Fine - they are unrealiable: we are keeping the Japanese cars tho."
Hehe.
"> The jet engines from your aircraft (invented by Sir Frank Whittle in Britain in 1945)
You can have the prototypes the he never managed to get working - took the Germans to do that, and the US to perfect them. "
Actually, both got some facts wrong, Whittle did not invent the jet engine in 1945 and Germany did not "perfect" it:
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blj et engine.htm
The Me262, the first operational jet fighter had much less reliable engines than the British fighter (somewhere around 100 hours before overhaul). Oh, by the way for quite sometime the most advanced and wildly used passenger jet engine was the RR RB211's...But, the most significant steps came with sharing information, just ask the Russians:).
"> All your nuclear weapons and X-Ray machines (since radioactivity was discovered by the French Marie Curie in the 19th century)
Yeah she really did a bang up job with that, eh? "
Indeed, she glowed with that success for quite some time afterwords.
"> The ideas that the Wright Brothers stole from Leonardo Da Vinci (Italian)
OK here you have me - the wearable bat suits and cork screw helicopters powered by men walking around in circles are all yours."
Haha, well there have been many others in between Da Vinci and the Wright brothers. Really though, who gives a crap about the Wright brothers? May have been the first, but were also one of the most sue happy companies in there day. Look what it got them:).
Quite a few people seem to hate SuSEconfig changing what they had manually changed, check here:/etc/sysconfig/suseconfig
You'll notice this:
"## Path: System/SuSEconfig ## Description: ## Type: yesno ## Default: yes # # Some people don't want SuSEconfig to modify the system. With this # entry you can disable SuSEconfig completely. # Please don't contact our support if you have trouble configuring your # system after having disabled SuSEconfig. (yes/no) # ENABLE_SUSECONFIG="yes""
Set that to no then, saves the trouble in switching over to a completely different distro. Whilst you're at it, check the other files in that directory.
"The problem is SuSE and distros like it are NOT suited for you. You sound like someone who wants to do everything themself. Try slack, gentoo or arx, not SuSE. Use the CLI, it sounds like what you want and need. Or, as an alternative, a version of YaST that has various levels of interaction, like simple, moderate or expert."
Not really, he just needs to know more about the tool at hand, how to switch it off would be a good start.
How to switch SuSEconfig off (which is the one doing the changes).
manually edit/etc/sysconfig/susconfig and change the line here:
"## Path: System/SuSEconfig ## Description: ## Type: yesno ## Default: yes # # Some people don't want SuSEconfig to modify the system. With this # entry you can disable SuSEconfig completely. # Please don't contact our support if you have trouble configuring your # system after having disabled SuSEconfig. (yes/no) # ENABLE_SUSECONFIG="yes""
You see the problem is people do not take the time to check or ask questions, just assume. By the way, in that file is a ton more options.
Don't know if anyone has actually developed 3rd party modules for Yast, but it seems very possible. Would that mean IBM for instance could place in an administration module into Yast and make it publically available? Was this actually possible before going GPL?
Whilst it removes the main gripe people had about SuSE (the second being ISO's, beyond the live CD) what will this change? I don't see Mandrake, or Redhat ever switching to Yast, why would they?
When you get a new system, please learn how to use it. If something annoys you, find a way to switch it off, or change its behavior.
Actually, if you change a file directly SuSEconfig can tell that has happened and will not touch it in virtually every case that I did that. But, the best approach is to edit/etc/sysconfig files directly, you'll love how it streamlines things. That way you will have more time for other things.
Why do people insist things are great for newbs when it makes ones life easier, and makes it quicker to get to the point where you want to be. Why should I spend two hours setting up a TV card manually in/etc/modules.conf for instance, just to watch TV on my Linux box?
"Disclaimer: This is only my experiencew with SuSE. Yours may differ.
I bought SuSE 9.0 and tried it a few months ago, and must say I didn't particularly care for it.
While they are definately producing one of the most polished distro's available, it deviates from most linux distributions somewhat dramatically; I still don't know how exactly the init system works. (It's not exactly SysV, it's not exactly BSD). "
Got to disagree most vehemently here, its the other distro's that are deviating from the LSB and FHS that are causing you issues. As for init processes, thats the one defined by the LSB (and the same used by RedHat).
