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Duke Nukem Forever Multiplayer Mode Predictably Controversial
Gearbox Software has released some information about the multiplayer modes for Duke Nukem Forever, which is due out May 3rd (for real this time). In addition to standard deathmatch (called Dukematch), team deathmatch and a king-of-the-hill mode, there is "Capture the Babe," in which a typical CTF flag is replaced by a woman. Eurogamer explains it thus: "... when you grab the other team's babe, she sometimes 'freaks out.' The solution? Give her a gentle smack." Gearbox's Randy Pitchford, clearly understanding how politically incorrect this sounds, said, "You can get some things across in screenshots but not really. So we're kinda struggling with how we expose it so people understand what's there. The proof is in the pudding so to speak, so I don't want to talk about it too much."
When will you ever stop being awesome?
Can we hear about Borderlands 2 yet?
I can't believe no games have done babe capturing. I didn't care about DnF before, but after reading that summary it sounds like an instant classic.
Megatokyo style
Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.
The game is already done. All that needs to be done now is getting it "Gold," which means printed, discs pressed, etc.
So to answer your question, yes, they will stop wasting their lives on such a cliche project.
The capture the bimbo three way promises to be a popular mode.
... I hope when we capture the babe, he says "Hail to the King, Baby!"
This is ironic.
Oblivion Awaits
"... when you grab the other team's babe, she sometimes 'freaks out.' The solution? Give her a gentle smack."
Reminds me of a quote from Sean Connery from his James Bond days..."Sometimes...you just have to hit a woman."
Personally...I think you should have to find a roll of duct tape to be able to take with you. That way...when you get her...you can duct tape her hands/feet together and put a strip across her mouth. Takes care of her fighting and keeps her quiet. What more can a man ask for...a submissive woman who can't gripe at you.;)
Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. - Charles M. Schulz
There's just all sorts of "Wait, What" in this story...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
One of the best parts of Duke3d (along with many other classic FPSes) was the cooperative play mode. Leaving it out is bullshit; some people actually like to play these games with friends instead of against them.
Violence against women, great job. Been waiting years for this one Duke.
He's not politically correct. He's in fact not correct at all.
Dammit, it's a friggin' GAME! OK? It's a GAME! Treat it as such. We're talking about a steroid-pumped, bubblegum-chewing, over-the-top cliché pseudo-hero. I wouldn't say it's suitable for 10 year olds (or other people of similar feeble intellect that could take a computer game serious like, say, certain politicians or a certain ex-lawyer we all love so much), but why should you have to apologize as a computer game company for making a corny game?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This seems relevant: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/11/
If you don't understand why: http://webcomicoverlook.com/2010/08/17/penny-arcade-and-jokes-about-rape/
Apparently few made the connection to: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dick%20Wolf
How we know is more important than what we know.
you know the <routine>
For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
So, we're allowed to be politically incorrect?
I wonder how much they would make by launching DNF in Arab League states.
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So why is beating and killing prostitutes in GTA ok, but this some kind of travesty?
There is a fine line between being a cultivated citizen and being someone else's crop. - A. J. Patrick Liszkie
The actual phrase goes "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
Sexists and idiots, who would've thunk it??
At this point, it doesn't matter how much hate/love/controvery/whatever this brings: It brings publicity, and that's the point!
if you're gonna complain about cliches, at least focus on the present. duke is the exception, not the norm these days. what's wrong with a bit of male-archetype cliche? there's tons of 'girl power' moments in the media, making them a cliche stereotype in their own right. hell there are whole shows devoted to showing women in power, running everything, while the males are either kiss-up-captain-save-a-hos, criminals, or, some kind of sex abusers. oh right, I forgot, according to the feminist, male assertion of any kind = 'misogyny', but when females do it to males, it's 'empowerment.' I'm wonderin if the relatively recent intolerance towards the duke character has more to do with increasing gynocentricity and less to do with the drama surrounding the game's development. I say this because in the last few years I've noticed a lot of 'male chauvinist' critiques as a reason to diss the game. sure, they've always been there, even back in the 90s, but today, it seems like the most common complaint. Everyone knows there are far more pertinent attributes that can make a game suck.
The duke aint' PC.. that's what makes him cool. characters like this are the vaccine to the real-damage that the PC-shielding of ideology can do to society. it prevents critique of any kind out of "respect for others' feelings." I'm sure I"ll be modded down into oblivion for even suggesting this. oh well.
