What he did, and Sony is pissed at him over, is release the (at the time) root security key of the system, which enables any software to be signed as if it was a legit executable from Sony. Despite what most of the anti-Sony rants on/. (and the bit from Anon), this has nothing to do with jailbreaking his PS3, and everything to do with the releasing the key, which is a violation of the DMCA.
Probably worse idea, since, IIRC the Sony rootkit didn't collect all of the data that this keylogger could. Whatever the case is though, still an extremely douchey move, Samsung, and hopefully one they'll be sued to hell over.
Having your own opinion is fine and dandy.... You are not, however, entitled to your own set of facts... You can connect a PS3 controller (be it a DS3 or a Move) to your PC, and no one is going to particularly give a damn about it. Why? Because a) That's not going to affect the money they get from game licensing, which is where they get most of their revenue, and b) they've been fine with letting this happen for years.
The times that they are litigious bastards are when someone does something that's doing something that's going to affect their bottom line. Whether it's morally right or wrong is an entirely different argument, but when you do things, such as break trademark agreements (Lik Sang) or post the keys to the system security model to the world (GeoHot), Sony, as any other IP-holding company would, is going to sick their lawyers on you. Now I will give you what the music division did was a complete load of BS, but they've already lost that court (and public opinion) battle long ago.
If you don't want to buy from them again, then don't, but please, when you find this "morally virtuous" company that's not eventually going to pull some asshole stunt on their customers, let all of us on/. know.
Well, I know you're not new here... but, really? I think Sony would sue people into oblivion for something like this at the drop of a hat.
O RLY? I know that Sony-hating is popular here these days, but take the 30 seconds to do a little research, instead of spouting some BS that's going to be picked up and spread around endlessly by the freetards.
Now, if you go distributing stuff on the internet that compromises their, oh, I don't know, security, chances are Sony's going to be kind of pissed over it. Or to put it another way (so eloquently by Rothbart at Sarcastic Gamer): "Right... but if you walk up and call Mike Tyson a pussy and kick him in the nuts, who is exactly "responsible" for your ass getting kicked?"
No, not quite.... if you're comparing it on a metric such as "Do you prefer an iOS/Android/RIM environment?" then yes, Android is beating Apple and is continuing to increase it's share. That's a fair comparison, since you can't knock Android for Apple only allowing one version of its phone/tablet platform at a time.
Since we all love car analogies on/., it's equivalent to asking "Do you prefer to drive a sedan or a pickup?" It doesn't matter how many vehicles of each the manufactures make, but how many of that type get picked up by the consumers.
I still stand by my point though, since the USAF aren't violating the DMCA because of a) they're the US Government (See GGP post) and b) if they were jailbreaking the systems (highly, highly doubtful), they're still not distributing how to do the jailbreak, which is where Sony is focusing the suits.
No. But it's illegal if you distribute how to do so (e.g. GeoHot). Doing it to your own machine will get you kicked off of PSN if you're retarded enough to put it online.
Ah, screw it....I'm tired of saying the same damn thing...
SONY...let us have our free games^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Linux back!!!1!1one!!1eleventy!!1!111!
If that's his logic on the store (promoting a "family-friendly" culture), then how in the hell did this app make it on to the store? Something like this doesn't do a thing to promote family values to anyone but the fringe Westboro Baptist Church types. That being said, I also hope this is on the marketplace and filed in with the fart apps and rated as low as humanly possible.
Why, hello there, Mr. Hyperbole... We've missed you lately. If you want some laws that don't deserve to be on there books, there's this one, as well as as this. But equating breaking copyright protection with dictatorial regimes.... you must be a certain kind of special to make that leap.
No, simply jail-breaking your PS3 isn't illegal (nor should it be). You will be banned from PSN if you bring that machine anywhere near their network, which is a legitimate recourse for Sony to take. But if you go out and tell the world how to break the security, which Geohot and a few others and as of now is illegal, you better have some good lawyers. This is no different then the DeCSS debacle from last decade.
Well, your humble opinion is wrong. There are exemptions for certain devices (e.g. mobile phones), none of which covering consoles. So, being that he knowingly distibuted a way to circumvent the security on the ps3, he broke the law, and is paying the consequences.