"When I used it I had a problem in which it repeatedly would launch the X configurator if I had dual-head enabled. I don't know if that was just me or not."
Never had that issue...
"Everything is tightly integrated in SuSE -- the KDE desktop is pretty amazing, but GNOME support is almost non-existant. Unfortunately, I found the KDE desktop to be pretty slow on my machine (P3 800mhz machine. Slackware with KDE3.1 runs great on it)."
Slackware is assume:). Gnome is there on 9.0, but we're talking about 9.1 and this time it seems a greater emphasis on Gnome too.
"I also found that you HAD to do things SuSE's way -- if there wasn't a button for it in YaST, the SuSE configurator (and generally, there was.. YaST is probably the most comprehensive config tool for Linux), or YaST didn't give you all the options you needed, you couldn't do it yourself because YaST would stomp all over your changes. "
Switch it off then! You can tell Yast not to check or change certain files. Or you can rtfm and know that, like in Apache's case it can usea n external file for certain parameters.
"SuSE is also the most proprietary of Linuxes, and there's not alot of support for it online (again, you can't just update say, package X from a source tarball because SuSE will throw a fit). "
Its usually a dependency fit, and anyway...Depending on the package I tend to uninstall it first then install the update. This has never been an issue.
"It's probably not bad for novice and intermediate computer users; I'd reccomend that experienced users who want a pretty desktop with little hassle use Mandrake."
Bad recommendation, whilst Mandrake is fine SuSE offers many great tools and support that you failed to find or use. Seems like you installed it for a day, expected Slackware (it was originally based on Slackware) and did not bother from there.
Go through the Enterprise first:). When parents are shopping to buy a computer for Johnny's school work, Linux maybe impressive to them due to the current lack of games.
Of course, once market share picked up games will start appearing more and more.
Really do not see the point of making a gaming distro, like Mandrake did.
So many posters mentioned standards without elaborating. You mean FHS, LSB?
That answer someone provided you confused me as well lol. Seemed to do with nothing about your question.
Don't use./configure until you're a lot more comfortable with the command line and I rarely use it apart from installing bleeding edge programs.
KDE has Control Center that has Peripherals that also lists mouse, this is where you can change the mouse tracking speed, make sure to hit apply after each change.
You say your soundcard worked, then say it didn't in the next section as you wanted to install the correct driver?
Are you sure you're not running to the commandline quicker than needed?
Not sure on Mandrake, but most root installed programs end up in/usr/local/ that are built from Source. Quite a few times installing from source requires a few more development packages to be installed.
Sometimes you're better off getting Linux as a box set, at least with SuSE you'd get plenty of manuals that show how to use programs and to do installations, the price alone is almost worth it for the manuals alone.
Hatred of Microsoft? Think they already do hate them, at least thats the impression I get from MacroMedia, but what can they do?
Microsoft is like an Emperor right now, people fear them but with fear comes hate. Should there market falter too much the knives will come out...
All these news stories about MS and there business dealings, particularly concerning SCO are going to make quite a few marginal people rabid hater's of MSFT.
"95% of people have an ingrained resistance to killing other people. You have to artificially condition them to get them to shoot at people. Until this was acknowledged after WWII, only about 10% of soldiers actually shot their guns at the ennemy. Modern military (infantry) training is intended to counter that ingrained resistance, and is pretty successful at it - in VietNam, the "shooting rate" was over 90%."
Killing another is an un-natural act for sure, but its more easily overcome in people younger than about 25 in general (yes generalising). Was not acknowledged after WW2? Disagree with that, just look at the Roman army, they did far worse things than any US army has ever done to the enemy. The source you're referring to only acknowledge WW2 onwards and from an entirely US perspective. Also, 90% shoot rate? The US changed from an army of sharp shooters to one of "spray in a general direction of the enemy". How many soldiers from Korea onwards actually saw the enemy they were firing at?
