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What Would You Like to See in an Ops Center?

binaryspiral asks: "I work in a network operations center that has a fair amount of tours and escorted customer traffic. We (the ops employees) have been given the option of submitting ideas for a redesign that would upgrade our ops center to something more functional and visually impressive to potential customers who visit. I'm also looking into software applications that monitor our systems and put them on large displays but a lot of it looks ho-hum. Unfortunately, one of the criteria is that this redesign be functional and visually appealing. I would ask the Slashdor crowd to share with me the things you hate or love about your ops center. Any suggestions or ideas from this crowd might actually be what I'm looking for!"

128 comments

  1. lots of flashing shit by briancurtin · · Score: 0

    all sorts of graphs, numbers, all of that. customers love to see that stuff

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    1. Re:lots of flashing shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      htop running on a water-display

  2. Big Red Button by ericspinder · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A big red button near the door, uncovered, and at the right height for a twelve yo to punch. The real question would be wether or not to hook the halon up to it. :)

    Really, other than software, I'd suggest a good look at layout; are the work areas separate from the racks, perhaps even a separate area for 'problem' servers? Is there a good size parts room (perhaps off the 'beaten path'). Can you keep people away from the cabinets by having large windows to view the 'magic area'. Nothing says 'professional' like all LCD monitors (dual is better).

    Just don't let them forget the break room and the bathrooms. Also be sure to have plenty of cameras For a touch of fun, you could install UV lighting, and reactive cables. Taking another page from the case mode handbook, liquid cooling might really 'wow' them.

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    1. Re:Big Red Button by name773 · · Score: 1

      dual monitor idea heartily seconded

      make sure you use xinerama or the nvidia equivalent, so people can drag one window across both screens; people love doing that at first.

    2. Re:Big Red Button by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      Halon?

      When I went on the 'family tour' of an IBM Facility in the early 70's, they told us the 'big red button' would immediately cut all power to the system. And that it would burn up as a result since the cooling system would power down as well.

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    3. Re:Big Red Button by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

      Yep,

      we had the power off button, safety feature in case of a coolant leak. Great fun when half way through the days trading some dofus hit it. How fast can you bring up a machine that uses punch cards and reel to reel tape to loading the firmware to the disk drives so that we can then take the 15mins to ipl :-) All the while the dealers were watching the boards to see how much money they were losing/gaining :-)

    4. Re:Big Red Button by binaryspiral · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Remember this isn't a datacenter - it's an operations center I'm speaking about. Our DC is currently very well taken care of, we just need our Ops center to meet that level.

      We all are based on Thinkpad Laptops with 17" secondary LCDs and docking stations.

      Oh, and by code there are big red buttons on every exit from the DC (covered with acrylic break away covers)... it kills the power to all racks instantly. Don't even joke about pushing it...

    5. Re:Big Red Button by dratox · · Score: 1

      Also, the dual monitors should be mounted on a pole that comes down from the ceiling with telescopic arms.

      Just for anded impracticality, and added awesomeness, add some touchscreens with a pointless but sci-fi looking interface (LCARS, anyone?)

    6. Re:Big Red Button by Nutria · · Score: 1

      'big red button'

      a.k.a. the Big Red Switch.

      On the box in our shop, it was the side of the main unit. Pressing it shot a bolt of aluminum[0] thru the main power cables, smashing the power unit. The box went down, quickly and hard[1], but the electricity was cut so totally (remember, this was in the early 1980s, and IBM mainframes were big and used lots of KW of electricity) that there was no possibility of electrical fires if water got in the units.

      It goes without saying that anyone who ever pushed the BRS without a damned good reason was instantly fired.

      [0] I asked why it fired a conductive bolt, but don't remember the answer.
      [1] The field engineer(s) would have to do major (days long) surgery on it before it would come up.

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    7. Re:Big Red Button by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We all are based on Thinkpad Laptops with 17" secondary LCDs and docking stations.

      Do you really need laptops ? I ask because when I started at my current job, they offered to get me a laptop (with an external LCD) "like everyone else". Since the job didn't require any on-the-road work, I asked why "everyone" had laptops. "The just do" was the response. Now, having been there a few months and not seeing a single laptop ever leave it's docking station in that time, I just wonder why "everyone" wants laptops.

      Since then, I've not once regretted getting the dual-CPU PC with SCSI RAID, 2GB RAM and dual 21" LCDs instead :).

    8. Re:Big Red Button by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1

      Remember this isn't a datacenter - it's an operations center I'm speaking about.

      How about upgrading the unix skills of the monkeys who go out to your cabinets for reboots? You know how hard it is trying to tell them to type '/usr/local/sbin' over a staticky cell phone when they don't have a clue what 'usr' is? I've been involved with four DCs in the last 5 years and it's all the same. I am sick of driving out to the data center at 3 am and seeing something like /sbin/fsck-y / on the console. "It says 'command not found'", they say. "Really???", I say. "This server must be fucked," I think to myself. Oh, wait, there is no command called fsck-y, it's fsck space dash y.

      Oh, wait, nevermind. I'm already a customer. You don't have to impress me. Sorry for the rant and mod me down, but I just went through this shit with Internap (Fischer Plaza, the very data center with the big red button that was pushed) just a few weeks ago.

    9. Re:Big Red Button by sbryant · · Score: 1

      Just don't forget to put the big red button behind the door, so that when somebody rushes in and gives the door a hard shove....

      Sound funny? It wasn't that funny when the all the servers suddenly got turned off at HP in Böblingen. They've since moved the button.

      Back to the original topic: HP OpenView can display the status of lots of machines simultaneously. That looks quite nice, but the display also has to be somewhere where the ops people can see it too.