...is why we need a "STFU" mod option on/. Geohot broke through the hypervisor for giggles, and Sony realizedhe was able to get raw access to the system memory and it that it could be used to get at game data, hence the OtherOs removal. Douchey, yes, but still legal.
He also failed to mention that while the hardware is yours, the OS (and by extension PSN) still belongs to Sony. If you don't want to play by their rules, don't expect to them to welcome you with open arms. Geohot knew completely well that what he was doing would promote piracy, which is why fail0verflow was relatively mum on the whole issue.
Nah, nothing illegal except breaking the DMCA (which is still, btw, a law). You may not agree with the law, but the fact of the matter is that he willingly broke said law. That, and with what can be construed as extortion with the "you should hire me if you don't want your systems hacked" BS.
Sony could have handled it a lot better, PR-wise, but they didn't force him to share the keys with the world. At least fail0verflow had the common sense to not make them widely known. When they were discovered. And hey, had GeoHot not run his mouth, you would probably be running your CFW in peace right now.
Yes, but xtracto said he was drunk while writing that, and judging by the rambling incoherence, and factual inaccuracies, I would tend to agree with that statement...
But then again if I were drunk, I might actually think that cmd.exe was DOS, and that supporting a kinect API is somehow comparible to system-level security (Sony does support a move API, IIRC)... Wait..who am I kidding...I don't think I could ever be that drunk to believe that.
What happened with CU is that previous to the case, individuals in a corporation were allowed to make political contributions to whoever they chose to (up to the personal limit, which is $2400, IIRC). In the ruling that came down, corps were then allowed to donate whatever they wanted to out of their own accounts, and essentially without limits. So, because of this (monumentally bad) ruling, corporations could essentially drown out the voices from individual contributors, by spending millions from the corporate accounts on their favorite candidates.
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What he did, and Sony is pissed at him over, is release the (at the time) root security key of the system, which enables any software to be signed as if it was a legit executable from Sony. Despite what most of the anti-Sony rants on /. (and the bit from Anon), this has nothing to do with jailbreaking his PS3, and everything to do with the releasing the key, which is a violation of the DMCA.
Please.... we all know that's to rational of a reason to be viable on /. There has to be some evil, underhanded reason they did this.....
what the hell is that ...
That's a perfect reason why you shouldn't start drinking until at least 9AM. YMMV
Probably worse idea, since, IIRC the Sony rootkit didn't collect all of the data that this keylogger could. Whatever the case is though, still an extremely douchey move, Samsung, and hopefully one they'll be sued to hell over.
Having your own opinion is fine and dandy.... You are not, however, entitled to your own set of facts... You can connect a PS3 controller (be it a DS3 or a Move) to your PC, and no one is going to particularly give a damn about it. Why? Because a) That's not going to affect the money they get from game licensing, which is where they get most of their revenue, and b) they've been fine with letting this happen for years.
The times that they are litigious bastards are when someone does something that's doing something that's going to affect their bottom line. Whether it's morally right or wrong is an entirely different argument, but when you do things, such as break trademark agreements (Lik Sang) or post the keys to the system security model to the world (GeoHot), Sony, as any other IP-holding company would, is going to sick their lawyers on you. Now I will give you what the music division did was a complete load of BS, but they've already lost that court (and public opinion) battle long ago.
If you don't want to buy from them again, then don't, but please, when you find this "morally virtuous" company that's not eventually going to pull some asshole stunt on their customers, let all of us on /. know.
Well, I know you're not new here ... but, really? I think Sony would sue people into oblivion for something like this at the drop of a hat.
O RLY? I know that Sony-hating is popular here these days, but take the 30 seconds to do a little research, instead of spouting some BS that's going to be picked up and spread around endlessly by the freetards.
Now, if you go distributing stuff on the internet that compromises their, oh, I don't know, security, chances are Sony's going to be kind of pissed over it. Or to put it another way (so eloquently by Rothbart at Sarcastic Gamer):
"Right... but if you walk up and call Mike Tyson a pussy and kick him in the nuts, who is exactly "responsible" for your ass getting kicked?"
Didn't Netcraft already confirm that BSD is dying though? By extension, you could say that iOS is dying, with the kernel being derived from BSD.
I propose a different measurement: How many Godzilla's will this produce?
And not the 1998, Matthew-Broderick-starring Godzilla either, because, let's face it... that Godzilla sucked.