"That's why Western-trained troops regularly trash opponents with similar equipment but different training: a Western-trained 30-man platoon will typically have 27 shooters, while its opponent will most likely have only 3 or 4, giving the Westerners an actual 9:1 fire superiority every other thing being equal."
Logic is flawed here:
1. Shooters: are they actually shooting an enemy they can see? Or shooting into an area where they think the enemy is? Or been told to fire at?
2. Talking about different training, you're either conscripted into an army/war you don't care about, or trained to kill as part of a professional force. No western army has truly been tested against a professional army since at least WW2 (and to some extent Korea and Vietnam).
3. To say its just trashing the enemy leaves out much of what makes a professional army what it is.
"Some games (eg, Doom and its offsprings) operate in a similar fashion to military training/indoctrination, but without the control features inherent to military training, and are thereby dangerous."
You really want to learn the difference that seemed glossed over? Join a real Infantry Battalion as a grunt, not as an officer and see first hand how they break you down first then re-model them into killing machines. Thats something no game can simulate.
Killology is a nice site, but they do at times seem to skim over many points, such as what they mean exactly by shoot rate? Are you counted just by picking up a weapon and firing it? Or by actually seeing the enemy and shooting him? Snipers obviously have to, ever known a real sniper who has been to war? I did, knew him before joining army, during army and during conflict and directly after. Took him a number of years to be less "psycho".
If Darl is Catholic maybe he will do something like this?
"Dear Pope,
Being the CEO of SCO, a Holy Company on a Holy Crusade against the Evil forces of Linux and the GPL can you please ask God to strike them down. Knowing these things can take time, can you please publically ex-communicate these Hippies from the Church".
"I can't quite agree with Apple's support being particularly helpful.
Apple's been making a huge push to get businesses (outside of visual design and their other niche markets) to use their products, and I bought into it and recently purchased a 17" PowerBook G4 laptop to use for my consulting work. Since I purchased it (about four months ago,) it has failed twice, necessitating a mainboard replacement each time. However, Apple has no provision for on-site or even at-the-store replacement of notebook parts, so the machine has to be shipped back to a depot for repairs. This process takes at least five days if everything goes perfectly. Five days without my primary business machine is a lot of money gone, plus delays foisted off onto unhappy clients. When I called Apple, they were unable to amelioriate the situation in any fashion (for instance, by providing me with a notebook to use in the meantime,) nor would they consider replacing the unit, despite two complete failures in two months, and they were quite snippy about it to boot."
As previously mentioned, if its not written anywhere that they have a lend-a-computer whilst yours gets fixed then its not there. Do not blame the support people for that because quite frankly they cannot do anything about it. But I am sure they can take down your complaint and it will probably be read by those in management.
"If I had purchased from Dell or Sony, I could have had a repaired or new computer in one or two days. At this point, I'm considering the notebook expendable, and if it breaks again, I'm going to purchase one from a company that can provide business-class support."
When you make a purchase from any company go ahead and ask the questions before hand, maybe even more than once. If you had you would have known what to expect should the computer fail. and can plan accordingly.
This is the same as those people who do not keep backups of critical data, when it fails and the ata is lost they shift the blame around.
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"- All your BMW and Mercedes cars
j et engine.htm
:).
:).
Fine - they are unrealiable: we are keeping the Japanese cars tho."
Hehe.
"> The jet engines from your aircraft (invented by Sir Frank Whittle in Britain in 1945)
You can have the prototypes the he never managed to get working - took the Germans to do that, and the US to perfect them.
"
Actually, both got some facts wrong, Whittle did not invent the jet engine in 1945 and Germany did not "perfect" it:
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl
The Me262, the first operational jet fighter had much less reliable engines than the British fighter (somewhere around 100 hours before overhaul). Oh, by the way for quite sometime the most advanced and wildly used passenger jet engine was the RR RB211's...But, the most significant steps came with sharing information, just ask the Russians
"> All your nuclear weapons and X-Ray machines (since radioactivity was discovered by the French Marie Curie in the 19th century)
Yeah she really did a bang up job with that, eh?
"
Indeed, she glowed with that success for quite some time afterwords.
"> The ideas that the Wright Brothers stole from Leonardo Da Vinci (Italian)
OK here you have me - the wearable bat suits and cork screw helicopters powered by men walking around in circles are all yours."
