeine content for you though so people wouldn't think it was some sort of conspiracy, although mandating that seems silly.
"Yes, I'd like the 1000mg coffee. Thank you."
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"Espresso" coffee beans are just beans that have been roasted a certain amount - more than French Roast. It tends to have less caffeine than regular coffee, but I'm not sure if that's from the roasting or the brewing technique. If you're making a quadruple-shot latte, it doesn't really matter that each of the four shots has less caf than a cuppa McJoe
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They're using more coffee per cup of water, and they're using bigger cups as well - part of the boost is that you're buying a 20-oz cup, not a 12-oz or 6-oz.
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Oh man - you are soooo busted. Two spelling mistakes!
Having a serious 10 year caffeine problem, on the order of 12 to 16 shots of espresso a day, I developed an "allergy" to caffeine which in turn caused Generalized Anxiety Disorder.
After a battery of tests, I was told that my intake of caffeine was causing excess adrenaline production, hence a constant state of anxiety.
Now I take three klonopin a day just to feel normal.
I still drink coffee though, the decaf variety, but every once in awhile the idiot at the coffee shop fucks it up and gives me a caffeinated beverage. Suffice to say, it can be a day wrecker. Dizziness, fainting sensations and general physical sensations of imbalance.
No fun.
The claim that they do so to improve the flavor is likely accurate. If you're getting bitter coffee out of your pot there are two things to check: 1. It's too hot and you're burning the coffee, and 2. You're not using enough coffee grounds. Too little grounds means you end up leaching more stuff out of the grounds; eventually you run out of good coffee flavor and are left with bitter nasty stuff.
This is surprising to many people who assume "My coffee is too bitter, so it's too strong, so I'll use less grounds" which leads to more bitter, nastier coffee.
Does this lead to more caffeine in each pot? No idea. If the caffeine is quickly pulled out of the grounds, it's entirely possible.
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...back when I was working at Subway, I had one day where I literally went:
-Throw up in trash can (in view of customers, no less!)
-Wash hands
-Go back to making sandwiches
Before you go on some "boycott Subway!" rampage, I don't think that was any kind of Subway policy...just the fact that this particular boss refused to be shorthanded in a mall store in the Christmas season. I'm so glad I've moved on.
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As for the other intelelgence, we score better then you in literacy and most educational benchmarks.
At least we don't have to live in Canada.
Quick! contact your representative. We need new legislation to protect us from the evil coffee companies. Start a commission. Contact the lawyers. Better yet *tax* coffee (didn't WA attempt this?) -- a sin tax will help prevent addiction and will fund posh jobs for buddies of legislators and crappy public service announcements about the *dangers* of caffeine.
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the writer of this story needs to be dubbed "Captain Obvious"
it's a joke. laugh.
At last, I have justification for walking down to the corner Starbucks rather than drinking the coffee from the machine 20 feet from my desk.
For instance, I come from Seattle, and I loved Seattle's Best Coffee. Not burnt tasting like Starbucks. Decent coffee.
Then Starbucks bought them.
Bastards.
The logo is the same, the beans are the same, everything's the same -- except now they're owned by Starbucks, because Starbucks is a big evil corporation.
Support your local coffee house, and support small businesses (and yes, I realize SBC wasn't a small business, but it was smaller and less megalomaniacal).
Is there a legal limit for caffeine content?
The answer to that is it depends on the country. A few examples of laws related to caffeine content for food and drinks include the following:
In the United States there is a limit of 6mg of caffeine per liquid ounce in beverages. There is also a limit of 200mg in pills such as Vivrin.
From, article, a 20oz coffee has 400 mg of caffeine, or 20 mg/oz - so would it be illegal for Starbucks to sell that same coffee in the States?
Who knows, maybe the coffee FAQ is wrong...but it was on the internet so it must be true!
I would not even give that to someone I hate.
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I dunno. I lived up there for a few years. Anyone who puts up with the climate, wages, taxes, Canadian Content laws, utterly rampant political correctness, and (worst of all) the unbelievably smug, supercilious attitude toward anything non-Canadian cannot be all that intelligent.