      -- Steve

    10. Re:Big Red Button by KDan · · Score: 1

      Have a look around the Accenture Technology Labs, they have some pretty nifty large-screen displays which are robust, reasonably cheap (for an ops centre), very useful, and pretty damn cool.

      As an ops centre, having visibility over what people are doing/monitoring is probably something you want, especially in crisis situations.

      Daniel

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    11. Re:Big Red Button by cecille · · Score: 1

      Back when I was in school we had labs with big red buttons like this (I think most labs do). Push the button and all the power to the lab is cut. It really wasn't hard to reset (nothing like the parent's system), but push it at the wrong time (friday night) and you could wait days for the lab to come back up (monday morning when the tech came in and reset it). The buttons were highly visible so that people could get to them / see them in an emergency, but it also meant they were easy to push.

      Anyway, this one time we were in the lab, working on one of our labs for class, which was clearly designed by a man who had not actually done the lab (it was set up as a do this one thing for 5 sensors for 10 different trials on these 5 different surfaces for 3 different angles in 10 different lighting conditions plus some other stuff - if you actually did all the trials as requested, even if you worked all day every day there wouldn't be enough time from the time it was assigned to the time it was to be handed in). Anyway, we'd finally got a respectable sample, but it had taken 3 full nights in the lab to get them done. I had been working for about 4 hours on these graphs, which WERE saved on the computer in a big matlab file. Just as I'm doing a save to the network drive, this moron walks into the room and leans right on the button. Power goes off. When it comes back up the file was wiped off the hard drive (computers wiped every reboot) and the network version had been totally corrupted by the failed save.

      I was halfway to tears, but the words that were coming out of my mouth more indicated extreem anger (I would have made a sailor blush). He just backed away and went out the door and I didn't see him in the lab for a good three days.

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    12. Re:Big Red Button by bluGill · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well I take my laptop to meetings. It is handy to be able to do work while the boss is talking about some other project, then when the topic changes I come back. Sometimes that is the most work I get done in a day. Not to mention I often start a long test before a meeting, the laptop lets me fix stupid mistakes so it runs. (I never come back to: "big-test.dat" not found, when I have the laptop to copy that file to the right location and restart the test)

      Though if I could trade a laptop for dual LCDs I would.

    13. Re:Big Red Button by itwerx · · Score: 1

      ...I just went through this shit with Internap (Fischer Plaza...

      Heh, I helped a client move a couple racks of gear out of there just the other day!

  3. Das Blinkenlights by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

    What more can I say?

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    1. Re:Das Blinkenlights by hedronist · · Score: 1
      Absolutely! Most server racks these days are booooring. You want blinkenlights? You want a DEC KA-10 with a BBN pager. http://www.opost.com/tenex/kapix.html All of those panels at the tops of the boxes were just filled mit der lovely blinkenlights. Combined with an IMP (http://www.livinginternet.com/g/kleinrock_imp3.jp g) and a little Maui Wowie, you could have a pretty good night debugging.

      On an only-slightly-less-serious note, I would love to have something that plugs into a USB port (or something) and that has lots of nice blinkenlights that are somehow related to what the system is doing.

    2. Re:Das Blinkenlights by hardlined · · Score: 4, Funny

      ACHTUNG!!!

      Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch das blinkenlights!!!

      - Courtesy of BSD Forunte :-)

    3. Re:Das Blinkenlights by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      The XServe has my vote as the sexiest rack mount server, but I'm not physically exposed to server hardware too often. Are there any other superslick servers out there?

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    4. Re:Das Blinkenlights by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      I built this years ago (RS232, not USB) for a PIC uC. It's not hard to build from a large pic. We had 30 LEDs blinking on it.

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    5. Re:Das Blinkenlights by Nutria · · Score: 1

      http://www.opost.com/tenex/x118-27-modems.jpg

      Ah, acoustic modems. 110 baud, from the look of them. Makes me a bit misty-eyed, remembering them.

      Then I actually *do* remember them, and what a PITA they were, and how glad I was to get a direct-connect modem.

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      "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
    6. Re:Das Blinkenlights by WebCrapper · · Score: 3, Funny

      Good lord, if I only had mod points.

      ACHTUNG - ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS

      Das Machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren musten keepen das cotten-pickenen hands in das pockets - relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.

      The above was apparently based on the following, original version, from the early 1960s:

      Alles touristen und non-technischen looken peepers! Das machinkontrol is nicht for gefengerpoken und mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenverk, blowenfus, undpoppencorken mit spitzensparken. Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur geverken by das dumpkopfen. Das rubber necken sightseenen keepen das cotton-picken hands in das pockets. So relaxen, und vatchen das blinkenlights.

      And here's the phony-English version the Germans use:

      This room is fullfilled mit special electronische equipment. Fingergrabbing and pressing the knoeppkes from the computers is allowed for die experts only! So all the "lefthanders" stay away and do not disturben the brainstorming von here working intelligences. Otherwise you will be outthrown and kicked anderswhere! Also: please keep still and only watchen astaunished the blinkenlights.

      Of course, this warning would not be complete without the Internet version:

      Das Internet is nicht fuer gefingerclickend und giffengrabben. Ist easy droppenpacket der Routers und overloaden der Backbone mit der spammen und der me-tooen. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei die Dummkopfen. Die mausklicken Sichtseeren keepen das Bandwidth-spewen Hands in die Pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das cursorblinken.