Haha, well there have been many others in between Da Vinci and the Wright brothers. Really though, who gives a crap about the Wright brothers? May have been the first, but were also one of the most sue happy companies in there day. Look what it got them
Quite a few people seem to hate SuSEconfig changing what they had manually changed, check here: /etc/sysconfig/suseconfig
You'll notice this:
"## Path: System/SuSEconfig
## Description:
## Type: yesno
## Default: yes
#
# Some people don't want SuSEconfig to modify the system. With this
# entry you can disable SuSEconfig completely.
# Please don't contact our support if you have trouble configuring your
# system after having disabled SuSEconfig. (yes/no)
#
ENABLE_SUSECONFIG="yes""
Set that to no then, saves the trouble in switching over to a completely different distro. Whilst you're at it, check the other files in that directory.
"The problem is SuSE and distros like it are NOT suited for you. You sound like someone who wants to do everything themself. Try slack, gentoo or arx, not SuSE. Use the CLI, it sounds like what you want and need. Or, as an alternative, a version of YaST that has various levels of interaction, like simple, moderate or expert."
/etc/sysconfig/susconfig and change the line here:
Not really, he just needs to know more about the tool at hand, how to switch it off would be a good start.
How to switch SuSEconfig off (which is the one doing the changes).
manually edit
"## Path: System/SuSEconfig
## Description:
## Type: yesno
## Default: yes
#
# Some people don't want SuSEconfig to modify the system. With this
# entry you can disable SuSEconfig completely.
# Please don't contact our support if you have trouble configuring your
# system after having disabled SuSEconfig. (yes/no)
#
ENABLE_SUSECONFIG="yes""
You see the problem is people do not take the time to check or ask questions, just assume. By the way, in that file is a ton more options.
Yast is also very modular, but time will tell whether or not it will be taken up by other distro's.
Actually, I doubt other entrenched distro's wll bother, unless market forces force their hand.
Don't know if anyone has actually developed 3rd party modules for Yast, but it seems very possible. Would that mean IBM for instance could place in an administration module into Yast and make it publically available? Was this actually possible before going GPL?
Whilst it removes the main gripe people had about SuSE (the second being ISO's, beyond the live CD) what will this change? I don't see Mandrake, or Redhat ever switching to Yast, why would they?
When you get a new system, please learn how to use it. If something annoys you, find a way to switch it off, or change its behavior.
/etc/sysconfig files directly, you'll love how it streamlines things. That way you will have more time for other things.
/etc/modules.conf for instance, just to watch TV on my Linux box?
Actually, if you change a file directly SuSEconfig can tell that has happened and will not touch it in virtually every case that I did that. But, the best approach is to edit
Why do people insist things are great for newbs when it makes ones life easier, and makes it quicker to get to the point where you want to be. Why should I spend two hours setting up a TV card manually in
"Disclaimer: This is only my experiencew with SuSE. Yours may differ.
:). Gnome is there on 9.0, but we're talking about 9.1 and this time it seems a greater emphasis on Gnome too.
I bought SuSE 9.0 and tried it a few months ago, and must say I didn't particularly care for it.
While they are definately producing one of the most polished distro's available, it deviates from most linux distributions somewhat dramatically; I still don't know how exactly the init system works. (It's not exactly SysV, it's not exactly BSD). "
Got to disagree most vehemently here, its the other distro's that are deviating from the LSB and FHS that are causing you issues. As for init processes, thats the one defined by the LSB (and the same used by RedHat).
"When I used it I had a problem in which it repeatedly would launch the X configurator if I had dual-head enabled. I don't know if that was just me or not."
Never had that issue...
"Everything is tightly integrated in SuSE -- the KDE desktop is pretty amazing, but GNOME support is almost non-existant. Unfortunately, I found the KDE desktop to be pretty slow on my machine (P3 800mhz machine. Slackware with KDE3.1 runs great on it)."
