I remember a few years back, on the Apple Network Server mailing list, someone asked for if anyone had a copy of A/UX -- the argument being that it could not be purchased from apple any longer.
Incidentally, I found a copy of A/UX in.iso form on some random FTP server a few years back. It pretty much sucks -- too bad I noticed that ten years after the rest of the world.
I don't know why this in particular would stick out as something surprising. People on this site seem to forget that Gates is a serious geek - he's not some MBA who got lucky. I wouldn't be surprised if he _still_ uses vi, maybe even under Cygwin, on his own machines.
Odd that you think so. My main home machine, which I'm typing this on, is a G3/400 with 512MB of RAM and OS X 10.1.3. My work machine is a G4/733 with 640MB of RAM and the same version of the OS. The performance is pretty much identical from my point of view.
It seems to me that a G3 really needs a heap o' RAM thrown at it to run OS X well, but if you're willing to do that, the performance is fine. Not that I'm about to run it on a beige or anything, but any iMac since '99 or so ought to be okay.
- If you're running it as server, got any good links for setting up BSD firewalls? (TrinityOS [csuchico.edu] rocks for Linux firewalling, but I haven't seen anything like it for BSD:-(
I'm using it as a server, but not as my firewall. There are a lot of OpenBSD firewall guides out there, though - check the FAQ at openbsd.org for some leads.
If anyone has any suggestions as to a Linux distro I could try (please bear in mind if over about 50Mbs it has to be from a resumable ftp server) that won't take all night on a 56k modem then I'd be most grateful. (Please remember to post the URL and/ or details of the ftp server).
What you want _probably_ isn't Linux. Take a look at NetBSD for that bad boy. I've got OpenBSD running on a PPro 200 with 32 megs of RAM, and it's great.
From a PPC standpoint, don't even try on anything older than a G3. I've run Ximian GNOME under LinuxPPC on a Motorola Starmax and a 6500/225. Both times were actually _painful_. I don't know if the speed has picked up any since whatever version that was, but I certainly don't want to try again.
Blackbox and E, on the other hand, are both pretty speedy on my 7200/120.
In a related note, what the hell ever happened to the Future Crew? Man, I remember waiting with bated breath for Second Reality to download over my 2400 baud modem.
trying to scare senior management into thinking that allowing employees unrestricted use of the net will cripple a company with viruses
It will. Haven't you ever worked in IT before? Christ, what I wouldn't give to go back to the days of dumb terminals and VAXen, so I wouldn't have to deal with all of these Windows infections.
Did you mean ASR as in Apple Software Restore? [apple.com] ASR is a good thing.
Yeah, that's what I meant. In addition to using the new version of ASR (Apple Software Restore) I'm also dealing with a new version of ARS (Action Recovery System?), the client software for our help desk ticket database.
Good. This looks like the Apple Network Assistant reworked for OS X, which is one of the things we've been waiting for to transition the computer labs at work over from OS 9.
(In case anyone cares, ARS has also been released for OS X -- another key point, since we use it to image machines.)
Aesthetics are worth paying for to some people. I'm planning on moving the lion's share of my computer gear either into the attic or the basement when I buy a house, and just keeping one of those new iMacs around (or maybe a laptop) to tap into it via a wireless network.
The main advantage? I don't have to look at piles of beige metal in the spare bedroom, which is the situation I'm in now.
And it's built on Linux- a USB keyboard is all you need to get to a command line!
Well, hey, I had reservations about dropping twice the current price of my iMac on something with less expandability, less functionality, less drive space, and no real network connection - but if it runs Linux, well, that changes everything.
*cough*
Yes, I'm being sarcastic. If it's not something designed as a general purpose computer, I don't even _want_ to know what OS is on it.
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I remember a few years back, on the Apple Network Server mailing list, someone asked for if anyone had a copy of A/UX -- the argument being that it could not be purchased from apple any longer.
.iso form on some random FTP server a few years back. It pretty much sucks -- too bad I noticed that ten years after the rest of the world.
Incidentally, I found a copy of A/UX in
--saint
I guess the best product does not always perform the best in the marketplace.
Well, shit, you just blew all my fourth grade course material on economics right out the window.
Of course it doesn't. Ever heard of BeOS, or OS/2? How about car companies like DeLorean or Tucker, or hell, even AMC?
--saint
Since when does running "vi" make you a geek? Vi is just yet another antiquated shitty text editor that should die off.
(-5, Troll)
--saint
Bill Gates running vi
I don't know why this in particular would stick out as something surprising. People on this site seem to forget that Gates is a serious geek - he's not some MBA who got lucky. I wouldn't be surprised if he _still_ uses vi, maybe even under Cygwin, on his own machines.
--saint
Mac OS X on a G3 is _painful_ ;)
Odd that you think so. My main home machine, which I'm typing this on, is a G3/400 with 512MB of RAM and OS X 10.1.3. My work machine is a G4/733 with 640MB of RAM and the same version of the OS. The performance is pretty much identical from my point of view.
It seems to me that a G3 really needs a heap o' RAM thrown at it to run OS X well, but if you're willing to do that, the performance is fine. Not that I'm about to run it on a beige or anything, but any iMac since '99 or so ought to be okay.
--saint
Couple of questions, if you don't mind:
:-(
Fire away.