      Finally, the Palm Pilot version:

      Das PalmPilot ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy scratch der Screene, zappen RAM, und droppen-smashen. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das Dummkopfen. Das rubber-necken Sichtseeren keep die Hands in die Pockets -- relaxen und watchen Das Blinkenlights.

  4. Impressions. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

    A series of giant translucent displays hanging from the ceiling like giant columns throughout the NOC that show three-dimensional renderings of everything that is occuring on the network at the moment, like in the movie Hackers. Also, at least one of your main guys in the NOC should wear all black, have funky hair and carry a skateboard around with him through the office. Also, liberally spread around a few terminals. Most important of all, have a couple geeky/emo looking trogs arguing about RISC architecture off in some corner of the room, rather loudly. Follow my suggestions and you will not fail to impress!

    1. Re:Impressions. by danielrose · · Score: 1

      and those kick ass keyboards from the noc in hackers that look cool

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  5. Ambient Devices Orbs by PylonHead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think a bunch of these in some systematic display would be pretty awesome. Maybe they pulse green slowly when things are good, and flash red when all hell is loose.

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    1. Re:Ambient Devices Orbs by Ed+Thomson · · Score: 1

      BREASTS, everyone wants to see breasts.

    2. Re:Ambient Devices Orbs by vjmurphy · · Score: 1

      Chances are good that with a set up like this, some boneheaded upper-level management person will force you to make sure they always glow green when customers are around.

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      Vincent J. Murphy
      Spandex Justice
  6. screen saver.. by file+cabinet · · Score: 1

    matrix screensaver! http://zmatrix.sourceforge.net/

  7. me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    what would you like to see

    visually

    large displays

    visually appealing


    Boobies, of course.

  8. Yes, please go ask on "Slashdor"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and leave us out of your idiotic questions.

  9. What every NOC needs by GryMor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A low yield fusion weapon to make raiding the NOC a bad idea. Only helps if everyone has one, should disuade invasion by hostile forces.

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    1. Re:What every NOC needs by Keruo · · Score: 3, Funny

      oh, I thought Cisco networks were self defending :P

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    2. Re:What every NOC needs by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1

      Voice controlled I hope? "Computer. Activate self destruct. 15min. silent countdown."

  10. I want DATA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, not information, but Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation. I always expecct to see Data at ops.

  11. Tell them thanks but no thanks. by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since you seem to be having trouble coming up with general areas in which you want improvement the obvious answer is to tell them that you are doing as well as you can given the current state of technology and notning should be done. Your customers and shareholders will thank you.

    1. Re:Tell them thanks but no thanks. by name773 · · Score: 1

      and if you do go for the new setup, i would certainly recommend stressing functionality over appearance wherever possible.

      as for an easy way to make it look awesome, just make sure people can see neatly organized bundles of cable and lots of them. works for me every time

    2. Re:Tell them thanks but no thanks. by name773 · · Score: 1

      or i should say works on me every time, i only do networking stuff at home, and it's sufficient, but nothing stunning.

    3. Re:Tell them thanks but no thanks. by toddbu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I once was told that the best way to scare away a venture capitalist is to invite them to your posh office and serve them a catered lunch. Most VCs are bottom line folks and understand that any money spent on flashy stuff is just wasted cash. The same can be true of your customers - they'd rather get good service than see a cool data center.

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    4. Re:Tell them thanks but no thanks. by speleo · · Score: 1

      Well said.

      Every company that I've seen actually do something like this went out of business shortly thereafter.

      What sort of things did these companies do you ask? How about floor to ceiling windows that can go from clear to very dark at the flick of a switch in the conference room next to the data center floor. At the right time during a sales pitch -- and to "Also Sprach Zarathustra" -- the presenter flicks the switch revealing the data center and ops center.

      Big plasma displays were all the rage for the ops centers a few years ago. With the prices of those coming down and getting more popular I'm not sure how impressive those now are. Maybe an array of rear projection screens along one wall with a (useless) graphic of your network would do the trick. These would also be handy for porn viewing during the night shift.

      I'd suggest that looking for a new job might be a priority if this subject comes up. Seriously.

    5. Re:Tell them thanks but no thanks. by binaryspiral · · Score: 1

      I think you're missing the point. The company's growth has been off the charts and we've added a lot of new people - redesigning our ops center is a necessity for form and function.

      Why not make it look good in the process? Oh, and cost is a top priority - that's why I've asked slashdot for ideas. No money in the budget for pricey consultants who will just toss some LCDs on the wall.

    6. Re:Tell them thanks but no thanks. by toddbu · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The company's growth has been off the charts and we've added a lot of new people

      Ok, now you should really be scared. Very few companies can sustain massive growth spurts. More often than not, a company will get a bunch of new business and assume that more is coming, and they spend accordingly. If I were given this task, I'd focus on building a system that was extensible and forget about the looks. When they come in for a tour, tell your customers that while it doesn't look very sexy, you've chosen to build a solid system that can grow with their needs. Then put the money that you saved in a bank account for a rainy day.

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  12. Samurize by Zackbass · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you have some systems running Windows I highly reccomend hooking up a few displays with Samurize. It's what all the case modders use to display system data on auxilary screens and does some absolutely beautiful things with your data.

    http://www.samurize.com/

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    1. Re:Samurize by kagaku · · Score: 1

      Even if you run Unix/Linux based servers, you can still put samurize to use. It's very configurable and scriptable; you just need some form of output from whatever service/program you want to monitor, and the ability to write a script to display that data in a meaningful way.

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    2. Re:Samurize by modi123 · · Score: 1
      In the god like words of Ted "Woah"!

      I didn't know this thing existed, thanks!

    3. Re:Samurize by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      Linux desktops can do the same thing with SuperKaramba. And, of course, OSX desktops had Konfabulator before any of this.