Slackware is assume
"I also found that you HAD to do things SuSE's way -- if there wasn't a button for it in YaST, the SuSE configurator (and generally, there was.. YaST is probably the most comprehensive config tool for Linux), or YaST didn't give you all the options you needed, you couldn't do it yourself because YaST would stomp all over your changes. "
Switch it off then! You can tell Yast not to check or change certain files. Or you can rtfm and know that, like in Apache's case it can usea n external file for certain parameters.
"SuSE is also the most proprietary of Linuxes, and there's not alot of support for it online (again, you can't just update say, package X from a source tarball because SuSE will throw a fit). "
Its usually a dependency fit, and anyway...Depending on the package I tend to uninstall it first then install the update. This has never been an issue.
"It's probably not bad for novice and intermediate computer users; I'd reccomend that experienced users who want a pretty desktop with little hassle use Mandrake."
Bad recommendation, whilst Mandrake is fine SuSE offers many great tools and support that you failed to find or use. Seems like you installed it for a day, expected Slackware (it was originally based on Slackware) and did not bother from there.
Main site is www.x-plane.com there is no mention of the linux version on that page yet, although was mentioned on the news list (via Yahoo).
Just keep an eye on the news sites.
Although more of a Simulation, rather than a "game".
http://www.linuxsimulations.org
Best way to get market share?
:). When parents are shopping to buy a computer for Johnny's school work, Linux maybe impressive to them due to the current lack of games.
Go through the Enterprise first
Of course, once market share picked up games will start appearing more and more.
Really do not see the point of making a gaming distro, like Mandrake did.
So many posters mentioned standards without elaborating. You mean FHS, LSB?
Loki installer is extremely friendly, just launch it, install and go. Even places a nice little icon on the desktop.
Biggest problem with 3D? Newest AGP hosts take too long to be supported. 3D out of the box? Thats a licensing issue, complain to Nvidia/Ati.
The top distro's can run games just fine, its the lack of games thats hurting, and this is an issue with the market share more than anything.
Killer games will come with market share.
That answer someone provided you confused me as well lol. Seemed to do with nothing about your question.
./configure until you're a lot more comfortable with the command line and I rarely use it apart from installing bleeding edge programs.
/usr/local/ that are built from Source. Quite a few times installing from source requires a few more development packages to be installed.
Don't use
KDE has Control Center that has Peripherals that also lists mouse, this is where you can change the mouse tracking speed, make sure to hit apply after each change.
You say your soundcard worked, then say it didn't in the next section as you wanted to install the correct driver?
Are you sure you're not running to the commandline quicker than needed?
Not sure on Mandrake, but most root installed programs end up in
Sometimes you're better off getting Linux as a box set, at least with SuSE you'd get plenty of manuals that show how to use programs and to do installations, the price alone is almost worth it for the manuals alone.
"3. Hate Microsoft"
Hatred of Microsoft? Think they already do hate them, at least thats the impression I get from MacroMedia, but what can they do?
Microsoft is like an Emperor right now, people fear them but with fear comes hate. Should there market falter too much the knives will come out...
All these news stories about MS and there business dealings, particularly concerning SCO are going to make quite a few marginal people rabid hater's of MSFT.
So far ahead on this cool stuff? Are Japanese geeks just better than their Western counterparts?
Or is it because the West, particularly the US is "ahead" litigation wise?
Who actually uses SCO? I mean, not old installs that were being phased out, but new ones?
No, me me me!!!
Hey, why not everyone on Slashdot? And/or LinuxToday?
You can use apt4rpm on SuSE, many do.
Just because its RPM based does not make it the wrong decision, its not like you cannot build from source, for instance.
With regards to the rest of the post, I agree.
I know for a fact that it takes work to open up a SuSE box. Trouble is, when you take something out someone somewhere is going to complain!
"95% of people have an ingrained resistance to killing other people. You have to artificially condition them to get them to shoot at people. Until this was acknowledged after WWII, only about 10% of soldiers actually shot their guns at the ennemy. Modern military (infantry) training is intended to counter that ingrained resistance, and is pretty successful at it - in VietNam, the "shooting rate" was over 90%."