If you had to capture a guy and smack him, nobody would have said anything. In that case, Gearbox might even be blamed for not making the option of smacking a woman. So much for gender equality...
Postal 2 had capture the flag where you had to carry a hooker around as a flag. Not really controversial any more.
It's a game where you run around kill everyone - perfectly acceptable
Hit someone - How disgusting (pure double standards)
But the really really wrong bit, It is such a cheap publicity stunt. All BS and the offending bit will be removed when the story hits the mass media.
Already done in Postal 2 Multiplayer. :\ Yet any CTF style in a Mp game is always welcome!
...that movies like Blazing Saddles need to become mandatory viewing. People as a collective need to lighten the fuck up, and learn to laugh a bit.
In this time and age of Political Correctness Ãoeber Alles, I am glad that some creative people still enjoy ruffling some feathers. That used to be common in arts, does anyone remember? Today, few artists dare upset the cocktail-drinking ladies in the galleries.
It wouldn't be Duke without stuff like this.
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Hell, half the fun of Duke Nukem is that it's making fun of so many non-PC cliches it's always one step short of achieving critical mass.
Please, live up to it, Duke...
Downloadable capture-the-babe game for PS3. If you haven't played Fat Princess, you're missing out.
"You can get some things across in screenshots but not really. So we're kinda struggling with how we expose it so people understand what's there."
If screenshots are not good enough make a small video.
DUH!!!!
BattleTanks is the game/series you're thinking of. (They did at least 2, I played the 2nd one long ago when the console was still current, found a copy of the first one later when I bought an N64 on a nostalgia kick)
Gah, blogs for insecure men who think you can learn to be alpha. Saddest thing on the Internet.
Borderlands was flawed (lame level scaling, inactive NPCs, weak story, etc) but it was fun as hell. I'd love to see a Borderlands 2 fixing those flaws but keeping the cool design and graphics, the quirky humor, the bazillion guns, and so on.
Like any game, it's not for everyone. But, Borderlands was awesome and you suck for not thinking so. :p ;)
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
It was "capture the baby" ;-)
The original Half-Life mod Science and Industry played like a CTF game. The "flags" were scientists, and you captured them by hitting them on they head with a briefcase and carrying them back to your base. What a fun game.
And Duke Nukem Forever is released before Half Like 2: Episode 3. Part of me is crying inside...
If women had the same status in society - the same pay, same chances of being attacked, the same future prospects, and the same level of domestic abuse that men have - you'd have a point. As it currently stands, it's far worse (in the terms stated above) to be a woman than a man, so it's not really unexpected for people to cry foul when someone does something that seems to suggest that imbalance is somehow acceptable. Pushed to more extreme positions, your argument carries the same logical weight that arguing for the Klan was fine during the civil rights movement would. "Hey! Black folks are all uppity about something, so why not white folks!"
I personally don't have a problem with Duke Nukem, but I'm not so arrogant as to wonder why other people do have a problem with it. Political correctness is not designed to protect people's feelings, but to stem the flow of people being inaccurate about other people, which admittedly is the source of a lot of bad feelings, but the correction of that is merely the result of the rational thinking introduced by being politically correct, and not the main aim. Don't think of it as "political correctness", but simply "correctness" or "accuracy in viewing other people".
Sorry if I sound like a jerk.
You can't become alpha, but you can fake it. Duke Nukem is the only alpha male left, and he's not even real.
many don't
society is sick of sending cops to domestic violence scenes. therefore, society won't let troglodytes have games where there is violence against women. not because there is a definite connection, but simply because its insulting to all that society is working towards in terms of less violence towards women
so sorry assholes, deal with it, but your gaming needs, on a scale of importance of 1 to 10, ranks at zero, compared with some other agendas in the world, namely, less violence towards women and the need to teach people that it is wrong
most can understand that smacking a woman in a videogame does not mean it is socially acceptable. a few can't
no smacking women in videogames: i fully support that. deal with, "tough guy"
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I have been Linux only for a very long time. I have Windows (in a VM) at work and a little Mac at home... I think it's time I did a little BootCamping on my Mac Mini so I can do this game.
I have an XBox360... two actually and so I might get this game there too. I can hardly wait. I haven't been interested in gaming for a long time, but there's enough nostalgia in this game that I think I will really enjoy it.
