1. Would you switch to Linux if PhotoShop were available natively for it (it does run under Crossover office).
2. If so, have you e-mailed or even sent a letter to Adobe?
Seems that quite a number of people want to use Linux, but see some issues, especially some apps missing, yet is that as far as they go? The next step will accelerate things should the companies see the demand increase.
YaST is now open source and imho is the best tool out there that could make possibly make this argument go away. Really wish most other distro's would put their collective weight behind it.
"No current Linux technology immitates this. There is no way I can currently download a self-executing shellscript wrapper or otherwise binary program that will install either system-wide or to ~/bin/$appname, with care taken to provide its own libraries, and giving me an easy link so I can remove the application folder, the installed support libraries, and any config files separately."
Oh I agree, Loki installer is nothing like you're looking for.
"Different tools for different jobs. Use Linux if you want to be an uber-1337 power user. Use Windows if you just want to check your mail and surf porn."
This is so far off as to be laughable. Linux is perfect for those that just want to surf the web and check e-mail. If that is all the person does then Windows is a waste.
"Virtual desktops is a horrible way to manage windows which is why Apple created Expose and why MS is implimenting similar tech into Longhorn. Wake me up when the UNIX developers design something more intelligent than virtual desktops, which by the way was a long long time ago. I ask, what have they done since? Nothing. "What have you done for me lately" is playing in the background, can you hear it?"
Need to get the basics right before you go off innovating imho. Anyway, if you make something so unique and different you will complain anyway because it so different.
1. Wait awhile longer, until distro's start saying that the command line is dead:). Actually you can get a lot done without having to use it anymore, I expect this trend to continue.
2. Different distro's use different tools and layouts, may I suggest trying the SuSE 9.1 Live CD? That way you don't have to re-install everying and get a feel for it. Think of it as a demo:).
3. Why did the LAN take so long to fix up? Takes me seconds to type in the relevant info.
Yeah this part sucks, but I would really hope you would tell the gaming companies that you would rather have native Linux games. I see so many complaints from so many different people about the lack of native games that they have to use Windows, yet they rarely tell the game companies of their preference and that Winex/Cadega may not be the way they want to go.
"My Kodak doesn't work in Linux. I plugged it into XP and it worked. Hmm. That didn't come preinstalled as I just bought it in December."
My Agfa is not working with the latest gphoto as they never ported over its code over from gphoto 1. Its an Agfa 780C.
"The example I will continue to use is http://slashdot.org/. When it stops forcing a refresh to fix the sidebar then I will believe Firefox is "acceptable". It's amazing how many Firefox zealots ignore this with a brush off. General Windows users will not."
Not getting this problem, really not. Using version 0.9.2 and just tried FireFox on slashdot.org. Not getting any fresh on the sidebar, and the sidebar looks fine here.
"And again, you are dealing with people magnatudes higher in computer literacy apparently."
Instead of brushing Linux as being at fault, try to track down the issue. Maybe is the distro, or some older packages.
"If you run RedHat 9.0, then you need to set this. If you run Slackware 0.01, then you need to do this."
My experience with Loki installer is that this tends be much less of an issue, Nwn 1 did not make use of this tool and in my opinion created some of the issues with nwn1 Linux.
The biggest issue overall is the end user like on any platform, ie do they have 3D acceleration enabled etc.
Yes he does these bills quite often, hence they get posted on Slashdot quite often. Its much better to have it out and open before he gets it possibly past, rather than have to deal with the ramifications afterwoods
"So, after a month or so, my credit card company made the credit permanent, and I never had to pay for the scammed Tivo. I never did find out what happened to the scammer, but I presume the credit card company took my money out of paypal's hide, and they will either ultimately take it out of the scammer's hide, or else change their policy to require more accountability information up front from sellers."
Only thing that will make PayPal change its policy in my opinion, is a Lawsuit. For every one of you there is probably quite a number of others who would not have known what to do...So PayPal would have gotten away with it.