Killing another is an un-natural act for sure, but its more easily overcome in people younger than about 25 in general (yes generalising). Was not acknowledged after WW2? Disagree with that, just look at the Roman army, they did far worse things than any US army has ever done to the enemy. The source you're referring to only acknowledge WW2 onwards and from an entirely US perspective. Also, 90% shoot rate? The US changed from an army of sharp shooters to one of "spray in a general direction of the enemy". How many soldiers from Korea onwards actually saw the enemy they were firing at?
"That's why Western-trained troops regularly trash opponents with similar equipment but different training: a Western-trained 30-man platoon will typically have 27 shooters, while its opponent will most likely have only 3 or 4, giving the Westerners an actual 9:1 fire superiority every other thing being equal."
Logic is flawed here:
1. Shooters: are they actually shooting an enemy they can see? Or shooting into an area where they think the enemy is? Or been told to fire at?
2. Talking about different training, you're either conscripted into an army/war you don't care about, or trained to kill as part of a professional force. No western army has truly been tested against a professional army since at least WW2 (and to some extent Korea and Vietnam).
3. To say its just trashing the enemy leaves out much of what makes a professional army what it is.
"Some games (eg, Doom and its offsprings) operate in a similar fashion to military training/indoctrination, but without the control features inherent to military training, and are thereby dangerous."
You really want to learn the difference that seemed glossed over? Join a real Infantry Battalion as a grunt, not as an officer and see first hand how they break you down first then re-model them into killing machines. Thats something no game can simulate.
Killology is a nice site, but they do at times seem to skim over many points, such as what they mean exactly by shoot rate? Are you counted just by picking up a weapon and firing it? Or by actually seeing the enemy and shooting him? Snipers obviously have to, ever known a real sniper who has been to war? I did, knew him before joining army, during army and during conflict and directly after. Took him a number of years to be less "psycho".
If Darl is Catholic maybe he will do something like this?
"Dear Pope,
Being the CEO of SCO, a Holy Company on a Holy Crusade against the Evil forces of Linux and the GPL can you please ask God to strike them down. Knowing these things can take time, can you please publically ex-communicate these Hippies from the Church".
Hi, I cannot compete against this, a better product that costs less. Please outlaw it as soon as possible. Competition is just so un-american!
Is that what he is saying?
Maybe he was fed up with the innane questions from reporters and wanted to get back to playing TuxRacer!
Scandinavian countries should combine and sue Mythic and Microsoft over use of their Mythology!
This is obviously getting out of hand...
"7. The registry is a frigging nightmare waiting to happen. Its insecure. Its unmanageable."
Nightmare waiting to happen? The nightmare has been upon those who use Windows since Win95...
Believe hearing something about Longhorn not using the registry, but thats guess we have to wait and see on that.
"I can't quite agree with Apple's support being particularly helpful.
Apple's been making a huge push to get businesses (outside of visual design and their other niche markets) to use their products, and I bought into it and recently purchased a 17" PowerBook G4 laptop to use for my consulting work. Since I purchased it (about four months ago,) it has failed twice, necessitating a mainboard replacement each time. However, Apple has no provision for on-site or even at-the-store replacement of notebook parts, so the machine has to be shipped back to a depot for repairs. This process takes at least five days if everything goes perfectly. Five days without my primary business machine is a lot of money gone, plus delays foisted off onto unhappy clients. When I called Apple, they were unable to amelioriate the situation in any fashion (for instance, by providing me with a notebook to use in the meantime,) nor would they consider replacing the unit, despite two complete failures in two months, and they were quite snippy about it to boot."
As previously mentioned, if its not written anywhere that they have a lend-a-computer whilst yours gets fixed then its not there. Do not blame the support people for that because quite frankly they cannot do anything about it. But I am sure they can take down your complaint and it will probably be read by those in management.
"If I had purchased from Dell or Sony, I could have had a repaired or new computer in one or two days. At this point, I'm considering the notebook expendable, and if it breaks again, I'm going to purchase one from a company that can provide business-class support."
When you make a purchase from any company go ahead and ask the questions before hand, maybe even more than once. If you had you would have known what to expect should the computer fail. and can plan accordingly.
This is the same as those people who do not keep backups of critical data, when it fails and the ata is lost they shift the blame around.
StarTux