(I hope they actually port the old maps into this game as added content... I really loved the old Duke3D... yeah I can, and probably will play it under Linux again)
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum.
No, no, it's: I'm here to kick ass or chew gum. An I'm all outta gum.
Everyone so far seems to be ignoring the most controversial bit in the multiplayer announcement.
In 2011, Duke Nukem Forever only supports eight-player multiplayer. EIGHT PLAYER multiplayer.
What does Gearbox think this is, the 90s?
GLaDOS for President 2016! "Well here we are again. It's always such a pleasure." -- GLaDOS, 2011
Imagine what Vent chat is going to be like for this game...
Apparently wizard is not a legitimate career path, so I chose programmer instead.
No. You sound like a bitch.
... for Duke to say "Gotta keep my pimp hand strong" when he does this.
I bet the game makers totally missed this golden opportunity because that particular Duke quote would become an instant classic.
Don't think of it as "political correctness", but simply "correctness" or "accuracy in viewing other people".
Accuracy my ass. Political correctness is all about sacrificing accuracy to make sure that nobody feels bad. Try telling someone that an incompetent woman got a good job because of her looks, and it's sexist. If that incompetent person is a minority, it's racism. This when it's a documented fact that handsome people are more successful and where affirmative action is actual policy. You simply cannot accuse anyone of incompetence unless they're white males. Accuracy would be looking at the record of their accomplishments, not their sex or color of their skin. But that's frowned upon.
Honestly, people assaulting other people (women or men) is completely inexcusable. Unless it's in a movie or video game. Do you know why? Because it's fake. Let's worry about real life and leave our Duke Nukem and James Bond fantasies alone, ok?
This is reason enough alone to buy the game, I always wanted to do that.
BattleTanx, actually. Not nitpicking, just want to make it a bit easier on anyone who wants to Google it.
We used to play the second one, Global Assault, quite a bit. Great friggin' game. Desperately needs a current-gen sequel. Not sure who owns the rights since the 3DO bankruptcy.
cocktail-drinking ladies in MY gallery ....
i'd slap the shit out of her.
The phrase is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating."
When will people stop being stupid?
Going Postal 2 had capture the babe where each side had a heart shaped bed with a girl on it. The goal was to capture the other teams babe and bring her back to your bed with your babe there. When you had both babes on your bed your team would win and the babes would start to make out.
The few people who think it's okay because it's in a video game shouldn't be playing video games. That goes for any of the killing, mass chaos, and generally bad behavior that just about any video game is going to include, including misogynistic behavior like this.
The rest of us can differentiate between video games and reality, and we don't need to have our games sanitized. Halo would suck if we all made friends and had tea parties.
0.01% of the game playing public is ever going to pick up an RPG. 0% will meet aliens
however, 90% will be in a domestic situation some point in their life where physical violence crosses their minds
you know, you could, in fact, depict a man hitting a woman in media if that man gets a comeuppance for that behavior. but what you can't do is have a man hitting a woman, just for fun, without any consequences
society is trying to teach that men who hit women are wrong. we can't be loosey goosey with the message. we don't need media that goes against the lesson plan. society has an agenda to decrease domestic violence. many cops die responding to domestic situations, and it wastes a lot of their time, and your tax dollars. so society has very good reasons to look very disapprovingly on media that depicts a man hitting a woman without any consequences, just for a sight gag
because men hitting women is a huge social problem, not a silly sight gag. meanwhile, society really doesn't have a problem with guys running around firing RPGs at aliens. so that violent fiction, not a problem
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Nothing new here...
In the PS3 Download, Fat Princess its a basic capture the flag however, the "Flag" is a princess for which you make it harder to capture by feeding her cake, which as you guessed it makes her fatter, and thereby harder to carry.
And yes people protested this as well...
I don't mean to be overly pedantic, but the proof is not in the pudding, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
I personally know more relationships where the woman is the abusive partner. The difference is, in those situations the man suffers in silence (guess who always gets the kids, house, child support, and alimony after a separation).
Also, every job I've ever had in my entire life, the boss has been a woman. CEO is irrelevant - there's a lot more bias there than just gender. The person in the corner office has been a woman in every company I've ever worked for without exception.
Godaddy is a scam and a ripoff.