"Mac OS X, on the other hand, is terrifically easy to use. Want an alternative to Windows that most people can use? Mac OS X is the only game in town."
Of course, if they are willing to shell out the extra $$ for it...Even then if you're talking real neophyte any computer is not easy to use, especially if they think of it in terms of a microwave.
"Way, way, way, way too many packages that aren't available through the distro's repositories themselves. There's only about a dozen RPM repositories for Fedora Core to chase various packages down from. This is the one biggest thing that makes me dump SuSE every time and head back to Gentoo. Instead of Pacman and usr-local-bin and etc. etc. etc., would it really be so hard to have a "contributed" repository maintained by SuSE (and "known" to YaST at install time), where these places (and god knows what others) just submit their packages to? Virtually everything I can imagine, I could get through Portage in Gentoo. Why can't the "big" distros have their prebuilt package repositories be similarly comprehensive? It was such a task for one of my buddies to get/install divx4linux - all the guy wanted to do was watch a little pr0n on his fresh Linux install! Even though it's not that hard, nobody should *have* to fall back on tarballs and./configure / make / make install. DUMB"
Take it you let them know?
http://www.suse.com/cgi-bin/feedback.cgi
SuSE 9.1, imho was probably the last full SuSE release, I am really looking for more input from Novell. Oh and they do know quite a few of the shortcomings, but its worthwhile letting them know what you find annoying or lacking too, don't *assume* that they know.
Very narrow minded that this has anything *just* to do with the *one* MS patent, there probably hundreds of other patents, including ones non-software based, that might just show up as being before its time in the 19th Century. Of course, no-one knows...But you do not either, unless you have access to all this material and have searched through all the patents to have come to a different conclusion.
Re:you will pry debian out of my cold dead hands .
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Their problem with SuSE is that its not Debian.
Think that sums it up.
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Same old bad information. Yast will not overwrite your configuration files and yes you can easily spend many hours hand editing files as you please. But, its best to learn the system.
As for additional servers, they have plenty enough now.
"- It doesn't work for advanced Excel (read: The Finance Department). "
A small company with a Finance Department? Do they have marketing departments too?
Seriously though, what constitutes a small company? To me its too small to have any real departmental structures, finance is done by the owner as is a sundry of other tasks...
"- Support options are limited (read: DIY in a small company with limited/nonexistent IT resources to begin with)."
Yes and they don't want to call MSFT either for the dollars they charge, or have to rely on 3rd party to come out that often.
"- It takes as much as 10 seconds longer to open big docs sent in Office format (read: anything sent to you most people outside the company). "
That could be a nailbiting problem, 10 seconds can easily seem like an eternity.
"And, let's overlook Outlook in the comparison. (Evolution, Thunderbird, et. al. do not offer the same functionality)"
Evolution is not part of OpenOffice, nor any of the other ones. Again though small businesses have different demands tend to be much *smaller* than medium to large businesses and may not need all those bells and whistles that Outlook can offer.
"Oh, and feel free to mod me into oblivion for taking a controversial (for/.'ers) stance."
Nah, nice arguments. Although pointed out my experience in small businesses. Biggest reason MSFT will not port Office to Linux is because people will have much more of a reason to switch, unless the port is botched:). Apple are a little more expensive and don't directly threaten MS like Linux does.
You can on SuSE. Click on an RPM, root password asked for (which is important, Mac OS X does this, at first new people wonder why, but once they find out its a protective most are OK with it in my experience), yast then installs app.
KDE has an RPM installer that does something similar.
In all honesty, at the moment I do not think a newbie should install KDE3.2 or any other WM as the discrepancies between releases can lead to some interesting times. Also, when you get KDE 3.2 which has been incorporated into the distro it tends to "fit in" better.
Slashdot Mirror
Some questions:
1. Would you switch to Linux if PhotoShop were available natively for it (it does run under Crossover office).
2. If so, have you e-mailed or even sent a letter to Adobe?
Seems that quite a number of people want to use Linux, but see some issues, especially some apps missing, yet is that as far as they go? The next step will accelerate things should the companies see the demand increase.
