Granted, this mention was fairly benign - but am I the only one who finds the Debian elitism around here just a little bit annoying?
I'm with you... I actually tried out Debian on an old machine because of the huge support it seems to have here. I don't know, I guess if you insist on running Linux, apt is a nice tool. But I still prefer the pkgsrc/ports collection for ease of use and graspability for newbies like myself.
But hey, what do I know.
(Incidentally, a good friend of mine who has been running Linux since before the 1.0 kernel is using Mandrake now. I wonder if the "gotta be l33t" posturing goes away after a few years?)
I actually own one of the iMacs that are a target of the class action lawsuit. Here's the synopsis:
Someone was too dumb/lazy to download the patch to the DVD player application and sued Apple.
Everyone with one of these models of Macintosh gets a fifteen dollar discount on a mouse or keyboard, or some equally ludicrous discount on painfully overpriced software.
Thanks, Apple, but I think rather than paying the "discounted" 44 dollars for one of your piece of shit no-button lucite mice, I'll just stick with my fifteen dollar Logitech three-button.
It's not a matter of "must." Internet Explorer flies on my iMac. So did Konqueror when I was running Yellow Dog Linux. And so do OmniWeb and IE when I reboot into OS X.
It's not modern web browsers that run slowly. It's Mozilla, and in my experience, just Mozilla.
Many thanks to the netbsd developers for such a wonderful product -- as I've said before, I always point friends who want to "learn about Unix" to NetBSD, or occasionally OpenBSD. They've all come back to thank me.
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a super low-end solution for me. I've been doing a lot of work setting up home networks and the like for people, and I need a 486-class laptop that is well supported by NetBSD to use as a temporary DHCP server and the like. I really like the Thinkpad 755C, but I haven't been able to find any commentary on its NetBSD compatibility beyond v1.3.
(I know, if it used to work, it still should. But I had a Quadra 700 that became magically unsupported between 1.4.2 and 1.4.3. Call me cautious if you like)
Any suggestions as far as models go? Bonus points if you know a matching PCMCIA ethernet card that'll work with the GENERIC kernel.
I'd like to be angry at the people dancing in the streets over this tragedy, but I can easily see Americans doing the same thing if something like this had happened to Afghanistan or Iraq.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of this. The footage I saw looked like downtown Rochester during the Gulf War. Change the flags and its virtually identical.
Why does anti-Black racism get moderated UP around here?!
That wasn't anti-Black racism. Rather, it was a bit of lighthearted japery pointing out Al Sharpton's laughable habit of making up his own words in what seems a wretched and ultimately unsuccessful bid to appear educated.
The fact that I think he's a buffoon is race-independent, thanks.
Their interviews are (almost) always insightful (mod +1) and intelligent, and their subjects ecclectic.
Hear hear. Check out the interview with Harlan Ellison if you haven't already... one of the best in the archives, in my humble opinion. Got me to drive across three states to hear him speak at a science fiction convention.
fairly sure NetBSD supports the sound and floppy controller...haven't looked much into AppleTalk yet.
As far as I recall from running NetBSD on a Quadra 700, the sound was limited to occasional beeping but Netatalk installed and ran like a champ; ran it with Samba to share files to all my and my old roommate's machines.
I'm assuming, due to the NT postion of the submission, that you're looking for a decent distro for the x86 platform.
However, if you have an extra PPC machine kicking around somewhere, i would suggest getting a copy of Yellow Dog Linux 2.0. I just can't say enough great things about this one; smooth install, good package tools, works great by default. Check it out if you get a chance.
Anyone else have suggestions for good Sparc or Alpha distros?
i'm originally from rochester, ny, and there's a huge hamfest there every summer (usually around the end of may). used to be mostly ham equipment, but there seem to be more and more computer tables every year.
and sometimes there's some good finds. a friend of mine bought a complete amiga 2000 system this year, a great find in a field of mostly old apple and intel shit. a couple years back, we bought a microvax, and i've seen everything from old apollo workstations to next cubes to cable descramblers to pay phones and every other damned thing under the sun for sale there.
not that this is much help for the submitter (~8 hours away) but anyone thinking of going to RIT next year might be interested.:)
i'm probably a bit odd for a slashdot reader in that i actually _like_ support jobs.... not so much the call center variety, but there's nothing that i like more than working for the IT department in a college or university. the pay isn't always the best, but the low pressure environment and the variety of day to day work makes up for it for me.
so i'd have to say that the two biggies for me are a few largish colleges in the area, and a fairly low cost of living. right now i'm in buffalo and i love it. cheap rent, great restaurants, a wonderful art and music scene; everything i could ask for. i've spent time in all the continental states (except for oklahoma and delaware) and in all their major cities, and this is my favorite.