They cut that shit with fuck-knows what, i've seen instant decaf mixed with 4 week old columbian and pushed as fresh! yeah fucking decaf! do you wanna mess with that? these 'coffee houses' can get reputations, kids go in there and they think they're getting something clean but in reality it could be some half-wit minimum wage barista playing with their lives with some shot they've pulled. Take my advice and STAY AWAY! your life is more important than risking a quick buzz from a bean-lab in peru, if you didnt grind it yourself then dont do it.
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I see the evil *$ mentioned, but what about good old Peet's Coffee? how much caffeine am I getting with my 20 oz. morning cup?
reminds me of that old joke:
A mathematician is a device for converting coffee into theorems.
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Here is a list of the amount of caffeine in drinks. You'll notice 2-ounces of esspresso has almost 2x the caffeine as a coke. Most people I know get a double shot when they drink at starbucks, so you do the math :)
Jack Valenti and Orrin Hatch will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
Holy shit, that's over half a litre!
I can drink that over a day, in a number of double shot shorts. But these elephantine beverages strike me as barbaric stupidity. Shit, the last half will be cold.
I suppose these eejits put milk in, too.
You should come to seattle. There are corners here that have 2 starbucks and a seattle's best. And considering starbucks owns seattle's best, that's really 3 starbucks on one corner.
Jack Valenti and Orrin Hatch will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
Somehow, someway Starbucks (aka Fourbucks) has tricked me into believing a SMALL is a TALL. Bastards!!!
Customer: I'd like a small black coffee
Starbucks: One tall black coffee, will that be all?
Customer: No, I want a small coffee.
Starbucks: Tall is our smallest size sir.
Customer: Just give me a *&# %&!#@ small coffee you bunch of Jacknuts.
Starbucks: That will be 1.50 drive ahead please
Smugness isn't a canadian monopoly. Canadian content laws are almost invisible. PC isn't a huge issue either, it's only an issue if you care about what other people think about you and if you do then you'd problbly be PC anyways. Climate might be but no more so then for the interior US, remember 90% of us live withing 100km of the US. Wages are low but cost of living is too. Taxes are high but we get somethign for it.
:).
Smug is also a trait not commonly associated with canadians. I happen to be pretty smug, but thats just because I'm better then you
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
What kind of dumbass law would that be? There's tons of "super-caffeinated" drinks that are yellow, orange, red, etc available in Canada. No, the law is that fruit derived drinks can't have caffiene added.
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"There are certain advantages to caffeine but, after 300 milligrams [daily intake], you start getting into health problems," Dr. Marcone said.
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Problems arise, he said, when people cut back. "You develop headaches, you are irritable, you seek caffeine to relieve those adverse effects," Dr. El Sohemy said.
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Health Canada recommends that adults limit their consumption of caffeine to 400 mg daily -- the equivalent of about four small cups of coffee. The health regulator says that because of its diuretic and stimulant properties coffee can cause insomnia, headaches, irritability and nervousness.
Okay, as a physician and a caffeine user I just have to comment. I have no idea where they came up with their 400 mg/day cutoff, but it wasn't from any published data I've seen. Public health nannies have been looking for something bad about caffeine for decades. From "It'll stunt your growth" to "it'll rot your bones" they keep looking for some reason why we shouldn't drink coffee.
The facts, unfortunately, are quite contrary. Caffeine is a drug, albeit a very benign one. Yes, you can overdose on coffee. A truly unpleasant experience, but one that is quite survivable (in large part because coffee doesn't carry very much caffeine compared to the dangerous dosing). You can overdose on No-Doz too, and that actually is more dangerous because you'll get more in before you start feeling it. Neither, however, is seen very often in actual emergency practice (other ingestants, like alcohol or Tylenol, are MUCH more dangerous in moderate overdose).
Caffeine increases alertness and learning. It's been reliably shown to improve test scores (especially for those of us who can't think without it). Interestingly, large public-health studies have correlated a high caffeine intake with decreased gallstones and with a markedly decreased incidence of type II diabetes, although I'm not fool enough to call it causality when I only have correlation.