... it came to actually being called "Capture the Fag", with Duke punching the girlieman in the face, but Gearbox would not allow it.
Women under the age of 30 in urban centers make more money than men. More women today are graduating with college degrees than men. This has been happening for years.
Basically, in places where the average man doesn't burn out his body working on a farm or in construction, women are making more money than men.
The feminist movement is over. They won. Women are now equal or superior to men.
It is time to end Title IX. It is time to bring education standards back up so that we can make sure little Johnny gets the same education little Suzie does.
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
No "gang bang" mode?
Yes, treating female characters as property IS offensive.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
lessee,
1. we got a coed-raping bond villain causing the downfall of half the governments in North Africa (remember him?)
2. the President of Egypt is forced out of office by mobs in the street enraged by #1
3. Charlie Sheen reveals himself as the Twelfth Imam to the world. He's also pyrokinetic and an indigo child. Probably sent from the future, too.
4. a record-breaking earthquake hits Japan
5. leading to a record breaking tsunami hitting Japan
6. leading to a record-breaking clusterfuck of a nuclear accident involving four reactors and numerous cooling ponds of radioactive waste -- in Japan.
7. Britain's having a royal wedding
8. Our Nobel Peace prize - winning President is bombing the shit out of Mohammar Ghadaffi in Libya, instigated, once again by J. Assange (see #1)
9. Oh yeah, whoever was in charge of Tunisia was chased out of office by Arab mobs (see #1)
10. And Yemen is following suit.
11. Don't forget open class warfare breaking out in Wisconsin as the Governor there gives those greedy teachers what they got comin' to them. Next up, firefighters and police...
So, by my estimate, we're right on schedule for release of DNF.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
The phrase is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating."
When will people stop being stupid?
Heh, good one. It looks like the upper hand is on the other foot, now!
Bow-ties are cool.
society is currently engaged in a many decade, ongoing effort to teach people things like drunk driving is wrong. domestic violence is wrong. do you know how many cops die breaking up domestic situations? how much time and money is wasted? your money?
Hm, you make a good point, we need to put a stop to this right away!
From now on, police should not respond to domestic violence complaints!
Bow-ties are cool.
Half the fun of Duke Nukem is that he's such an overdone stereotype. He takes the action hero archetype so far beyond its logical conclusion that you can't be offended by it because it's so ridiculous. Remember kids, guns don't kill mutants, I kill mutants!
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All they need to do is provide a local option that swaps models: The players become amazons (or valkyries, depending on your tastes) and the "flag babe" becomes "flag beefcake". See? Equal Opportunity Offender!
0.01% of the game playing public is ever going to pick up an RPG. 0% will meet aliens
however, 90% will be in a domestic situation some point in their life where physical violence crosses their minds
And 100% of them will be in some situation some point in their life where physical violence crosses their minds. So by that logic we should be having tea parties instead of playing Halo.
Capture the babe? Slap the bitch?
"You're gonna die for that"
Thank you very much for your last sentence. When I first read that 0.01% of the game playing public would pick up a Role Playing Game, I thought that sounded a bit on the low side.
...look like Sarah Palin, and the politically correct liberals won't complain about it.
The amount of children that view/play violent media is likely staggeringly high. How many of them are actually insane enough actually imitate the violence and try it on others?
I know, right? Remember when we were kids, and we would always emulate looney tunes and drop anvils on neighborhood dogs that we had put on rocket powered roller skates? Oh, wait, THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
news flash: normal people don't get violent because they see violence. Mentally 'fragile' people are dangerous in any case.
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Nuh-uh! No it doesn't! Pbbbbbtttt! :-P
u mad?
Ok, so women have commercials where guys are depicted as lovable dummies, some as wife-beaters, and most as bad-boy womanizers.
Men now have a game where the hero is portrayed as a rapist who kidnaps and beats women.
How are these two the comparable?
The last video game I bought (to play myself, not for my kids) was Cool Boarders 2 for the Playstation (not playstation 2 or 3, the original one). After all this conversation I am really interested to get this game just to check this out and see what all the fuss is about. I will probably have to get some help from the kids to get to this slapping the babe part, but I'm really looking forward to it now.