  13. hmm, maybe.. by hookedup · · Score: 4, Informative

    if you've got an iis server/.net framework running somewhere, check this out

    "Designed to display and monitor real-time data using a range of fully customizable Gauge and Dial types, Dundas Gauge is perfectly suited to developers building digital dashboards, manufacturing, financial, and other applications that monitor KPI's (Key Performance Indicators) and other critical data."

    they would look pretty sweet on some big flat panels..

    1. Re:hmm, maybe.. by speleo · · Score: 1

      Ok, I've seen everything now.

      This is a company that sells software that creates analog graphic guages priced in the hundreds to thousands of dollars -- for one license.

    2. Re:hmm, maybe.. by shyster · · Score: 1

      Quest's Spotlight series are both functional and have a pretty snazzy UI. When I was demoing their Sql Server and Windows monitors, co-workers thought I was playing a game. All that eye candy is pretty taxing on processor usage, though - so you may need a dedicated box to pump it out in high res glory.

    3. Re:hmm, maybe.. by legirons · · Score: 1

      "if you've got an iis server/.net framework running somewhere, check this out"

      If they've got an iis server/.net framework running, they'll be too busy to play around with dashboard widgets!

  14. run Cacti by NoSuchGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Run Cacti on different monitors. View some screenshots here

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  15. Just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just have a few workers laying back in comfy chairs. With a wire stuck on their head somewheres...Have them twitch occaisonally. Tell vistors the twitches are when they reboot servers or detect intrusion attempts. Paint flames on one of the walls. Tell people that's the firewall.

  16. You only have to live up to Hollywood by nortcele · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The expectation of your visitors will only be what they have seen in movies. You meet or exceed that... excellent. If you are below that, visitors will think the system is below par. Personally. I like glass, lights, and large screens. Screens like NASA has. For the glass, I think machines behind glass like in the movie Sneakers is neat. Large glass windows like one sees in a shopping mall. Depends what you want the visitors to be impressed with. Security? Cool security things. Not some exit door alarm like the local bookstore has. First define the impression you want to make on visitors, then work from there.

    1. Re:You only have to live up to Hollywood by ChipMonk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I once interviewed for an ISP housed in an old telco central office. They had the windowed room with the big racks and lots of blinkenlights, and five monster projection screens with real-time network activity indicators. Two rows of desks faced the screens, and every desk had a phone. Because it was in an old central office, it was also a fallout shelter (until some dope put in the glass front door), and it had a ton (possibly literally) of backup batteries and a big Diesel generator. I felt like I was interviewing on the set of War Games.

    2. Re:You only have to live up to Hollywood by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      One of my friend works at a IT support company where they do remote backups of smaller companies' data, monitor they servers etc.

      The mostly server-oriented dept where he works is located in an old underground bank vault, complete with a metre-thick front door. They have the same setup with stats and alarms, with their desks facing it.

      It's a supremely cool place to work, too.

      That bastard.

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      Eat the rich.
    3. Re:You only have to live up to Hollywood by W12x40 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Get the giant Mercator world map with the blinking lights randdomly scattered over it and a big SPECTRE logo.

    4. Re:You only have to live up to Hollywood by legirons · · Score: 1

      There was a story about some antivirus ops room that had two entrances:

      (1) the entrance with double bulletproof doors set into granite, with an armed guard and fingerprint scanner, to use when visitors were around so that they would go away with good stories about the level of security at the place

      (2) the normal entrance, that people used to get into their office when visitors weren't around

  17. Don't buy based on looks by ritRadical · · Score: 0

    You are planning on buying new hardware/software based on if it is visually impressive? I honestly would prefer to spend money on useful apps that will make your job easier and worry about impressing people who know nothing about data centers later. Your data center isn't Disney World. Function before form.

  18. Why ask us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're trying to impress the customers on tour, ask the customers, not us.

  19. suggestion by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
    Unfortunately, one of the criteria is that this redesign be functional and visually appealing

    Kind of rules out any advice /. might provide. Unless you'd like a color scheme to blind your customers into submission.

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    These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

  20. Big Disk + Nice Rack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've known one IT manager to insist that every NOC needs a big disk and a nice rack. All of the real work ends up being done by overloaded and obsolete boxes under desks in offices, because the nice rack is idle and the big disk is blank.

  21. You never think they look like TV by ballwall · · Score: 1

    I visited Norad when I was a kid, and was SO disappointed that there was no huge room like in War Games (at least not that I saw). And visiting various NOCs they were always a let down...

    Then I saw this one in person. Straight out of the movies. You can't see it in the picture, but there's a briefing center behind it with glass that's normally opaque (translucent really) but turns transparent when current is applied (Exactly like the congressional hearing scene in Sum of All Fears). Fun to watch peoples' faces when they hit the button.

    1. Re:You never think they look like TV by metamatic · · Score: 1

      I've been working on the new IBM briefing center in Chicago. The machine room there is behind a wall of glass so it's visible from the reception area, and of course it's all jet-black IBM rack-mount kit with blinky lights; the power units are hidden away at the back, because they're not black. The reception itself is behind a curved glass wall made from panels of glass suspended from industrial-looking metal joints. The reception desk looks like it was made from printed circuit boards. I'm implementing the software to drive the flat panels suspended from the ceiling and mounted to the wall outside each room.

      Anyhow, my suggestion for what to include in a NOC would be an espresso bar...

      (Opinions mine, not IBMs.)