And that's it. No increased cancer risk (they checked). No increased hypertension (they checked). No increased risk of coronary artery disease (they checked). No increased risk of psychiatric disease (well, okay, I didn't actually read that one, but most of us in THIS forum came by our psychopathology in other ways anyway).
Doctors are not the world's best source of public health information. They live lifestyles that make programmers look positively healthy (I know - I do both professionally). Still, doctors don't smoke any more (seriously - it's down to a few percent) and they don't drink to excess the way they used to. Drug use is relatively uncommon (although not unheard-of, unfortunately) and seriously frowned upon. But caffeine is ubiquitous in the hospitals and clinics, and there's a good reason. Compared to the stress of getting through the day without it, most of my colleagues share my basic view, which is that there are few Good Things in this world, but coffee is definitely one of them.
Not all at once? Drink the coffee throughout the day?
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NO! I LIKE feeling high on caffeine!!
What's the aroma of roasting coffee beans like? Probably have neighbors sniffing your front door all the time.
:) --M
Uh uh... it stinks to high heaven. A terrible smell. I roast my beans under my vented hood or outside on my porch 'cause it's so bad. But ohhh, the taste of the coffee!!! Un-freak'n believable how much better fresh roasted coffee tastes compared to high end "gormet" beans from coffee shops. The only place that came close was The Coffee Connection in Boston back over a decade ago; they would toss their beans three days after roasting. But they got bought out by Starbucks, who ruined the place. Thank God for personal coffee roasters!
Yeah, I bought the Rocky Grinder too. You *MUST* have a good quality burr grinder or else you can't control the flow of espresso as it's pouring. I originally wanted to buy a Gaggia Classic, but the Silvia was only a bit more expensive and there are good instructions on the net for how to control the boiler temp of the machine by manipulating the steamer. I hardly ever go into coffee shops any more because I can't seem to find anyone who knows how to pull a proper shot. They just give you black dreck with no creme on top. Yuck. A properly pulled shot and you can drink it straight with little to no bitterness. Hmmmmmmm.... :) --M
so when i get up i just have one cup of coffee
and i like to have another cup of coffee with my breakfast
and on the way to work i like to get a cup of coffee
like the kind of cup of coffee that you get with the donuts
but i never get the donut i just have the cup of coffee
and when i get to work i have a cup of coffee
cause i like to have coffee when I'm talking on the phone
but it usually grows cold and i need to get another cup of coffee
and its lunch, and i have an espresso
and when i get back its not morning anymore so i have
a diet cola and another diet cola
but then I'm feeling fine and I'm feeling pretty sharp
and feeling pretty wired and I'm getting things done
but right about two i get this little tiny migraine
it starts behind my eyes and it moves to the back of my neck
and it moves to the bottom of my spine
but it doesn't get there until 5 or 6 o clock
which is the end of the day so I'm fine, so I'm FINE so I'm FINE, so I'm fine,
except when i have to work late, when i have to work late
which i usually do
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Nope, nowhere near that. Red Bull might have 100mg, if it came in a 12-oz can. Most caffeinated sodas are around 40mg/12oz.
The LD50 is estimated to be about 192 mg/kg of body mass, or about 72 cups of coffee for an average adult. Of course, the average American can probably drink twice that.
I mention in general because espresso is more uniform in their bean selection (arabica), roast (dark), grind (fine) and method of extraction (less tha 20-25 seconds @ 8-10 bars of pressure). Compared to drip coffee which can be prepared in a variety of ways i.e bean (arabica or robusta), roast (light, medium, dark), grind (coarse to medium), and methods (ideal way is 4 minutes in french press but drip machines are inconsistent and some use metal filters whereas some use paper filters which absorbs the natural coffee oil/flavor, etc).
Anyway, back to my point. Espresso generally has 80 mg per serving (2 oz = doppio) than drip coffee which has 160 mg (could vary from 120-240) per 16 oz. serving.
And what is thing about Starbucks coffee being over-roasted and Cook's Illustrated say so? Roast, much like one's taste in color, music, etc, is entirely personal. You would not start wearing belts with big buckles just because Carson Kressley of Queer Eye for Straight Eye say so, do you?