- Which version of OpenBSD are you running?
The newest one, 3.0, installed via network from the boot floppy.
- Are you running X on your PPro, or is it "just" a server?
I was running X on it, but then I got a spare Mac to install YDL on. The PPro doesn't even have a monitor on it any more. And hasn't for a while.
10:42PM up 36 days, 4:26, 1 user, load averages: 0.34, 0.24, 0.14
- If you're running it as server, got any good links for setting up BSD firewalls? (TrinityOS [csuchico.edu] rocks for Linux firewalling, but I haven't seen anything like it for BSD
I'm using it as a server, but not as my firewall. There are a lot of OpenBSD firewall guides out there, though - check the FAQ at openbsd.org for some leads.
--saint
If anyone has any suggestions as to a Linux distro I could try (please bear in mind if over about 50Mbs it has to be from a resumable ftp server) that won't take all night on a 56k modem then I'd be most grateful. (Please remember to post the URL and/ or details of the ftp server).
What you want _probably_ isn't Linux. Take a look at NetBSD for that bad boy. I've got OpenBSD running on a PPro 200 with 32 megs of RAM, and it's great.
--saint
GNOME for low-end boxes.
From a PPC standpoint, don't even try on anything older than a G3. I've run Ximian GNOME under LinuxPPC on a Motorola Starmax and a 6500/225. Both times were actually _painful_. I don't know if the speed has picked up any since whatever version that was, but I certainly don't want to try again.
Blackbox and E, on the other hand, are both pretty speedy on my 7200/120.
--saint
Well, this will certainly fix those people who think that Apple equipment is for dilletantes and rich yuppies.
Er, maybe not.
--saint
(The world's only poor white trash Apple user.)
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with this particular company?
Yeah, ask 'em for a Ditto drive instead. That way, you'll at least _know_ it's an unreliable piece of shit.
--saint
you should like something or use something because *it works for you* not because it is "alternative" or "underground" or anything else.
"Why is 'alternative' the largest section in every record store?"
Wish I could remember where I heard that.
--saint
In a related note, what the hell ever happened to the Future Crew? Man, I remember waiting with bated breath for Second Reality to download over my 2400 baud modem.
--saint
trying to scare senior management into thinking that allowing employees unrestricted use of the net will cripple a company with viruses
It will. Haven't you ever worked in IT before? Christ, what I wouldn't give to go back to the days of dumb terminals and VAXen, so I wouldn't have to deal with all of these Windows infections.
--saint
My, I certainly hope they remembered their kickball when storming off to go home.
--saint
I recall them about both the BigFoot and the Fireball
Hmm. My home server has a Bigfoot and two Fireballs in it, and the drive in my main day-to-day machine is a 75GXP.
No problems yet, but it sounds like I'm not in for the rosiest future.
--saint
Can you run Windows (anything) on your PowerPC?
There was a port of NT 4.0 to the PPC. The six people who actually bought it were disappointed when the line was killed.
How about your ARM?
Er, don't a lot of those fancy-pants personal organizers that run WinCE use ARM processors?
Not that I use Windows (I'm a Mac geek), but those were some pretty piss-poor examples.
--saint
Why is it that the very thought of mining Slashdot makes me think of the goatse.cx guy?
Hell, I've really got to stop reading at -1 so much.
--saint
Did you mean ASR as in Apple Software Restore? [apple.com] ASR is a good thing.
Yeah, that's what I meant. In addition to using the new version of ASR (Apple Software Restore) I'm also dealing with a new version of ARS (Action Recovery System?), the client software for our help desk ticket database.
Acronym soup. Yummy.
--saint
Good. This looks like the Apple Network Assistant reworked for OS X, which is one of the things we've been waiting for to transition the computer labs at work over from OS 9.
(In case anyone cares, ARS has also been released for OS X -- another key point, since we use it to image machines.)
--saint
Wow, I can totally cripple someone far more learned than me _and_ make seven dollars an hour! Woo-hoo!
Seriously, though, next time, take another route home. Zeppelin or something.
--saint
I certainly hope it has the same well-crafted and intuitive interface I came to know and love last time I worked for a company that used Notes.
*cough*
--saint
We have seperation of church and state in this country.
Then why were our senators and congresscritters singing "God Bless America" on 9/12 or so?
Why can't I swear on a copy of "Origin of Species" when I'm in court?
And how come I can't get any currency that says "In Entropy We Trust"?
--saint
why pay that much for something so small?
Aesthetics are worth paying for to some people. I'm planning on moving the lion's share of my computer gear either into the attic or the basement when I buy a house, and just keeping one of those new iMacs around (or maybe a laptop) to tap into it via a wireless network.
The main advantage? I don't have to look at piles of beige metal in the spare bedroom, which is the situation I'm in now.
--saint
And it's built on Linux- a USB keyboard is all you need to get to a command line!
Well, hey, I had reservations about dropping twice the current price of my iMac on something with less expandability, less functionality, less drive space, and no real network connection - but if it runs Linux, well, that changes everything.
*cough*
Yes, I'm being sarcastic. If it's not something designed as a general purpose computer, I don't even _want_ to know what OS is on it.
--saint
I've got a USB HP external burner which works great
Hang on to it. You got the only one.
The poor RMA guys at HP know most of my coworkers by voice since we bought some of those.
--saint