(yeah, i know, i'm the only one in the city who isn't actively trying to escape.:P )
--saint
creaking and croaking. (yeah, yeah, its offtopic)
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Which we tried, but we heard the front cover creak as if it were ready to crack. If you look up "good thing" in the dictionary, you won't find that listed as an example.
you know, now that you mention it, i suppose that could be considered a bit ominous. probably even more so when you actually paid good money for that system and aren't just pulling it out of storage and pulling out parts before sending it to the knacker's.
I was thinking of getting a Mac, but it is hard to find a decent mother board, CPU that I can buy off the self... Any suggestions?
well, while i have a feeling that you're being facetious and i'm being trolled, here's what i did for a friend of mine that wanted a mac.
i picked up a motorola starmax 4000/200 barebones somewhere, just the case / motherboard / cpu. i think i got mine on ebay, but i've seen them on surplus hardware sites as well.
from there, it was just a matter of adding standard components. a scsi hard drive and cd rom, a 32 meg DIMM, a ps/2 mouse, a USB card, an ethernet card, etc. total cost was about two hundred dollars for the whole package.
it's not as easy as putting together a pc, which is really a shame - my affection for apple has a lot more to do with their hardware than anything else. but it can be done.
I had a 6500, a large array of Craftsmen tools, a mind trained to perform n-dimensional geometry without aid of computers or pencil-and-paper (thanks to an astronomy degree), and a father who was a toolmaker-turned-design-engineer, yet we couldn't figure out how to get to the hard drive of the 6500.
push the buttons on the bottom and pull off the front bezel. i just stripped a pile of them for the recycler's. no tools necessary.
how many dimensions, again?
--saint
you're a little behind the times.
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(hardware that, except for VirtualPC and Linux, has NO alternative operating systems), because of Windows licensing costs? "Nazism?" I'm not Windows fan, but what kind of logic is that? You don't even have third party choice of hardware for the Mac, let alone software diversity.
current apple hardware will run linux, netbsd, openbsd, darwin, os x, and os 9. older apple hardware will also run things like beos, a/ux, developer releases of rhapsody and copland, etc. so you're wrong on that point.
as for third party hardware, its true that apple produces all the full systems. but i've got a ton of third party hardware in my machines, ranging from IBM drives to no-name PCI cards for USB and ethernet.
try looking at some reasonably recent statistics before you make sweeping claims, eh?
(incidentally, this whole "story" is flamebait shite, in my ever humble opinion.)
saintlupus, i know this is offtopic, but can you tell me whether an iMac is able to be single-booted with linux? i mean, can i set up my iMac with ONLY linux, and no Mac OS at all? for the life of me i can't find the answer on the Yellow Dog or LinuxPPC websites.
sure you can. boot from the mac os cd and run drive setup. reformat the drive as type "unallocated." then reboot, hold down the mouse button to eject the cd, put in the yellow dog cd, and run the installer. just remember that if you don't have mac os on there at all you're not going to get the fun of mac-on-linux.
(personally, i've got my machine booting to os 9.1, os x, and ydl. no problems yet.)
Linux is still too hard for the typical Joe while XP will do everything for them
Maybe a year ago this was true, but I really don't think it is any more. I just installed Yellow Dog Linux on my iMac a few weeks ago - I've never seen such an idiot-proofed install. Everything works flawlessly, KDE is up and running fine, the network settings from install are carried over; in short, I couldn't find anything wrong.
Certainly things have come a long way since I watched friends struggling with Yggdrasil and Slackware back in the day. Mandrake is actually to the point that I'm recommending it to my, er, less computationally inclined relatives.
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Granted, this mention was fairly benign - but am I the only one who finds the Debian elitism around here just a little bit annoying?
I'm with you... I actually tried out Debian on an old machine because of the huge support it seems to have here. I don't know, I guess if you insist on running Linux, apt is a nice tool. But I still prefer the pkgsrc/ports collection for ease of use and graspability for newbies like myself.
But hey, what do I know.
(Incidentally, a good friend of mine who has been running Linux since before the 1.0 kernel is using Mandrake now. I wonder if the "gotta be l33t" posturing goes away after a few years?)
--saint
Sort of, but I still agree. *BUT*, which would you choose if you wanted something that simply "ships" secure?
BSD.