Coffee Geek is a great resource for information. Here too: http://www.ynhh.org/online/nutrition/advisor/caffe ine.html
Yeah.. offtopic: A post about coffee in a coffee thread.
Deal?
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Hey, thanks for the website with viruses, popups, AND spyware...the trifecta of scum. If you're going to give a porn link, at least give a GOOD porn link.
Hey, just read through the specs on the Tea. Yeah, it looks good, but for $925 why didn't you spring a couple hundred more and buy the Pasquini Liva 90? It has a real heat exchanger so you can pour espresso and steam at the same time without shifting boiler temp modes. Not to put that unit down, it looks like a fine espresso machine. I've had my Silvia for a couple of years and your unit wasn't on the market when I bought. Wouldn't have mattered though, the price is a bit too high for my needs. --M
US "gourmet" coffee = normal coffee in the rest of the world.
US "regular" (aka "brewed") coffee = undrinkable bat's piss.
Of course it has more caffeine, that's what it's for...
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First, Biological Science twenty years ago warned of the dangers of Caffeine and now are discovering those findings were either falseified or flat out, due to their lack of "science", dead wrong.
Secondly, ever hear of Green Tea part of the day and Coffee another part of the day? I don't get headaches from coffee withdrawals.
Thirdly, how many of you drink over 1 US Gallon of water per day? I do. Believe me it sure dilutes the potency of the Caffeine. Here is a hint: If you suddenly feel warm and clammy, go pound 32 ounces of H2O.
I haven't use my French Press at all since I started using an espresso maker at home. The cleanup is easier and the coffee is ready quicker. And I can steam up my own milk, soy milk, rice milk.... and make flavored milk steamers for the kids before bed. Hmm, think I'll make a quick latté!
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As for the other intelelgence, we score better then you in literacy and most educational benchmarks.
Evidently!
I'm sure the rule of mandatory typos in communication asserting superiority must be, like, quantum mechanical or something.
Coffee is supposed to 'outgas' (blow off CO2 that's a result of the endothermic reaction of roasting) for 4 to 24 hours after roasting, and most serious coffee tasters would say that its peak of flavor is 18-72 hours after roasting. I second the reference to Sweet Maria's (http://www.sweetmarias.com) for some good information, as well as a great source of green beans and home roasting supplies.
The world is certainly becoming a stranger place where beer and coffee are now considered health drinks.
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True, smugness isn't a monopoly. But I'd have to say Canadians have plenty of it. Here's my favorite story: I was walking through downtown Waterloo, Ont. one Sunday morning. An old lady was pulled over with a map spread out on her front fender, obviously completely lost. Turned out she was driving back home to Guelph from winter in Florida and had taken the wrong exit. After I showed her how to get there, she said, "I'm so glad to be back in Canada! No American would ever stop and help me like you did. Those people are so rude!" I considered a few nasty come-backs, but ultimately just smiled and walked away.
Climate is as good as the northern tier of the US, which also sucks. Which is why it's being depopulated as people move to nicer places.
Wages are low, and the cost of living is not nearly low in proportion. Well, that was 10 years ago, maybe things have changed.
Taxes are really, really high, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out what I was getting for them. Health care was free, but it totally sucked compared to the US. Canadians who didn't want to wait 6mo for a routine procedure commonly went to the US and paid. I wasn't on welfare; maybe if I had been I'd feel differently.
There are many sources that do in fact prove that beans prepared for use in espresso drinks contain less caffeine than cheaper beans.
Also, you are correct that the dark-roast process will burn off some of the caffeine found in these beans.
And, yes, when it comes down to it, ounce by ounce, "regular" coffee has more caffeine in it than espresso roasted coffee. However, we are all missing something very important here. This is BEFORE the coffee is brewed!
When brewing an 8oz cup of coffee, you use about 1oz of ground "regular" coffee. When brewing a 1oz shot of espresso, you use about 1oz of ground "espresso" coffee.
Yes, the GROUNDS have more caffeine, but a single shot of espresso still has more caffeine in it than one 8oz cup of coffee!
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i declare this thread over
Am I the only person here who was never addicted to caffeine and does not know how does caffeine withdrawal feel like?