YaST is now open source and imho is the best tool out there that could make possibly make this argument go away. Really wish most other distro's would put their collective weight behind it.
"No current Linux technology immitates this. There is no way I can currently download a self-executing shellscript wrapper or otherwise binary program that will install either system-wide or to ~/bin/$appname, with care taken to provide its own libraries, and giving me an easy link so I can remove the application folder, the installed support libraries, and any config files separately."
Oh I agree, Loki installer is nothing like you're looking for.
Why were you compiling a new kernel? Was it for the Radeon?
"Different tools for different jobs. Use Linux if you want to be an uber-1337 power user. Use Windows if you just want to check your mail and surf porn."
This is so far off as to be laughable. Linux is perfect for those that just want to surf the web and check e-mail. If that is all the person does then Windows is a waste.
"Virtual desktops is a horrible way to manage windows which is why Apple created Expose and why MS is implimenting similar tech into Longhorn. Wake me up when the UNIX developers design something more intelligent than virtual desktops, which by the way was a long long time ago. I ask, what have they done since? Nothing. "What have you done for me lately" is playing in the background, can you hear it?"
Need to get the basics right before you go off innovating imho. Anyway, if you make something so unique and different you will complain anyway because it so different.
1. Wait awhile longer, until distro's start saying that the command line is dead :). Actually you can get a lot done without having to use it anymore, I expect this trend to continue.
:).
2. Different distro's use different tools and layouts, may I suggest trying the SuSE 9.1 Live CD? That way you don't have to re-install everying and get a feel for it. Think of it as a demo
3. Why did the LAN take so long to fix up? Takes me seconds to type in the relevant info.
Yeah this part sucks, but I would really hope you would tell the gaming companies that you would rather have native Linux games. I see so many complaints from so many different people about the lack of native games that they have to use Windows, yet they rarely tell the game companies of their preference and that Winex/Cadega may not be the way they want to go.
"My Kodak doesn't work in Linux. I plugged it into XP and it worked. Hmm. That didn't come preinstalled as I just bought it in December."
My Agfa is not working with the latest gphoto as they never ported over its code over from gphoto 1. Its an Agfa 780C.
"The example I will continue to use is http://slashdot.org/. When it stops forcing a refresh to fix the sidebar then I will believe Firefox is "acceptable". It's amazing how many Firefox zealots ignore this with a brush off. General Windows users will not."
Not getting this problem, really not. Using version 0.9.2 and just tried FireFox on slashdot.org. Not getting any fresh on the sidebar, and the sidebar looks fine here.
"And again, you are dealing with people magnatudes higher in computer literacy apparently."
Instead of brushing Linux as being at fault, try to track down the issue. Maybe is the distro, or some older packages.
"If you run RedHat 9.0, then you need to set this.
If you run Slackware 0.01, then you need to do this."
My experience with Loki installer is that this tends be much less of an issue, Nwn 1 did not make use of this tool and in my opinion created some of the issues with nwn1 Linux.
The biggest issue overall is the end user like on any platform, ie do they have 3D acceleration enabled etc.
StarTux
Yes he does these bills quite often, hence they get posted on Slashdot quite often. Its much better to have it out and open before he gets it possibly past, rather than have to deal with the ramifications afterwoods
"So, after a month or so, my credit card company made the credit permanent, and I never had to pay for the scammed Tivo. I never did find out what happened to the scammer, but I presume the credit card company took my money out of paypal's hide, and they will either ultimately take it out of the scammer's hide, or else change their policy to require more accountability information up front from sellers."
Only thing that will make PayPal change its policy in my opinion, is a Lawsuit. For every one of you there is probably quite a number of others who would not have known what to do...So PayPal would have gotten away with it.
"Mac OS X, on the other hand, is terrifically easy to use. Want an alternative to Windows that most people can use? Mac OS X is the only game in town."
Of course, if they are willing to shell out the extra $$ for it...Even then if you're talking real neophyte any computer is not easy to use, especially if they think of it in terms of a microwave.