(Yeah, it's a troll. But try any version of BSD for a while and you'll realize how sloppy Linux really is.)
--saint
I actually own one of the iMacs that are a target of the class action lawsuit. Here's the synopsis:
Someone was too dumb/lazy to download the patch to the DVD player application and sued Apple.
Everyone with one of these models of Macintosh gets a fifteen dollar discount on a mouse or keyboard, or some equally ludicrous discount on painfully overpriced software.
Thanks, Apple, but I think rather than paying the "discounted" 44 dollars for one of your piece of shit no-button lucite mice, I'll just stick with my fifteen dollar Logitech three-button.
What a joke.
--saint
why must a modern web browser run so slow??
It's not a matter of "must." Internet Explorer flies on my iMac. So did Konqueror when I was running Yellow Dog Linux. And so do OmniWeb and IE when I reboot into OS X.
It's not modern web browsers that run slowly. It's Mozilla, and in my experience, just Mozilla.
--saint
Well, damn, there goes my uptime.
Many thanks to the netbsd developers for such a wonderful product -- as I've said before, I always point friends who want to "learn about Unix" to NetBSD, or occasionally OpenBSD. They've all come back to thank me.
Keep up the good work.
--saint
no it wont.. beos will only run on pre g3 type ppc chips..
Actually, it won't run on Powerbooks at all. Desktop Macs and clones only.
--saint
As long as we're on the subject of laptops...
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a super low-end solution for me. I've been doing a lot of work setting up home networks and the like for people, and I need a 486-class laptop that is well supported by NetBSD to use as a temporary DHCP server and the like. I really like the Thinkpad 755C, but I haven't been able to find any commentary on its NetBSD compatibility beyond v1.3.
(I know, if it used to work, it still should. But I had a Quadra 700 that became magically unsupported between 1.4.2 and 1.4.3. Call me cautious if you like)
Any suggestions as far as models go? Bonus points if you know a matching PCMCIA ethernet card that'll work with the GENERIC kernel.
--saint
I'd like to be angry at the people dancing in the streets over this tragedy, but I can easily see Americans doing the same thing if something like this had happened to Afghanistan or Iraq.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of this. The footage I saw looked like downtown Rochester during the Gulf War. Change the flags and its virtually identical.
--saint
The large portion of Americans would die on their feet before living on their knees.
Only if they had trouble seeing the television from their knees, I'm afraid.
--saint
Why does anti-Black racism get moderated UP around here?!
That wasn't anti-Black racism. Rather, it was a bit of lighthearted japery pointing out Al Sharpton's laughable habit of making up his own words in what seems a wretched and ultimately unsuccessful bid to appear educated.
The fact that I think he's a buffoon is race-independent, thanks.
--saint
"electional"? Is that from the George W. Bush dictionary?
Sounds more like Al Sharpton to me. "And things done got full of electional corrupticizing, ya-yus."
--saint
True story, It was unbelivealbe how many people just used the cookie cutter wizard to present themselves for a job.
Hey, go with success. Obviously the guy who wrote the wizard has a job, right?
--saint
Their interviews are (almost) always insightful (mod +1) and intelligent, and their subjects ecclectic.
Hear hear. Check out the interview with Harlan Ellison if you haven't already... one of the best in the archives, in my humble opinion. Got me to drive across three states to hear him speak at a science fiction convention.
--saintfairly sure NetBSD supports the sound and floppy controller...haven't looked much into AppleTalk yet.
As far as I recall from running NetBSD on a Quadra 700, the sound was limited to occasional beeping but Netatalk installed and ran like a champ; ran it with Samba to share files to all my and my old roommate's machines.
--saintI'm assuming, due to the NT postion of the submission, that you're looking for a decent distro for the x86 platform.
However, if you have an extra PPC machine kicking around somewhere, i would suggest getting a copy of Yellow Dog Linux 2.0. I just can't say enough great things about this one; smooth install, good package tools, works great by default. Check it out if you get a chance.
Anyone else have suggestions for good Sparc or Alpha distros?
--saintOh dear God is this the world's worst pain in the ass. I am not going to burn CDs just to boot.
then boot from the os cd that came with your machine, unfuck the hard drive, and reboot.