In the US the quality of health care is heavily dependant on the plan you have. Here it's uniformly average with services available to those who wish to pay more (Contrary to the ideals of most canadians such services are available). Emergency help tends to be very good while normal medicine is average.
As for the rudeness of the above lady, it's true stereo types of Americans tend to be unflattering and often untrue. It works both ways, and it's also not to say the stereo type aren't generally true. Canadians tend to be over proud of our achievments, and sensitive about our identity. Americans tend also to be over proud of their achievements and sensitive to critisism.
I've visited the US a lot, and generally everyone is the same as what I find in canada but with a different ethnic mix. White middle class people tend to be friendly, Asians tend to be friendly to me (as I am asian), Hispanics tend to ignore me (here and there), and black people sleep aroudn a lot (I work and hang around with jamaicans).
Theres little to no difference between someone from suburban california and someone from BC, or Someone from the midwest and someone from Alberta.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Personally I'll stick to my Dunkin' Donuts fresh ground coffee brewed in a french press (freedom press?).
Funny you should mention Dunkin' Donuts. They are the largest retailer of coffee in the world. *$ is a distant 2nd (IIRC).
Being on a low-carb diet, the coffee is about the only thing that I get at DD. But I go there for coffee because it's better than the burnt stuff at *$ -- when I go to *$, I go to meet somebody, and I don't drink their coffee (they sell enough to other folks that my lack of consumption doesn't seem to bother them a bit). As I mentioned elsewhere, I am in awe of the marketing prowess that made an overpriced small cup of burnt coffee into a status symbol.
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mrklin is right. There is less caffeine in espresso than in brewed coffee, but is more intense in flavor.
How you can actually drink Folgers is quite beyond me.
Agreed.
The folks at coffeegeeks use the term "Folgerization" to indicate the process of reduction of quality in small steps, eventually resulting in total crud.
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I love coffee. I especially love this one Latin brand I buy, but to add something relevent to the discussion:
Awhile back there was an article that explained an Italian researchers findings: That coffee could actually be good for you, perhaps even better than green tea. Some benefits are that coffee could prevent diabetes and regulate blood sugar, which is a plus considering my great grandmother had diabetes. Coffee may actually help children too, it's antioxidants and natural caffiene could potentially reduce the risk of some diseases, help them in school, and even prevent depression. Probably the most important of it's benefits is that it could prevent some types of cancer and degenerative brain diseases, two big killers in the US. that it could also
Coffee's no longer as dangerous as it used to be now, huh? I've heard everything about coffee: It makes you MORE tired, it stunts a childs growth, it makes men impotent, even that it could CAUSE some types of cancer. FUD.
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Guiness in reality is a good beer, as any dark usually is. Lighter beers tend to upset my stomach in the morning.
...dark. Some people like bacon that has been fried to a crisp, some people like to purposely burn their marshmallows over the campfire. Some people like the dark meat from the Thanksgiving turkey. Obviously it is a matter of personal taste.
If "Cook's Illustrated" used words like 'so burned' to write off every variety of the world's most successful coffee franchise then I suspect that using sources who were in the business may have compromised the objectivity of the article.
and that would be PEETS. somehow the guys that started starbucks and peets were related, but i forget exactly how. starbux stayed up in nw, peets came down to beserkely. anyways, most people who are die-hards will tell you that you can get a much better cup at peets then starbucks. at least peets doesnt sell (as much of) the frappi-carma-whipCREAMtilyoudie shit and you have to jockey for position in line with all the kids getting wired on ... SUGAR.
Do as Fry - drink 100 cups of coffee and save the day.
But hey, with the new facts we know he will be drinking non-gourmet stuff or 50 cups would be enough. Well let's face it, in the 3000's a good cup of coffee will be hard to find...
...hmm, there I go rambling again.
Our local university is hardly a hotbed of activism (being quite young and still small), so it's probably just the quality of product at work, but that's one thing everyone there gets right. There are two primary sources of coffee on campus (told you it was small): Starbucks, and Tim Hortons. I see huge lineups in the morning at one place, and piles of their cups overflowing from garbage cans in the evening - and it isn't Starbucks.