My source is IMDB for the quote from the film, which was then re-purposed into the game. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/quotes
Also attributed to Dr. Detroit. (Dan Akroyd)
Ah, I see. Women who have gone through college (and probably have much more debt for it) are finally making more money than men who haven't. That's the conclusion from the article you linked. Well, bully for them. However if you account for education, women are still making 75% of what men do: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/Women_in_America.pdf. So forgive me for not celebrating yet.
it sounds like you are advocating rape.
I totally agree that it should be fine to make a non-PC game like this. Sounds funny to me. Don't be surprised that people are going to be offended by it, though.
And really, your little rant is a load of crap. And no, I am not a female. There are negative stereotypes and double standards on both sides. You are the one acting like that sad little victim in a harsh female dominated world. Give me a break. Just because good looking women don't pay attention to you doesn't mean that all inequalities have been solved. I mean "gynocentricity"? Come on man, wipe the Cheeto crumbs off your shirt, hit the gym, and maybe you'll land a date. This whole mentality of crying how hard it is to be male in this world is just hilarious. Seriously, if the world is "gynocentric", your are part of the problem with your wussy/complaining attitude. Act like a man and maybe you will be treated like one.
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So people who went through college make more money than people who don't. Big shocker there! There is no such thing as equality. There are always going to be advantage to being a male or a female in and out of the work place. This may shift over time to mean different things. But to say women have won and are equal or superior is just flat out stupid. You look at a few statistics and make the conclusion that the male-dominated world is over. I thought people on here were smarter than this fluff.
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3DRealms should be sued by Roddy Piper for breaching the character of Duke Nukem when they adapted the story from They Live.
But this isn't going to happen, seeing that the movie They Live is about fighting-off invading Reptilian aliens remeniscent of JEWS, the same that probably published They Live and are probably the same that are marketing Duke Nukem Forever.
Never in the movie They Live would Roddy Piper ever portray himself as disorderly to human women, but those JEWS err Reptilians are the ones that are going to get a shotgun blast to the head.
Alex Jones (maried a Jewess and has 3 Jewish children) is the guy that brings them into the News Studio.
David Ike is the black preacher.
No, the point is that women who go though college are making more than men who go through college. I'm sorry that contradicts your womyn's studies professor, but it is true. Further, women who have not dropped out of the workforce to have children are making more money than men.
It's over. The feminist movement is over. Women have achieved parity with men.
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
I thought people on here were smarter than this fluff.
I did too. I guess I need to spell it out.
You seem to misunderstand the concept of trends. The Y generation (or cohort if you like) is developing into the workplace. Low and behold, the women in this cohort are making more money than the men. This is the first time this has ever happened (Margret Mead's lies aside). Further, the women under the age of 30 (the Y cohort) are getting promotions faster than the men and they are earning increases in income faster than men.
The workplace has fundamentally changed. This needs to be addressed.
And I'll say further. The reason why the workplace has fundamentally changed is because we have handicapped boys rather than promoting girls. In the United States the form of feminism as implemented has not been pro-women, but rather it has been misandric. The implementation of the feminist standards has dumbed down the education demanded of boys to suit the demands of the feminist population.
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
I suspect your stats are misleading, gleaned from particular institutions with particular agendas and ideologies.. the only truthful thing one can say about discrimination is that:
1. it happens to everyone sometimes. deal with it. if it's institutionalized, you should be able to do something about it assuming the discrimination is based upon irrelevant attributes, regardless of what attributes are at issue. this is NOT what the current politics supports, though this is what's preached in their speeches.
2. all of the activist groups (especially the politically established ones) preach tolerance at the expense of liberty while practicing (lobbying for law) institutionalized bigotry towards the other side(s)
3. being 'uppity' about something does not mean the argument is wrong.. in the same way that blacks were being 'uppity' about their rights, the political movements which support them are dead set on ensuring that whites are held down. it's ok to build a school for poor non-white kids, but not poor white kids. it's ok to have a womens-only college, but forget about a men-only college. politicians find every loophole in the book to shut down one side, while openly ignoring grievous abuse by the other. all part of what political correctness does: prevent rational discussion, and most importantly, critique of ideas, solely to prevent 'offense' of others' 'feelings.' it's a dirty trick that's been around a long time..
That would never sell. Women aren't big on sexualized violence.
Eight people, that's just perfect for couple's night! I feel so sorry for all the girlfriends who are going to have to pretend this is funny.
Duke is going to have talent points.
Your Ass? Your Face? What's the difference?
--Duke Nukem
Huh?