--sainti'm originally from rochester, ny, and there's a huge hamfest there every summer (usually around the end of may). used to be mostly ham equipment, but there seem to be more and more computer tables every year.
and sometimes there's some good finds. a friend of mine bought a complete amiga 2000 system this year, a great find in a field of mostly old apple and intel shit. a couple years back, we bought a microvax, and i've seen everything from old apollo workstations to next cubes to cable descramblers to pay phones and every other damned thing under the sun for sale there.
not that this is much help for the submitter (~8 hours away) but anyone thinking of going to RIT next year might be interested. :)
--saintOpenBSD. AKA The Jimmy Hat OS.
i want the t-shirt. preferably with the blowfish trying to swim out the end of a trojan.
tee hee.
--sainti'm probably a bit odd for a slashdot reader in that i actually _like_ support jobs.... not so much the call center variety, but there's nothing that i like more than working for the IT department in a college or university. the pay isn't always the best, but the low pressure environment and the variety of day to day work makes up for it for me.
so i'd have to say that the two biggies for me are a few largish colleges in the area, and a fairly low cost of living. right now i'm in buffalo and i love it. cheap rent, great restaurants, a wonderful art and music scene; everything i could ask for. i've spent time in all the continental states (except for oklahoma and delaware) and in all their major cities, and this is my favorite.
(yeah, i know, i'm the only one in the city who isn't actively trying to escape. :P )
--saintWhich we tried, but we heard the front cover creak as if it were ready to crack. If you look up "good thing" in the dictionary, you won't find that listed as an example.
you know, now that you mention it, i suppose that could be considered a bit ominous. probably even more so when you actually paid good money for that system and aren't just pulling it out of storage and pulling out parts before sending it to the knacker's.
--saintI was thinking of getting a Mac, but it is hard to find a decent mother board, CPU that I can buy off the self... Any suggestions?
well, while i have a feeling that you're being facetious and i'm being trolled, here's what i did for a friend of mine that wanted a mac.
i picked up a motorola starmax 4000/200 barebones somewhere, just the case / motherboard / cpu. i think i got mine on ebay, but i've seen them on surplus hardware sites as well.
from there, it was just a matter of adding standard components. a scsi hard drive and cd rom, a 32 meg DIMM, a ps/2 mouse, a USB card, an ethernet card, etc. total cost was about two hundred dollars for the whole package.
it's not as easy as putting together a pc, which is really a shame - my affection for apple has a lot more to do with their hardware than anything else. but it can be done.
--saintI had a 6500, a large array of Craftsmen tools, a mind trained to perform n-dimensional geometry without aid of computers or pencil-and-paper (thanks to an astronomy degree), and a father who was a toolmaker-turned-design-engineer, yet we couldn't figure out how to get to the hard drive of the 6500.
push the buttons on the bottom and pull off the front bezel. i just stripped a pile of them for the recycler's. no tools necessary.
how many dimensions, again?
--saint(hardware that, except for VirtualPC and Linux, has NO alternative operating systems), because of Windows licensing costs? "Nazism?" I'm not Windows fan, but what kind of logic is that? You don't even have third party choice of hardware for the Mac, let alone software diversity.
current apple hardware will run linux, netbsd, openbsd, darwin, os x, and os 9. older apple hardware will also run things like beos, a/ux, developer releases of rhapsody and copland, etc. so you're wrong on that point.
as for third party hardware, its true that apple produces all the full systems. but i've got a ton of third party hardware in my machines, ranging from IBM drives to no-name PCI cards for USB and ethernet.
try looking at some reasonably recent statistics before you make sweeping claims, eh?
(incidentally, this whole "story" is flamebait shite, in my ever humble opinion.)
--saintsaintlupus, i know this is offtopic, but can you tell me whether an iMac is able to be single-booted with linux? i mean, can i set up my iMac with ONLY linux, and no Mac OS at all? for the life of me i can't find the answer on the Yellow Dog or LinuxPPC websites.
sure you can. boot from the mac os cd and run drive setup. reformat the drive as type "unallocated." then reboot, hold down the mouse button to eject the cd, put in the yellow dog cd, and run the installer. just remember that if you don't have mac os on there at all you're not going to get the fun of mac-on-linux.
(personally, i've got my machine booting to os 9.1, os x, and ydl. no problems yet.)
--saintLinux is still too hard for the typical Joe while XP will do everything for them
Maybe a year ago this was true, but I really don't think it is any more. I just installed Yellow Dog Linux on my iMac a few weeks ago - I've never seen such an idiot-proofed install. Everything works flawlessly, KDE is up and running fine, the network settings from install are carried over; in short, I couldn't find anything wrong.
Certainly things have come a long way since I watched friends struggling with Yggdrasil and Slackware back in the day. Mandrake is actually to the point that I'm recommending it to my, er, less computationally inclined relatives.
--saint