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    2. Re:You never think they look like TV by JhohannaVH · · Score: 1

      I helped build the one at MCI that doesn't look *quite* as nice as this one at IBM, but it was very very nice. Until the IBM monitors started exploding at 3am. Frickin' security guy called the cops cuz he thought a gun had been shot in the building, but my teammate called me at home about at broken monitor at the same time. We used Averkeys to display and record scrolling logs to VHS (can you tell this was started in 1996?) and upgraded from there. *woot*

      All that being said, whatever you do.. invest in the wide screen flat panels, especially the ones that can go vertical so that you can display logs/pages/monitoring however you want for best effectiveness.

      Jho - veteran builder of NOCs and DataCenters since 1991

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    3. Re:You never think they look like TV by man_ls · · Score: 1

      I concur, actually. I was blown away by the scale of it all, but inside the actual spring-mounted buildings (built like navy ships, for some reason) there wasn't anything impressive.

      Missile command silos in the middle of Wyoming (for the Peacekeeper fleet, I think) were much more interesting. Obviously, there were some things they had to cover up, certain displays, but there *were* banks of switches and das-blinkenlights which were impressive.

    4. Re:You never think they look like TV by rzebram · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly, they were built like Navy ships because they were built by the guys who make Navy ships. Makes sense, really.

  22. Three words by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 2, Funny

    Big flashing lights. Especially if the people have ADD... then it'll be 'ooh! pretty light!!'

  23. Go the War Games route by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have a computer play tic-tac-toe against itself as it also tries to discover nuclear launch codes. Have everyone run around in a panic, picking up phones and screaming orders, handing off papers, etc. Make sure you have a big red phone in the center. When it rings, answer, "Yes, Mr. President."

    That'll impress them!

    Oh, and hire this guy for your center. He needs a real job. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001056/

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  24. The War Room from Dr. Strangelove by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

    The Big Board is AWESOME!!!

    1. Re:The War Room from Dr. Strangelove by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but you can't fight in there. What if someone makes you really angry?

  25. How about... by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 1

    A bunch of empty racks. Whenever a tour comes through, someone can run in and yell "We've been cleaned out. They stole all the machines! The database, payroll, everything. They're all gone!"

    The tour guide can then point to a lonely machine in the corner and say they were all replaced with that one. Maybe have a memo handy.

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    1. Re:How about... by Destoo · · Score: 1

      That's a good line.

      "No sir.. Your server is not down. It was stolen. Yes we have a ticket number. Thank you for calling."

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  26. re: What Would You Like to See in an Op Center? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Funny

    What Would You Like to See in an Op Center?

    Tom Clancy. So that we can deride him for his crappy books.

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  27. Giant screens by Centurix · · Score: 2, Funny

    You need three giant screens roughly 20' high each, on the first you would display all the current inbound and outbound traffic, status controls for nodes etc. The second would display routing information with a giant map of the world and flashing lines running backwards and forwards. Then the third would be allocated to display the biggest game of solitaire in the world. If the first two screens don't impress them, then the last will certainly make all the customers go "oooh!"

    Then you need to buy 5 chimps from the local zoo and train them on how to change tape drives.

    And THEN you need to hire about 30 circus midgets, paint them orange, with green hair and stripey suits, so that whenever a potential customer gets locked into a server cage they can magically appear and sing a little song...

    Man, that's MY idea of a great ops building!

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    1. Re:Giant screens by JediTrainer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And THEN you need to hire about 30 circus midgets, paint them orange, with green hair and stripey suits, so that whenever a potential customer gets locked into a server cage they can magically appear and sing a little song...

      With apologies to Roald Dahl...

      Oompa Loompa, Doobidie Doo
      Another Stupid Dumbass, Locked-in Are You!

      Oompa Loompa, What do you See?
      Don't let him out, he's a PHB!

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  28. Babecam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A babecam with a dedicated display is what you need. Your visitors will sign up for your service just so they can come back often and enjoy the facilities.

  29. Heat! by autarkeia · · Score: 1

    Well, you could do what Verio does in NYC and open all of the security doors and put box fans in the doors to help keep the NOC cool. The sparks from overheated motherboards should add a nice splash of light and smoke, and you wouldn't even have to hire extras to be the frustrated throngs of people beating down the door to the OC.

    1. Re:Heat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or we could be like you and write a retarded blog about your 733+ PHP skillz and yappy dogs and gay friends in SF.

  30. superslick servers out there? by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 1

    Dunno about server, but I was wondering about a new desktop...
    http://www.orionmulti.com/products/specs_ds96
    - Performance 230 GFlop peak, 110 GFlop sustained (Linpack) -

    What else ??? ah, yes, an ugly as hell server I wouldn't mind this winter : http://www.iwill.net/product_2.asp?p_id=90
    Dunno if many people are into rack server modding, but you cannot make it more ugly than it is on the outside....

    The inside can host 16 Opteron 800 cores and 128Gig of Ram, which make it pretty hot - both senses.....

    For the Network War room, what about a nice visual representation of network attacks/activity, using "The Spinning Cube of Imminent Doom" which is both impressive and easy to explain...:
    http://www.nersc.gov/nusers/security/TheSpinningCu be.php
    (maintenance of servers going on, use the cache, luke...

    Personnaly I like people that forego LCDs and such and directly use a nice and silencious video projector for general informations (say a Sanyo Z3).
    Even more if you show your skills at system management using "Doom, the Aftermath"http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom /after.html

    Yeah, follow my words, I can garantee your customers will be impressed 8)

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  31. practical yet convenient by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 1

    Old fashioned analog clocks on the wall, set for each time zone you support.

    Make 'em big, with nice labels for the timezone and names of the cities where your remote offices are.