Aside: Okay, so Timmy's is a big chain too. And I'm not so fond of them now that they've forced all the local outlets to ship in frozen donuts from a central factory (the difference between that and making them on-site is definitely noticeable). But still - lesser of two evils and all that.
Even farther OT aside: Who the hell runs the Tim Hortons chain anyways? I can only imagine the thought process there.. "Okay, we're going to be facing pressure from Krispy Kreme's expansion now... how can we counter that? Hey, I know, let's make the donuts all gross and pasty!" F'ing brilliant.
Are we talking about the same chain here? Starbucks qualifies as "gourmet" coffee? Give me a break. People need to go out of the USA more often and taste real food/drinks. You can't live all your life in the ignorance of industrialization.
This person has obviously never drank coffee in the United States. American coffee, when not served too weak, usually tastes like battery acid (or, in culinary terms, "robusta," apparently.)
I had to realize the article was from a Canadian paper before I could understand why they were making such a big deal over gas station and donut shop coffee being weaker. In America, that is not only the norm, it barely rates above "hot water that somebody has dipped a dirty rag in."
People, American coffee sucks. I never knew this until I lived in Germany, where the coffee you buy in your supermarket is incredibly superior for the same price as American store-bought coffee. I had to defend American coffee to my German friends because I had no idea what they meant by our coffee being weak.
Heck, here in Japan, they sell coffee in "regular" and "American" styles, where "American" is used synonomously with "weak." I've even had the waitress at a restaurant, unprompted, apologize to me that the only coffee they have to offer is American.
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Here is Aus, Starbucks is like the McDonald's of coffee, if not even worse! I bought a coffee there, and frankly would rather drink instant. -BM
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Is Jolt still around? You are showing your age. Isn't the Red...something or other popular now? It is an herbal thingy. Yuck. Red.... what is it? Damn, I am losing my brain cells. Is it the Mt. Dew?
I tried NoDoz when I was a kid. A long, long time ago. It upsets the stomach. BTW, it helps people with migraines. It has the same ingredients (caffeine). My 20 year old hacker took it for a while. I tried to explain to him why he should not take it..... It is not a pleasant experience if you depend on it. I was joking earlier but there are times when a person needs to be serious. Nodoz sucks. It will hurt your stomach and make you nervous and the WORST>>>> make you think you are smart. Well, you are not! I know. 42 year old mom....... Mod this however you want. It should be funny but you guys (GUYS) tend to mod down---non computer geeks. Damn, elitists.....
Go back and read it again. He said expresso has 4 times the amount by volume.
Who tried to parse "C8H10N4O2" in 1337-speak?
I discovered the cold brewing technique a few years ago and I would *never* turn back.
here's the basic setup:
1.) grind up a pound or so of your favorite bean
2.) pour all of the grounds in a drainable filter-lined container for 24-48 hours (to taste, basically), then put the container in the fridge
3.)drain the resulting filtered concentrate into a bottle
4.)add an ounce or so to a cup of hot water
The idea is that none of the nasty oils are extracted from the beans because of the low temperature of the brewing environment. This makes the coffee much more smooth. You don't have to drink it hot either. Cold is good too. Also, you have a lot of flexibility in terms of strength.
One place to get a setup is www.filtron.com, (I am in no way affiliated with them.) There may be other retailers for cold brewing products, but I've never looked into it. I'm sure you could make your own setup too.
Cold brewing changed me. Now I look at people drinking traditionally brewed coffee and think to myself, "Those savages!".
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I just wonder where the connection between Starbucks and the word "gourmet" comes in. Are american standards for coffee lower than in other parts of the world, or is gourmet merely a less specific term over there?
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
Well at least it doesn't have that raw sewage taste that Tweek's has... maybe that's what people call gourmet in the US of A.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
Jolt seems to have vanished from Australia, at least, but the distribution channels are still available. It's a damn shame too, because it tastes better than all the other colas and all the shitty "energy" drinks. I should start importing the stuff...
But our country really has it in for us. I mean, Mountain Dew here is decaf.