Um.... it was found in the water.... What the summary said was that Cesium-137 has a much longer half-life than the other isotopes.
No, not quite.... if you're comparing it on a metric such as "Do you prefer an iOS/Android/RIM environment?" then yes, Android is beating Apple and is continuing to increase it's share. That's a fair comparison, since you can't knock Android for Apple only allowing one version of its phone/tablet platform at a time.
Since we all love car analogies on /., it's equivalent to asking "Do you prefer to drive a sedan or a pickup?" It doesn't matter how many vehicles of each the manufactures make, but how many of that type get picked up by the consumers.
Bah, there's an easy solution anyway.... just talk to the creators of CSI and see if you can get in on the 427.x.x.x block.
Quite obvious if you ask me...
Meh.... reading comprehension == fail, today
I still stand by my point though, since the USAF aren't violating the DMCA because of a) they're the US Government (See GGP post) and b) if they were jailbreaking the systems (highly, highly doubtful), they're still not distributing how to do the jailbreak, which is where Sony is focusing the suits.
No. But it's illegal if you distribute how to do so (e.g. GeoHot). Doing it to your own machine will get you kicked off of PSN if you're retarded enough to put it online.
Ah, screw it....I'm tired of saying the same damn thing...
SONY...let us have our free games^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Linux back!!!1!1one!!1eleventy!!1!111!
GTA IV also had a mission where you captured some mobbed-up chick and took her hostage as well (the name of it escapes me, ATM).
Being that they basically funded SCO's little escapades against IBM, I would venture to guess "yes, they really are (still) that desperate."
If that's his logic on the store (promoting a "family-friendly" culture), then how in the hell did this app make it on to the store? Something like this doesn't do a thing to promote family values to anyone but the fringe Westboro Baptist Church types. That being said, I also hope this is on the marketplace and filed in with the fart apps and rated as low as humanly possible.
Why, hello there, Mr. Hyperbole... We've missed you lately. If you want some laws that don't deserve to be on there books, there's this one, as well as as this. But equating breaking copyright protection with dictatorial regimes.... you must be a certain kind of special to make that leap.
No, simply jail-breaking your PS3 isn't illegal (nor should it be). You will be banned from PSN if you bring that machine anywhere near their network, which is a legitimate recourse for Sony to take. But if you go out and tell the world how to break the security, which Geohot and a few others and as of now is illegal, you better have some good lawyers. This is no different then the DeCSS debacle from last decade.
Well, your humble opinion is wrong. There are exemptions for certain devices (e.g. mobile phones), none of which covering consoles. So, being that he knowingly distibuted a way to circumvent the security on the ps3, he broke the law, and is paying the consequences.
^this...
He also failed to mention that while the hardware is yours, the OS (and by extension PSN) still belongs to Sony. If you don't want to play by their rules, don't expect to them to welcome you with open arms. Geohot knew completely well that what he was doing would promote piracy, which is why fail0verflow was relatively mum on the whole issue.
Nah, nothing illegal except breaking the DMCA (which is still, btw, a law). You may not agree with the law, but the fact of the matter is that he willingly broke said law. That, and with what can be construed as extortion with the "you should hire me if you don't want your systems hacked" BS.
Sony could have handled it a lot better, PR-wise, but they didn't force him to share the keys with the world. At least fail0verflow had the common sense to not make them widely known. When they were discovered. And hey, had GeoHot not run his mouth, you would probably be running your CFW in peace right now.
Yes, but xtracto said he was drunk while writing that, and judging by the rambling incoherence, and factual inaccuracies, I would tend to agree with that statement...
But then again if I were drunk, I might actually think that cmd.exe was DOS, and that supporting a kinect API is somehow comparible to system-level security (Sony does support a move API, IIRC)... Wait..who am I kidding...I don't think I could ever be that drunk to believe that.
Meh... I still hire my own minstrels to follow me around for my entertainment, so you can get off mine, my childrens' and my grandchildren's lawns.
What happened with CU is that previous to the case, individuals in a corporation were allowed to make political contributions to whoever they chose to (up to the personal limit, which is $2400, IIRC). In the ruling that came down, corps were then allowed to donate whatever they wanted to out of their own accounts, and essentially without limits. So, because of this (monumentally bad) ruling, corporations could essentially drown out the voices from individual contributors, by spending millions from the corporate accounts on their favorite candidates.