  32. Re: What Would You Like to See in an Op Center? by syrinx · · Score: 1

    He didn't write the OpCenter books.. just put his name on them.

    Not that that excuses him.

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  33. functional art by Yonder+Way · · Score: 1

    Imagine a series of acrylic columns, each filled with water or some other fluid. Bubbles are gently percolating in each column (when all is well).

    Each column represents the network load on a given subnet.

    As the network load rises on a subnet, the intensity of the bubbles increases.

  34. Two words... by mctee155 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stripper poles

  35. what would you like to see? by BinLadenMyHero · · Score: 2, Funny

    What Would You Like to See in an Ops Center?

    Boobies?

  36. ATT Global NOC by paulywog · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Re:ATT Global NOC by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      It would be more impressive if there were people at the desks. :-)

  37. Beer fridge. by bergeron76 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seriously.

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  38. Guns... Lots of guns... by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

    And wire-fu matrix hacker-fights every half hour on the hour!

    Woah!

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  39. Good work stations by bomonguny · · Score: 1

    These are what I have in mind: http://www.poetictech.com/

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  40. Scantilly clad dancers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out the Denver Nuggets Dancers at the Cheyenne Mountain operations center. The also host cheer leaders there.

    1. Re:Scantilly clad dancers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are, in reality, Jaffa warrior women.

  41. From experience... by darnok · · Score: 1

    ...I'd say the following items really impress potential ops centre customers:
    - a dedicated viewing area; somewhere that visitors can sit/stand/watch that's glassed off from the day to day work area. If possible, with separate entrances so customers don't experience the joy of conversing with some out-of-it operator who's had to work a double shift in the outside smoking area
    - the requisite lots of screens showing pictures of systems/apps in green/yellow/red. No customer who visits an ops centre actually understands this stuff, but they'll notice if it isn't around
    - a BIG display showing a very simple view of the number of Sev 1 or Sev 2 problems. Visitors DO understand this
    - security cameras showing a very clean and tidy machine room, and maybe shots of attached car parks and external doors. This reinforces the impression that, if they go with you, their machines and data will be "safe"
    - if they're going to see real live people, make sure they're seeing a calm controlled work environment AT ALL TIMES. When disasters occur, you need to be able to drag the relevant people off to some out-of-view meeting room when you rip their heads off so potential new customers don't get to watch the bloodshed
    - no PostIt notes! Whether it's true or not, many people associate these with being disorganized, and you can't afford to appear disorganized. Use some alternative to store scribbled down bits of info

  42. etherape by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 1
    If you can afford ARP poisoning a few of your switches, etherape looks really cool and can instantly give you a better quantitative look at traffic then any graphical network monitor tool I've seen.

    http://info.biosci.ohio-state.edu/network/etherape .png

    http://etherape.sourceforge.net/images/v0.3.1.png

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  43. Why are you bullshitting your customers? by CyricZ · · Score: 1, Troll

    Why are you intentionally misleading, if not pure out bullshitting, your customers? The intelligent ones will see right through your flashing lights and other such faggotry.

    Show them a clean, functional environment. That means you don't have cables all over the place. That means your staff are well dressed, well groomed, and act with the utmost professionalism. Make sure all servers are mounted in their racks with the correct number of screws. Make sure any PC-style servers aren't badly scratched and have their cases on. Keep PC servers lined up evenly. Sweep the floor very often. Polish it, too.

    But please, don't try to awe your customers with flashing lights and spinning fans. Don't insult their intelligence so obviously. If I were shown such a fanboy facility, I would politely say, "Take me away from this shit," and I would proceed to never deal with them again.

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    1. Re:Why are you bullshitting your customers? by BestNicksRTaken · · Score: 1

      "That means your staff are well dressed, well groomed, and act with the utmost professionalism. "

      You really must be a PHB/MBA lurker, as no real Slashdotter would expect any staff to fit that description.

      Also, a suit and tie really is a crappy outfit for crawling around fixing wiring and opening PC's. That's what black jeans and T-shirts are for.

      Personally, I think big displays of lm_sensors or top stats, MRTG graphs, gkrellm/superkarama/gdesklets kinda things are going to impress on big plasmas.

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    2. Re:Why are you bullshitting your customers? by dow · · Score: 1
      Show them a clean, functional environment. That means you don't have cables all over the place. That means your staff are well dressed, well groomed, and act with the utmost professionalism. Make sure all servers are mounted in their racks with the correct number of screws. Make sure any PC-style servers aren't badly scratched and have their cases on. Keep PC servers lined up evenly. Sweep the floor very often. Polish it, too.

      Sorry but well groomed, lined up, swept to me sounds anal. I hate it when people think the most important things are the outside appearence, not whats going on inside. Some people think their own shit doesn't stink.

    3. Re:Why are you bullshitting your customers? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Sorry but well groomed, lined up, swept to me sounds anal. I hate it when people think the most important things are the outside appearence, not whats going on inside. Some people think their own shit doesn't stink."

      Then why worry how the ops center looks at all?
      Actually a clean enviroment like that would make it a more pleasant place to work as along as you don't have to do the cleaning.

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    4. Re:Why are you bullshitting your customers? by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      The intelligent ones will see right through [...] such faggotry.

      Yes! Do not leave small bundles of sticks lying around your NOC. Rural types will be comforted to see something familiar, but for ultra-super-intelligent types like the previous poster, they will be a disappointment.

  44. useful things... by js290 · · Score: 1

    Software:
    http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/
    http://www.nagios.org/

    Hardware:
    Two high resolution projectors and screens to project them on.