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No shit. There is only one large chain down here which approximates gourmet, and that is Gloria Jeans. And you can still get better coffee by buying their beans and making the damn coffee yourself. It's like the machines they use automatically make it suck or something, unless you mix in white cocoa.
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The two main varieties are "Arabica" and "Robusta". Anything which doesn't claim to be 100% pure Arabica is probably a blend of the two. I don't know if there are any pure Robusta coffees, or how nasty that would be to drink. If I were to be snide, I'd suggest perhaps that "Nescafe blend 43" is pure Robusta.
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from ASU. Coffee Plantation is now only available off campus.
So yes, they do occassionally step on the "little guy." They're goal is to be everywhere.
Although that makes starbucks good for giving directions. Just go down the road, turn left at the starbucks, go past starbucks, take a right at the second starbucks and you're there.
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When I read the article this morning (over a cup of tea, ironically enough), I got as far as:
...and stopped. Bad science. Move along, there's nothing to see here.
"Caffeine levels were determined by sampling one cup from each retailer."
By what twisted, fucked up standards is Starbucks "gourmet" coffee?
That bloke is an example of the human society's triumph over darwinian evolution.
Hey, water's completely harmless isn't it, why not try drinking 10 litres of that.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
I'm not a huge fan of Starbucks, except to defend it (or them, to UK readers) against kneejerking knee-jerkers' jerking knees ;)
;) (Around Seattle, a lot more have pay-for WiFi, but that's better than nothing, when you need a connection.)
... for now. But just you wait -- we're going to be the next Starbucks! Avoid that corporate exploiter Starbucks ... oh.]
However, the perception that Starbucks has "driven out local coffee houses with inferior, burnt-tasting coffee" is at least mostly baloney. (In this, to be clear, I am agreeing with the parent poster, just strenuously enough to say more than "me too!")
Starbucks (and now other notable Evil Chains) have probably done more to increase coffee appreciation than any other single factor. When I was younger, there *was* no established coffee scene; Yes, there was a restaurant (semi-greasy spoon) called The White Coffee Pot, Jr. in my childhood small town (now part of an obscure and probably defunct chain, I think), but there was no source of sit-and-read-a-paper coffee of any quality worth coming back to for the coffee.
Starbucks coffee itself may not be worth much snobbery, but realize that the culture of coffee snobbery in the U.S. (nascent, or at best adolescent) certainly owes a lot of Starbucks, with its network (cells?) of consistently OK coffee outlets throughout the country. It's hip to be above Starbucks -- a few years ago, Starbucks was something to aspire to (strong, rich coffee served in comfy surroundings); since the chain is now successful and ubiquitous, it's hard to maintain aspirational status when you're a much-mocked franchise commodity.
So Starbucks, while it isn't exactly dying on the vine, has a) made people think about coffee and b) -- or maybe this should be a', but that makes for an ugly list -- made for a much better environment for hipper coffee bars to inhabit. There may be some coffee bars that Starbucks has driven out of business -- no doubt. But there are also a lot that Starbucks has caused to spring up, or to spruce themselves up. And like the parent poster says, some of them have free WiFi
[Subliminal message: Avoid that corporate exploiter Starbucks, that cheap mangler of souls and exploiter of little girls! Come over to Tim's Javanation, which uses exclusively fair-trade coffee beans processed by exotic but happy parrots, steam pressed in a brick oven. We're still working on the franchise bit and have only this hired clown to exploit
People born before 1980 may remember when the Gap's clothes were *cool* among a huge chunk of the population, mostly the population under 20; now they're pleasant enough, but unremarkable. Unhip, mostly, or at least ahip. ("I'm not a hipster; I'm an ahipster.") Shopping at the Gap is an essentially conventional, socially conservative act (and hey -- The Big Shirt!). In 1985, the Gap was not a place many parents would shop for themselves, only for their kids. Not so now. Extended metaphor over.
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thats right recent discoverys have shown that
the world is round and the bible is wrong.
who knew?
Meanwhile, this response in the same thread, with the same basic info, is somehow on-topic and gets a +5 Informative.. Consistency, consistency.
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That is why I stick to drinking 4L of Coca-Cola a day, and Jolt Cola during those late-night coding sessions.