"Way, way, way, way too many packages that aren't available through the distro's repositories themselves. There's only about a dozen RPM repositories for Fedora Core to chase various packages down from. This is the one biggest thing that makes me dump SuSE every time and head back to Gentoo. Instead of Pacman and usr-local-bin and etc. etc. etc., would it really be so hard to have a "contributed" repository maintained by SuSE (and "known" to YaST at install time), where these places (and god knows what others) just submit their packages to? Virtually everything I can imagine, I could get through Portage in Gentoo. Why can't the "big" distros have their prebuilt package repositories be similarly comprehensive? It was such a task for one of my buddies to get/install divx4linux - all the guy wanted to do was watch a little pr0n on his fresh Linux install! Even though it's not that hard, nobody should *have* to fall back on tarballs and ./configure / make / make install. DUMB"
Take it you let them know?
http://www.suse.com/cgi-bin/feedback.cgi
SuSE 9.1, imho was probably the last full SuSE release, I am really looking for more input from Novell. Oh and they do know quite a few of the shortcomings, but its worthwhile letting them know what you find annoying or lacking too, don't *assume* that they know.
Maybe this is a way for Microsoft fans to get their favorite browser, IE, to be updated?
Guess there is no chance that MS would ditch IE and use FireFox instead huh?
Very narrow minded that this has anything *just* to do with the *one* MS patent, there probably hundreds of other patents, including ones non-software based, that might just show up as being before its time in the 19th Century. Of course, no-one knows...But you do not either, unless you have access to all this material and have searched through all the patents to have come to a different conclusion.
Will all this information help with any prior art stuff?
"Do you really think Tux belongs in a coop?"
Well he is afterall a Bird...
Their problem with SuSE is that its not Debian.
Think that sums it up.
Same old bad information. Yast will not overwrite your configuration files and yes you can easily spend many hours hand editing files as you please. But, its best to learn the system.
As for additional servers, they have plenty enough now.
Linux-Sulpher batteries unveiled...
SuSE have been releasing Live CD ISO's since at least 2000, actually before Knoppix came to the scene.
Really nothing new here, apart from maybe more people paying attention.
StarTux
"- It doesn't work for advanced Excel (read: The Finance Department). "
/.'ers) stance."
:). Apple are a little more expensive and don't directly threaten MS like Linux does.
A small company with a Finance Department? Do they have marketing departments too?
Seriously though, what constitutes a small company? To me its too small to have any real departmental structures, finance is done by the owner as is a sundry of other tasks...
"- Support options are limited (read: DIY in a small company with limited/nonexistent IT resources to begin with)."
Yes and they don't want to call MSFT either for the dollars they charge, or have to rely on 3rd party to come out that often.
"- It takes as much as 10 seconds longer to open big docs sent in Office format (read: anything sent to you most people outside the company). "
That could be a nailbiting problem, 10 seconds can easily seem like an eternity.
"And, let's overlook Outlook in the comparison. (Evolution, Thunderbird, et. al. do not offer the same functionality)"
Evolution is not part of OpenOffice, nor any of the other ones. Again though small businesses have different demands tend to be much *smaller* than medium to large businesses and may not need all those bells and whistles that Outlook can offer.
"Oh, and feel free to mod me into oblivion for taking a controversial (for
Nah, nice arguments. Although pointed out my experience in small businesses. Biggest reason MSFT will not port Office to Linux is because people will have much more of a reason to switch, unless the port is botched
They should switch to Yast imho...
You can on SuSE. Click on an RPM, root password asked for (which is important, Mac OS X does this, at first new people wonder why, but once they find out its a protective most are OK with it in my experience), yast then installs app.
KDE has an RPM installer that does something similar.
In all honesty, at the moment I do not think a newbie should install KDE3.2 or any other WM as the discrepancies between releases can lead to some interesting times. Also, when you get KDE 3.2 which has been incorporated into the distro it tends to "fit in" better.