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  45. Modding, Functional and Asthetic by erica_ann · · Score: 1

    Personally, I think it would be sharp to have modded towers. Maybe all acrylic cases that are uv reactant
    http://www.girlgeekette.net/clear_tower.jpg

    Or have different departments that have different tower designs
    http://www.girlgeekette.net/tower.jpg

    Even modded glow from the inside keyboards
    http://www.girlgeekette.net/kb.gif

    Course it is hard to photo the towers, but they do show up in regular fluorescent lighting in a building and not just with the lights dim (The flash reflects the inside so you don't see the lights in towers)

    You can even buy the thin glow wire and outline desks, speakers and monitors with it.

    Maybe even have different colours for different departments.

    Of course, all the monitors would have to be the lcd flat screens. And try running R4 as a screensaver type when not in use. (load the program on the computers not active)
    http://www.rabidhamster.org/R4/screenshot.php

    All of that is eye candy though. Aesthetics would also show proper ergonomic height of desks, cables neat and orderly - use panduit - not just lying on floor or duct tape over, hanging from ceiling.

    Wireless keyboards and mice so no cords everywhere for those.

    Functional, Sharp and Orderly.

  46. A tip jar by Thatto · · Score: 1

    Why not? Unprofessinal yes... but in my experience the NOC is under appriciated.

  47. CVT! by Zaffle · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Continuously variable transmission rocks. The car alters the torque as you accelerate, this leads to massive improvements in fuel efficency.

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  48. functional art-Coffeepot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As the network load rises on a subnet, the intensity of the bubbles increases."*

    Slashdot should make it look like a hyperactive coffeepot.

    *$25 to Taco, and he can arrange for there to be a slashdotting every time you have a tour.

  49. Das Blinkenlights-Classy Chassis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Absolutely! Most server racks these days are booooring."

    Maybe they should take a cue from fine audio equipment manufacturers. Elegent and understated.

  50. A big "scoreboard" using bright plasma displays by toybuilder · · Score: 1

    There should be a scoreboard that is always displaying major stats... Like the stock market ticker tape that you see at the brokerage firms... Visually appealing AND useful. Well, as long as there isn't a board full of red stats!

  51. All you need: by dhaines · · Score: 1

    A giant 2-pole blade switch.
    Jacob's ladder and/or plasma sphere.
    Enormous red button with yellow stripes.
    Sharks. With frickin' laser beams.

  52. You need this: by sakusha · · Score: 1

    You need something like the Ergotron Lan Organizer 3000

    http://www.ergotron.com/3_products/furniture/lan_o rganizer/default.asp

    Plus a big multiscreen LCD like this:

    http://www.ergotron.com/4_markets/financial/defaul t.asp

    Then you can really impress people, they'll think they're in Enron's fake War Room!

  53. A real big status screen by davecb · · Score: 1

    The old tkined program can put up a very big,
    very detailed connectivity map via a cheap
    LCD projector.

    That's both visually attractive, and useful,
    as it spots blown machines and links
    relatively quickly, as longas you keep
    the tests low-cost (ping, SNMP gets, etc)

    --dave

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    1. Re:A real big status screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www-public.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~ritterd/w argames/war1.jpg

      See that sign up here - up here. "Defcon." That indicates our current defense condition. It should read "Defcon 5," which means peace. It's still on 4 because of that little stunt you pulled. Actually, if we hadn't caught it in time, it might have gone to Defcon 1. You know what that means, David?

  54. eye candy by FLOOBYDUST · · Score: 1

    Cute ladies.

    1. Re:eye candy by JhohannaVH · · Score: 1

      Ya know... I love eye candy and all... But I *swear* that I'm the only relatively pretty geek that could be considered a pretty lady. How many pretty girl geeks have you seen lately? Unless, of course, they aren't there to do any work. And at that point, that's really freakin' sexist! :P
      Jho

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  55. Glassed Conference Room by AdamInParadise · · Score: 1

    I did an internship for a large network operator, and at one time I was able to visit their NOC. Basically, they never allow customers or visitors in there (but foreign interns are...). However, the NOC was adjacent to a large conference room, only separated by a glass wall.

    Otherwise the design of the NOC itself was pretty standard. Lots of big screens, a wall of projectors and professional-looking operators. Think NASA's launches, only with style.

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  56. Antiques by bluGill · · Score: 1

    Find some antique computer gear, and make it work. 9 track tapes, paper terminals that sit on the floor and are filled with real tubes. Not many, but they look impressive in a "we never throw anything away" way. (This can be good to show bankers as they don't like waste) Seeing (and hearing!) the auto-loader on a 9-track reel to reel tape is impressive. Put Adventure on the paper terminal.

    Of course you do your work on modern computers, but sometimes it is fun to work on machines older than you are.

  57. Marketing Question by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    This seems like a marketing question, not a technical one, since the primary consumer of the visuals is the potential customer who will only be glancing at it.

    So, there's very little need for detailed statistics up on the screen.

    You want to show them you're "realtime" and "proactive".

    Put CNN up on a plasma, along with the Internet Weather Report. If there's a hurricane coming through make sure the strike probability maps are up.

    For some useful real-time data, you might want to layout your network on Intermapper and have the realtime network traffic animations visible. Very impressive.

    But overall you're selling emotion, not data.

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  58. He might be bulshitting other partners instead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I know a company that got custom black plastic with blue LEDs (back in '99 when blue LEDs were considered cool) for their data center of whitebox servers just before raising $35 million from Venture Capital.

    One guy from their finance group jokes that it was expensive, but still the highest return investment they ever made.

  59. Giant Lite-Brite by awtbfb · · Score: 1

    You need a giant Lite-Brite. Here is an example.