Come to think of it, that is why I stopped writing things and just use a keyboard for all my notes.
I couldn't read the chicken-scratch notes that Jolt gave me.
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No, you're not. Despite having been at college (undergrad and grad) for 7 years straight now I'm still coffee free.
If God had had a computer it would have taken him 7 months to create the earth...if he even bothered to do it at all.
The article covered this, and states that US specialty coffee contains more caffeine than European, contrary to popular opinion
You can't moderate well without reading the article.
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OK, I admit I'm an incurable coffee snob, but I have to point out that, like a certain software company, Starbucks is way better at marketing than at making their product. I mean I would give it like a 6 on a scale of 1-10, better than average, certainly, but not deserving to be called gourmet except for the purpose of separating from say 7-11 coffee. I am definitely glad to see a Starbucks at an airport where there's no hope of anything better, but wow, if you have never had anything better than Starbucks I pity you. I used to live in San Francisco and up there Martha's and Tully's were great -- now that I'm in San Diego, the somewhat-starbuckish-but-surprisingly-good Peet's is the best available. And to at least pretend to relate to the original topic here, I think that truly gourmet coffees do tend to have even more caffeine, but, at the risk of sounding like a complete drug addict, do give a much "cleaner" effect, more of the altertness, less of the part later where your brain feels like a circuitboard doused in salt water.
The oil evaporates from the grounds if you leave the lid off the tin or they are not fresh.
Maybe brewing cold does extract the most volitile fraction of oils without causing them to evaporate though, but the less volitile oils that are extracted with heat are marvelous too and become volitile enough to impart a lovely aroma to a cup of hot Joe. I would feel bad about leaving the heavier oils in the grounds.
So if there are different fractions of coffee volitiles and you want them all in your cup of coffee what to do? Brew the coffee concentrate in a sealed vessel and allow to cool. The more volitile parts would then recondense in the refrigerator. I never used a pressure cooker. Are they completely sealable so nothing escapes? If you could control the heat to prevent outgassing through the safety valve and then cool, you might have something... But then you'd want to shake before using to ensure an even distribution of the aroma fraction. The best bet might be to mix grounds in a sealed container with a safety valve, heat filter and serve if you were really intent on getting all the volitile oils. A sealed percolator with a safety valve that you allow to cool to drinking temperature ( below boiling to condense as much of the oils as possible ) before opening to pour
Or just drink it fresh from the coffee pot before it has been sitting around too long.
Eat at Joe's.
try japanese gyokuro green tea. THAT's rocket fuel.
trust me. you do not want to chew this tea.
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All I'm trying to say is that your favorite coffee will taste better if you use this method to brew it. Fresh pot or not. Cold brewing is better. Drinking is believing. (I figured someone would call me out on the "nasty oils" terminology. That's fine. For whatever reason though, the coffee that results from cold brewing just tastes soo much better to me, and my cronies as well.)
I can understand that people would be skeptical. I sampled someone elses brew before I jumped on the cold-brew bandwagon. I try and share this info with anyone I know that likes coffee. I feel it is my duty as a fellow coffee drinker.
I admit I've never tried cold brewed coffee. It just seems counterintuitive.
Eat at Joe's.
I always find amusing that IT people, as part of the idotic stereotype, are assumed to be heavy coffee drinkers.
I don't drink coffee at all, never had, I dislike the flavour. And many of my friends don't as well.
So hold on there, you are in a silent but sizeable minority in the realms of geekdom.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Caffeine is not an addictive substance. People confuse the vocabulary of addiction when talking about caffeine.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If you are 2m tall you may need more water than somebody 1.50m tall, men may need more water than similarly sized women, unless you are a lactating woman in which case you need more water for obvious reasons.
Sport practitioners may require far more than what you are suggesting.
It is bloddy unhelpful to be giving blanket recommendations when in reality it all depends. People should listen to their bodies and as a rule of thumb, drink only when, horrors of horrors, one feels thirsty. When thirst comes drink mostly water and you will be perfectly fine.
Gallons of water is the preserve of anorexic models and people practicing some extenuating sport.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Nice one mate. It's fucking piss is what it is, put it back in the horse.
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