    Build a matrix showing servers vs services and have an intern run around changing the Greens to Reds in real time.

  60. LED corporate logo that doubles as a status board by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Put up a 2-color LED array with your corporate logo in green, and map some or all of the LEDs to a particular thing you are monitoring.

    When something fails or needs attention, change the corrosponding LED from green to red or yellow.

    At any given time, your logo will be 99% green, with a smattering of yellows and reds.

    Of course, this will be all for show, the actual failure-indicators will be the same ones you use today.

    Hmm, this sounds like a good project for an intern to work on :)

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  61. did I say 2-color? by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I meant two, where two = 1+1+1 :)

    Sorry, forgot to proofread. Hand me the dunce cap for the day.

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  62. big flashy stuff is dumb by testosterone · · Score: 0

    But probably necessary.

    For example, Openview with a big map of the network looks cool and all, but it sucks to manage.

    Networks are managed by events, not by maps.

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  63. OT: Why do you need a body to fix traffic lights? by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

    Finally someone might know this.
    After a power failure or something, traffic lights blinks the red stop lights.
    It takes *hours* for a body to get there, open the yellow panel, and push a button. Why?

    Why can't this be done from that, err, Ops Center?

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  64. Re:OT: Why do you need a body to fix traffic light by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

    Damn!
    This is what happens when you reads TFA too quick.

    Sorry please ignore my goof.

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  65. Cool (affordable) data center ideas by RackGuy · · Score: 1

    We have had great success with creating affordable, and usefull data center designs. We can make cabinets that used shared uprights for cost effectiveness, accent rime (copper, stainless steel) parts, customer logos, cool environmental monitoring systems and cable management is always important for a good looking data center. A small NOC center is also desirable. Let me know if I can help with any of these things, I design cabinets and I'm always looking for creative people to work with on new projects mikem@inracks.com

  66. As your biggest customer, the old engineer by anticypher · · Score: 1

    I'm the guy you'll want to impress the most. I decide which data centres are best for my clients to put their equipment and services. I've built ops centres, so I know what goes in them. If you can't impress the extreme techies who will visit, your company is dead. We will not just avoid you, but will divert as much business away from you as possible. You need to make sure TPTB understand an ops centre is a functional business tool first, and a PR tool second.

    An ops centre is first and foremost a place for humans to work, it is not a machine room, a laboratory, nor a visitors centre. It must be climate controlled for humans, not machines. It has to be quiet, neat, clean, and comfortable. It also has to be functional. If it doesn't meet all of these mandatory requirements, there is a problem. If the problem is lack of understanding of human nature by PHBs and bean counters, then this will extend to the rest of the infrastructure, and should be avoided.

    Lets start with the non-technical bits. Assuming the ops centre will be staffed 24/24, there needs to be a break area immediately adjacent. A kitchen with a big refrigerator, a sink and a dishwasher, real dishes and cutlery, a good microwave. There must be food and drink vending machines at hand. The must be some tables and chairs so people aren't forced to eat at their work stations, and there needs to be a sofa or two, long enough people can stretch out and take a nap. There must be clean modern bathrooms just for the ops staff. The ops centre itself needs to be heated/air conditioned so that it is always comfortable and people can come in from outside, shed their heavy winter clothing, and work in casual t-shirt style. There should be a minimum of fan noise from equipment, enclosures and silent-PC tech should be used wherever possible. If there are windows, there should be adjustable blinds/shades in case of hot sunny days. The ops centre itself needs to be kept clean and tidy. Surfaces should be cleaned on a daily basis, cables should all be hidden away (and labled for easy maintenance). There should be some greenery, and the work areas should not be sterile of personal touches. I expect to see Dilbert and UserFriendly strips taped up, small figurines on monitors, nerf toys, and anything else within reason for keeping the techies relaxed and happy.

    For the technical bits, I expect to see modern monitoring software. Cacti, Nagios, HP OpenView, BMC Patrol, custom built web monitoring tools to expose the current state of every part of your company. I expect to see at least two screens at every work station, one for monitoring/control and one for business functions like email, web, irc/IM, listening to podcasts or online radio stations. Techs need to be connected to do their jobs, and it shouldn't interfere with the monitoring functions. Googling bizarre error messages should be considered a normal business practice.

    For a layout, it depends on what what your size is, the number of people working simultaneously, and the type of work people do. Large companies covering many regions or the whole world tend to have a layout like the bridge of the Enterprise, with a director in a big swivel chair in the middle, with about three consoles at hand running the MoMs (Manager of Managers, a consolidation function). There will then be groups of work stations around the central point, each cluster for a main function. In the background, on the walls, will be some big screen monitors with useful information, and usually a large schematic of the whole company's operations with red/yellow/green status indicators. Most large sites have a large screen TV tucked in the corner with CNN on the main, and a picture-in-picture tuned to the local news station.

    Smaller centres tend to have just a large office area with low cubicles around the edges with everyone facing the same direction. At the far end of the room will be a few large, flat-screen monitors showing overall stats. Everyone has their own little work area, but can communicate with others easily enoug

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  67. Clocks With Correct Time (Synched) by sciop101 · · Score: 0

    Our NOC had 5 clock, battery driven (not synchronized). The NOC manager would have the shift manager adjust the time on each every weekday, but never have AA batteries when needed.

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  68. And finally... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    you have to have a strange *guru* appearing sometimes, who never ever wears stuff like shoes, socks, ties, dresses, stuff like that, has a huge beard, and looks loke he knows about every screw and wire in the whole center.

    Then the other poeple can tell stories and anecdotes about him and throw in some mysterious stuff...

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